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Well if you can tell em, I can too !!!
I don't recall a public hearing yet where citizens voiced serious objection to one of those deals.
Yeah, there have been instances of professional teams applying pressure to get arenas built, in whole or in part, using public funds - - but you have to weigh the benefits and burdens in each case to see whether it makes sense as many of those professional teams generate local revenue as well which benefit schools, hospitals and public infrastructure. But, arena deals are sort of disbursed across the spectrum whereever sports teams are located, aren't they?Billionaires and millionaires use these tactics to get the public to pay for professional sports venues, while schools, hospitals, infrastructures and public transportion are in woeful need.
It seems the south is more susceptible to this type of coercion.
Well if you can tell em, I can too !!!
Seriously, I live and practice in a southern state as well. I do a lot of municipal work and I've helped several cities set up and fund incentives and I can attest, as you say, someone pays.
In many cases, the incentives are exceptions to state constitutional prohibitions against financing private development with public dollars, therefore, properly noticed public hearings must be held to fully disclose the transactions. I don't recall a public hearing yet where citizens voiced serious objection to one of those deals.
Yeah, there have been instances of professional teams applying pressure to get arenas built, in whole or in part, using public funds - - but you have to weigh the benefits and burdens in each case to see whether it makes sense as many of those professional teams generate local revenue as well which benefit schools, hospitals and public infrastructure. But, arena deals are sort of disbursed across the spectrum whereever sports teams are located, aren't they?
I remember the sports-arena/public-dollar debate going on a few years ago in Minnesota where public funds helped build the Twins stadium -- about the same time as that Iinterstate 35 bridge collapsed -- but I don't think there was a causal relationship between the lack of public funds for maintenance on the I-35 bridge and use of public funds to build that stadium. (I could be mistaken though).
Billionaires and millionaires use these tactics to get the public to pay for professional sports venues, while schools, hospitals, infrastructures and public transportion are in woeful need.
I'm curious Thought1, what "tactics" do they use?
For one, paying people like yourself to post.
whats wrong Thought?
Anyways, back to the question....What "tactics" are you referring to?
if tax cuts helped so much why did a decade of lower and lower taxes end with such an economic and financial disaster?
Because the Federal Govt increased its spending. It's not a revenue problem its a spending problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&feature=related
I don't take sides I look at the facts. There was factors in play long before Bush took office that help cause this recession. Add on the things Bush did do and you have the mess we are in now.
Also you can't compare tax breaks given to companies by the states to entice companies to move/build there as the same for what the Federal Govt does. In the long run those new factories are bringing in more jobs and money to the areas. In Atlanta we are now within 6 hours of 7 auto assembly plants.
Because the Federal Govt increased its spending. It's not a revenue problem its a spending problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&feature=related
I don't take sides I look at the facts. There was factors in play long before Bush took office that help cause this recession. Add on the things Bush did do and you have the mess we are in now.
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Because the Federal Govt increased its spending. It's not a revenue problem its a spending problem.
- Thomas Jefferson"I wish it were possible to obtain a single amendment to our constitution - taking from the federal government their power of borrowing."
- Thomas Jefferson"If the American people ever allow private banks [The Federal Reserve] to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation then by deflation, the banks and the corporations [Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, GE, WalMart] will grow up around them, will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
Because the Federal Govt increased its spending. It's not a revenue problem its a spending problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&feature=related
I don't take sides I look at the facts. There was factors in play long before Bush took office that help cause this recession. Add on the things Bush did do and you have the mess we are in now.
Also you can't compare tax breaks given to companies by the states to entice companies to move/build there as the same for what the Federal Govt does. In the long run those new factories are bringing in more jobs and money to the areas. In Atlanta we are now within 6 hours of 7 auto assembly plants.
Tax cuts that aren't paid for = tax expenditures. Those cuts had little to no stimulative effects.
Finally, my point is that your ideology of providing tax cuts, the vast majority of which are claimed by people who end up saving that money rather than spending it and stimulating the economy, has been proven to be an abject failure.
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My ideology is that the Fed Govt spends too much. Bush put into play the tax cuts, the prescription plan, the wars, and other costly programs without funding them. Of course the deficit went up. Also I don't remember the democrats raising too much hell about his budget proposals. So therefore I place some blame with them too. Most people don't realize that the Bush tax cuts for the 'rich' were actually tax cuts for everyone. The rich got more because they pay more in taxes. Check out this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj7nRc3_EG0&feature=player_embedded
This is what the tax debate sounds like...![]()
My ideology is that the Fed Govt spends too much. Bush put into play the tax cuts, the prescription plan, the wars, and other costly programs without funding them. Of course the deficit went up. Also I don't remember the democrats raising too much hell about his budget proposals. So therefore I place some blame with them too. Most people don't realize that the Bush tax cuts for the 'rich' were actually tax cuts for everyone. The rich got more because they pay more in taxes. Check out this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj7nRc3_EG0&feature=player_embedded
This is what the tax debate sounds like...![]()
[Gunner], I take it that you're in agreement with government intervention, i.e., offering of taxpayer funded incentives to corporations, to boost economic development ???
Again,
[Gunner], I take it that you're in agreement with government intervention, i.e., offering of taxpayer funded incentives to corporations, to boost economic development ???
I take it that you're in agreement with government intervention, i.e., offering of taxpayer funded incentives to corporations, to boost economic development ???
You committed voter fraud ?There is a democrat mayor who is pro business who runs a neighboring city close to mine. Very good mayor I might add. He won both elections with help from several thousands republicans. I voted for him twice!! Normally, his policies are widely accepted. But his policy on bringing some sort of water park/ amusement area to the downtown area has went down in flames twice. What irks myself and other voters is that he wants to use public funds to give this project life.
You committed voter fraud ?
You'd have to know our crazy laws. Within my parish there are several neighboring cities. Well my city is able to vote for the metropolitan mayor but they cant vote for ours. It's rather stupid I agree. Every few years someone challenges it. It fails due to the Metro's need for our tax dollars.
Southern democracy at its best! And in 2011 to boot.
I guess the repubs havent kicked all the dems out yet even 100 years after they took over. Someday.
It's coming. A lot of switchacrats claiming the democrats left them.
Excellent question QueEx! I've been watchin the thread & no one wants to answer. Well, this is my take; It is govt. intervention, corporate welfare! This is what differentiates Ron Paul from Romney, Bachmann, Cain, Obama, Biden etc. This type of intervention distorts the free market. Think about it; In a true free market, there would be no need for Corker, McConnell & Shelby to offer incentives to relocate. The company would just do it because it is a sound business decision.
This, my friend, is the difference between Capitalism & Corporatism.
Why do people keep lying for Paul? He's in favor of corporate welfare too. He has voted consistently for the Big Energy subsidies. I know he can double talk it to death but he voted against repealing them. That's corporate welfare.
DEMOCRATS MADWISC GOVERNOR SIGNS BALANCED BUDGET ON TIME WITHOUT RAISING TAXES
Blaze/AP) Republican Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker signed his first budget Sunday, a two-year $66 billion deal that will balance the state’s $3 billion shortfall without raising taxes. Balancing the budget without raising taxes fulfills a campaign pledge, and Gov. Walker was able to accomplish this prior to the new fiscal year starting July 1. The budget passed without the support of a single Democrat in the Legislature.DEMOCRATS MAD
“He released just 50 vetoes early Sunday morning, signaling the Republican-controlled Legislature had given him almost everything he wanted when lawmakers revised the document. Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle issued 81 vetoes with the 2009-11 budget, his last before leaving office.
‘As a state, we can choose to take the easy road and push off the tough decisions and pass the buck to future generations, or we can step up to the plate and make the tough decisions today,’ Walker said in prepared remarks. ‘Our budget chooses to fix our problems now, so that our children and our grandchildren don’t face the same challenges we face today.’”
To find the state out of the fiscal quagmire which he inherited, Gov. Walker had to make major cuts including shaving $1.85 billion from education and $500 million in unspecified Medicaid programs. The budget expands Milwaukee’s school voucher program to suburban schools in Milwaukee County and the city of Racine.
Gov. Walker signed the budget before a crowd of about 100 people in Green Bay, with a few hundred protesters gathered outside chanting “Shame!“ and ”Recall Walker!” reports the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Democrats have criticized the budget as an attack on middle class values since it cuts funding for public schools and tax credits for poor people.Wisconsin is scheduled to have recall elections in August that could result in Democrats gaining a majority in the Senate and with it power to block Walker and the GOP’s agenda in the future.