*Face Off: Wladimir Klitschko Vs David Haye*
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Wlad will put him to sleep in the late rds IMO...or Haye will be running for his life for a UD in favor of Wlad...Haye is naturally smaller...& has to go head on with the power Wlad has to actually score some pts or damage....
since Stewart got to him & revamped his style...Wlad is tall & unlike Paul Williams fights tall & still has the power to put you out....
it will be hard to get to his chin...nobody has since Stewart got there....
honestly I like the Klits. Brothers (especially Vitali the better of the two)
they don't just beat you up they break your will then they grind you down for that vicious KO if your not running in survival mode......
Wlad will put him to sleep in the late rds IMO...or Haye will be running for his life for a UD in favor of Wlad...Haye is naturally smaller...& has to go head on with the power Wlad has to actually score some pts or damage....
since Stewart got to him & revamped his style...Wlad is tall & unlike Paul Williams fights tall & still has the power to put you out....
it will be hard to get to his chin...nobody has since Stewart got there....
honestly I like the Klits. Brothers (especially Vitali the better of the two)
they don't just beat you up they break your will then they grind you down for that vicious KO if your not running in survival mode......
I like Vitali a lil, especially after that Lewis fight but Vlad can kiss my ass. That whole jab and grab shit is bitch fighting especially when you're so much bigger and more skilled than your opponents and considering the quality of the guys he's faced, it doesn't say much for him. Dude is mad boring and hasn't he quit on his stool before? I'm pretty sure that's when I lost all respect for that big caveman lookin ass nicca.
I don't even believe in nothin but I hope to GOD Haye puts that dude's head out. Not as dudes mind you, I think they are both great representatives of the sport, but I don't like Vlad as a fighter, Vitali got heart though.
I like Vitali a lil, especially after that Lewis fight but Vlad can kiss my ass. That whole jab and grab shit is bitch fighting especially when you're so much bigger and more skilled than your opponents and considering the quality of the guys he's faced, it doesn't say much for him. Dude is mad boring and hasn't he quit on his stool before? I'm pretty sure that's when I lost all respect for that big caveman lookin ass nicca.
that was Vitali against Byrd he claimed to have a shoulder injury....
respect your opinion IMO they sell out stadiums in germany which makes them good for overall Boxing...Wlads styles isn't so crowd pleasing...but again since Stewart has been with him he pushes the action more....Stewart & Wlad actually had arguments in the corner cuz Stewart is pushing for KO's that Wlad can get with ease if he pushes the action...
you have a powerful....tall....naturally bigger & motivated Wlad...who wants to KO Haye badly...its going to happen unless Haye runs away which I see happening...
are they comparable to Holmes...Lewis...even Holyfield no...but I've watch their fights & its okay sometimes entertaining....
Vitali has a unquestioned chin & is more willing to mix it up than his younger brother....maybe because I'm a tall cat I'm bias (my boy said this
)bad ambassadors of the sport I won't say that bruh...its unfortunate the Heavies are shit now...so you won't see the best they have to offer...& at least they are willing to fight whoever hell Adamek pulled out a fight too
...they sell out stadiums in Europe....I don't think thats bad for Boxing...
that was Vitali against Byrd he claimed to have a shoulder injury....
respect your opinion IMO they sell out stadiums in germany which makes them good for overall Boxing...Wlads styles isn't so crowd pleasing...but again since Stewart has been with him he pushes the action more....Stewart & Wlad actually had arguments in the corner cuz Stewart is pushing for KO's that Wlad can get with ease if he pushes the action...
you have a powerful....tall....naturally bigger & motivated Wlad...who wants to KO Haye badly...its going to happen unless Haye runs away which I see happening...
are they comparable to Holmes...Lewis...even Holyfield no...but I've watch their fights & its okay sometimes entertaining....
Vitali has a unquestioned chin & is more willing to mix it up than his younger brother....maybe because I'm a tall cat I'm bias (my boy said this
bad ambassadors of the sport I won't say that bruh...its unfortunate the Heavies are shit now...so you won't see the best they have to offer...& at least they are willing to fight whoever hell Adamek pulled out a fight too
Go back Poet, I said they are both GREAT ambassadors of the sport.
Let's just say, Vlad isn't my cup of tea, I remember when Harold Lederman called out Vlad on his boring ass style of boxing and how he gets away with holding every 2 seconds, and Lampley and Kellerman or Merchant tried to shut him down. You're much bigger, more talented, because he is talented, and can ko pretty much anyone at the weight with one punch, but dudes style is bitch imo. Especially when yout ake into account that he's a heavyweight. People don't pay to see jab and grab contests against fat and out of shape opponents who like Haye said, are just there to pick up a check and not make any waves. This is why them dudes will never be stars in the states. Germany of course, they love for their white fighters to be up there and stay there, remember Sven Ottke? Even Haye were to beat him on points, he has to KO duke to get the win. I still see Vlad winning this fight but it really wouldn't surprise me if Haye did win. Everything Haye said about Vlad always being in a comfort zone and allowed to fight his fight and never having fought anyone with the combo of speed and power is true. He also DID get in Vlad's head.BTW I'm 6'3" so I guess that makes me lean more toward the REAL or I should say classic heavyweights like Ali, Holmes and even the body type that Haye has. Vitali and Lennox and them dudes are super heavyweight brontasaurus type niccas.
I like Vitali a lil, especially after that Lewis fight but Vlad can kiss my ass. That whole jab and grab shit is bitch fighting especially when you're so much bigger and more skilled than your opponents and considering the quality of the guys he's faced, it doesn't say much for him. Dude is mad boring and hasn't he quit on his stool before? I'm pretty sure that's when I lost all respect for that big caveman lookin ass nicca.
He's got to do it in a way that there's no rematch. Lewis won't let Vlad lose twice to the same guy.
That second video didn't show either of them in a favourable light!!!
He's got to do it in a way that there's no rematch. Lewis won't let Vlad lose twice to the same guy.
Nope, if Haye gets the win then it's on to Vitali, who I really don't see him beating but speed kills especially when you couple it with power and neither brother has fought a heavyweight with the speed and power that Haye has. I still think being a guy Haye's size and being fast and powerful will beat a big powerful dude. Maybe I'm behind the times.
I just always picture smallish Jersey Joe Walcott fighting that big 6'7" German heavyweight, can't recall his name right now, and putting an ass whupping on that boi. When you're talking about heavyweights, size matters less than a combo of speed, skill and power. But Haye's chin is the whole question mark here. I think dudes chin is Charmin.
Go back Poet, I said they are both GREAT ambassadors of the sport.
BTW I'm 6'3" so I guess that makes me lean more toward the REAL or I should say classic heavyweights like Ali, Holmes and even the body type that Haye has. Vitali and Lennox and them dudes are super heavyweight brontasaurus type niccas.
Oh my fault bruh I misread your post....
I agree he fights way too soft for the power he has....
Haye dominated a pretty weak CW division & was always too small for the Heavies....I just don't see him sustaining his speed throughout the fight....he has to get in there & get out because he doesn't want to trade with a longer....stronger man....I just don't see that happening enough to see a victory....especially after he feels a straight right from Wlad enough times...
he is too undersized for these huge HW's....which is why he backed out of fights numerous times with both brothers....I will say this he has a better chance with Wlad than Vitali who is taller & much more battle tested than his brother....
for haye to really have a chance he has to turn this fight to a brawl....Wlad had terrible footwork...he needs to set his feet to really punch since he fights so tall...maybe if Haye smothers him or bullies him enough I can see him pulling this off...but even bigger men have tried & failed....
That second video didn't show either of them in a favourable light!!!
it shows their worst defeats & biggest wins....the both have improved tremedously....
Oh my fault bruh I misread your post....
I agree he fights way too soft for the power he has....
Haye dominated a pretty weak CW division & was always too small for the Heavies....I just don't see him sustaining his speed throughout the fight....he has to get in there & get out because he doesn't want to trade with a longer....stronger man....I just don't see that happening enough to see a victory....especially after he feels a straight right from Wlad enough times...
he is too undersized for these huge HW's....which is why he backed out of fights numerous times with both brothers....I will say this he has a better chance with Wlad than Vitali who is taller & much more battle tested than his brother....
for haye to really have a chance he has to turn this fight to a brawl....Wlad had terrible footwork...he needs to set his feet to really punch since he fights so tall...maybe if Haye smothers him or bullies him enough I can see him pulling this off...but even bigger men have tried & failed....
I agree with pretty much everything you say, also lets not forget that Haye's chin is suspect as well. Haye has to use angles for the reason you mentioned, Vlad's mechanical footwork. Another key will be Haye's jab, he can't pump out there in rhythmn, Vlad's timing is very good and he will time a right hand over it if Haye stays flat and pumps a jab out there. Haye has to keep moving an pump an off beat jab, sorta like Marco Antonio Barrera used to do. He can never allow himself to actually be in front of Vlad, he'll either have to stay one step ahead to the left or right and he has the speed and footwork to do it, but like you said, can he sustain it. And when he's a step ahead to the left and right, he'll need to land some quick hooks and move again, frustrate and piss Vlad off, I'd even talk to him if things are going my way, tell him how slow he is, and ask if that's as hard as he can hit, take a page from the Ali/Foreman fight
We know Vlad has had stamina issues before, and if he's the one who gets tired first, he'll be in big trouble with Haye's speed and footwork. Because if Haye meets Vlad head on it will be self murder. If he does that shit, he's finished. Now if he gets Vlad hurt first, he needs to chill and keep on breaking him down unless Vlad is SERIOUSLY hurt, then he needs to go all out. He also really should watch Pacquiao/De La Hoya.
I agree with pretty much everything you say, also lets not forget that Haye's chin is suspect as well. Haye has to use angles for the reason you mentioned, Vlad's mechanical footwork. Another key will be Haye's jab, he can't pump out there in rhythmn, Vlad's timing is very good and he will time a right hand over it if Haye stays flat and pumps a jab out there. Haye has to keep moving an pump an off beat jab, sorta like Marco Antonio Barrera used to do. He can never allow himself to actually be in front of Vlad, he'll either have to stay one step ahead to the left or right and he has the speed and footwork to do it, but like you said, can he sustain it. And when he's a step ahead to the left and right, he'll need to land some quick hooks and move again, frustrate and piss Vlad off, I'd even talk to him if things are going my way, tell him how slow he is, and ask if that's as hard as he can hit, take a page from the Ali/Foreman fight
valid pts bruh...
I got Wlad Ko/Tko late Rds...
valid pts bruh...
I got Wlad Ko/Tko late Rds...
Going by Haye's questionable chin, I'd say if he gets hurt first, he's finished.
Almost C/S. Haye could make this a very easy fight for himself. Get in and get out quickly with combos, circle him and stay moving. Vlad and his brother have a lethal 1-2, but you take away their jab which most slow ass heavyweights can't do..and they are left with not many tools.
Oh and on a sidenote: Vlad was MAD than a MOTHERFUCKA!!!
yeah man....
I really think this could be a decent HW fight.....look at Pascal Vs. Hopkins....alot of animosity led to a good ass fight....
yeah man....
I really think this could be a decent HW fight.....look at Pascal Vs. Hopkins....alot of animosity led to a good ass fight....
It's a shame he's prolly gonna lose, because I can imagine if he won, we'd have an instant boxing superstar. With the speed, the power and that smart mouth, dude could sell A LOT of fights and get people really excited about the HW division even if he was fighting and beating bums which is all their is now except for Haye, the K brothers and Tomasz Adamek. The Klitschko's even though they conduct themselves well and represent the sport, lack the charisma and look of a David Haye. Damn
If he had a Vitali-type chin, I'd have to favor him over either brother. Now if it turns out that he CAN take a shot from Vlad and keep coming, we should be in for an EXCELLENT fight.
It's a shame he's prolly gonna lose, because I can imagine if he won, we'd have an instant boxing superstar. With the speed, the power and that smart mouth, dude could sell A LOT of fights and get people really excited about the HW division even if he was fighting and beating bums which is all their is now except for Haye, the K brothers and Tomasz Adamek. The Klitschko's even though they conduct themselves well and represent the sport, lack the charisma and look of a David Haye. Damn
I won't front Haye is way better for the HW division...his charisma crowd pleasing style would make him an instant star....Britain would lose their mind
imagine the hype if there was a rematch if he beats Wlad
I just want to see a good fight...I like watching Big guys throwing punches...thats what the world wants to see...no hugging shit....
this fight has some potential....
I won't front Haye is way better for the HW division...his charisma crowd pleasing style would make him an instant star....Britain would lose their mind
imagine the hype if there was a rematch if he beats Wlad
I just want to see a good fight...I like watching Big guys throwing punches...thats what the world wants to see...no hugging shit....
this fight has some potential....
Agree 100%. If it's a good/great fight, no matter who wins, it's a win for boxing.
yep....
Wlad by decapitation....
yup...
I remember one of the first 24/7 on HBO and Oscar kinda ran away from Pac man and I told my boy
"you see that, he just lost the fight"
I bet him $20 and BOOM...
mental game is VERY important, he hates that man and him not shaking hands
remember that the night of the fight!
Agree 100%. If it's a good/great fight, no matter who wins, it's a win for boxing.
yup...
I remember one of the first 24/7 on HBO and Oscar kinda ran away from Pac man and I told my boy
"you see that, he just lost the fight"
I bet him $20 and BOOM...
mental game is VERY important, he hates that man and him not shaking hands
remember that the night of the fight!
...No dancin...no huggin...
I am rooting for David Haye on this fight as I want to see him beat both Klitschko brothers...The best that I have seen from both of them from recent years was when Wlad knocked Calvin Brock out on his feet a few years back. Other than that it has been boring blowouts...
I C/S and will also say IMO the two Klitschko brothers should never loose if they continue to use their size reach POWER and Speed they both have..well at least on paper..HOWEVER...for some reason i feel an upset is in the making here. For as long as Haye can take leather in the face he will have a Speed and punchers chance cuz as big as they are their Chin is is weaker than most guys their size. IMO if they had the Chin of say a Foreman or Ali..
for all the other current Heavy weights.EXCEPT guys like Haye that have speed,good movement/footwork like a david Haye type fighters.
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Oh and on a sidenote: Vlad was MAD than a MOTHERFUCKA!!!
im just now watching this shit...he was mad a fuck
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