Open Letter from Michael Moore to President Obama on Afghanistan + Cheney's argument

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An Open Letter to President Obama from Michael Moore

Dear President Obama,

Do you really want to be the new "war president"? If you go to West Point tomorrow night (Tuesday, 8pm) and announce that you are increasing, rather than withdrawing, the troops in Afghanistan, you are the new war president. Pure and simple. And with that you will do the worst possible thing you could do -- destroy the hopes and dreams so many millions have placed in you. With just one speech tomorrow night you will turn a multitude of young people who were the backbone of your campaign into disillusioned cynics. You will teach them what they've always heard is true -- that all politicians are alike. I simply can't believe you're about to do what they say you are going to do. Please say it isn't so.

It is not your job to do what the generals tell you to do. We are a civilian-run government. WE tell the Joint Chiefs what to do, not the other way around. That's the way General Washington insisted it must be. That's what President Truman told General MacArthur when MacArthur wanted to invade China. "You're fired!," said Truman, and that was that. And you should have fired Gen. McChrystal when he went to the press to preempt you, telling the press what YOU had to do. Let me be blunt: We love our kids in the armed services, but we f*#&in' hate these generals, from Westmoreland in Vietnam to, yes, even Colin Powell for lying to the UN with his made-up drawings of WMD (he has since sought redemption).

So now you feel backed into a corner. 30 years ago this past Thursday (Thanksgiving) the Soviet generals had a cool idea -- "Let's invade Afghanistan!" Well, that turned out to be the final nail in the USSR coffin.

There's a reason they don't call Afghanistan the "Garden State" (though they probably should, seeing how the corrupt President Karzai, whom we back, has his brother in the heroin trade raising poppies). Afghanistan's nickname is the "Graveyard of Empires." If you don't believe it, give the British a call. I'd have you call Genghis Khan but I lost his number. I do have Gorbachev's number though. It's + 41 22 789 1662. I'm sure he could give you an earful about the historic blunder you're about to commit.

With our economic collapse still in full swing and our precious young men and women being sacrificed on the altar of arrogance and greed, the breakdown of this great civilization we call America will head, full throttle, into oblivion if you become the "war president." Empires never think the end is near, until the end is here. Empires think that more evil will force the heathens to toe the line -- and yet it never works. The heathens usually tear them to shreds.

Choose carefully, President Obama. You of all people know that it doesn't have to be this way. You still have a few hours to listen to your heart, and your own clear thinking. You know that nothing good can come from sending more troops halfway around the world to a place neither you nor they understand, to achieve an objective that neither you nor they understand, in a country that does not want us there. You can feel it in your bones.

I know you know that there are LESS than a hundred al-Qaeda left in Afghanistan! A hundred thousand troops trying to crush a hundred guys living in caves? Are you serious? Have you drunk Bush's Kool-Aid? I refuse to believe it.

Your potential decision to expand the war (while saying that you're doing it so you can "end the war") will do more to set your legacy in stone than any of the great things you've said and done in your first year. One more throwing a bone from you to the Republicans and the coalition of the hopeful and the hopeless may be gone -- and this nation will be back in the hands of the haters quicker than you can shout "tea bag!"

Choose carefully, Mr. President. Your corporate backers are going to abandon you as soon as it is clear you are a one-term president and that the nation will be safely back in the hands of the usual idiots who do their bidding. That could be Wednesday morning.

We the people still love you. We the people still have a sliver of hope. But we the people can't take it anymore. We can't take your caving in, over and over, when we elected you by a big, wide margin of millions to get in there and get the job done. What part of "landslide victory" don't you understand?

Don't be deceived into thinking that sending a few more troops into Afghanistan will make a difference, or earn you the respect of the haters. They will not stop until this country is torn asunder and every last dollar is extracted from the poor and soon-to-be poor. You could send a million troops over there and the crazy Right still wouldn't be happy. You would still be the victim of their incessant venom on hate radio and television because no matter what you do, you can't change the one thing about yourself that sends them over the edge.

The haters were not the ones who elected you, and they can't be won over by abandoning the rest of us.

President Obama, it's time to come home. Ask your neighbors in Chicago and the parents of the young men and women doing the fighting and dying if they want more billions and more troops sent to Afghanistan. Do you think they will say, "No, we don't need health care, we don't need jobs, we don't need homes. You go on ahead, Mr. President, and send our wealth and our sons and daughters overseas, 'cause we don't need them, either."

What would Martin Luther King, Jr. do? What would your grandmother do? Not send more poor people to kill other poor people who pose no threat to them, that's what they'd do. Not spend billions and trillions to wage war while American children are sleeping on the streets and standing in bread lines.

All of us that voted and prayed for you and cried the night of your victory have endured an Orwellian hell of eight years of crimes committed in our name: torture, rendition, suspension of the bill of rights, invading nations who had not attacked us, blowing up neighborhoods that Saddam "might" be in (but never was), slaughtering wedding parties in Afghanistan. We watched as hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians were slaughtered and tens of thousands of our brave young men and women were killed, maimed, or endured mental anguish -- the full terror of which we scarcely know.

When we elected you we didn't expect miracles. We didn't even expect much change. But we expected some. We thought you would stop the madness. Stop the killing. Stop the insane idea that men with guns can reorganize a nation that doesn't even function as a nation and never, ever has.

Stop, stop, stop! For the sake of the lives of young Americans and Afghan civilians, stop. For the sake of your presidency, hope, and the future of our nation, stop. For God's sake, stop.

Tonight we still have hope.

Tomorrow, we shall see. The ball is in your court. You DON'T have to do this. You can be a profile in courage. You can be your mother's son.

We're counting on you.

Yours,
Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
MichaelMoore.com

P.S. There's still time to have your voice heard. Call the White House at 202-456-1111 or email the President.
 
Re: Open Letter from Michael Moore to President Obama on Afghanistan

At first glance, the tone of Moore's letter may seem unrealistic.

"I simply can't believe you're about to do what they say you are going to do. Please say it isn't so." What they say? His position actually seems to be "I simply can't believe you're about to do what you said you were going to do."

But, consider this: "I know you know that there are LESS than a hundred al-Qaeda left in Afghanistan! A hundred thousand troops trying to crush a hundred guys living in caves? Are you serious? Have you drunk Bush's Kool-Aid? I refuse to believe it."

Moore seems to be focusing on the situation as is and not campaign rhetoric from over a year ago. I don't know the state of al-Qaeda myself but, if it is as he suggests (even close to that), then Obama's position seems impossible to defend and, yes, shocking in its unreasonableness.
 
Re: Cheney's argument

At the same time...

Dick Cheney slams President Obama for projecting ‘weakness’

MCLEAN, Va. — On the eve of the unveiling of the nation’s new Afghanistan policy, former Vice President Dick Cheney slammed President Barack Obama for projecting “weakness” to adversaries and warned that more workaday Afghans will side with the Taliban if they think the United States is heading for the exits.

In a 90-minute interview at his suburban Washington house, Cheney said the president’s “agonizing” about Afghanistan strategy “has consequences for your forces in the field.”

“I begin to get nervous when I see the commander in chief making decisions apparently for what I would describe as small ‘p’ political reasons, where he’s trying to balance off different competing groups in society,” Cheney said.

“Every time he delays, defers, debates, changes his position, it begins to raise questions: Is the commander in chief really behind what they’ve been asked to do?”

Obama administration officials have complained ever since taking office that they face a series of unpalatable — if not impossible — national security decisions in Afghanistan and Pakistan because of the Bush administration’s unwavering insistence on focusing on Iraq.

But Cheney rejected any suggestion that Obama had to decide on a new strategy for Afghanistan because the one employed by the previous administration failed.

Cheney was asked if he thinks the Bush administration bears any responsibility for the disintegration of Afghanistan because of the attention and resources that were diverted to Iraq. “I basically don’t,” he replied without elaborating.

Obama will announce a troop buildup in Afghanistan in a speech Tuesday at West Point, and he’s expected to send at least 30,000 more U.S. troops to the country. The White House also has said that Obama will outline a general time frame for the United States to begin withdrawing from Afghanistan.

But Cheney said the average Afghan citizen “sees talk about exit strategies and how soon we can get out, instead of talk about how we win.

“Those folks ... begin to look for ways to accommodate their enemies,” Cheney said. “They’re worried the United States isn’t going to be there much longer and the bad guys are.”

During the interview, Cheney laced his concerns with a broader critique of Obama’s foreign and national security policy, saying Obama’s nuanced and at times cerebral approach projects “weakness” and that the president is looking “far more radical than I expected.”

“Here’s a guy without much experience, who campaigned against much of what we put in place ... and who now travels around the world apologizing,” Cheney said. “I think our adversaries — especially when that’s preceded by a deep bow ... — see that as a sign of weakness.”

Specifically, Cheney said the Justice Department decision to try Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the accused mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, in New York City is “great” for Al Qaeda.

“One of their top people will be given the opportunity — courtesy of the United States government and the Obama administration — to have a platform from which they can espouse this hateful ideology that they adhere to,” he said. “I think it’s likely to give encouragement — aid and comfort — to the enemy.”

The former vice president is splitting his time among his houses in Virginia, in Wyoming and on Maryland’s Eastern Shore, with a place at each for working on his memoir, to be published in the spring of 2011. His eldest daughter, former Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Liz Cheney, is collaborating on the writing and overseeing research.

During the campaign, Cheney recalled, he saw Obama as “sort of a mainline, traditional Democrat — liberal, from the liberal wing of the party.” But Cheney said he is increasingly persuaded by the notion that Obama “doesn’t believe in American exceptionalism — the idea that the United States is a special nation, that we are the greatest, freest nation mankind has ever known.”

“When I see the way he operates, I am increasingly convinced that he’s not as committed to or as wedded to that concept as most of the presidents I’ve known, Republican or Democrat,” he said. “I am worried. And I find as I get out around the country, a lot of other people are worried, too.”


Cheney said his worries extend to Obama’s domestic agenda: “He obviously has a very robust agenda of change — health care system, cap and trade, redistribution of wealth. I rarely hear him talk about the private sector.”

Cheney charged that Obama’s plans for Afghanistan are based on political calculations by “a guy who campaigned from one end of the country to the other, saying Afghanistan was the good war ... so that he could come across as somebody who’s not against all wars.”

“Now, things have changed. Iraq’s going significantly better because of the decisions we made in the Bush administration — the surge and so forth,” the former vice president added. “And he’s having to deal, sort of up close and personal, with the Afghanistan situation. And it’s tough — it’s hard. ... Sometimes I have the feeling that they’re just figuring that out.”

Looking ahead to 2012, Cheney said the likely midterm congressional losses for Democrats next year “point in the direction of a very competitive situation in 2012 — a very respectable shot for the Republicans of taking back the presidency.”

“There’s a lot of churning and a lot of ferment out there in the party today, and that’s basically a healthy thing,” he said. “Our adversaries — our Democratic adversaries — like to be able to portray the Republican Party as a bunch of wingnuts — narrow based, always have some agenda that’s not attractive to the public. ... That’s easier for them, and more fun, than dealing with their own problems. And I think their problems are significant.”

Cheney said “it’s far too soon to be handicapping” his party’s presidential nominee. “We’ve got a lot of folks, I’m sure, who will want to pursue it. I haven’t committed and don’t expect to anytime soon,” he said. “I think we’ve got a lot of interesting people in the Republican Party.”

Cheney at first declined to make any comment about Sarah Palin, but finally said: “I like her, personally. ... She’s charming, engaging. She’s got as much right to be out there as anybody else. Will she be a candidate at some point? How would she do as a candidate? Those are all questions that only time will tell.”

And what does he think about the movement to draft him to seek the top job himself?

Cheney says he sees no such scenario. “Why would I want to do that?” he replied. “It’s been a hell of a tour. I’ve loved it. I have no aspirations for further office.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/30024.html
 
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<font size="4"><center>An Open Letter to Michael Moore, and his Ilk</font size></center>


Dear Mr. Moore:

No one elected you to be president and while you have a right to voice your opinion, the fact that you can and do it abundantly (by making films that spread "YOUR" version of the truth), does not make your self-serving opinions RIGHT.

You said to the President:
"It is not your job to do what the generals tell you to do. We are a civilian-run government. WE tell the Joint Chiefs what to do, not the other way around. That's the way General Washington insisted it must be."​

I am surprised, Mr. Moore, that you fail to see the difference between receiving and considering professional advice and simply being dictated to. Perhaps, that is because YOUR OWN ADVICE in your letter to the President, Mr. Moore, is nothing more than YOU attempting to dictate what you believe to be the proper course of action, other opinion and the FACTS, notwithstanding.


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You also pointed out to the President, Mr. Moore, that :
". . . 30 years ago this past Thursday (Thanksgiving) the Soviet generals had a cool idea -- "Let's invade Afghanistan!" Well, that turned out to be the final nail in the USSR coffin."​

No doubt, Mr. Moore, the Soviet's invasion turned out badly. Oddly, at the time of the Soviet invasion, no one was using Afghani soil to plan and carry out terrorists attacks on mother Russia. Its was the Soviet's expansionist ideas that got them into trouble. You could make that argument, Mr. Moore, about Iraq -- but Afghanistan is a different matter -- and history already makes your argument suspect.

We've been in Afghanistan now for 8 years. It is without question, that the invasion virtually chased Al Qaeda and its host government, the Taliban, out of Afghanistan. In fact, most would argue the invasion was a success, at least up to the occurrence of two events: (a) allowing bin laden to escape Tora Bora; and (b) MOST IMPORTANTLY, turning our focus away from Afghanistan to the dreadful invasion of Iraq. In the interim 7 or 8 years, WE have allowed Afghanistan to become, what it has become and WE failed to do what we could have then to put Afghanistan in a posture where it was more unlikely that it could serve as a base for Al Qaeda, again.

The Soviets, Mr. Moore, never faced that possibility of success. Thats because, Mr. Moore, our goals and interest, are different.

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And why, Mr. Moore, have you decided to use a tactic that you yourself have criticized the Bush administration of using: FEAR. Thats right, isn't that exactly what you were doing when you wrote:
"With our economic collapse still in full swing and our precious young men and women being sacrificed on the altar of arrogance and greed, the breakdown of this great civilization we call America will head, full throttle, into oblivion if you become the "war president." Empires never think the end is near, until the end is here. Empires think that more evil will force the heathens to toe the line -- and yet it never works. The heathens usually tear them to shreds.​

Why do you use scare tactics, Mr. Moore, instead of reasoned logic ??? Is it because there is no substantial difference between Right-Wing Rhetoric and Left-Wing Rhetoric ??? They're both self-serving and neither tend to have the nation as a whole at heart, just the narrow interest of the left and right.


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Mr. Moore, you have also asked the President to:
"Choose carefully, President Obama. You of all people know that it doesn't have to be this way. You still have a few hours to listen to your heart, and your own clear thinking. You know that nothing good can come from sending more troops halfway around the world to a place neither you nor they understand, to achieve an objective that neither you nor they understand, in a country that does not want us there. You can feel it in your bones.​

This would be a good point, Mr. Moore, to volunteer your fat ass for duty. Obviously, you feel that Afghanistan cannot once again become a host to Al Qaeda, therefore, you should feel no compunction in moving your movie troops, en masse, to Afghanistan; setting up camp; and doing a movie on the virtues of Mullah Omar.

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Your potential decision to expand the war (while saying that you're doing it so you can "end the war") will do more to set your legacy in stone than any of the great things you've said and done in your first year. One more throwing a bone from you to the Republicans and the coalition of the hopeful and the hopeless may be gone -- and this nation will be back in the hands of the haters quicker than you can shout "tea bag!"​

Which ever way he goes on this, someone will be displeased. If he orders immediate withdrawal, those who believe we're inviting a re-generation of the Taliban-Al Qaeda nexus; is we put in more troops to do what should have been done 7 years ago, the anti-war nuts, freak out; and if he does nothing, he dithers. Seems to me, the man is looking to do the right thing, albeit a though thing, regardless.


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Choose carefully, Mr. President. Your corporate backers are going to abandon you as soon as it is clear you are a one-term president and that the nation will be safely back in the hands of the usual idiots who do their bidding. That could be Wednesday morning.​

Mr. Moore, seems you've sold your soul for a bunch of hamburgers and the popularity of your anti-war without-reason philosophy. Stop hating on others who don't share your sell-out views. Let's see if the President can put together a reasonable plan to make Afghanistan less likely to be a launching pad and get us the hell out of there, as soon as possible.


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QueEx
 
Re: Open Letter from Michael Moore to President Obama on Afghanistan + Cheney's argum

Because Obama has bent to the pressure of the power elite the ENTIRE debacle in Iraq and Afghanistan will be laid at his feet. I don't feel sorry for him...he is making this bed he gonna have to lay in it. That will be the legacy of his presidency. One who promised so much but folded on ending these pointless wars and on providing the greatest modern day benefit to the American people since social security. Sad but predictable. Time to wake up and realize we have ONE party...time to build and field a true independent mass party that represents the people and not one tenth of one percent of them.
 
Re: Open Letter from Michael Moore to President Obama on Afghanistan + Cheney's argum

Don't you just love how the left turns on its own like that. Nice post que...
 
Re: Open Letter from Michael Moore to President Obama on Afghanistan + Cheney's argum

He hasn't been in office one year and white boys are blaming him for every problem they created. If that isn't bad enough they don't seem to have any shame, remorse or guilt about it. It's like they live in a another universe.
 
Re: Open Letter from Michael Moore to President Obama on Afghanistan + Cheney's argum

He hasn't been in office one year and white boys are blaming him for every problem they created. If that isn't bad enough they don't seem to have any shame, remorse or guilt about it. It's like they live in a another universe.

So he shouldn't get the same treatment Bush/Clinton/any other president we have had in history?
 
Re: Open Letter from Michael Moore to President Obama on Afghanistan + Cheney's argum

He hasn't been in office one year and white boys are blaming him for every problem they created.

IMO, it's not about "white boys blaming him for every problem created", he campaigned on "change" but we are still continuing the "Bush" Agenda. He has a position where he can affect change but ask yourself, honestly, What has been done since the election? We want him to correct the mistakes of the last 10 yrs, not continue them! But I might be asking too much.

We still got NAFTA
We still got warantless wiretaps
We still got Bernanke - print, print, print!
We still in Iraq, Afghanistan & wit Pakistan on deck
the list goes on! Thats just highlighting monetary, foreign & domestic policies.

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Re: Open Letter from Michael Moore to President Obama on Afghanistan + Cheney's argum

When are we going to wake and understand Obama is no different than W.Bush. We have to stop looking at the color of his skin and see him for who he is which is a Puppet of the NWO and he is going to bring an end to the USA as we know it poverty is on the rise unemloyment is going up, enless wars, spending money like carzy, and putting the USA more in debit, and turning America into a Socialist/Communist country and buring the constituiton right before our eyes.
He hasn't been in office one year and white boys are blaming him for every problem they created. If that isn't bad enough they don't seem to have any shame, remorse or guilt about it. It's like they live in a another universe.
 
Re: Open Letter from Michael Moore to President Obama on Afghanistan + Cheney's argum

Don't you just love how the left turns on its own like that. Nice post que...

Since when was Obama on the "left" :hmm:

When are we going to wake and understand Obama is no different than W.Bush. We have to stop looking at the color of his skin and see him for who he is which is a Puppet of the NWO and he is going to bring an end to the USA as we know it poverty is on the rise unemloyment is going up, enless wars, spending money like carzy, and putting the USA more in debit, and turning America into a Socialist/Communist country and buring the constituiton right before our eyes.

With the power and influence of the corporate sector and the military the system the U.S. appears to be morphing into is fascist not socialist or communist. get your politics straight or you run the risk of sounding like one of those swift boat nuts.
 
Re: Open Letter from Michael Moore to President Obama on Afghanistan + Cheney's argum

Since when was Obama on the "left" :hmm:



With the power and influence of the corporate sector and the military the system the U.S. appears to be morphing into is fascist not socialist or communist. get your politics straight or you run the risk of sounding like one of those swift boat nuts.

I wasn't talking about Obama. I was talking about his "supporter" Michael Moore. However, since you wanna make ignorant statements like that, if Michael Moore supported him *Obama* what does that say about Obama himself? Wouldn't that make him a part of the left? Oh wait, I forgot, the left doesn't exists. There's only your side and the far right..... *that's how many left wingnuts think....I'm just saying*
 
Re: Open Letter from Michael Moore to President Obama on Afghanistan + Cheney's argum

When are we going to wake and understand Obama is no different than W.Bush. We have to stop looking at the color of his skin and see him for who he is which is a Puppet of the NWO and he is going to bring an end to the USA as we know it poverty is on the rise unemloyment is going up, enless wars, spending money like carzy, and putting the USA more in debit, and turning America into a Socialist/Communist country and buring the constituiton right before our eyes.

We have already awakened to find there are those who can only view the world through paranoid lenses and dream of constant and recurring conspiracies. For those, it seems no amount of analysis, no amount of reason, and no amount of common sense can shake the burdeniing paranoia.

QueEx
 
Re: Open Letter from Michael Moore to President Obama on Afghanistan + Cheney's argum

IMO, it's not about "white boys blaming him for every problem created", he campaigned on "change" but we are still continuing the "Bush" Agenda. He has a position where he can affect change but ask yourself, honestly, What has been done since the election? We want him to correct the mistakes of the last 10 yrs, not continue them! But I might be asking too much.

We still got NAFTA
We still got warantless wiretaps
We still got Bernanke - print, print, print!
We still in Iraq, Afghanistan & wit Pakistan on deck
the list goes on! Thats just highlighting monetary, foreign & domestic policies.


We are changing. The world is transitioning from the 'white anglo saxon' worldview. We are entering a multi ethnic world where there is no real super power. Some, but not all, whites cannot understand or adapt to this change.

There are some serious risks involved here. World governments and institutions are not the only players anymore. Terrorism, drug lords, and organized crime have as much influence and power as presidents. Obama has to move slowly, one misstep could be fatal, but if he is right there will be a change for the better no more supers as in super rich or powerful, everybody will have the same opportunies.
 
Re: Open Letter from Michael Moore to President Obama on Afghanistan + Cheney's argum

I wasn't talking about Obama. I was talking about his "supporter" Michael Moore. However, since you wanna make ignorant statements like that, if Michael Moore supported him *Obama* what does that say about Obama himself? Wouldn't that make him a part of the left? Oh wait, I forgot, the left doesn't exists. There's only your side and the far right..... *that's how many left wingnuts think....I'm just saying*

You contradicting yourself Ahk. You said: "Don't you just love how the left turns on its own like that." You can only be referring to michael moore and Obama who else are we discussing? You go on here to say if Moore supported Obama "what does that say about Obama? wouldn't that make him part of the left?" Like I said since when was Obama part of the left?:hmm: He is only "left" to muh fuckas on the right nahmeen....is that you? the "left doesn't exist" ? :confused: who the fuck said that? the only nuts are those voting rich living poor muh fuckas with medicaid/medicare cards in their pockets or in their mommas purse yet talkin shit about "communist/gubment health care"...can't even spell communist let along define it, and supporting wars they either have no intention of fighting themselves nor can they explain why the wars are being fought to begin with. is that you?
 
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Given the recent decision to begin the drawndown in Afghanistan,

this might be a good time to resurrect this thread from the archihves


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Re: Open Letter from Michael Moore to President Obama on Afghanistan + Cheney's argum

Gotta respect Michael Moore but I'm sorry, either he's getting paid off to not tell people what is REALLY going on, or he just is ill informed.

Weird, because he exposed the fact that corporations pretty much control who gets elected and what gets done...

War is USA's # export and makes Cotton (our previous cash crop and #1 export) look like a walk in the park. While it costs a lot for war...the profits from war line the pockets of greedy men who could give a shit less about picking sides because the US will always win...meaning DC is WINNING while citizens are putting their lives on the line to DEFEND this country

:lol:

As long as our leaders keep scaring people with War talk, and possible countries that might want to invade and kill us...they can legitimately justify sending over our youths (who really would have a hard time finding jobs at home anyway) so their heads can be blown off while they take out innocent families including children


Why is so much emphasis put on a President being Christian?

Well, you've seen the Muslim propaganda in this country. We've been programmed since a very young age to look at them as people who come over and don't have to pay taxes, and as criminals and terrorists.

Mark my words


A false flag attack is right around the corner because at this point, the powers that be aren't exactly what we would imagine them to look like.

While Politicians are great at PUTTING ON A SHOW, they really have the tiniest bit of influence on POLICY in NATIONAL POLITICS


Michael Moore raises great points, but Obama is not the cause of everything, just like Bush wasn't, or Clinton. George Bush Sr. well that's another story. Either way, since the introduction of the Federal Reserve, we have been living off of credit. The Federal Reserve was put into play to cause confusion, and keep people in debt forever until the day they die.

This is why it is important to pay your credit card bills asap while payment plans can be set up for mortgage and some forms of insurance. High interest rates aren't going anywhere just like phony politicians won't.
 
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Gotta respect Michael Moore but I'm sorry, either he's getting paid off to not tell people what is REALLY going on, or he just is ill informed.

Interesting insights, D.I. Thanks for your points.


Weird, because he exposed the fact that corporations pretty much control who gets elected and what gets done...

War is USA's # export and makes Cotton (our previous cash crop and #1 export) look like a walk in the park. While it costs a lot for war...the profits from war line the pockets of greedy men who could give a shit less about picking sides because the US will always win...meaning DC is WINNING while citizens are putting their lives on the line to DEFEND this country

:lol:

C'mon now; don't hold out on us. Name em !!! Name em !!!


As long as our leaders keep scaring people with War talk, and possible countries that might want to invade and kill us... they can legitimately justify sending over our youths (who really would have a hard time finding jobs at home anyway) so their heads can be blown off while they take out innocent families including children

But, they volunteered to go, no ??? If they're volunteers, wouldn't they be paid whether sitting at home within the friendly confines of U.S. military base in California or Georgia -- just the same ???


Mark my words

A false flag attack is right around the corner because at this point, the powers that be aren't exactly what we would imagine them to look like.

Again, LOL, don't hold out on us; tell us what you're seeing thats pointing to a false flag attack. Hell, LOL, I'd like to be able to get out of the way, too !!!


QueEx
 
Re: Open Letter from Michael Moore to President Obama on Afghanistan + Cheney's argum

We are changing. The world is transitioning from the 'white anglo saxon' worldview. We are entering a multi ethnic world where there is no real super power. Some, but not all, whites cannot understand or adapt to this change.

Now, we're at war with Somalia. What's that, the 6th War now?

1. Afghanistan
2. Iraq
3. Pakistan
4. Yemen
5. Libya
6. Somalia

The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.
--Sen. Barack Obama, December 20, 2007
 
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Now, we're at war with Somalia. What's that, the 6th War now?

1. Afghanistan
2. Iraq
3. Pakistan
4. Yemen
5. Libya
6. Somalia


--Sen. Barack Obama, December 20, 2007

Irony
 
Re: Open Letter from Michael Moore to President Obama on Afghanistan + Cheney's argum

Don't you just love how the left turns on its own like that. Nice post que...


Unlike whatever Fuer the Republicans follow in lock step or should I say goose step.
 
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