Mayweather a paper champ without Pacquiao: analyst

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NEW YORK -- The Paper Champion made his way toward the stage, arms raised, a toothy smile creasing his face. These are the moments Floyd Mayweather lives for and craves, those meticulously planned, carefully choreographed entrances where all eyes lock on him. They feed his ego and reassure the most insecure star in sports that, indeed, he is still No. 1.
Here was Mayweather, back in the spotlight, back in front of hundreds of adoring fans who had poured into Hudson Theatre in Times Square on Tuesday -- the first stop on a glitzy press tour to promote his Sept. 17 fight against Victor Ortiz in Las Vegas -- basking in the moment. He waved to the crowd, glad-handed the media and listened as television, hotel and boxing executives fawned over his skills and thanked him profusely for gracing the world with his return.
They have to, of course. A Mayweather fight means a sold-out hotel for the MGM Grand corporation and a lucrative pay-per-view and a highly-rated 24/7 series for HBO. They have to extol his virtues. They have to smile and nod when Mayweather says he "absolutely" wants a fight with Manny Pacquiao even though, privately, most know he will continue to do everything he can to avoid it.
That's what it all circles back to, isn't it? There's nothing wrong with fighting the 24-year-old Ortiz, a ferocious-punching titleholder who is a rising star. There is a reasonable amount of danger for the 34-year-old in an Ortiz fight because, historically, Mayweather has had trouble with southpaws and even more trouble with fighters who back him up with consistent pressure. But it's not the one fight, the only fight, anyone around boxing really wants to see.
Mayweather says he doesn't need Pacquiao, and too many people are starting to believe him. He says his victories against Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton and Shane Mosley are enough to elevate him to the level of greatest of all time, while his status as a pay-per-view giant -- 6.9 million buys and counting -- makes him a bona fide star.
The truth: Without Pacquiao, Mayweather is incomplete, a paper champion with a résumé at which Muhammad Ali, Sugar Ray Leonard and Roberto Duran would sniff. He is the LeBron James of boxing, an extraordinarily talented phenom who has never lived up to his potential. Whereas LeBron has shrank in big moments, Mayweather simply avoids them. He has had too many chances to fight Pacquiao, far too many to dismiss as bad timing or bad luck. Last summer he dispatched adviser Al Haymon to hammer out a complicated deal with Top Rank's Bob Arum and HBO's Ross Greenburg. When Haymon came back, Mayweather simply told him he wasn't interested anymore. Another adviser, Leonard Ellerbe, bizarrely denied that negotiations had ever happened.
Mayweather is enabled, too, by a boxing press corps that, predominantly, refuses to challenge him. During a 35-minute meeting with reporters, he was lobbed softball after softball, "questions" like why he doesn't get enough credit for elevating the sport or why his past opponents are criticized while Pacquiao's conquests -- several of which appear on Mayweather's list -- are praised. So comfortable is Mayweather in dictating to the boxing media that, while addressing a question about the most recent assault allegations against him, he had the audacity to tell the gaggle that he would "appreciate it if they write the story like I give it to them."
This is the bubble in which he lives, where his boorish behavior is ignored and grossly inaccurate statements are met with nods and "You're right, champ" affirmations. An example: While discussing performance-enhancing drugs in sports, Mayweather wondered why the public has been so quick to jump on Barry Bonds while "some guy from another country" (Pacquiao) can go from "106 pounds to 150-something." Never mind that it wasn't until the BALCO link to Bonds was established and his grand jury testimony was leaked that the embattled slugger came under a microscope. To date there has been no direct link between Pacquiao and steroids and, thus, no reason to lump him into Bonds' category. And never mind that in 1993 Mayweather was a 16-year-old, 106-pound amateur while in '95 Pacquiao, at the same age, was fighting professionally at the same weight.
These are insignificant details to Mayweather, whose opinions have been hardened by the legion of friends and advisers telling him that he is right. His assault on Pacquiao's character is pathetic, from the suggestions of steroid use to the racist, homophobic rant on Ustream last year that has since gone viral. He insists he will never fight Pacquiao without blood testing, but Arum and Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach, have claimed that they have agreed to every one of Mayweather's demands.
This fight with Ortiz will be entertaining. It will sell out the arena and probably pocket close to 1.5 million PPV buys. But it will do nothing to enhance Mayweather's credentials, nothing to alter the opinions of anyone who matters. Until he faces -- and defeats -- Pacquiao, he will be a Hall of Fame fighter with a third-ballot résumé, a Paper Champion with great skills but without a truly defining win.


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Sports Illustrated stopped being an authority on boxing during the Tyson years. They've been telling us boxing is dead for at least ten years.
Mayweather's not a "paper" champion because he's not a champion at all. He's holds no belts or recognized championship so the fact that he does command such esteem and draw such money and attention, even from those that find him distasteful, makes him the top guy in the sport and a bona fide superstar.

LeBron James has no championships while Floyd Mayweather was the undisputed welterweight champion of the world and p4p best fighter for years and it's only his inactivity that prevents him from being it now (I don't it's fair for anyone to put him on the list ahead of guys who fight regularly). What a shitty, horrible comparison.

Even fighting and beating Pacquiao wouldn't make him the greatest of all time so in that regard, he doesn't need Pacquiao because it's irrelevent. He would have to go back and sneak in a Casamayor and a couple other guys to get in that Top 5 All Time list.

Third ballot Hof? Seriously? Right then, the article went from silly to insanely not credible.
 
Bravo. This is arguably one of the greatest, most truthful articles ever written. Sports Illustrated is once again showing their superiority in sports writing with this incredibly accurate and unbiased article. Sports Illustrated still has the balls to tell it like it is and should be commended.
 
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Sports Illustrated stopped being an authority on boxing during the Tyson years. They've been telling us boxing is dead for at least ten years.
Mayweather's not a "paper" champion because he's not a champion at all. He's holds no belts or recognized championship so the fact that he does command such esteem and draw such money and attention, even from those that find him distasteful, makes him the top guy in the sport and a bona fide superstar.

LeBron James has no championships while Floyd Mayweather was the undisputed welterweight champion of the world and p4p best fighter for years and it's only his inactivity that prevents him from being it now (I don't it's fair for anyone to put him on the list ahead of guys who fight regularly). What a shitty, horrible comparison.

Third ballot Hof? Seriously? Right then, the article went from silly to insanely not credible.

LOL, yeah it is a pretty biased article. I mean even with his suspect resume you can't deny what dude has done. The paper champion bit though was most like an attack on him being consider best pound for pound. You can't be critical and not aknowledge the accomplishments of dude at the same time. For all his faults no boxer has officially solved the PBF problem. Castillo did unofficially. But that wasn't enough. Still the article has some interesting viewpoints. But Chris seems like he really is tired of the PBF show. Rightfully so.

Bron Bron needs a title more than anyone in the NBA history next to Wilt and Jerry did.
 
LOL, yeah it is a pretty biased article. I mean even with his suspect resume you can't deny what dude has done. The paper champion bit though was most like an attack on him being consider best pound for pound. You can't be critical and not aknowledge the accomplishments of dude at the same time. For all his faults no boxer has officially solved the PBF problem. Castillo did unofficially. But that wasn't enough. Still the article has some interesting viewpoints. But Chris seems like he really is tired of the PBF show. Rightfully so.

Bron Bron needs a title more than anyone in the NBA history next to Wilt and Jerry did.

He should say that instead of just ranting and making stuff up.

LeBron is a whole different topic but that guy needs a title even more than Wilt and Jerry at this point. And when he does the same people shitting on him will come running back like they've been on the bandwagon the whole time. One title and they'll be acting like he The Greatest Player to Ever Touch a Basketball again.
That's why I've always liked players like Barry Bonds who keep the media at arm's length.
 
He should say that instead of just ranting and making stuff up.

LeBron is a whole different topic but that guy needs a title even more than Wilt and Jerry at this point. And when he does the same people shitting on him will come running back like they've been on the bandwagon the whole time. One title and they'll be acting like he The Greatest Player to Ever Touch a Basketball again.
That's why I've always liked players like Barry Bonds who keep the media at arm's length.

I don't know. I thought Wilt and Jerry played longer than Bron before getting their title.

Yeah Chris went HAM, lol. Shit is still a funny read. His comments on third ballot hall of fame was based on his opponents in his resume. I mean how many hall of famers has PBF fought? How many rounds has he been in total with hall of fame fighters. That is probably what he is looking at. And he is correct that PBF has no defining fight. The only fight he has to me is against Chico. And that victory was tainted because Chico was more thinking about his year jail bid that PBF.
 
I don't know. I thought Wilt and Jerry played longer than Bron before getting their title.

Yeah Chris went HAM, lol. Shit is still a funny read. His comments on third ballot hall of fame was based on his opponents in his resume. I mean how many hall of famers has PBF fought? How many rounds has he been in total with hall of fame fighters. That is probably what he is looking at. And he is correct that PBF has no defining fight. The only fight he has to me is against Chico. And that victory was tainted because Chico was more thinking about his year jail bid that PBF.

Yeah, it's not really looking as good as it could have been legacy-wise for Floyd. If you're a bad ass, you're supposed to be fighting and beating the number one guys in each division you set foot in. The only division Floyd did this in was lightweight and that was almost a decade ago and he has been through 3 divisions since.
 
:lol::lol:You guys are gonna have to actually recruit a couple of new dudes, it just doesn't work with 2 people. Shit actually sounds scripted.:lol::lol:
 
:lol::lol:You guys are gonna have to actually recruit a couple of new dudes, it just doesn't work with 2 people. Shit actually sounds scripted.:lol::lol:

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Dave fucked it up by wasting typing time on this thread. Let these dudes have their fun with endless Mayweather bashing.
 
:lol::lol:You guys are gonna have to actually recruit a couple of new dudes, it just doesn't work with 2 people. Shit actually sounds scripted.:lol::lol:

Hey, you can't change reality. I will shave my nuts this week but I don't know what day.
 
Hey, you can't change reality. I will shave my nuts this week but I don't know what day.

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his victories against Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton and Shane Mosley are enough to elevate him to the level of greatest of all time, while his status as a pay-per-view giant -- 6.9 million buys and counting -- makes him a bona fide star.

I have long made arguments about the resume...but considering that Pacman is now fighting Marquez again,Marquez with the other 3 gives them damn near the same resume over the last few years... they both had damn near fought the exact same opponents over the last 3-4 years.
 
I have long made arguments about the resume...but considering that Pacman is now fighting Marquez again,Marquez with the other 3 gives them damn near the same resume over the last few years... they both had damn near fought the exact same opponents over the last 3-4 years.

yeah but their careers are both longer than 3 or 4 years ago.
 
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Dave fucked it up by wasting typing time on this thread. Let these dudes have their fun with endless Mayweather bashing.

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I jumped in before it got weird. If I had known we were going to go from thinking the writer was bullshitting with the "third round HoF" shit to agreeing with him, I'd have watched from the sidelines.
 
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I jumped in before it got weird. If I had known we were going to go from thinking the writer was bullshitting with the "third round HoF" shit to agreeing with him, I'd have watched from the sidelines.

Come on dude... Its a buk thread about Mayweather. :lol::lol::lol::lol:


How many of these have we've seen? What else could it be? All of these dudes do the same thing "Mayweather isn't worth talking about" a moment or two later they go into the same attacks over and over again. Anyone tries to pin the bullshit down and they got nothing. Might as well talk to a tea party member about Obama. Same shit except some tea party guys can put up a good argument or two every once and awhile which is usually more about American politics in general than Obama.
 
yeah but their careers are both longer than 3 or 4 years ago.

So...let us take 2002-2007... what did Pacman do that was so much greater than what Floyd did?....

just fyi...Do not go the logical fallacy route and compare Floyd to a previous all-time great...because that is not what I have done. Any complaint that can be made about Floyd, can pretty much be made against Pacman... they are both overrated in terms of comparing them to all-time greats.. but for the author to try to belittle Floyd in comparison to Pacman is laughable..
 
So...let us take 2002-2007... what did Pacman do that was so much greater than what Floyd did?....

just fyi...Do not go the logical fallacy route and compare Floyd to a previous all-time great...because that is not what I have done. Any complaint that can be made about Floyd, can pretty much be made against Pacman... they are both overrated in terms of comparing them to all-time greats.. but for the author to try to belittle Floyd in comparison to Pacman is laughable..

Up until 2007, they were quite comparable with Pac having the slight edge in opposition as he fought Marquez, Morales, and Barrera multiple times.

Floyd started losing fans and getting criticized more when he started retiring just as soon as 147 heated up. He took his first vacation when 147 was hot with Cotto, Margarito, WIlliams, and Cintron. All those guys were hot when Floyd decided to retire and people wanted to see him against any of those guys because those would have been interesting fights. However, he decided to unretire after those guys finished beating each other up and even then he came back against a lightweight. Pac has consistently remained active and in the mix while Mayweather is usually just chilling on vacation, retiring, getting into legal problems, etc. This is one of the reasons why Pac seems more favorable in these comparisons.
 
Up until 2007, they were quite comparable with Pac having the slight edge in opposition as he fought Marquez, Morales, and Barrera multiple times.
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Your argument is different from buk. Buk is making the claim that prior to 2007 is the difference between the two..and you are saying that really after 2007 is what makes the difference..

but considering that since 2007, Pacman and Floyd have fought the same exact fighters with the exception of a couple, how can one argue for Pacman solely based on resume (over the last few years).

So personally, you think that the last 4 years really separates the two?...not talking about hypotheticals.... just purely considering the work they have done in the ring and the opponents they have fought..

consider I was called a Floyd hater for calling him a bitch when he not only retired the first time and then he said he was the goat...I agree...too many possible fights out there for him to be talking about retiring at such a young age( but fighters often use this ploy)

My argument is not even that his resume is not weak..ESPECIALLY at welterweight... my argument is that how can Pacman be considered so much better when they pretty much share the same resume over the last 3-4 years and Floyd beat all of the same fighters first... seems a bit biased...

they both need to cut the shit and fight each other..(i do know that however, they arent really the only two who makes the decision)
 
Come on dude... Its a buk thread about Mayweather. :lol::lol::lol::lol:


How many of these have we've seen? What else could it be? All of these dudes do the same thing "Mayweather isn't worth talking about" a moment or two later they go into the same attacks over and over again. Anyone tries to pin the bullshit down and they got nothing. Might as well talk to a tea party member about Obama. Same shit except some tea party guys can put up a good argument or two every once and awhile which is usually more about American politics in general than Obama.

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Up until 2007, they were quite comparable with Pac having the slight edge in opposition as he fought Marquez, Morales, and Barrera multiple times.

Pacquiao gets credit for the first Barrera fight, that's the one that made him a star. He definitely gets the utmost credit for the all the JMM fights (the 144 weight scheme puts an ugly black mark on the upcoming one) and the first Morales fight and less for the second. But he gets none for the third. That was no different than Mayweather fighting JMM at 145 in that Morales was terribly and visibly drained in making weight and had been campaigning at lightweight.

Floyd started losing fans and getting criticized more when he started retiring just as soon as 147 heated up. He took his first vacation when 147 was hot with Cotto, Margarito, WIlliams, and Cintron. All those guys were hot when Floyd decided to retire and people wanted to see him against any of those guys because those would have been interesting fights. However, he decided to unretire after those guys finished beating each other up and even then he came back against a lightweight. Pac has consistently remained active and in the mix while Mayweather is usually just chilling on vacation, retiring, getting into legal problems, etc. This is one of the reasons why Pac seems more favorable in these comparisons.

Whatever fans Mayweather may have lost, he more than made up for in newer fans. Fans like winners and the more flamboyant, the better.
A couple minor points
Williams and Margarito were not "hot" at the same time. Williams became hot after beating Margarito during the brief "retirement" of 2007. Then he lost his first defense to Quintana and killed all his momentum.
Cotto was heating up but he wasn't really "hot" either in the spring/summer 2007 since he had only beaten Zab Judah, a fight where Judah came off well just by the way he handled defeat. Cotto didn't become a true superstar until the Mosley fight and that was in November. That's when he had the best case for a fight with Mayweather but at that time Floyd wasn't retired but was recuperating from various nagging injuries.
Margarito did bounce back from the Williams loss (notice he didn't want a rematch) but his beating at the hands of Mosley and exposure as a cheater killed his career.
Each of Mayweather's breaks, "retirements" or otherwise, were temporary and everybody knew they were when he announced them so it was up to each of those guys to win and put themselves in positions that he would have to fight them purely on the marketability of the fight, which is how Ricky Hatton got a fight.
 
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Your argument is different from buk. Buk is making the claim that prior to 2007 is the difference between the two..and you are saying that really after 2007 is what makes the difference..

but considering that since 2007, Pacman and Floyd have fought the same exact fighters with the exception of a couple, how can one argue for Pacman solely based on resume (over the last few years).

So personally, you think that the last 4 years really separates the two?...not talking about hypotheticals.... just purely considering the work they have done in the ring and the opponents they have fought..

consider I was called a Floyd hater for calling him a bitch when he not only retired the first time and then he said he was the goat...I agree...too many possible fights out there for him to be talking about retiring at such a young age( but fighters often use this ploy)

My argument is not even that his resume is not weak..ESPECIALLY at welterweight... my argument is that how can Pacman be considered so much better when they pretty much share the same resume over the last 3-4 years and Floyd beat all of the same fighters first... seems a bit biased...

they both need to cut the shit and fight each other..(i do know that however, they arent really the only two who makes the decision)

Oh, I understand you now. I actually agree with you. I don't think I've ever wrote here that I think Pac is a historically greater fighter or that he has done SO much more than Mayweather. The root of my arguments stems more from a pound for pound "what have you done for me lately?" kind of thing. In general, I favor active boxers more than boxers that just take chill pills and even go a whole year without fighting. I dislike Mayweather's activity and I think it is hard to truly judge a fighter's greatness when they don't fight. Sure it's easy to sit back and say Mayweather "would have" beaten this guy or the other one anyway. But I'm a true believer that the fights need to be won in the ring especially in the case of Mayweather where he has stated he is better than Ray Leonard and stuff like that. Especially when people call him a defensive master. Against the guys he's been fighting, there's not enough to call him the greatest defensive anything. Pernell Whitaker was testing his defense against Julio Cesar Chavez, Julio Cesar Vazquez, Azumah Nelson, and Buddy McGirt. If Mayweather would have remained untouchable against Williams, Cotto, Cintron, and Margarito then hell yeah give him all the credit. As a fan, I can't accept that Floyd would have beaten even Berto unless he fought the actual fight. He missed too many guys and doesn't even make an attempt to dominate his division. I think that is the root of most people's gripe about Mayweather. The so called haters actually want to see the guy fight instead of all the loudmouth badboy act that's not even backed up by giving the fans the fight they want to see.
 
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Pacquiao gets credit for the first Barrera fight, that's the one that made him a star. He definitely gets the utmost credit for the all the JMM fights (the 144 weight scheme puts an ugly black mark on the upcoming one) and the first Morales fight and less for the second. But he gets none for the third. That was no different than Mayweather fighting JMM at 145 in that Morales was terribly and visibly drained in making weight and had been campaigning at lightweight.



Whatever fans Mayweather may have lost, he more than made up for in newer fans. Fans like winners and the more flamboyant, the better.
A couple minor points
Williams and Margarito were not "hot" at the same time. Williams became hot after beating Margarito during the brief "retirement" of 2007. Then he lost his first defense to Quintana and killed all his momentum.
Cotto was heating up but he wasn't really "hot" either in the spring/summer 2007 since he had only beaten Zab Judah, a fight where Judah came off well just by the way he handled defeat. Cotto didn't become a true superstar until the Mosley fight and that was in November. That's when he had the best case for a fight with Mayweather but at that time Floyd wasn't retired but was recuperating from various nagging injuries.
Margarito did bounce back from the Williams loss (notice he didn't want a rematch) but his beating at the hands of Mosley and exposure as a cheater killed his career.
Each of Mayweather's breaks, "retirements" or otherwise, were temporary and everybody knew they were when he announced them so it was up to each of those guys to win and put themselves in positions that he would have to fight them purely on the marketability of the fight, which is how Ricky Hatton got a fight.

Whether they were hot at the same time or not, the point is Mayweather didn't do shit in the welterweight division and did not fight the best opposition available. He fought the big money fights against guys that were not even factors in the division. DLH was not the best junior middle he could have fought. Hatton was never good at 147 and almost got taken out by non punching Collazo. That and the fact that he had all of England behind him is what got him the fight with Mayweather. Hatton had not shown anything at welter. Baldomir was a bum and Judah lost to this bum. Cotto, Williams, Cintron, and Margarito were all fresher than these guys he was fighting and when he actually had to choose between Margarito and Baldomir for the same money, he chose Baldomir.
 
So...let us take 2002-2007... what did Pacman do that was so much greater than what Floyd did?....

just fyi...Do not go the logical fallacy route and compare Floyd to a previous all-time great...because that is not what I have done. Any complaint that can be made about Floyd, can pretty much be made against Pacman... they are both overrated in terms of comparing them to all-time greats.. but for the author to try to belittle Floyd in comparison to Pacman is laughable..

I don't think the comparison is laughable. For Manny these are the fights that put his resume as better the PBF pre 2007.

Agapito Sanchez (Actually this is one of my favorite fights to watch for a laugh. It was on a tyson card I think. But it was the dirties shit I ever seen. I knew aggie was dirty, but he really fought dirty. But the thing about this was that it was a tough fight and manny survived it and got better. Aggie was a top fighter in his division too. tough fight)

Marco Antonio Barrera (the first fight Macro just ran off two wins against Erik and beat Kelly. Macro was a top pound for pound fighter and lost to manny is a great fight.In fact Marco was on an 8 fight wins streak. Then when they fought again he rattled of 6 straight wins then lost to JMM before his Manny fight. Dude still was in the game.)

Erik Morales (erik still was in the mix in all his fights when he met manny. Yeah he lost to Marco and raheem. But when you are one of the best and fight the other best fighters it happen.)

Oscar Larios (another top fighter who fought the best and lost to manny)

Juan Manuel Marquez (nuff said)

I mean stopping at 2008 dude beat Oscar, JMM, and Diaz in that year. I think those names and fights carry more weight than PBF's resume up to 2008. After that they are whatever. Granted Manny stepped in the ring with a few of the names people associate saying PBF ducked doesn't hurt either. I just think that Manny has a similar career with PBF moving up in weight. But is the clear leader when you look at the fight resume between the two.

Am I saying Manny is better than PBF? Nope, because I don't know what PBF is capable of. He has not stepped in the ring with an equal or better yet since diego over 10 years ago. We will at least see him do it if they fight.

And for PBF 2002-2008 he fought Oscar and Ricky.
 
Whether they were hot at the same time or not, the point is Mayweather didn't do shit in the welterweight division and did not fight the best opposition available.
Hard to disagree to a point. He moved up to welter because he couldn't make weight at jr welter and the best welterweight at the time was Zab Judah.

He fought the big money fights against guys that were not even factors in the division. DLH was not the best junior middle he could have fought.

Who was? After his sound beatings Vargas and Mayorga, who was over Oscar at 154? There's an argument for Cory Spinks but who would want to see that after those horrible fights Spinks was having at the time? Ouma? There's a guy I really liked but made the mistake of fighting Taylor at middleweight. Unlike Oscar, he didn't have the starpower to bounce back.

Hatton was never good at 147 and almost got taken out by non punching Collazo. That and the fact that he had all of England behind him is what got him the fight with Mayweather. Hatton had not shown anything at welter. Baldomir was a bum and Judah lost to this bum. Cotto, Williams, Cintron, and Margarito were all fresher than these guys he was fighting and when he actually had to choose between Margarito and Baldomir for the same money, he chose Baldomir.

I was never impressed with Hatton at 147 but he had a lot of people fooled and HBO was fully behind him, so yeah, that was purely a money fight for Mayweather. He would have had to be a poor businessman on the level of Shane Mosley to not have taken that fight.
Baldomir was a journeyman but at the time he was a champion and was on a hot streak after beating Judah and Arturo Gatti. Margarito may have been a better opponent, none of those other three were even close to being on Baldomir's level since none of them had done anything of significance at 147 at that time.
 
Oh, I understand you now. I actually agree with you. I don't think I've ever wrote here that I think Pac is a historically greater fighter or that he has done SO much more than Mayweather. The root of my arguments stems more from a pound for pound "what have you done for me lately?" kind of thing. In general, I favor active boxers more than boxers that just take chill pills and even go a whole year without fighting. I dislike Mayweather's activity and I think it is hard to truly judge a fighter's greatness when they don't fight.

Agreed. But I was comparing two different arguments. I didnt say that was your argument.

That is my beef towards Floyd as well and it will affect his overall legacy when he finally hangs his gloves up...
 
*sigh*

Come on, folks...Do we have to go through this again? :smh:



Dammit merce you need to quit posting these pics, man...:lol:

Damn if only you could see the thread I started on this broad. Her name is Jasmin Cadavid in case you wanna do a lil "research" yourself.:lol:
 
:lol::lol:You guys are gonna have to actually recruit a couple of new dudes, it just doesn't work with 2 people. Shit actually sounds scripted.:lol::lol:

How you run your crew is your own thing. I just speak my mind on certain subjects. I don't need to be cosigned or have people cosign me.
 
Good. Because if it wasn't for Zef.....:smh::lol::lol:

seriously. Well I am glad your reputation on here and your circle jerk crew empowers you so much. Thats actually funny. Still funny is I never heard a counter arguement with manny have a better resume. Deflecting instead on participating syrikes me equally as funny as everything else.
 
seriously. Well I am glad your reputation on here and your circle jerk crew empowers you so much. Thats actually funny. Still funny is I never heard a counter arguement with manny have a better resume. Deflecting instead on participating syrikes me equally as funny as everything else.

I don't think that's ever been an argument. Manny has a better resume prior to his welterweight campaign. But, like Mayweather, once he starts making the money, his level of competition drops.
 
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