Wasn't someone, on here, saying how well Gadhafi treats his people?

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Muammar Gaddafi has ruled Libya since a coup
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BBC News
16 February 2011


At least 14 people are said to have been hurt, with witnesses saying police fired rubber bullets and tear gas.

The overnight unrest followed the arrest of an outspoken critic of the government, who was reportedly freed later.

Pro-democracy protests have recently swept through several Arab nations.

The demonstrators have forced the presidents of Tunisia and Egypt from power.

However, correspondents say it is unlikely that Libya's leader Muammar Gaddafi - who has ruled the country since a coup in 1969 - will lose power any time soon.

There is no independent confirmation of the overnight protests in Benghazi, but eyewitnesses say that at one stage some 2,000 people were involved.

The violent clashes reported from Benghazi could well be a foretaste of what is to follow.

Opponents of the regime are calling for major protests this Thursday, spreading the word by internet.

Libya has had protests before, successfully quashed by the powerful security forces.

But those were before the leaders of both Libya's neighbours - Tunisia to the west, Egypt to the east - were driven from power.

There has been much speculation amongst young, educated Arabs, that the days of Gaddafi's regime are numbered.

He himself has been in power for 42 years, making him the Arab world's longest serving ruler.

They say stones were thrown at police who are said to have responded with water cannon, tear gas and rubber bullets.

Libya's state television showed pictures of several hundred people in Benghazi voicing their support for the government. The government has so far not commented on events in the port city, about 1,000 km (600 miles) east of the capital Tripoli.

Fourteen people were injured, including 10 police officers, the online edition of Libya's privately-owned Quryna newspaper reported.

One witness, who did not want to be named, later told the BBC: "A couple of people in the crowd started chanting anti-government slogans and the crowd took that on.

"But then there were clashes with pro-government supporters and then after a bit the pro-government supporters were dispersed and then the security services arrived and they dispersed the crowds with hot-water cannons."

Another Benghazi resident told Reuters on Wednesday that the city was now "quiet".


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  • Libya's second-largest city with some 670,000 residents

  • has history of antagonism with Col Gaddafi since 1969 coup

  • many relatives of inmates allegedly killed at Abu Salim prison in 1996 live in city

  • hit world headlines with HIV infection trial involving Bulgarian nurses and Palestinian doctor in 1998

"The banks are open and the students are going to school," said the witness, who did not want to be identified.

In a statement on Wednesday, a senior Libyan official warned that the authorities "will not allow a group of people to move around at night and play with the security of Libya"

"The clashes last night were between small groups of people - up to 150. Some outsiders infiltrated that group. They were trying to corrupt the local legal process which has long been in place.

"We will not permit that at all, and we call on Libyans to voice their issues through existing channels, even if it is to call for the downfall of the government," said the official, who was not identified.


'Worrying sign'

Tuesday's protests began after the arrest of Fathi Terbil, who represents relatives of more than 1,000 prisoners allegedly massacred by security forces in Tripoli's Abu Salim jail in 1996, reports say.

Sources say he was held after telling relatives of current inmates that the prison was on fire and urging them to protest. Mr Terbil was later said to have been freed.

Reports from Libya say that 110 members of a banned militant group will be freed from Abu Salim later on Wednesday. It is not clear if the Benghazi clashes and the planned release of the inmates are connected.

The reported unrest comes a day before planned anti-government demonstrations on Thursday, which are being organised via the internet.

Muammar Gaddafi has ruled oil-rich Libya since 1969, making him the Arab world's longest-serving leader.

Col Gaddafi has always insisted that the country is run by a series of peoples' committees, though most outside observers believe it is a police state with him firmly in control, the BBC's Jon Leyne reports.

He adds that although the Benghazi protest is a worrying sign for Col Gaddafi, it is unlikely that the regime will lose power tomorrow.

The Middle East has seen a wave of protests fuelled by discontent over unemployment, rising living costs, corruption and autocratic leaderships.

This began with the overthrow of Tunisia's leader, Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali, in January.

Last week, President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt resigned.

In recent days there have also been anti-government demonstrations in Yemen, Bahrain, and Iran.


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Associated Press
Maggie Michael,
Sat Feb 19,

CAIRO – Moammar Gadhafi's forces fired on mourners leaving a funeral for protesters Saturday in the eastern city of Benghazi, killing at least 15 people and wounding scores more as the regime tried to squelch calls for an end to the ruler's 42-year grip on power.

Libyan protesters were back on the street for the fifth straight day, but Gadhafi has taken a hard line toward the dissent that has ripped through the Middle East and swept him up with it. Government forces also wiped out a protest encampment and clamped down on Internet service throughout Libya

Snipers fired on thousands of people gathered in Benghazi, a focal point of the unrest, to mourn 35 protesters who were shot on Friday, a hospital official said.

A hospital official said 15 people were killed, including one man who was apparently hit in the head with an anti-aircraft missile. The weapons apparently were used to intimidate the population.

"Many of the dead and the injured are relatives of doctors here," he told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. "They are crying and I keep telling them to please stand up and help us."

The official said many people were shot in the head and chest. The hospital was overwhelmed and people were streaming to the facility to donate blood.

Like most Libyans who have talked to The Associated Press during the revolt, the hospital official spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal.

Before Saturday's violence, Human Rights Watch had estimated at least 84 people have been killed.

Just after 2 a.m. local time in Libya, the U.S.-based Arbor Networks security company detected a total cessation of online traffic in the North African country. Protesters confirmed they could not get online.

Information is tightly controlled in Libya, where journalists cannot work freely, and activists this week have posted videos on the Internet that have been an important source of images of the revolt. Other information about the protests has come from opposition activists in exile. Egyptian officials briefly tried to cut Internet service during the uprising that toppled Hosni Mubarak on Feb. 11, but that move was unsuccessful.

Libya is more isolated, however, and the Internet is one of the few links to the outside world. The Cairo-based Arabic Network for Human Rights Information released a report back in 2004 that said nearly 1 million people among Libya's population of about 6 million had Internet access at the time. That was just three years after Internet service had been extended to the public.

About 5 a.m. Saturday, special forces attacked hundreds of protesters, including lawyers and judges, camped out in front of the courthouse in Benghazi, Libya's second-largest city.

"They fired tear gas on protesters in tents and cleared the areas after many fled carrying the dead and the injured," one protester said over the phone.

Doctors in Benghazi said Friday that 35 bodies had been brought to the hospital following attacks by security forces backed by militias, on top of more than a dozen killed the day before. Standing in front of Jalaa Hospital morgue, a witness said that the bodies bore wounds from being shot "directly at the head and the chests."

Residents of the city set up neighborhood patrols on Saturday, after police left the streets.

"We don't see a single policeman in the streets, not even traffic police," a lawyer in Benghazi said. People regarded the disappearance of the police as an ominous sign, fearing that pro-government forces would soon follow up the encampment raid with house-to-house attacks.

Switzerland-based Libyan activist Fathi al-Warfali said that several other activists had been detained including Abdel-Hafez Gougha, a well-known organizer who was being held after security forces stormed his house in a night raid.

Gadhafi is facing the biggest popular uprising of his autocratic reign, with much of the action in the country's impoverished east.

The nation has huge oil reserves but poverty is a significant problem. U.S. diplomats have said in newly leaked memos that Gadhafi's regime seems to neglect the east intentionally, letting unemployment and poverty rise to weaken opponents there.

The British Foreign Office on Saturday warned against all but essential travel to five cities in eastern Libya where demonstrations have been concentrated, including Benghazi.

A female protester in Tripoli, the capital city to the west, said it was much harder to demonstrate there. Police were out in force and Gadhafi was greeted rapturously when he drove through town in a motorcade on Thursday. "People are under siege and those who dare to show up are arrested," she said.

Earlier in the week, forces from the military's elite Khamis Brigade moved into Benghazi, Beyida and several other cities, residents said. They were accompanied by militias that seemed to include foreign mercenaries, they added. Several witnesses reported French-speaking fighters, believed to be Tunisians or sub-Saharan Africans, among militiamen wearing blue uniforms and yellow helmets.

The Khamis Brigade is led by Gadhafi's youngest son Khamis Gadhafi, and U.S. diplomats in leaked memos have called it "the most well-trained and well-equipped force in the Libyan military." The witnesses' reports that it had been deployed could not be independently confirmed.
 

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As far as dictators go Moammar isn't too bad. His biggest mistake was using the countries resources for terrorism instead of for the people. He's between a rock and a hard place now. Revolutions are bad enough but these don't even have leaders for him it must be like fighting the invisible empire. What would any leader do hand over power, leave or fight. It may sound far fetched but if someone doesn't find out who or what is behind these revolts western leaders could be dealing with that question in the near future.
 

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<font size="3">As far as dictators go Moammar isn't too bad.</font size>

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<font size="3">As far as dictators go Moammar isn't too bad.</font size>

Libyan Ambassador to AL Resigns to Join Protests

<font size="3">Libyan permanent representative to the Arab League resigned on Sunday and joined the protests in his country, Egypt's state-run MENA agency reported.

The Libyan permanent representative, Ambassador Abdel Moniem el- Honey, announced his resignation from all his posts in the Cairo- based pan-Arab organization and joined the "public protest" that began on Feb. 15 against Muammar al- Gaddafi's regime, it added.

El-Honey expressed his refusal to kill unarmed protestors, saying "as a Libyan citizen, I condemn all these crimes which are close to the genocide acts."

The Libyan revolution was inspired by both the Tunisian and Egyptian protests that toppled both countries' ruling regimes and demand for more political and economic reforms.</font size>


http://english.cri.cn/6966/2011/02/21/2021s621793.htm
 

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Libyan Ambassador to AL Resigns to Join Protests

<font size="3">Libyan permanent representative to the Arab League resigned on Sunday and joined the protests in his country, Egypt's state-run MENA agency reported.

The Libyan permanent representative, Ambassador Abdel Moniem el- Honey, announced his resignation from all his posts in the Cairo- based pan-Arab organization and joined the "public protest" that began on Feb. 15 against Muammar al- Gaddafi's regime, it added.

El-Honey expressed his refusal to kill unarmed protestors, saying "as a Libyan citizen, I condemn all these crimes which are close to the genocide acts."

The Libyan revolution was inspired by both the Tunisian and Egyptian protests that toppled both countries' ruling regimes and demand for more political and economic reforms.</font size>


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Originally Posted by nittie
As far as dictators go Moammar isn't too bad. His biggest mistake was using the countries resources for terrorism instead of for the people. He's between a rock and a hard place now. Revolutions are bad enough but these don't even have leaders for him it must be like fighting the invisible empire. What would any leader do hand over power, leave or fight.

Basing the rebuttal on one sentence from a post is kind of dishonest isn't it. Guess context don't mean anything but the question remains what would any leader do in Gadhafi's situation. Would they fight or run, Obama or the next U.S president might be faced with that problem soon. These revolts are coming out of nowhere and no one knows who is orchestrating them.
 

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Basing the rebuttal on one sentence from a post is kind of dishonest isn't it. Guess context don't mean anything but the question remains what would any leader do in Gadhafi's situation.

I wasn't offering a rebuttal. I only posted those articles as factual situations for you to contemplate.


Would they fight or run, Obama or the next U.S president might be faced with that problem soon. These revolts are coming out of nowhere and no one knows who is orchestrating them.

They aren't coming out of nowhere. Autocracy has ruled in each of the affected countries from damn near time immemorial. One common thread critical to the survival of the regimes now under freedom's fire has been suppression of communication. When communication is suppressed, the governments point of view, the government's brand of fear, the government's everything -- governs. The communication revolution, in my opinion, is "A" singular cause (but certainly not the "only cause") that is enabling the uprisings we're witnessing.

AND, I don't buy it that these uprisings came out of nowhere. On the contrary, with the spread of the ability of ordinary people to communicate came the increased likelihood (no, the certainty) that, at some point, people would realize more, and more and more -- that they have within their power the ability to think, congregate & act collectively. AND, if you for a second think that the CIA, etc., missed this -- you and the rest of people & politicians saying that right now are dead damn wrong. On the contrary, the U.S. government, western governments in general and, above all, western corporations have been at the forefront urging and supporting the communications revolution.

Hell, LOL, underlying the undermining and engineering of the fall of the Soviet empire was the "Spread of Information" -- the idea being that if people could gain knowlege of their plight through communication, people could cause the wall to fall. Witness: Radio Free Europe, USAID, VOA - Voice of America. Their target: the people behind the Iron Curtain.

None of this is new. In fact, it was all entirely predictable with the spread of communication. QUESTION: (A) Which country today is most concerned with blocking communications; and (B) most worried about the outcome if it is not successful ???


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Basing the rebuttal on one sentence from a post is kind of dishonest isn't it. Guess context don't mean anything but the question remains what would any leader do in Gadhafi's situation. Would they fight or run, Obama or the next U.S president might be faced with that problem soon. These revolts are coming out of nowhere and no one knows who is orchestrating them.

You do what's best for your people, and I don't think shooting them is what's best. Time for him to go. He been in power far too long.
 

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You do what's best for your people, and I don't think shooting them is what's best. Time for him to go. He been in power far too long.

I don't think this is about doing whats best for the people. These dictators are concerned with doing whats best, for them. In Libya, where very little if any dissent has been tolerated, the government may be willing to go a long way towards defending itself -- including murdering untold numbers of people.

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They aren't coming out of nowhere. Autocracy has ruled in each of the affected countries from damn near time immemorial. One common thread critical to the survival of the regimes now under freedom's fire has been suppression of communication. When communication is suppressed, the governments point of view, the government's brand of fear, the government's everything -- governs. The communication revolution, in my opinion, is "A" singular cause (but certainly not the "only cause") that is enabling the uprisings we're witnessing.

AND, I don't buy it that these uprisings came out of nowhere. On the contrary, with the spread of the ability of ordinary people to communicate came the increased likelihood (no, the certainty) that, at some point, people would realize more, and more and more -- that they have within their power the ability to think, congregate & act collectively. AND, if you for a second think that the CIA, etc., missed this -- you and the rest of people & politicians saying that right now are dead damn wrong. On the contrary, the U.S. government, western governments in general and, above all, western corporations have been at the forefront urging and supporting the communications revolution.

Hell, LOL, underlying the undermining and engineering of the fall of the Soviet empire was the "Spread of Information" -- the idea being that if people could gain knowlege of their plight through communication, people could cause the wall to fall. Witness: Radio Free Europe, USAID, VOA - Voice of America. Their target: the people behind the Iron Curtain.

None of this is new. In fact, it was all entirely predictable with the spread of communication. QUESTION: (A) Which country today is most concerned with blocking communications; and (B) most worried about the outcome if it is not successful ???


QueEx



Autocracy has always ruled in the region but Autocracy is a organized minority with a agenda ruling a unorganized majority. Whether the head of state is referred to as King, Emperor in the East, or President in the West is no matter because the principle is the same, a handful of people ruling the majority.

In order for this system to work the people in power have to control communication so they can dictate policy, focus attention and keep the people in line. So there is no way a revolution happens unless the communication has a agenda that people will support. These uprisings didn't come out of nowhere. That would be impossible. There has to be someone with a agenda behind the communication. If the plan works in the Middle East it will work in varying degrees everywhere.
 

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Moammar Gadhafi exhorts his supporters on Libyan state television. | AP



McClatchy Newspapers
By Jonathan S. Landay,
Miret al-Naggar and
Erika Bolstad
Sunday, February 20, 2011


CAIRO, Egypt _ Libya’s second largest city, Benghazi, fell Sunday after a crack army unit defected to the opposition and clashes spread to the capital, Tripoli, as an uprising against Moammar Gadhafi appeared to threaten the Middle East’s longest ruling dictator’s 42-year grip on power, residents and news reports said.

Gadhafi’s youngest son, Saif Gadhafi, seemed to acknowledge in a rambling speech on state-run television that Benghazi and the nearby eastern city of Baida were no longer under government control.

“At this moment in time, tanks are driven about by civilians. In Baida, you have machine guns right in the middle of the city. Many arms have been stolen,” said Saif Gadhafi, who called the insurrection “a plot against Libya.”

He appealed for calm, promising to institute democratic reforms. But in a dire warning suggesting that the regime was digging in for a bloody fight for survival, he said that unless its proposals are accepted, “be prepared for civil war.”

The revolt in the oil-rich nation of 6.4 million represented a major escalation in the instability ignited across the Middle East when a jobless Tunisian man desperate to feed his family set himself afire in December. That act triggered the mostly peaceful uprisings that ousted former Tunisian President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali and former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.

Pro-reform protesters inspired by those revolutions clashed on Sunday with security forces in Tehran and other Iranian cities, marched in Morocco, Algeria and Iraq, pressed a peaceful occupation of the Bahraini capital’s main square and staged new demonstrations in Yemen.

The upheavals pose the most serious foreign policy challenge of President Barack Obama’s two years in office, upending decades-old U.S. policies geared to ensuring access to the region’s petroleum supplies by favoring its kings and dictators over their people’s rights, and safeguarding an alliance with Israel.

At least 233 people have died and hundreds have been injured in Benghazi alone since the uprising erupted on Wednesday, said New York-based Human Rights Watch, quoting unidentified hospital sources.

A doctor and a resident reached by telephone in the seaside city of 1 million told McClatchy that between 50 and 70 people died in street battles on Sunday, and they charged that more than 200 were massacred a day earlier by troops and African mercenaries loyal to Gadhafi.

Verifying developments in Libya was difficult because of restrictions imposed by the Gadhafi regime on Internet access and outgoing telephone calls. But the United States said it had “multiple credible reports” that hundreds of people had been killed and injured in the 5-day-old insurrection.

The insurrection in Libya began Wednesday in Benghazi with the arrest of a prominent human rights lawyer and spread to other cities and towns spanning the eastern coast of the Gulf of Sidra to the Egyptian border, as well as to western areas.

On Sunday evening, anti-government protests erupted in Tripoli, the seat of Gadhafi’s power, as thousands of people converged on the city’s Green Square, defying gunfire from security forces and African mercenaries, according to numerous news reports and a resident reached by telephone.

The resident, who gave his name only as Abdalla, said he witnessed two men killed in front of him, one shot in the neck, the other through the head.

Violence broke out elsewhere in Tripoli, he said, as demonstrators burned police stations, the headquarters of the city’s governing revolutionary committee and other symbols of the Gadhafi regime, including posters of the dictator and copies of his Green Book, the political treatise he published in 1975.

Gadhafi seized power in bloodless 1969 coup and imposed on the nation of 6.4 million one of the region’s most repressive regimes, with the formation of independent political parties or trade unions punishable by death and torture routine in its prisons, according to State Department human rights reports.

The clashes in Benghazi ended late Sunday night, residents reached by telephone said, after the Lighting Bolts, an army commando force, defected to citizens armed with weapons seized from army bases. Together, they overran the main security compound, the Katiba El Fadil Bu Omar, a complex that includes one of Gadhafi’s residences.

“The special forces have defected and attacked Gadhafi’s barracks,” said Muftah, a local journalist who studied in South Carolina. “Benghazi is free.”

Thousands of people poured into the city’s streets to celebrate, he said, confirming that anti-regime forces had captured large amounts of weapons and were driving several captured tanks around.

But with no identifiable leader or group in command and so much weaponry loose, Muftah, whose last name McClatchy withheld for security reasons, expressed concern that anarchy could quickly replace the jubilation.

“It is harmless so far, but let's hope it doesn’t develop into something nasty,” he said. “People are forming committees to guard neighborhoods.”

Braikah, the doctor, said that lawyers, writers, doctors and other public figures were trying to figure out how to ensure that the movement proceeded in a peaceful, orderly way. She asked that her last name be withheld for her security.

Muftah said a surgeon with whom he is friends told him that 70 people were killed in fighting on Sunday that erupted when pro-Gadhafi forces in the main security compound opened fire with heavy machineguns at a funeral procession for one of those killed the day before.

Braikah put Sunday’s toll at 50. Human Rights Watch quoted sources at the city’s three main hospitals as saying 60 were killed. Accounts provided to the organization by witnesses confirmed that a funeral procession was hit by indiscriminate gunfire as it passed by the Katiba El Fadil Bu Omar complex.

Several videos posted on YouTube appeared to verify the reports of heavy fighting. In one, thousands of people cheer men armed with assault rifles and rocket-propelled grenade launchers riding in a white pickup. The bloodied bodies of what were said to be two African mercenaries were lashed to the vehicle’s hood.

Video posted on several websites shows a bloodied man described as an African mercenary being detained by a group of protestors. He tells them "I swear by God these were orders," and they keep asking "orders from who?" He answers "orders from the officers." Some of the men begin punching and picking him, and he falls to the ground. Others protect him and shout "no!"

In Washington, State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said that the United States was “gravely concerned with disturbing reports and images coming out of Libya. We are working to ascertain the facts, but we have received multiple credible reports that hundreds of people have been killed and injured in several days of unrest.”

“We have raised to a number of Libyan officials, including Libyan Foreign Minister Musa Kusa, our strong objections to the use of lethal force against peaceful demonstrators,” Crowley said in a statement. “We reiterated to Libyan officials the importance of universal rights, including freedom of speech and peaceful assembly. Libyan officials have stated their commitment to protecting and safeguarding the right of peaceful protest. We call upon the Libyan government uphold that commitment.”

In Iran, thousands responded to opposition leaders’ calls to take to the streets to mark a week since two protesters were killed in demonstrations staged to support the uprisings that drove former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and former Tunisian President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali from power.

Demonstrators clashed with security forces on Valiasr Street, the capital’s main thoroughfare, and other areas parts of the city, the New York-based International Campaign for Human Rights in Iran said, quoting telephone interviews with witnesses.

Large deployments of baton-swinging police, some mounted on motorbikes, charged the protesters at Tehran’s Enghelab Square, Valiasr Street and other major intersections, one witness told McClatchy.

In a video posted on an Iranian blogger’s Facebook site, thousands of protesters are heard shouting “Mubarak, Ben Ali, it’s time for Seyed Ali,” a call for the ouster of the country’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

There were unconfirmed reports of security forces firing live ammunition, and an unknown numbers of casualties and arrests.

Press TV, the state-run English-language satellite news channel, reported that Faezah Hashemi, the daughter of former President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, the government’s leading critic within the clerical leadership, was briefly detained by police during the protest but was later released.

The human rights group and posts by Iranian bloggers on the social networking sites Facebook and Twitter also spoke of clashes in the cities of Shiraz, Hamedan, Isfahan, Tabriz, and Rasht.

The protests were staged in defiance of stern government warnings, with a state news service claiming that protesters were in danger of being shot by armed infiltrators.


http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/02/20/109081/uprising-in-libya-against-gadhafi.html
 

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Moammar Gadhafi exhorts his supporters on Libyan state television. | AP



McClatchy Newspapers
By Jonathan S. Landay,
Miret al-Naggar and
Erika Bolstad
Sunday, February 20, 2011


CAIRO, Egypt _ Libya’s second largest city, Benghazi, fell Sunday after a crack army unit defected to the opposition and clashes spread to the capital, Tripoli, as an uprising against Moammar Gadhafi appeared to threaten the Middle East’s longest ruling dictator’s 42-year grip on power, residents and news reports said.

Gadhafi’s youngest son, Saif Gadhafi, seemed to acknowledge in a rambling speech on state-run television that Benghazi and the nearby eastern city of Baida were no longer under government control.

“At this moment in time, tanks are driven about by civilians. In Baida, you have machine guns right in the middle of the city. Many arms have been stolen,” said Saif Gadhafi, who called the insurrection “a plot against Libya.”

He appealed for calm, promising to institute democratic reforms. But in a dire warning suggesting that the regime was digging in for a bloody fight for survival, he said that unless its proposals are accepted, “be prepared for civil war.”

The revolt in the oil-rich nation of 6.4 million represented a major escalation in the instability ignited across the Middle East when a jobless Tunisian man desperate to feed his family set himself afire in December. That act triggered the mostly peaceful uprisings that ousted former Tunisian President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali and former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.

Pro-reform protesters inspired by those revolutions clashed on Sunday with security forces in Tehran and other Iranian cities, marched in Morocco, Algeria and Iraq, pressed a peaceful occupation of the Bahraini capital’s main square and staged new demonstrations in Yemen.

The upheavals pose the most serious foreign policy challenge of President Barack Obama’s two years in office, upending decades-old U.S. policies geared to ensuring access to the region’s petroleum supplies by favoring its kings and dictators over their people’s rights, and safeguarding an alliance with Israel.

At least 233 people have died and hundreds have been injured in Benghazi alone since the uprising erupted on Wednesday, said New York-based Human Rights Watch, quoting unidentified hospital sources.

A doctor and a resident reached by telephone in the seaside city of 1 million told McClatchy that between 50 and 70 people died in street battles on Sunday, and they charged that more than 200 were massacred a day earlier by troops and African mercenaries loyal to Gadhafi.

Verifying developments in Libya was difficult because of restrictions imposed by the Gadhafi regime on Internet access and outgoing telephone calls. But the United States said it had “multiple credible reports” that hundreds of people had been killed and injured in the 5-day-old insurrection.

The insurrection in Libya began Wednesday in Benghazi with the arrest of a prominent human rights lawyer and spread to other cities and towns spanning the eastern coast of the Gulf of Sidra to the Egyptian border, as well as to western areas.

On Sunday evening, anti-government protests erupted in Tripoli, the seat of Gadhafi’s power, as thousands of people converged on the city’s Green Square, defying gunfire from security forces and African mercenaries, according to numerous news reports and a resident reached by telephone.

The resident, who gave his name only as Abdalla, said he witnessed two men killed in front of him, one shot in the neck, the other through the head.

Violence broke out elsewhere in Tripoli, he said, as demonstrators burned police stations, the headquarters of the city’s governing revolutionary committee and other symbols of the Gadhafi regime, including posters of the dictator and copies of his Green Book, the political treatise he published in 1975.

Gadhafi seized power in bloodless 1969 coup and imposed on the nation of 6.4 million one of the region’s most repressive regimes, with the formation of independent political parties or trade unions punishable by death and torture routine in its prisons, according to State Department human rights reports.

The clashes in Benghazi ended late Sunday night, residents reached by telephone said, after the Lighting Bolts, an army commando force, defected to citizens armed with weapons seized from army bases. Together, they overran the main security compound, the Katiba El Fadil Bu Omar, a complex that includes one of Gadhafi’s residences.

“The special forces have defected and attacked Gadhafi’s barracks,” said Muftah, a local journalist who studied in South Carolina. “Benghazi is free.”

Thousands of people poured into the city’s streets to celebrate, he said, confirming that anti-regime forces had captured large amounts of weapons and were driving several captured tanks around.

But with no identifiable leader or group in command and so much weaponry loose, Muftah, whose last name McClatchy withheld for security reasons, expressed concern that anarchy could quickly replace the jubilation.

“It is harmless so far, but let's hope it doesn’t develop into something nasty,” he said. “People are forming committees to guard neighborhoods.”

Braikah, the doctor, said that lawyers, writers, doctors and other public figures were trying to figure out how to ensure that the movement proceeded in a peaceful, orderly way. She asked that her last name be withheld for her security.

Muftah said a surgeon with whom he is friends told him that 70 people were killed in fighting on Sunday that erupted when pro-Gadhafi forces in the main security compound opened fire with heavy machineguns at a funeral procession for one of those killed the day before.

Braikah put Sunday’s toll at 50. Human Rights Watch quoted sources at the city’s three main hospitals as saying 60 were killed. Accounts provided to the organization by witnesses confirmed that a funeral procession was hit by indiscriminate gunfire as it passed by the Katiba El Fadil Bu Omar complex.

Several videos posted on YouTube appeared to verify the reports of heavy fighting. In one, thousands of people cheer men armed with assault rifles and rocket-propelled grenade launchers riding in a white pickup. The bloodied bodies of what were said to be two African mercenaries were lashed to the vehicle’s hood.

Video posted on several websites shows a bloodied man described as an African mercenary being detained by a group of protestors. He tells them "I swear by God these were orders," and they keep asking "orders from who?" He answers "orders from the officers." Some of the men begin punching and picking him, and he falls to the ground. Others protect him and shout "no!"

In Washington, State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said that the United States was “gravely concerned with disturbing reports and images coming out of Libya. We are working to ascertain the facts, but we have received multiple credible reports that hundreds of people have been killed and injured in several days of unrest.”

“We have raised to a number of Libyan officials, including Libyan Foreign Minister Musa Kusa, our strong objections to the use of lethal force against peaceful demonstrators,” Crowley said in a statement. “We reiterated to Libyan officials the importance of universal rights, including freedom of speech and peaceful assembly. Libyan officials have stated their commitment to protecting and safeguarding the right of peaceful protest. We call upon the Libyan government uphold that commitment.”

In Iran, thousands responded to opposition leaders’ calls to take to the streets to mark a week since two protesters were killed in demonstrations staged to support the uprisings that drove former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and former Tunisian President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali from power.

Demonstrators clashed with security forces on Valiasr Street, the capital’s main thoroughfare, and other areas parts of the city, the New York-based International Campaign for Human Rights in Iran said, quoting telephone interviews with witnesses.

Large deployments of baton-swinging police, some mounted on motorbikes, charged the protesters at Tehran’s Enghelab Square, Valiasr Street and other major intersections, one witness told McClatchy.

In a video posted on an Iranian blogger’s Facebook site, thousands of protesters are heard shouting “Mubarak, Ben Ali, it’s time for Seyed Ali,” a call for the ouster of the country’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

There were unconfirmed reports of security forces firing live ammunition, and an unknown numbers of casualties and arrests.

Press TV, the state-run English-language satellite news channel, reported that Faezah Hashemi, the daughter of former President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, the government’s leading critic within the clerical leadership, was briefly detained by police during the protest but was later released.

The human rights group and posts by Iranian bloggers on the social networking sites Facebook and Twitter also spoke of clashes in the cities of Shiraz, Hamedan, Isfahan, Tabriz, and Rasht.

The protests were staged in defiance of stern government warnings, with a state news service claiming that protesters were in danger of being shot by armed infiltrators.


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against his own people</font size>
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Libyan troops and mercenaries gunned down civilians and
anti-government protesters in the Libyan capital of Tripoli,
prompting international condemnation, and defections and
cries of genocide from some members of his own government and military</font size></center>




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Buildings burn in a security forces compound in Benghazi, Libya. | AP Photo/Alaguri



McClatchy Newspapers
By Miret el Naggar,
Jonathan S. Landay
and Margaret Talev


CAIRO — Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi was clinging to power Monday as his troops and mercenaries gunned down civilians and anti-government protesters in the Libyan capital of Tripoli, prompting international condemnation, and defections and cries of genocide from some members of his own government and military.

U.S. officials <font size="3"><SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">confirmed multiple reports from residents of aircraft strafing protesters on the outskirts of Tripoli. Mercenaries were firing indiscriminately into crowds, funeral processions and civilians' homes</font size></span>, and people were running out of food, potable water and medicine, residents said.

"The situation is serious and horrible," said a doctor reached by telephone at the city's main trauma center. He spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of retribution should Gadhafi remain in power.

<font size="3"><SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Libyan diplomats at the United Nations mission in New York and at other embassies worldwide broke with Gadhafi's regime Monday</span>. Ibrahim Dabbashi, Libya's deputy U.N. representative, called on Gadhafi to resign and urged the world to speak out. <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">The regime is committing "a real genocide against the Libyan people. Colonel Gadhafi is shooting his own people," Dabbashi said in an interview on the al Jazeera network.</span>

The turmoil raged on the sixth day of an uprising against Gadhafi that's claimed hundreds of lives and left the second largest city, Benghazi, and other population centers on the country's eastern wing in the hands of troops who defected to the opposition and armed civilians.

The insurrection against Gadhafi, the Middle East's longest ruling dictator, is the most dramatic of the uprisings inspired across the region by the largely peaceful revolts that ousted the former presidents of Egypt and Tunisia, rooted in pent-up popular anger over corruption, poverty, abuses and a lack of political rights.


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No one has mentioned the peaceful creation of the new Sudanese nation. And they are "Black" folk! Could it be that they are not Muslim?
 

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Watching Ole Boi give one of his old-style revolutionary anti-American us-against-them speeches. Looks like one of those last ditch attempts to generate a little nationalism or ethnocentrism in an attempt to rally opinion around himself, his rule, his family's rule. He seems prepared, at least early on, to risk a blood bath to save himself. Looking, however, like he's losing his hold on things.

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Gadhafi isn't the only one using violence to stop the revolts. Iran is doing the same thing but no one is calling it genocide, I mean genocide of all things. China is taking steps to combat revolts in that country, they are shutting down the internet, using the army and warning protesters they will be killed but will the media call it genocide.
 

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Autocracy has always ruled in the region but Autocracy is a organized minority with a agenda ruling a unorganized majority. Whether the head of state is referred to as King, Emperor in the East, or President in the West is no matter because the principle is the same, a handful of people ruling the majority.

In order for this system to work the people in power have to control communication so they can dictate policy, focus attention and keep the people in line. So there is no way a revolution happens unless the communication has a agenda that people will support. These uprisings didn't come out of nowhere. That would be impossible. There has to be someone with a agenda behind the communication. If the plan works in the Middle East it will work in varying degrees everywhere.

Nonsense based on a false premise.

Gadhafi isn't the only one using violence to stop the revolts. Iran is doing the same thing but no one is calling it genocide, I mean genocide of all things. China is taking steps to combat revolts in that country, they are shutting down the internet, using the army and warning protesters they will be killed but will the media call it genocide.

Are China and Iran going this far...

<U.S. officials <font size="3"><SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">confirmed multiple reports from residents of aircraft strafing protesters on the outskirts of Tripoli. Mercenaries were firing indiscriminately into crowds, funeral processions and civilians' homes</font size></span>, and people were running out of food, potable water and medicine, residents said.

"The situation is serious and horrible," said a doctor reached by telephone at the city's main trauma center. He spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of retribution should Gadhafi remain in power.

<font size="3"><SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Libyan diplomats at the United Nations mission in New York and at other embassies worldwide broke with Gadhafi's regime Monday</span>. Ibrahim Dabbashi, Libya's deputy U.N. representative, called on Gadhafi to resign and urged the world to speak out. <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">The regime is committing "a real genocide against the Libyan people. Colonel Gadhafi is shooting his own people," Dabbashi said in an interview on the al Jazeera network.</span>

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This isn't "the media" saying this, it's his own ambassadors
 

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Nonsense based on a false premise.



Are China and Iran going this far...



This isn't "the media" saying this, it's his own ambassadors


His ambassadors are not journalist they can throw the word around but the media should know better. Language like that can start WWIII and thats all I have to say to you about this it will not turn into another 3 day fuss fest.
 

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His ambassadors are not journalist they can throw the word around but the media should know better. Language like that can start WWIII and thats all I have to say to you about this it will not turn into another 3 day fuss fest.

I think "genocide" is a very serious term but the fact that it's Libyan officials using it against Ghadhafi and his tactics is telling.
Also, when you compare him to China and Iran and try to make this like it's the "media" targeting Ghadhafi, it should be pointed out that he's going far beyond squashing dissent.

WWIII??? Over Libya? There hasn't been a major conflict over atrocities since Sarajevo and none before that.
 

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Gadhafi isn't the only one using violence to stop the revolts.

Okay. But the focus is on him right now. Should it be ignored ???


Iran is doing the same thing but no one is calling it genocide, I mean genocide of all things.
Why don't you start a thread on Iran and its oppression of dissent.

Waiting . . .


China is taking steps to combat revolts in that country, they are shutting down the internet, using the army and warning protesters they will be killed but will the media call it genocide.

Who really gives a fuck what its called ???? - or who's calling it what ????

Seriously man, if a government is killing its own to justify or continue its existence, who cares what you, I or the media call it. Is it no less wrong? Is it no less the intentional taking of the life of another ??? I mean, do we get hung-up on semantics or real about reality ?

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Okay. But the focus is on him right now. Should it be ignored ???



Why don't you start a thread on Iran and its oppression of dissent.

Waiting . . .




Who really gives a fuck what its called ???? - or who's calling it what ????

Seriously man, if a government is killing its own to justify or continue its existence, who cares what you, I or the media call it. Is it no less wrong? Is it no less the intentional taking of the life of another ??? I mean, do we get hung-up on semantics or real about reality ?

QueEx


gen·o·cide
–noun
the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

So Moammar is systematically killing Libyans. Yeah it should be ignored when what he's doing is described as genocide.
 

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So Moammar is systematically killing Libyans. Yeah it should be ignored when what he's doing is described as genocide.

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U.S. officials confirmed multiple reports from residents of aircraft strafing protesters on the outskirts of Tripoli. Mercenaries were firing indiscriminately into crowds, funeral processions and civilians' homes, and people were running out of food, potable water and medicine, residents said.

"The situation is serious and horrible," said a doctor reached by telephone at the city's main trauma center. He spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of retribution should Gadhafi remain in power.

Libyan diplomats at the United Nations mission in New York and at other embassies worldwide broke with Gadhafi's regime Monday. Ibrahim Dabbashi, Libya's deputy U.N. representative, called on Gadhafi to resign and urged the world to speak out. The regime is committing "a real genocide against the Libyan people. Colonel Gadhafi is shooting his own people," Dabbashi said in an interview on the al Jazeera network.

Doesn't this fit the description?
 

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U.S. officials confirmed multiple reports from residents of aircraft strafing protesters on the outskirts of Tripoli. Mercenaries were firing indiscriminately into crowds, funeral processions and civilians' homes, and people were running out of food, potable water and medicine, residents said.

"The situation is serious and horrible," said a doctor reached by telephone at the city's main trauma center. He spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of retribution should Gadhafi remain in power.

Libyan diplomats at the United Nations mission in New York and at other embassies worldwide broke with Gadhafi's regime Monday. Ibrahim Dabbashi, Libya's deputy U.N. representative, called on Gadhafi to resign and urged the world to speak out. The regime is committing "a real genocide against the Libyan people. Colonel Gadhafi is shooting his own people," Dabbashi said in an interview on the al Jazeera network.

Doesn't this fit the description?


Gadhafi does not want to exterminate his people. He might be crazy but he ain't that crazy. He's trying to stop a uprising, one that came out of nowhere. Think about it, just a couple of months ago the people in that region had never known anything but servitude, we're talking something like 6,000 years of servitude and now they are revolting. Gadhafi has got to be thinking wtf, ohhh hell nah, gtfoh.
 

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Gadhafi does not want to exterminate his people. He might be crazy but he ain't that crazy. He's trying to stop a uprising,

You know that Ms. Cleo got time for that (misleading people to believe that SHE COULD READ OTHER PEOPLE'S MIND).


He's trying to stop a uprising, one that came out of nowhere.

Odd. That statement directly conflicts with your earlier statement:

<font size="3">These uprisings didn't come out of nowhere. That would be impossible.</font size>


Think about it, just a couple of months ago the people in that region had never known anything but servitude, we're talking something like 6,000 years of servitude and now they are revolting. Gadhafi has got to be thinking wtf, ohhh hell nah, gtfoh.

:smh: you insist upon knowing WHAT GADHAFI IS THINKING -- when the objective evidence (what he is actually doing) says he is authorizing or allowing innocent people to be mowed down. :smh:

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Gadhafi no match for eastern
Libyans' resistance streak



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The old Libyan flag of black, red and green is hoisted into the air as
residents of Darnah, Libya, celebrate the liberation of their town from
the control of forces loyal to dictator Moammar Gadhafi
. | Luis Sinco/
Los Angeles Times/MCT



BEYIDA, Libya — Giddy teenagers rumbled down the road Wednesday on top
of a tank they'd seized from the Libyan army. A 13-year-old manned a
checkpoint, happy to be out of school. Young men in baseball caps and
trendy sneakers chanted, "This is a new generation!" as they marched near
the state security compound they'd captured last week after ramming a
tractor through the gate.

These surreal scenes unfolded in Green Mountain — the verdant craggy belt
of eastern Libya that forms the backbone of the uprising to overthrow
Moammar Gadhafi.

The youths here won pitched battles against Gadhafi's mercenary-backed
army, leaving a trail of charred government offices and bullet pocked walls
from the coastal cities of Shahat to Beyida.

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Gadhafi does not want to exterminate his people. He might be crazy but he ain't that crazy. He's trying to stop a uprising, one that came out of nowhere. Think about it, just a couple of months ago the people in that region had never known anything but servitude, we're talking something like 6,000 years of servitude and now they are revolting. Gadhafi has got to be thinking wtf, ohhh hell nah, gtfoh.

You were better off not saying anything else on this topic.:smh:

It's only been 40 years under Gadhafi and they've had enough.
Clarify something for me so I know where we are in this discussion, are you for the protestors or the regime?


You know that Ms. Cleo got time for that (misleading people to believe that SHE COULD READ OTHER PEOPLE'S MIND).




Odd. That statement directly conflicts with your earlier statement:





:smh: you insist upon knowing WHAT GADHAFI IS THINKING -- when the objective evidence (what he is actually doing) says he is authorizing or allowing innocent people to be mowed down. :smh:

QueEx


I couldn't help but :lol: after reading this. Nittie, get it together. Pick an argument and stick to it.
 

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You were better off not saying anything else on this topic.:smh:

It's only been 40 years under Gadhafi and they've had enough.
Clarify something for me so I know where we are in this discussion, are you for the protestors or the regime?





I couldn't help but :lol: after reading this. Nittie, get it together. Pick an argument and stick to it.


It's not about who I'm for it's about the facts. The fact is Gadhafi after 40 years in power now finds his regime under attack. What does he do, leave or fight, he's chose to fight and probably every anti democracy dictator in the world would do the same, especially if they feel like the revolts are being instigated by the U.S or some other enemy. Of course innocent people will be killed but when the media reports it as genocide they are only doing it to manipulate people who take intramural positions on the conflict, don't see the big picture and do not think for themselves.
 
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