What can Cotto do different on Dec 3? Cotto vs Margarito

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Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito, who waged a blistering -- and ultimately controversial -- slugfest in 2008, will meet in a rematch on Dec. 3, Top Rank promoter Bob Arum told ESPN.com.

Arum said he has deals with both sides, although the paperwork is not complete. Representatives for both fighters also said that they have accepted the fight and are in the process of finalizing agreements with Arum.

"We're on board and moving forward," Sergio Diaz, Margarito's co-manager said. "We've met with Bob. We want the fight. Cotto wants the fight. We're just finishing everything."

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When Arum was in Puerto Rico last week to announce the signing of junior lightweight Luis Cruz to a co-promotional deal between Top Rank and Cotto's promotional company, he met with Gaby Penagaricano, Cotto's attorney.

"In our meeting, we had the opportunity to discuss all aspects of the Cotto-Margarito II deal," Penagaricano said. "Although we no doubt made progress, there are some aspects that will require further discussion (but) Miguel is certainly happy and even looking forward to having the opportunity to avenge his first loss."

The fight, for Cotto's junior middleweight title, will take place either at New York's Madison Square Garden or the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Arum said.

"We need to hammer out the site and we're doing an analysis now of New York and Las Vegas," Arum said. "The costs are so high in New York. The unions will kill you in New York."

Margarito is lucky he is able to fight after suffering a severe injury to his right eye during his lopsided decision loss to Manny Pacquiao in November. In that bout, Margarito suffered a broken orbital bone and also developed a large cataract in the right eye as a result of Pacquiao's repeated blows.

Arum hoped to make the rematch first in July and then in September, but the date was pushed deeper into the year so Margarito, who had surgery to remove the cataract in mid-May, could continue his recovery. The orbital bone has healed, Diaz said.

Diaz said that Margarito was originally told he could continue to box only as long as he didn't have cataract surgery, but that the blurry vision in his right eye would not improve. Diaz said at that point, Margarito strongly considered surgery and retirement.

"(His vision) was pretty bad, really blurry," Diaz said.

But Arum suggested that Margarito visit an eye specialist he had once seen. So Margarito arranged to visit Dr. Alan Crandall in Salt Lake City about two months ago.

"He told us Antonio's problem was very fixable and not a career-ending injury," Diaz said. "Antonio had pretty much accepted the fact that he would have surgery and have to retire. But they did this different kind of surgery that day, a half-hour surgery. They removed the cataract and put in a new lens. His vision is a whole lot better and will continue to get better. We have to do a minor laser surgery in a couple of weeks, but Antonio is going to be fine. He has been released to continue his career."

Like the first fight, the sequel will be on pay-per-view, although the company that will handle the event -- HBO or Showtime -- has not been determined. HBO PPV produced and distributed the first fight (which generated approximately 450,000 buys), but Arum said the network that he makes a deal with for the rights to the Nov. 12 pay-per-view fight between Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez will also land Cotto-Margarito II.

The first fight was one of the most memorable battles of 2008 and one of best fights in the rich history of the Puerto Rico vs. Mexico rivalry.

"Cotto and Margarito can't help but be a terrific fight because of their styles," Arum said. "Margarito knows how to fight only one way, and that is to come straight ahead. Cotto has to be more intelligent this time and have more gas in the tank. I talked to Cotto about that and he said, 'There's one big difference for me in this fight as opposed to the first fight, the smart old guy in my corner.'"

Puerto Rico's Cotto was referring to Hall of Fame trainer Emanuel Steward, who has been with him for his past two fights.

In the first fight, Mexico's Margarito (38-7, 27 KOs) came on strong in the late rounds to stop Cotto (36-2, 29 KOs) in the 11th round of a bloody battle and take his welterweight belt on July 26, 2008 at the MGM Grand.

Margarito, who has lost two of his three fights since, was given tremendous credit for the victory as he ended Cotto's undefeated run. However, the win was eventually tainted because before his next fight, against Shane Mosley, Margarito was caught in the dressing room trying to wear loaded hand wraps containing illegal pads coated in a plaster-like substance. Mosley eventually knocked Margarito out in the in the ninth round and Margarito subsequently had his license revoked.

Because Margarito had fought Cotto in his previous fight -- and administered significant facial damage to him late in the fight -- many suspected he had gotten away with wearing illegal hand wraps.

Margarito, 33, sat out for 16 months after the license revocation before moving up to junior middleweight. He returned in his native Mexico, where he was welcomed with open arms and won a decision against low-level opponent Robert Garcia.

The hand-wrap scandal continued to swirl around Margarito, who was not licensed to fight in the United States until Texas granted him one for a November bout against Pacquiao. In their fight for a vacant junior middleweight belt, Margarito lost a lopsided decision and suffered the injuries.

Diaz said Margarito was ready for the scrutiny that will accompany a rematch with Cotto and the questions about whether he cheated in the first fight.

"When I was sitting with Bob, we were talking about going to Puerto Rico on the press tour," Diaz said. "Antonio said he was prepared for anything. He said, 'I could go anywhere and people don't like me, but this is the business. I'm a fighter and I have to face people who don't like me. I love Puerto Rico and I have to be prepared for it.' When he told me that, I felt relieved. I've been with him since he was 18 and it bothers me, it hurts me (that many people believe he cheated against Cotto). But Antonio is a strong guy. He knows he didn't do anything wrong, but he also knows he has to answer the questions."

Cotto, 30, moved up to junior middleweight in June 2010 and stopped Yuri Foreman in the ninth round to win a 154-pound title, which he defended March 12 with a 12th-round TKO of former titleholder Ricardo Mayorga.

"I think the rematch will continue from the first fight," Diaz said. "Antonio is really excited about the fight. He knows it will be a war. Antonio knows it will be another exciting fight. Cotto is a tremendous fighter, a four-time world champion. Antonio's a three-time champion. There are a lot of skeptics out there to show that Antonio's win the first time was no fluke.

"If Antonio was questioning himself he wouldn't have taken this fight. A lot of fighters say, 'I beat him once why do I need to do it again?' But Antonio is ready to get back in the ring. The payday is always good and the thought of being retired, I could see in his face when hit him. He was like, 'I'm 32 (at the time) and I have to retire already?' He wasn't taking it good, so when he was told he could continue he said it was a blessing. This fight is a blessing."
 

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Avoid this fight and go fight a significant jr middleweight.

If Arum doesn't get this fight on HBO, I'd be surprised. All the shit CBS/Showtime were supposed to do for Pacquiao/Mosley didn't add up to much so why keep going to them when you still end up with the same buyrate instead of sticking with a proven winner in HBO?
 

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After Margarito's last performance, I'm surprised Arum thinks this is a ppv worthy fight. But then again, he did put Shane Mosley on ppv.
 

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They focused so much on how good Margarito's eye is in this article, you know it's just one punch away from falling out.:lol: I don't trust anything that Top Rank has to do with. Cheating fighters, a promoter who bribes judges...:smh:
 

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not get hit with hard plastered hands like he did before

That's true. But seriously. I like the fight for a few reasons. I like Cotto gets to take avenge on the guy that whopped his ass. The plaster talk is pointless cause it wasn't proven for the fight. Sure we can assume so. But Cotto's beatdown was typical of manny ass whopping we have seen in boxing before. So it really is a mute point to bring it up. I actually like Bob trying to get his boy another payday. To be frank loyalty like that is rarely seen in sports. I am not sure how this fight will play out. But if Antonio can channel a younger version of himself for the fight. It will be a good barometer of how far Cotto has come with Steward in his corner. A great showing my lead to him fighting Manny again. Which would be another fight to recover some of his pride that Cotto lost in the ring. I'm cool with this fight.
 

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That's true. But seriously. I like the fight for a few reasons. I like Cotto gets to take avenge on the guy that whopped his ass. The plaster talk is pointless cause it wasn't proven for the fight. Sure we can assume so. But Cotto's beatdown was typical of manny ass whopping we have seen in boxing before. So it really is a mute point to bring it up. I actually like Bob trying to get his boy another payday. To be frank loyalty like that is rarely seen in sports. I am not sure how this fight will play out. But if Antonio can channel a younger version of himself for the fight. It will be a good barometer of how far Cotto has come with Steward in his corner. A great showing my lead to him fighting Manny again. Which would be another fight to recover some of his pride that Cotto lost in the ring. I'm cool with this fight.

Man, Arum is doing this for him, not Margarito. He's getting all the money he can while he can out of Margarito. Cotto's a dummy for taking this fight where he gains little but risks a lot. Margarito isn't a contender while Cotto is a top jr middleweight who should be fighting other top jr middles, of which there are plenty.

Fight Manny again? They've said he's fought his last fight at jr middle and Cotto can't make welter so that fight shouldn't be made.
 

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Man, Arum is doing this for him, not Margarito. He's getting all the money he can while he can out of Margarito. Cotto's a dummy for taking this fight where he gains little but risks a lot. Margarito isn't a contender while Cotto is a top jr middleweight who should be fighting other top jr middles, of which there are plenty.

Fight Manny again? They've said he's fought his last fight at jr middle and Cotto can't make welter so that fight shouldn't be made.

Well I think Antonio and Cotto see things different from you guys. Cotto wants this fight. The risks are small compared to the revenge Cotto can get. For Antonio it is another payday. And a fight he feels he can be the man with the raised hand at the end. I understan it is a business but the fighters have pride. That is what will be driving this fight.

Why focus on Bob? He put together a compelling fight for fans. I am very interested in seeing it.
 

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Well I think Antonio and Cotto see things different from you guys. Cotto wants this fight. The risks are small compared to the revenge Cotto can get. For Antonio it is another payday. And a fight he feels he can be the man with the raised hand at the end. I understan it is a business but the fighters have pride. That is what will be driving this fight.

Why focus on Bob? He put together a compelling fight for fans. I am very interested in seeing it.

Pride is nice and Cotto could gain a measure of revenge but it doesn't help his standing when it comes to other champions to beat up on a washed up guy. Where's that pride?

Focus is on Bob because he's the puppetmaster. He hopes to put on a compelling enough fight to draw in some PR and Mexican fans. You would think he would respect Mexican boxing fans more than that. There are at least 5 guys in the jr middleweight division he could have made, or attempted to make, a compelling championship level fight for Cotto but he's still wringing the Margarito rag dry so he did that.
 

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Pride is nice and Cotto could gain a measure of revenge but it doesn't help his standing when it comes to other champions to beat up on a washed up guy. Where's that pride?

Focus is on Bob because he's the puppetmaster. He hopes to put on a compelling enough fight to draw in some PR and Mexican fans. You would think he would respect Mexican boxing fans more than that. There are at least 5 guys in the jr middleweight division he could have made, or attempted to make, a compelling championship level fight for Cotto but he's still wringing the Margarito rag dry so he did that.

Dave you are using too much sense to make this a fair argument. Arum has two guys to put in front of Martinez. Cotto said that he wouldn't allow Margarito to make money with him and he put his pride in the trash. The only justice that could be served is if Margarito is seriously injured or killed so he can't enjoy his dive money. Neither fighter is worth PPV.
 
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Pride is nice and Cotto could gain a measure of revenge but it doesn't help his standing when it comes to other champions to beat up on a washed up guy. Where's that pride?

Focus is on Bob because he's the puppetmaster. He hopes to put on a compelling enough fight to draw in some PR and Mexican fans. You would think he would respect Mexican boxing fans more than that. There are at least 5 guys in the jr middleweight division he could have made, or attempted to make, a compelling championship level fight for Cotto but he's still wringing the Margarito rag dry so he did that.

Ok. I think Cotto has been thinking about that loss for a long time. Plus he think Antonio cheated. It has all the makings for a great fight. Antonio has a few things going for him. He beat Cotto once. He lost his last fight but to the top boxer in the game. Also he has time to see how Cotto fights under Stewart. If he comes into the fight ready for battle he could win. That is a big if though.
 

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Dave you are using too much sense to make this a fair argument. Arum has two guys to put in front of Martinez. Cotto said that he wouldn't allow Margarito to make money with him and he his pride in the trash. The only justice that could be served is if Margarito is seriously injured or killed so he can't enjoy his dive money. Neither fighter is worth PPV.

I think Cotto could be worth ppv but with an equal or greater opponent. Not Antonio Margarito.
And if he loses this time, he's done as being taken seriously as a top guy for good.
 

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Ok. I think Cotto has been thinking about that loss for a long time. Plus he think Antonio cheated. It has all the makings for a great fight. Antonio has a few things going for him. He beat Cotto once. He lost his last fight but to the top boxer in the game. Also he has time to see how Cotto fights under Stewart. If he comes into the fight ready for battle he could win. That is a big if though.

I won't say it can't be good but it wouldn't mean anything in the grand scheme. So Cotto beat a washed up fighter who's a known cheater, how does that help him? And Margs lost his last two big fights and badly in both. How does he get rewarded with another ppv payday?
 

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I won't say it can't be good but it wouldn't mean anything in the grand scheme. So Cotto beat a washed up fighter who's a known cheater, how does that help him? And Margs lost his last two big fights and badly in both. How does he get rewarded with another ppv payday?


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That's true. But seriously. I like the fight for a few reasons. I like Cotto gets to take avenge on the guy that whopped his ass.

This is the ONLY reason this fight should happen. Margarito shouldnt even be licensed to box.
 

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Originally Posted by Upgrade Dave
I won't say it can't be good but it wouldn't mean anything in the grand scheme. So Cotto beat a washed up fighter who's a known cheater, how does that help him? And Margs lost his last two big fights and badly in both. How does he get rewarded with another ppv payday?

This is the ONLY reason this fight should happen. Margarito shouldnt even be licensed to box.

And that it should be a good fight. I wish I could act hollier than though and say I give a rat's ass. Or act like Bob is doing something incredibly wrong by putting on this fight. But I can't. It is just a boxing match. An intriguing one for me. I like seeing guys get pay back for a defeat. I am in the minority here. I don't have any sore feelings towards Bob. I like the fact he is giving both an opportunity to make money and settle an old score. This is a grudge match. I like that.

Bob is looking out for a fighter and friend. If he can help put money in his pocket and food on his table while at the same time doing the same for Cotto and giving Cotto a chance to redeem himself that is cool to me. I remember cats shitting on King. But he shit on his fighters and tossed them to the side once they were on the losing end. At least Bob isn't doing that. I will watch this fight. Because it is just as interesting as the Manny and JMM fight to me. The story behind both fights make the fights appealing. At least to me.
 

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This is the ONLY reason this fight should happen. Margarito shouldn't even be licensed to box.

It's ok though, since there's no proof. Only the fact that he got caught cheating once and the fact that Cotto had taken a lot of shots from Mosley in their fight - who is a harder natural puncher than Margarito - and finished that shane fight with scarce a mark on his face. That shit was a matter of about six rounds for Margarito to literally leave Cotto disfigured after that fight. Also he ko's Kermit Cintron, but a carbon copy of him with more power, Alfredo Angulo, couldn't even hurt Cintron. Dude is a disgrace to boxing and it's fitting he should fight under the Top Rank banner with a juicer and a promoter who is a known briber of officials.

http://ringtalk.com/bob-arum-enshrined-on-wall-of-shame
 
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you should have stopped there.

Of course, when it's something you cosign or feel good about, you ignore any evidence so I expect comments like that from you. How is Bob by the way? I know he's 80, so we shouldn't have to endure him for much longer anyway.
 

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Of course, when it's something you cosign or feel good about, you ignore any evidence so I expect comments like that from you. How is Bob by the way? I know he's 80, so we shouldn't have to endure him for much longer anyway.

Now you are just babbling. It is an interesting fight period. If you are a Cotto fan you will want to see him get payback. If you are an Antonio fan then you are looking to see him turn things around with a win. Me, I'm interested in seeing the fight for the reasons I mentioned earlier.

Cotto needs to keep Antonio from getting courage from power shots. If Antonio see his power effecting Cotto it probably is over. Because Cotto will get discourage thinking fight 2 is going to become a sequel. I can't wait to see what happens.
 

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Now you are just babbling. It is an interesting fight period. If you are a Cotto fan you will want to see him get payback.

If you're a Cotto fan like myself, you want him to build himself back up with real comp instead of the misfits of boxing tour that he has been taking and go after the top dog, Martinez. Margarito is a cheater that was literally caught red handed and you are the only person who thinks he is innocent when there is unquestionable proof. He gets booed when his image is shown at fights. If there is any lost for Cotto to avenge it would be against that questionable motherfucker, Goku but he doesn't have a chance against Manny... he would actually have better odds in my book against Martinez. Mayorga was the confidence builder, okay... so how about Angulo, Collazo and then Martinez... this is the logical progression that Cotto fans wanted to see. Same motherfucker was caping for Shane v Pac as an interesting fight...:smh: I know even talking boxing with you is more of a waste than spending money on a Top Rank PPV at this point, but even I will buy Pac v JMM so.......
 
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:smh: I know even talking boxing with you is more of a waste than spending money on a Top Rank PPV at this point, but even I will buy Pac v JMM so.......

So why do it? I mean you are just going to say what the rest of the circle jerk crew say anyways. To be honest I question why I bother discussing it with all of yall. I only need to read the Boss' opinion anyways.
 

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So why do it? I mean you are just going to say what the rest of the circle jerk crew say anyways. To be honest I question why I bother discussing it with all of yall. I only need to read the Boss' opinion anyways.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Its funny... I was hoping the "team" would stop wasting time with you as you have proven over and over again that you want to waste people's time with non-sense, but I'm jumping ship... the "team" can have their fun.
 

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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Its funny... I was hoping the "team" would stop wasting time with you as you have proven over and over again that you want to waste people's time with non-sense, but I'm jumping ship... the "team" can have their fun.

the funny thing about when you use :lol:. It doesn't look like you are laughing. It just look like you're opening you mouth for approval from the rest of the circle jerk crew to me.
 

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And that it should be a good fight. I wish I could act hollier than though and say I give a rat's ass. Or act like Bob is doing something incredibly wrong by putting on this fight. But I can't. It is just a boxing match. An intriguing one for me. I like seeing guys get pay back for a defeat. I am in the minority here. I don't have any sore feelings towards Bob. I like the fact he is giving both an opportunity to make money and settle an old score. This is a grudge match. I like that.

Bob is looking out for a fighter and friend. If he can help put money in his pocket and food on his table while at the same time doing the same for Cotto and giving Cotto a chance to redeem himself that is cool to me. I remember cats shitting on King. But he shit on his fighters and tossed them to the side once they were on the losing end. At least Bob isn't doing that. I will watch this fight. Because it is just as interesting as the Manny and JMM fight to me. The story behind both fights make the fights appealing. At least to me.

Who said they're friends?
No, Bob is doing something worse. He's taking Margarito, a fighter who's not as good as he was before he was suspended, and putting him in the ring to get the shit beat out of him so Bob can get all the money he can out of him. That's not much different than King at all, really. As long as he could make money with a fighter, he got him fights, whether he earned them or not.
It may be compelling to you but it's odd when people say certain fighters should fight the best competition but throw that out the window for the slightest reason when it comes to other people. Cotto shouldn't be fighting Margarito. You want a compelling Cotto fight, try Alfredo Angulo. Get Cintron in there. Pawel Wolak ('preciate merce for putting me on to this guy) won his last fight and is a legit contender. If Williams wins his comeback fight, Cotto could finally fight him (Miguel was ducking him at welter just like Floyd and Manny). There's a list of guys who deserve a shot at Cotto but we got him and Margarito.

It's ok though, since there's no proof. Only the fact that he got caught cheating once and the fact that Cotto had taken a lot of shots from Mosley in their fight - who is a harder natural puncher than Margarito - and finished that shane fight with scarce a mark on his face. That shit was a matter of about six rounds for Margarito to literally leave Cotto disfigured after that fight. Also he ko's Kermit Cintron, but a carbon copy of him with more power, Alfredo Angulo, couldn't even hurt Cintron. Dude is a disgrace to boxing and it's fitting he should fight under the Top Rank banner with a juicer and a promoter who is a known briber of officials.

http://ringtalk.com/bob-arum-enshrined-on-wall-of-shame

Empirical evidence isn't proof but it's pretty damning.

Of course, when it's something you cosign or feel good about, you ignore any evidence so I expect comments like that from you. How is Bob by the way? I know he's 80, so we shouldn't have to endure him for much longer anyway.

Damn, that's cold. Not disagreeing, just saying.

So why do it? I mean you are just going to say what the rest of the circle jerk crew say anyways. To be honest I question why I bother discussing it with all of yall. I only need to read the Boss' opinion anyways.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: this guy.
 

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Dave you are using too much sense to make this a fair argument. Arum has two guys to put in front of Martinez. Cotto said that he wouldn't allow Margarito to make money with him and he put his pride in the trash. The only justice that could be served is if Margarito is seriously injured or killed so he can't enjoy his dive money. Neither fighter is worth PPV.
C/S 100% wait what da hell...I'm in agreement with Alaskanredman?:hmm::lol:
 

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C/S 100% wait what da hell...I'm in agreement with Alaskanredman?:hmm::lol:

Dude, if you couldn't co-sign that...:smh:

I mean shit niggas want both, Floyd and Pac, to jump another weight class this late in the game for Matinez, but its okay for Cotto to be pussyfooting around while he is in the same weight class... :lol:

This will be his third fight at 154 and none of these fights are worth anything. They don't build to anything. Like everyone else, I wanted him to ease into this weight division, but this shit is ridiculous... pillow hands and two bums back to back...:smh: and they want PPV money out of this shitty run. Cotto should retire if he doesn't have it in him to fight someone better than Margarito at this point.

As for Margarito, I say give him Paul Williams' trainer and put him in there with Martinez today.
 

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I mean shit niggas want both, Floyd and Pac, to jump another weight class this late in the game for Matinez, but its okay for Cotto to be pussyfooting around while he is in the same weight class... :lol:

I would agree except for one thing. Cotto is not on the level we believe Manny, PBF, and Sergio are on. His interest to see him fight anyone is not greater than him fighting Antonio.
 
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