Whats your advice to the President ??? (on debt ceiling)

QueEx

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In Debt-Ceiling Talks, Why Give Up Anything? Concede Nothing !


After reports surfaced that President Obama is willing to cut tens of billions
of dollars from Medicare and Social Security, as part of a grand bargain in
debt-ceiling talks with Republicans, Democratic leaders swiftly sounded off
against the idea.

Since most people know that the debt limit must be raised, concede
nothing. "The Republicans know that if they don't agree to a deal and let
the debt limit hit, it's going to damage our economy.




Don't blink!


Speaking at the 2011 Aspen Ideas Festival in Colorado, Mr. Clinton also
advised President Obama to hang tough. "The White House could blink," he
said. "I hope that won't happen. I don't think they should blink."



Money Ain't a Thang !


The Artist Formerly Known As Shawn Carter comments on Barack Obama's
biggest problem. Numbers don't lie. Unemployment is pretty high. It's fucked
up, but he's trying not to be the angry black man. Arguably, the situation
would be less dire if Obama had approached the stimulus package with Jay-
Z's advice from "Money Ain't a Thang": "Ya'll shit ain't for real til y'all ship a
mil.'"




Go on Vacation; You & Boehner already agreed to 'Grand Bargain'


Before Thursday, expectations were that a debt limit increase would be tied
to $2 trillion in cuts, without touching entitlement spending (Social Security,
Medicaid, and Medicare). Now, there are some reports that $4 trillion in
deficit reduction may be in the works. In this supposed “grand bargain” with
Republicans, Democrats would agree to reform Social Security, Medicare and
Medicaid, while Republicans would agree to increase revenue by closing tax
loopholes.

The sticking point in negotiations thus far has been that Republicans have
refused to agree to a bill that included revenue increases while Democrats
have refused to agree to a bill that did not include revenue increases.
Democrats have also been reluctant to address the rising costs of Social
Security, Medicare and Medicaid.




If Tea-Pubs won't Cooperate; Use the "C-Bomb"


Use the Constitution!

Growing increasingly pessimistic about the prospects for a deal that would
raise the debt ceiling, Democratic senators are revisiting a solution to the
crisis that rests on a simple proposition: The debt ceiling itself is
unconstitutional.



What is this all about ???


  • Section 4 of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states
    that: "The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by
    law... shall not be questioned,"

  • The so-called 'Debt Ceiling' is a statute passed by Congress - - it does
    not trump the Constitution, i.e., the 14th Amendment.

  • By declaring the debt ceiling unconstitutional, the White House could
    continue to meet its financial obligations, leaving Tea Party-backed
    Republicans in the difficult position of arguing against the plain wording
    of the Constitution (Clarence Thomas' strict constructionist interpretation
    used against him)!

So how would the "constitutional option" work?


  • It's deceptively simple. The government would keep auctioning off
    Treasury securities, as it has been doing, as if the debt limit didn't exist.
    Investors would consider just how much they cared about the
    unprecedented constitutional run-around they'd just watch happen. And
    Republicans would freak out.



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I don't know much about politics so excuse my ignorance but I feel he inherited so much drama and he seems to be trying
I just saw some dude who made a flag that said Obama sucks. I get the freedom of speech thing but feel he could have used a better word living in a neighborhood with kids. I don't like the word sucks. I tell my kids not to use it.
 
If he must raise the debt ceiling he should have the people responsible for the debt indicted. He's failed to hold Wall Street and Big Business accountable and raising the debt seems like a cop out. He is too far into his term to change but he should have made the tough decisions earlier if he did he wouldn't be going thru this now. He's been too compromising with Reps and Business and they are about to make him pay for it.
 
My Fellow Americans, This job is above my pay grade. I submit to the American people my letter of resignation.

Seriously, If you increase it you must reduce entitlement programs and reduce taxes to stimulate the economy. That said, I would focus on reducing payroll taxes for a limited time at least to kick start the economy into gear. Back off of legislation that is scaring those who actually create jobs. Not government jobs!! I mean job creation that is viable enough to fund itself and not on the backs of the American people.

We cannot afford more job loss and horrible job creation in the private sector.

The Dems are simply trying to hold on to the issues that get them elected. If the economy collapses there will be no entitlements period.
 
If he must raise the debt ceiling he should have the people responsible for the debt indicted.

Great suggestion.........................................................................................til he looks in the mirror!
 


What president Obama needs to do is to communicate the truth to the American people. Obama and his entire administration are the worst communicators I have ever seen in the modern presidency.

The BuShit gang was lying their ass off every single day, but they had an aggressive media strategy to propagate their lies. Obama has the indisputable facts and the truth and he and his entire administration are basically curled up into a fetal position as the RepubliKlans step-to-the microphone and lie about what’s going on and take shots at the Obama administration.

Where are the presidents spokespeople? Where is his rapid response team, a strategy that Bill Clinton used when the republiklans would issue daily lies about him? We are in a jobs crisis in the US; has anyone heard or seen Obama’s secretary-of-labor? Why is the vice-president muzzled? How effective can secretary-of-the-treasury Geithner be when he already has one foot out the door looking for a job in the private sector?

The debt ceiling was raised seven times during the BuShit administration, a period of time when BuShit almost tripled the US debt. There was barely a mention of the debt ceiling being raised under BuShit in the media or in our national discourse.

Obama needs to realize that with the republiklans you are dealing with the overworld mafia. That’s who they represent only, the oligarchs, the largest and wealthiest individuals and businesses in the nation. Bill Clinton and Hilary and adviser James Carville & others in that crew understood this and realized that you have to figuratively ‘punch these people in the nose’ — not try to appease, cut one sided deals, and make friends with them.

Obama needs to read that old book by Robert Ringer “Winning Through Intimidation" , in fact I recommend it to any of you peeps who haven’t read it. The republiklans represent Type Number One as outlined in the book. They Want All The Chips!!!!!!!!!!!!

Watch all the videos below, starting with the ones starring one of the richest men in the world Warren Buffett. Listen to the unassailable facts presented in the videos — and then ask yourself “Damn, why can’t anyone in the Obama camp lay out the facts the way these guys simply do in these videos”???????


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Blame the Chinese for loaning us all that money, they are predatory lenders! They know we can't pay that money back.
 
Great suggestion.........................................................................................til he looks in the mirror!

A better comparison is the economy and the Black single woman working 2 jobs to support her kids only to sink deeper in debt it makes you wonder if for the average person capitialism is really about debt and poverty.
 
My Fellow Americans, This job is above my pay grade. I submit to the American people my letter of resignation.

Seriously, If you increase it you must reduce entitlement programs and reduce taxes to stimulate the economy. That said, I would focus on reducing payroll taxes for a limited time at least to kick start the economy into gear. Back off of legislation that is scaring those who actually create jobs. Not government jobs!! I mean job creation that is viable enough to fund itself and not on the backs of the American people.

We cannot afford more job loss and horrible job creation in the private sector.

The Dems are simply trying to hold on to the issues that get them elected. If the economy collapses there will be no entitlements period.

Increase debt and reduce governtment income by reducing taxes...?
I don't think that will work.:confused:

Has there been an example where tax cuts have increased jobs?
I've heard this mantra chanted many times, but am not sure as when it has actually worked.
 
A better comparison is the economy and the Black single woman working 2 jobs to support her kids only to sink deeper in debt it makes you wonder if for the average person capitialism is really about debt and poverty.

here we go! So you gon blame this on capitalism, free markets? :smh:

We got money for wars but can't feed the poor...........2-Pac "Keep Ya Head Up"

The U.S. is in 6 Wars now, War is the enemy of the poor!
1) Iraq
2) Afghanistan
3) Pakistan
4) Yemen
5) Libya
6) Somalia
 
here we go! So you gon blame this on capitalism, free markets? :smh:



The U.S. is in 6 Wars now, War is the enemy of the poor!
1) Iraq
2) Afghanistan
3) Pakistan
4) Yemen
5) Libya
6) Somalia


So if there were no wars everything would be ok? There wouldn't be any poverty. Aren't wars part of expanding markets, are we not fighting in the Middle East for oil and capitialism. The idea of free markets sounds great but the money to start any business goes back to a single source, the banks, that means they decide who wins and markets are not free thats why there's money for wars but none to feed the poor.
 
Obama should just keep appearing to be the most reasonable person in D. C. , but make it clear, as he has, that the rich need to pay back some of that cash they have bogarted from us in the form of taxes. Be prepared to default, however, and blame it on those totally unreasonable GOP freshman and the silly muhfuhkahs that are scared of them. But, let it expire and see how they start hollering when those constituents with T Bills stop getting paid.


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So if there were no wars everything would be ok?

it would be a hell of a lot better than it is now

There wouldn't be any poverty. Aren't wars part of expanding markets, are we not fighting in the Middle East for oil and capitialism.

the wars are unconstitutional because there was no formal declaration of War made by Congress, research it! So, who started the wars? Bush, followed by Obama (unilaterally, I might add)

The idea of free markets sounds great but the money to start any business goes back to a single source, the banks, that means they decide who wins and markets are not free thats why there's money for wars but none to feed the poor.

observation 1) banks finance the Wars that exist today, it's obvious the taxpayer cannot afford this militarism. How do they finance it? They just print more money, it's counterfeit. This is the base of power for the whole establishment AND the reason Gold & silver are skyrocketing (people are loosing faith in fiat currencies NOT JUST HERE, BUT ALL AROUND THE WORLD)

observation 2) you admit there is no free market in the U.S. which I agree with. So.................How can we blame the free market for our problems when it doesn't even exist?
 
it would be a hell of a lot better than it is now



the wars are unconstitutional because there was no formal declaration of War made by Congress, research it! So, who started the wars? Bush, followed by Obama (unilaterally, I might add)



observation 1) banks finance the Wars that exist today, it's obvious the taxpayer cannot afford this militarism. How do they finance it? They just print more money, it's counterfeit. This is the base of power for the whole establishment AND the reason Gold & silver are skyrocketing (people are loosing faith in fiat currencies NOT JUST HERE, BUT ALL AROUND THE WORLD)

observation 2) you admit there is no free market in the U.S. which I agree with. So.................How can we blame the free market for our problems when it doesn't even exist?


Cmon...it took you almost a week to respond I expect something like that from Upgrade but not you. To recap your argument seemed to be that the markets are not to blame for the economy but it's the six wars in the Middle East all I'm saying is the wars, the economy and the market are part of a whole we call capitalism.
 
Cmon...it took you almost a week to respond I expect something like that from Upgrade but not you.

C'mon Nittie, you & U-Dave go at it. (classic)

To recap your argument seemed to be that the markets are not to blame for the economy but it's the six wars in the Middle East all I'm saying is the wars, the economy and the market are part of a whole we call capitalism.

I, respectfully, disagree with your interpretation!

Capitalism as defined by Merriam-Webster:

an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

What many fail to accept / realize, is that Wars are in instrument to impose its will on another nation, state or even a group of people. And when you impose your will, or force people to operate under certain conditions, it stands on the opposite end of the spectrum in relationship to "free markets". So, I still agree with you in your admission that there are no free markets. This is some sort of facism but your cannot blame these problems on 'free market capitalism'

Wars are simply a failure in diplomacy and counter-productive to a free society (that was my condensed version of why War is the enemy of the poor, but MLK has a more eloquent interpretation)!

Examine the loss of our economic freedoms, right here at home, to understand the impact of these continuous "unconstitutional" Wars.

Think about it Nittie, the first thing that was threatened was Social Security payments! Why wouldn't the Wars cease? Who is he really working for?

My advice to the Pres would be to End the Wars NOW.
 
C'mon Nittie, you & U-Dave go at it. (classic)



I, respectfully, disagree with your interpretation!

Capitalism as defined by Merriam-Webster:



What many fail to accept / realize, is that Wars are in instrument to impose its will on another nation, state or even a group of people. And when you impose your will, or force people to operate under certain conditions, it stands on the opposite end of the spectrum in relationship to "free markets". So, I still agree with you in your admission that there are no free markets. This is some sort of facism but your cannot blame these problems on 'free market capitalism'

Wars are simply a failure in diplomacy and counter-productive to a free society (that was my condensed version of why War is the enemy of the poor, but MLK has a more eloquent interpretation)!

Examine the loss of our economic freedoms, right here at home, to understand the impact of these continuous "unconstitutional" Wars.

Think about it Nittie, the first thing that was threatened was Social Security payments! Why wouldn't the Wars cease? Who is he really working for?

My advice to the Pres would be to End the Wars NOW.


Your argument is correct if you go by the clinical definitions of war, free markets or capitalism. But the U.S has never practiced what it preaches. From slavery in a free nation to invading Iraq on false info the hypocrisy is evident and overwhelming. The free market is on the verge of collapse because bankers tried to rig it. President Obama will not indict them because he believes it will hurt the economy by spooking the markets. What kind of logic is that, he's basically saying those people are above the law. Hank Paulson said the same thing when all this started so in essence the truth about the free market is coming to light, it never existed it's a illusion used by the super rich to keep people distracted and working for them. Wars are part of the act can you name one war in the last 100 years that couldn't have been avoid if it wasn't for business interest.
 
All I know, I don't wanna hear shit about how congress got us in this. Obama had 2 years prior to work his magic. This situation is solely on his administration for NOT dealing with the budget, and spending.

I'm going to say this, and not apologize. The people really believing the shit Obama is spewing is over emotional people, and rather dumb folks. If you look at things as they are, you will see that things are turning to the worst.

Lets be real, Obama was elected to FIX THE ECONOMY. He was suppose to change the things Bush supposedly did, and he "hasn't". When I said that the Democratic congress is the reason we are in this, no one wanted to hear me. So, guess fucking what, don't blame the republicans. Take responsibility if you think you are an adult.

To answer Que's question, Obama needs to cut everything 5% at least, cut capital gains down to 15%-ish, and reform Obamacare. That would get him reelected.

He's not going to do it because he fears the far-left then getting reelected. Yet, everyone wants to call black tea party members "uncle tom's". I guess being scared of White liberal elitist is in style huh?

GTFOH! :angry::angry:
 
It is just advice in general...

The wealthy will make a ton of money after the rating agency downgrade the debt of the U.S., causing the interest rates to rise. When the wealthy park their money in treasuries, they will make much more money from this psuedo default. It is like getting a car loan, where the bank uses one missed payment to jackup your interest rates to astronomical levels. They want to convince you that your are a bad credit risk when you are not to make more money off of you.

However, there is money to pay, too many tax cuts being given, limiting the government ability to pay its bills. Foreign countries that loan money will make more money, that the taxpayer will have to pay.

It is win win for Republicans, the wealthy get higher return on their money (another tax break for the wealthy), and the government will be limited in sustaining entitlement programs.

The government is being put into a sub-prime loan even though it qualifies for a prime loan...

LOL

Infrastructure projects that will benefits multiple generations the government should borrow money, to prevent one generation from carrying all the burden with higher taxes.
 
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All I know, I don't wanna hear shit about how congress got us in this.


Well, here's some more shit you don't like to hear: Facts.

Some might favor your positions and some will not. Take
full advantage of them and incorporate them as liberally
as possible into your arguments. (And, don't be afraid of
the term liberally. It won't bite and could actually help).




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All I know, <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">I don't wanna hear shit</span> about how congress got us in this . . .

I'm going to say this, and not apologize. The people really believing the shit Obama is spewing is over emotional people, and rather dumb folks. If you look at things as they are, you will see that things are turning to the worst.

So, guess fucking what, don't blame the republicans.

And, here's more shit I know <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">you don't wanna hear</span> . . .






The overwhelming majority of voters --
<SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">even most GOP Voters</span> -- <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">disapprove of the way
Republicans are handling the debt ceiling crisis</span>
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p o l i t i c o
By JENNIFER EPSTEIN
July 18, 2011


President Barack Obama is winning the battle for public opinion in the negotiations to raise the debt ceiling, with the overwhelming majority disapproving of the way Republicans are handling it - even most GOP voters, according to a new poll on Monday.


  • 71% of Americans surveyed for a CBS News poll released Monday morning say they oppose how Republicans are handling negotiations;

  • While just 21 percent of Americans say they approve how Republicans are handling negotiations.

In contrast,

  • 48 percent of Americans disapprove of the president’s role in the talks,

  • While 43 percent of Americans approve of the president's role.


Americans are closely divided, though, over whether the negotiations are necessary. Forty percent of those surveyed say they think the Obama administration’s warnings about the dangers of defaulting on government debt are valid, while 36 percent say the administration is trying to scare Americans.

Nonetheless, 66 percent say they think a deal will be reached before the formal August 2 deadline set by the Treasury Department, while 31 percent say a deal seems unlikely.

The poll was conducted July 15-17 and surveyed 810 adults. The error margin is plus or minus four percentage points.






http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/59244.html


 
There shouldn't be a deal. Debt limits shouldn't be raised. Inflation accounts for some of the rise in spending but the rest is pork and pet projects. 10 billion a month in Afghanistan, billions in aid to China gtfoh. When the average American can eliminate their debt thru a stoke of the pen then the govt can do it until then they should be held accountable it's the only way we will get rid of that priviledged class of fuckups.
 
no deal...

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These are some great times for the hungry graduate student that wants to truly understand the nature of negotiations and how things really work. The tactics, strategy, positioning, interviews, and poker face games most politicians are delivering have made me more intrigued and a better business man. Also, I thank each and every one of you that contributes your theoretical perspective, facts, as well as optical illusions of what's taking place. Again, thank you.

Oh and my advice to the President. Don't cave. Stand your ground. I've been waiting for him to do that since the primaries. I was surprised to see him get upset and call Cantor out, but it seems like President Obama is the type that wants to have discussions about his point of view and bring everyone together. I subscribed to the quote from the movie "The Dark Knight", "Some men just want to watch the world burn." The Republican party represent the "Joker/s"...
 
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A Recent Poll

With an August 2nd deadline for raising the debt limit nearing, a new survey shows most people believe the best way to resolve the US debt crisis is 'to end wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.'

About 7,423 out of 9,244 respondents to a Press TV poll believe “ending war in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya and reducing military spending” is the best way for the US to reduce its 14-trillion-dollar debt.

A total of eight percent said the best resolution was for the US to default on its debt, and 2.9 percent of the respondents believe Washington could get loans from foreign banks or governments to bailout its economy.

The US officially hit its 14.3-trillion-dollar debt ceiling on May 16, up from 10.6-trillion-dollar when Barack Obama took office in 2009.
 
A Recent Poll

With an August 2nd deadline for raising the debt limit nearing, a new survey shows most people believe the best way to resolve the US debt crisis is 'to end wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.'

About 7,423 out of 9,244 respondents to a Press TV poll believe “ending war in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya and reducing military spending” is the best way for the US to reduce its 14-trillion-dollar debt.

A total of eight percent said the best resolution was for the US to default on its debt, and 2.9 percent of the respondents believe Washington could get loans from foreign banks or governments to bailout its economy.

The US officially hit its 14.3-trillion-dollar debt ceiling on May 16, up from 10.6-trillion-dollar when Barack Obama took office in 2009.

Yep!

Also, since you are in to justifying your arguments with poll resilts...

A Recent Poll:

Americans agree: The rich should pay higher taxes


NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Hey, rich folks! The American people are putting you on notice. They want you to pay higher taxes.

Two new polls suggest there is broad support for raising taxes on households making more than $250,000 a year, and all in the name of deficit reduction.

Heck, even a majority of Republicans want the rich to pay more.

A full 72% of adults approve of increasing federal taxes on households making more than $250,000 starting in 2013, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

Fifty-five percent of Republicans want the tax hike, along with 74% of independents and 83% of Democrats.

In case you need more convincing, an ABC News/Washington Post poll released Wednesday asked a similar question. The results: Seventy-two percent of respondents want to raise taxes on the rich to help reduce the deficit, with a similar breakdown by political party.

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That extension runs through the end of 2012, so any fiddling with tax rates will be preceded by that year's presidential election. Given the issue's potential for red-hot political rhetoric, it's sure to be discussed.

But is raising taxes on the rich the best way to cut the deficit? Not really. It could be part of a larger set of measures, but on its own, wouldn't raise all that much revenue.

Why? There just aren't that many rich people out there.

Hiking everyone's tax rate by 1 percentage point would yield an additional $480 billion over 10 years. By contrast, raising the top two tax rates by 1 percentage point would yield just $115 billion.

If Obama got his way, taxes would go up on individuals making at least $200,000 and couples making $250,000 and up. That would reduce deficits by just under $1 trillion over 10 years.

Unfortunately, this year's deficit alone is expected to hit about $1.5 trillion.

So any real deficit reduction will have to include other measures. However, the polls have some bad news on that front.

Americans are sharply divided on whether they would accept reductions in Medicare or military spending, and whether they are willing to see their taxes go up in the name of deficit reduction.
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Economic illiteracy has always been rampant among all Americans regardless of political party affiliation, race, gender, age, or religion. When you are a kid you see your father or mother or other household member “go to work”. You ask, what is work? You are told “it’s a job”; your mommy says ”daddy goes to work to make money so we can buy food, clothes & have this place to live”. You don’t really understand it all as a little kid, but you figure when I grow up I’ll figure-it-out.

Well most people never figure it out. They never even try to figure it out. They are too busy going about their lives, working on their jobs. They eventually just from life experience understand how their local economy works. If the local steel mill closes down in their city there are fewer jobs. Easy to understand. But, when you start talking about macro-economics— who are the people in New York City (the banksters) who decided not to fund the steel mill & why are they denying the money? — most people’s brains just freeze.

This economic ignorance today (2011), is more pervasive than any time since the early 1930’s. When the great depression banksters of the 1930’s destroyed the economy back then, people woke–up as it was revealed how their crimes were committed.

Today’s banksters have survived the economic ruins they created, intact, and with more power than ever. Not one of them has gone to jail! In the 1980’s S&L (savings & loans) fraud, over 1,000 banksters went to jail.

Today’s economic illiteracy is on display as we watch this kabuki theater over the raising of the United States’ credit card limit. RepubliKlans tell their brain-addled followers that the US must run it’s finances like the typical American household. Absolute buffoonery and a bald-face lie! How do they get away with it? Easy, most Americans have no-clue about macro-economics.

The United States of America is NOT a household, balancing its grocery list against its electric bill, cable bill and rent/ mortgage payment. The United States is a nation state empire. It has been the premier nation state empire on the planet earth since 1945. Militarily, financially, technologically, educationally, innovationally ; the United States is the leader. Are we declining as an empire? Yes, we are no longer light years ahead of everyone else on the planet, but we are still the leader. Dependent on what policies are undertaken over the next decade we will either remain as a dynamic democratic republic or we will deteriorate into a third-world country with the best entertainment money can buy and 10,000 plus nuclear missiles it can never use.

In order for tea-baggers and RepubliKlans to understand that the United States of America is NOT a typical American household, I recommend that they sit down in front of a computer and demonstrate proficiency with the computer game SimCity 4. This is what I do with my nieces and nephews for them to start understanding basic macro-economics.

The United States lost three trillion dollar ($3,000,000,000,000) in revenue over the last ten years due to BuShits tax cuts of 2001 and 2003.



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When you look below at a simple revenue in/ revenue out chart of the United States’ finances from the federal reserve, you can graphically see the cumulative (2001 & 2003) three trillion dollar ($3,000,000,000,000) hole BuShit punched into the United States of America’s finances.

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In 2003, during a white house conference discussing the proposed 2003 tax cuts, even dimwit baby bush said to cheney in the meetings as outlined in former treasury secretary Paul O'Neill’s book "Haven't we already given money to rich people? referring to the 2001 tax cuts-
Cheney replied: ""We won the midterms (2002 congressional elections). this is our due."

Look at the chart above, you can see the Clinton surplus (when the green line is above the red line) that the BuShits destroyed with the 2001 & 2003 tax cuts.

Add to the disastrous tax cuts, three trillion dollars $3,000,000,000,000 for wars, an unpaid for prescription drug program and you see in 2007 government revenues (money coming in) fell of a cliff and the US economy plummeted into a great recession.

What did the autopsy report conclude about job creation during 8 years of BuShit? Let’s get our answer from that socialist- Marxist newspaper owned by that communist who also owns <s>FOX</s> FAKE News, named Rupert Murdoch – The Wall Street Journal
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Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record

The communist manifesto journal article points out that BuShit created 3 Millions jobs over eight years, Clinton created 23 Million jobs

Look at the chart in Jan. 2009 when Obama took over. What a huge gap (deficit) BuShit handed to him! Remember that NOT ONE RepubliKlan in the house voted for the 880 Billion stimulus plan; not one. In the senate Obama got a couple RepubliKlan votes.

In Jan. 2009 with the huge gaping hole between revenue in/ revenue out that you see in the federal reserve chat above

What was the RepubliKlan plan to fill that hole? More tax cuts!!! That was Boehner & Cantors plan at the time. They were so insistent on more tax cuts that the 880 Billion Obama got passed was one-third tax cuts; which in hindsight was dumb.

Now we have President Obama stating the unassailable truth that taxes for the affluent, rich, & super rich are at a 55 year low and that the top tax bracket for personal income should go back to Clinton era 39% and that capital gains taxes should go from 15% back to 20% and the RepubliKlan response is FUCK YOU , they want more tax cuts (paul ryan’s plan which every just about every RepubliKlan voted for cuts the top rate down to 25%)

Here is the RepubliKlan position. I have this huge debt. So rather than increase some taxes, (make more money) I'm only going to take a pay cut. (more tax cuts & spending cuts) That should fix everything.

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So now we have this kabuki theater over the debt ceiling. Look at the chart above. You can see who ran up the debt. Now we have a jobs crisis and the RepubliKlans want to savagely cut government spending and increase NO taxes. That will work they say to fix the economy. What asses! There is NO FUCKING DEMAND in the US economy. Walmart has had eight consecutive quarters of NEGATIVE US growth. Cutting government spending and laying off more government workers will further decrease demand- because – if you have NO FUCKING JOB- you can’t go to WalMart.

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Furthermore millions more Americans who are barely hanging on economically are about to lose their lifelines; see the chart above.

<blockquote> Close to $2 of every $10 that went into Americans’ wallets last year were payments like jobless benefits, food stamps, Social Security and disability, according to an analysis by Moody’s Analytics. By the end of this year, however, many of those dollars are going to disappear, with the expiration of extended benefits intended to help people cope with the lingering effects of the recession. Moody’s Analytics estimates $37 billion will be drained from the nation’s pocketbooks this year.
READ!!! - Economy Faces a Jolt as Benefit Checks Run Out
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Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending; No Taxes, No Taxes, No Taxes, the RepubliKlans say.

It is obvious that they want to crash the weak US economy down to it’s ankles as long as their constituents are either not affected or are too dumb to realize they are being fucked.

Lastly, what does Bill Gross, the man who manages the largest single pool of money on the planet earth, over $1,000,000,000,000 think the US should do about the jobs crisis?

He says :<blockquote>
Both parties, in fact, are moving to anti-Keynesian policy orientations, which deny additional stimulus and make rather awkward and unsubstantiated claims that if you balance the budget, “they will come.” It is envisioned that corporations or investors will somehow overnight be attracted to the revived competitiveness of the U.S. labor market: Politicians feel that fiscal conservatism equates to job growth. It's difficult to believe… Immediately, however, government must take a leading role in job creation. Conservative or even liberal agendas that cede responsibility for job creation to the private sector over the next few years are simply dazed or perhaps crazed. The private sector is the source of long-term job creation but in the short term, no rational observer can believe that global or even small businesses will invest here when the labor over there (overseas) is so much cheaper. That is why trillions of dollars of corporate cash rest impotently on balance sheets awaiting global – non-U.S. – investment opportunities. Government must temporarily assume a bigger, not a smaller, role in this economy, if only because other countries are dominating job creation with kick-start policies that eventually dominate global markets.
READ!!! - Bill Gross: How to fix the fractured U.S. job market</blockquote>

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Look at the chart above from the federal reserve. You have to go back to 1983 to have such a small percentage of Americans working. Don't correlate the numbers from the 1940's, 1950's, 1960's, and early 1970's with today. Back then women were mostly stay at home moms so that's why the percentages were lower.


 
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As the “media-of-mass-distraction” continues to breathlessly propagandize the American ‘sheeple’ into a frenzy over this “debt-ceiling” farce crisis event, with a countdown clock chyron, on TV screens ticking down to the mythical default day — commentators who can expose this entire sham for what-it-is, bullshit, are not given access to the corporate media’s telescreens.

Former Reagan administration, assistant treasury secretary Paul Craig Roberts explodes the incessant lies that the corporate media and talking heads continually nauseatingly chatter about 24/7. You won’t see Mr. Roberts on CNN, <s>FOX</s> FAKE, MSNBC/ NBC, ABC, CBS. He’s not permitted! — we’ve got to hear what Michelle Bachman or Jim DeMint or Ron Paul or Grover Norquist has to say.


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The Enemy Is Washington

An Economy Destroyed

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by Paul Craig Roberts

The Honorable Dr. Paul Craig Roberts was appointed by President Reagan Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury and confirmed by the US Senate. He was Associate Editor and columnist with the Wall Street Journal, and he served on the personal staffs of Representative Jack Kemp and Senator Orrin Hatch. He was staff associate of the House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, staff associate of the Joint Economic Committee of Congress, and Chief Economist, Republican Staff, House Budget Committee. He wrote the Kemp-Roth tax rate reduction bill, and was a leader in the supply-side revolution. He was professor of economics in six universities, and is the author of numerous books and scholarly contributions. He has testified before committees of Congress on 30 occasions.

July 21, 2011


http://www.vdare.com/roberts/110721_enemy.htm

<br>Recently, the bond rating agencies that gave junk derivatives triple-A ratings threatened to downgrade US Treasury bonds if the White House and Congress did not reach a deficit reduction deal and debt ceiling increase. <SPAN STYLE="background-color:YELLOW"><b>The downgrade threat is not credible, and neither is the default threat. Both are make-believe crises that are being hyped in order to force cutbacks in Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.</b></span>
<br>If the rating agencies downgraded Treasuries, the company executives would be arrested for the fraudulent ratings that they gave to the junk that Wall Street peddled to the rest of the world. The companies would be destroyed and their ratings discredited. <SPAN STYLE="background-color:YELLOW"><b>The US government will never default on its bonds, because the bonds, unlike those of Greece, Spain, and Ireland, are payable in its own currency. Regardless of whether the debt ceiling is raised, the Federal Reserve will continue to purchase the Treasury’s debt. If Goldman Sachs is too big to fail, then so is the US government.</b></span>
<br>There is no budget focus on the illegal wars and military occupations that the US government has underway in at least six countries or the 66-year old US occupations of Japan and Germany and the ring of military bases being constructed around Russia.
<br>The total military/security budget is in the vicinity of $1.1-$1.2 trillion, or 70% -75% of the federal budget deficit.
<br>In contrast, Social Security is solvent. Medicare expenditures are coming close to exceeding the 2.3% payroll tax that funds Medicare, but <SPAN STYLE="background-color:YELLOW"><b>it is dishonest for politicians and pundits to blame the US budget deficit on &quot;entitlement programs.&quot;</b></span>
<br>Entitlements are funded with a payroll tax. Wars are not funded. The criminal Bush regime lied to Americans and claimed that the Iraq war would only cost $70 billion at the most and would be paid for with Iraq oil revenues. When Bush’s chief economic advisor, Larry Lindsey, said the Iraq invasion would cost $200 billion, the White House Moron fired him. In fact, Lindsay was off by a factor of 20. Economic and budget experts have calculated that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have consumed $4,000 billion in out-of-pocket and already incurred future costs. In other words, the ongoing wars and occupations have already eaten up the $4 trillion by which Obama hopes to cut federal spending over the next ten years. Bomb now, pay later.
<br>As taxing the rich is not part of the political solution, the focus is on rewarding the insurance companies by privatizing Medicare at some future date with government subsidized insurance premiums, by capping Medicaid, and by loading the diminishing middle class with additional Social Security tax.
<br>Washington’s priorities and those of its presstitutes could not be clearer. President Obama, like George W. Bush before him, both parties in Congress, the print and TV media, and National Public Radio have made it clear that war is a far more important priority than health care and old age pensions for Americans.
<br><SPAN STYLE="background-color:YELLOW"><b>The American people and their wants and needs are not represented in Washington. Washington serves powerful interest groups, such as the military/security complex, Wall Street and the banksters, agribusiness, the oil companies, the insurance companies, pharmaceuticals, and the mining and timber industries. Washington endows these interests with excess profits by committing war crimes and terrorizing foreign populations with bombs, drones, and invasions, by deregulating the financial sector and bailing it out of its greed-driven mistakes after it has stolen Americans’ pensions, homes, and jobs, by refusing to protect the land, air, water, oceans and wildlife from polluters and despoilers, and by constructing a health care system with the highest costs and highest profits in the world.</b></span>
<br><b>The way to reduce health care costs is to take out gobs of costs and profits with a single payer system.</b> A private health care system can continue to operate alongside for those who can afford it.
<br>The way to get the budget under control is to stop the gratuitous hegemonic wars, wars that will end in a nuclear confrontation.
<br><SPAN STYLE="background-color:YELLOW"><b>The US economy is in a deepening recession from which recovery is not possible, because American middle class jobs in manufacturing and professional services have been offshored and given to foreigners.</b></span> US GDP, consumer purchasing power, and tax base have been handed over to China, India, and Indonesia in order that Wall Street, shareholders, and corporate CEOs can earn more.
<br>When the goods and services produced offshore come back into America, they arrive as imports. The trade balance worsens, the US dollar declines further in exchange value, and prices rise for Americans, whose incomes are stagnant or falling.
<br><SPAN STYLE="background-color:YELLOW"><b>This is economic destruction. It always occurs when an oligarchy seizes control of a government.</b></span> The short-run profits of the powerful are maximized at the expense of the viability of the economy.
<br><SPAN STYLE="background-color:YELLOW"><b>The US economy is driven by CONSUMER DEMAND, but with 22.3% unemployment, stagnant and declining wages and salaries, and consumer debt burdens so high that consumers cannot borrow to spend, there is nothing to drive the economy.</B></SPAN>
<br>Washington’s response to this dilemma is <em>to increase the austerity!</em> Cutting back Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, forcing down wages by destroying unions and offshoring jobs (which results in a labor surplus and lower wages), and driving up the prices of food and energy by depreciating the dollar further erodes consumer purchasing power. <SPAN STYLE="background-color:YELLOW"><b>The Federal Reserve can print money to rescue the crooked financial institutions, but it cannot rescue the American consumer.</B></SPAN>
<br>As a final point, confront the fact that you are even lied to about <strong>&quot;deficit reduction.&quot;</strong> Even if Obama gets his $4 trillion <strong>&quot;deficit reduction&quot;</strong> over the next decade, it does not mean that the current national debt will be $4 trillion less than it currently is. The <strong>&quot;reduction&quot;</strong> merely means that the <em>growth </em>in the national debt will be $4 trillion less than otherwise. Regardless of any <strong> &quot;deficit reduction,&quot;</strong> the national debt ten years from now will be much higher than it presently is.

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The TRUTH About Who Really Owns All Of America's Debt #1 -#19

Source US Treasury


READ-Who Really Owns All Of America's Debt
 
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If there is no deal on raising the debt ceiling



If the impasse over the U.S. debt limit is not broken soon, President
Barack Obama will be forced to decide how he will manage the crisis.



The United States is drifting closer to a credit rating downgrade and default as Obama's Democrats and their Republican rivals work on competing plans to cut spending and raise the debt ceiling.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and a small team of his aides have worked on contingency plans should Congress fail to raise the U.S. borrowing limit by an August 2 deadline.

Officials said on Wednesday the Treasury will lay out a plan in the next few days about how the government will operate if it appears Congress may miss the deadline.

The administration has said little in public about its plans and there is disagreement among private-sector experts on the feasibility of some of the options. A number of them are complicated and could provoke a political backlash.

Even if the administration were to implement some of the options, the debt crisis could still trigger turmoil in financial markets, sending the dollar lower, U.S. interest rates higher and putting the economy at risk.

Here is a look at the steps Obama could consider:

  • SALE OF ASSETS

    Treasury could consider selling off some of the government's assets, including holdings of gold and mortgage-backed securities.

    U.S. officials say this option has major drawbacks because it would show the world the United States is having difficulty honoring its obligations. These officials say the government might also have to accept fire-sale prices for the assets and that the sales likely would not buy much time.


  • 14TH AMENDMENT

    Some legal scholars see a possible trump card for Obama in a provision of the Constitution that says the United States' public debt "shall not be questioned."

    Those scholars contend the 14th Amendment clause would give Obama the right to bypass Congress and raise the debt limit on his own.

    Other legal experts believe Obama does not have the authority to ignore the cap on borrowing set by Congress. Obama administration officials have said they do not see the 14th Amendment clause as a solution to the impasse.

    "I have talked to my lawyers," Obama said on Friday when asked about the option at a town hall forum. "They are not persuaded that that is a winning argument."

    Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said on Sunday that bypassing Congress was "not a workable option" to avoid a default crisis.

    On Tuesday, Obama's spokesman, Jay Carney, issued the strongest denial so far that it could be used. "The Constitution makes clear that Congress has the authority, not the president, to borrow money and only Congress can increase the statutory debt ceiling," he said.


  • PRIORITIZING PAYMENTS

    If the Treasury decides that neither an asset sale nor the use of the 14th Amendment are workable, it could look at delaying some payments to recipients of government benefits, government employees, outside contractors or other parties to ensure it has enough cash on hand to keep paying interest on its debts.

    The Treasury will collect $172 billion in revenue in August. Without fresh borrowing, that would cover only 45 percent of the $306 billion in payments the government is scheduled to make next month, according to the Bipartisan Policy Center think tank.

    Some conservative Republicans have suggested Treasury could manage a default by shutting down many government services and putting a priority on debt payments. Geithner has dismissed this as unworkable.

    If talks with congressional leaders on the debt ceiling fail, one big decision Obama would face would be what to do about a $49 billion Social Security payment scheduled to go out on August 3.

    Obama has warned that Social Security payments could be at risk without an increase in the debt limit.

    Changing the dates of the 80 million payments the government makes every month would also be complicated because the payments are automated so computers would need to be reprogrammed.


  • ENLISTING HELP OF THE FED

    In a sign that financial authorities were coordinating closely on the unfolding debt drama, Geithner met on Friday with Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and New York Federal Reserve Bank President William Dudley.

    Philadelphia Fed President Charles Plosser told Reuters the U.S. central bank, which acts as the Treasury's broker in financial markets, could not step in and borrow money on the Treasury's behalf. He said that would amount to conducting fiscal policy, which is not part of the Fed's mandate.

    But the Fed might need to become involved in some operational issues since it clears checks for the government for everyone from Social Security recipients to federal workers.

    Plosser said issues that would need to be looked at include: "How the Fed is going to go about clearing government checks? Which ones are going to be good? Which ones are not going to be good?"

    Because the New York Fed is regularly in close contact with financial market participants, the central bank would also play a crucial role in monitoring the market reaction if a default or U.S. credit downgrade were to spark a panic among investors. The central bank played a similar role during the 2008 financial meltdown following the collapse of Lehman Brothers.




http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/28/us-usa-debt-options-idUSTRE76R0AV20110728


 
The debt-ceiling deal: Winners and losers

http://www.washingtonpost.com/


Chris Cillizza

The debt-ceiling deal: Winners and losers

By Chris Cillizza, Published: July 31

The debt ceiling fight is over. The White House and congressional leaders have settled on a deal to raise the nation’s debt ceiling, enact immediate spending cuts and, our favorite part, create a super-commission designed to trim the federal budget further by the end of the year.

The political stakes for this fight were massive — and it produced a number of winners and losers. Our take on the best and the worst is below.


President Barack Obama says a deal has been reached to raise the government's debt ceiling and avoid a default. He said the deal includes more than $2 trillion in gradual spending cuts and no initial cuts to Social Security and Medicare. (July 31)
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A look at what the Democrats and Republicans wanted and what they got in the deal.

Winners :D

Mitch McConnell: The Kentucky Republican was like the Mariano Rivera of the debt deal. He waited until the game was in its final moments, came onto the field and helped close things down (in a good way). McConnell was also a voice of reason and frankness for Republicans, making clear that default would be a huge political loser for the party. In the end, he got a deal the way he wanted one — with him at the center of negotiations.

Tea party: There were major questions coming into the 112th Congress about who would blink first — the largely establishment-aligned leaders of the new Republican House majority or the tea-party-aligned freshman members. We got our answer to that question late Thursday as House Speaker John Boehner was forced not only to postpone his compromise bill but ultimately to add conservative sweeteners to get the 217 votes he needed. (He got 218.) The tea party — inside and outside Congress — will almost certainly be emboldened by the result of this fight.:D

President Obama: The president needed a deal of some sort to prove that he was capable of making the government work — even if it took until the eleventh (and a half) hour to strike the compromise. Liberals are likely to be deeply unhappy about the nature of the deal, which includes no increases in taxes or revenue. But remember that Obama’s target constituency in 2012 is not his base but rather independent and moderate voters. And those fence-sitters love compromise in almost any form.

Congressional Budget Office: The CBO is largely the redoubt of fiscal policy nerds — and we say that with the greatest respect. But for the past week of negotiations, the CBO was a central player — particularly when Boehner’s proposal came in under its proposed savings. Now that a deal appears to be done, the CBO will return to its relative anonymity (until the next budget fight).

Grover Norquist: With no revenue increases in the final deal, Norquist, the head of Americans for Tax Reform, appears to have held the line. His pledge — signed by hundreds of House members — not to raise taxes or revenue remains intact, as does his reputation as a “do not cross” member of the GOP establishment.

David Wu : Has a member of Congress forced to resign amid a sex scandal ever drawn less media attention? Somewhere, Anthony Weiner is grimacing.

Losers

Congress: Coming into this debt-ceiling showdown, Congress was about as popular as poison ivy. One can only imagine just how much further that discontent has spread after this high-profile demonstration of brinkmanship and intransigence. Lawmakers — bless their hearts — seem entirely unaware of just how bad they looked during this fight and will almost certainly spend the next few weeks (or months) congratulating themselves on their tremendous magnanimity.

Gang of Six : The group was supposed to put lie to the idea that true bipartisanship — in which both sides give somewhat equally — was dead. But the gang was never able to deliver its plans, amid departures and re-arrivals (Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, we’re looking at you). And after a brief renaissance late in the game when Obama praised the group, it faded again — eclipsed by plans pushed by leaders in both parties.

Commissions: It seems as though the answer to every in*trac*table problem in Washington is to form a commission. Social Security insolvency on the horizon? Commission! Education failing our kids? Commission(s)! (There have been at least four.) Heck, we have already had a commission to deal with the debt problem. The likely formation of a super-commission to figure out what can and should be cut out of the federal budget may not be doomed to failure, but it has a lot of bad commission history to overcome.

Liberals: As the basic framework of the deal emerged, liberals began voicing their discontent about a bargain that left their side wanting more. With no revenue in the initial phase of the legislation and Medicare cuts on the table in the second phase, there’s not much for the ideological left to celebrate. :dance::lol:
 


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Look at the chart above from the federal reserve. You have to go back to 1983 to have such a small percentage of Americans working. Don't correlate the numbers from the 1940's, 1950's, 1960's, and early 1970's with today. Back then women were mostly stay at home moms so that's why the percentages were lower.


Peeps we could be heading to another Great Depression. Odds 60-40 right now. We have passed the 50% mark in my view. As the Economonitor comment points out below, <SPAN STYLE="background-color:YELLOW"><b>the Federal Reserve chart that you see above showing the percentage of Americans working is now down to 54.6%</b></span>.


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http://www.economonitor.com/danalpe...-a-week-jobs-macroeconomics-markets-and-more/

August 5th 2011

......The decrease in the unemployment rate to 9.1% from 9.2% is not a happy number at all. The size of the labor force fell by 193,000 (the denominator in the unemployment rate) and the number of people employed according to the Household Survey (the numerator) fell as well by 38,000.

The employment population ratio continues to fall – to 58.1%. <SPAN STYLE="background-color:YELLOW"><b>And when you remove the 8.4 million people working part time for economic reasons (as little as an hour a week according to the survey methodology) we are down to 54.6% of our civilian non-institutional population employed full time – 30 year lows (at least). </b></span>

This is a much worse situation than we were in at the depth of the 2009 recession and reflects quite a sick economy. U-6, the underemployment rate, was near unchanged at 16.1% – but, again, due to the reduction in the civilian labor force......

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Furthermore millions more Americans who are barely hanging on economically are about to lose their lifelines; see the chart above.

<blockquote> Close to $2 of every $10 that went into Americans’ wallets last year were payments like jobless benefits, food stamps, Social Security and disability, according to an analysis by Moody’s Analytics. By the end of this year, however, many of those dollars are going to disappear, with the expiration of extended benefits intended to help people cope with the lingering effects of the recession. Moody’s Analytics estimates $37 billion will be drained from the nation’s pocketbooks this year.
READ!!! - Economy Faces a Jolt as Benefit Checks Run Out
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Also we have the ticking time bomb referenced above- EXPIRING extended benefits - for millions of Americans who CAN NOT find jobs ANYWHERE. Did you know that there is a ONE YEAR waiting list to get into THE MILITARY right now. Of course most people do not know this, corporate television media never put this reality on the tube.


The oligarchs plan for America is to have as many people as possible scrambling for survival as you see in the video below.








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It’s ironic how a Rupert Murdoch News Corporation media property like the Wall Street Journal can webcast fact based analysis & opinion for a readership & viewership that demands it — but at the same time lie and willfully deceive their clueless <s>FOX</s> FAKE News viewers. Among the professional non-political top economists and top money managers, if you ask them how the United States got into the economic crisis we are in, the answer is unanimous — the culprit was the BuShit gang.

This irrefutable fact is never permitted to be uttered on <s>FOX</s> FAKE News. In fact most of the “media of mass distraction” never talks about how we’ve reached this point of handing out “Sugar-Coated Satan Sandwichs” to the American people.

Top economist Dr. Nouriel Roubini talks to the Wall Street Journal on August 11th 2011 about how the US economy got into the dire straits it’s in and what is his prognosis.

The short clip about BuShit is first and then the full 22 minute interview



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Despite a massive propaganda campaign led by <s>FOX</s> FAKE News, Americans 2-1 understand that BuShit is responsible for the continuing awful economy for working men and women, not the top one-percent (1%) who are thriving.


Voters Blame Bush Over Obama 2-1 For Financial Mess -July 14_2011




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What president Obama needs to do is to communicate the truth to the American people. Obama and his entire administration are the worst communicators I have ever seen in the modern presidency.


President Obama in campaign mode is finally laying out basic truths about taxes & revenues and how the very wealthy in the US right now are paying the lowest rates in 55 years (15%), while a typical worker, cop, fireman, nurse, bus driver, is paying 20%-28% federal taxes.

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He should of had an entire team of spokespeople, dozens of individuals 24/7 getting his message out for the past three years to counteract the RepubliKlan noise machine. Now Cantor says (Oct. 5, 2011) that he will not even allow a vote on Obama's job bill. In my opinion the bill is not strong, but regardless, Cantor won't allow the RepubliKlans to vote NO and be on-the-record- as voting NO. If team Obama has any political moxy at all, and I'm highly dubious that Axelrod knows what-the-fuck he is doing, they can use Cantors obstinance against the RepubliKlans


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