The Official Condoleeza Rice Thread

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The Telegraph (London)
By Philip Sherwell in Washington
October 2, 2005

For the self-styled "Condistas", it was too good an opportunity to miss. Devoted admirers of Condoleezza Rice bought time for a television commercial backing the Secretary of State for the White House in 2008, during last week's premiere of Commander-in-Chief, a new series about America's first female president.

It was the highest-profile move yet in a burgeoning grassroots campaign to persuade Dr Rice to stand for the nation's highest office, despite her public statements that she has no desire to seek the nomination.
Richard Mason, a Miami doctor and Rice supporter, established Americans For Dr Rice after talking with colleagues about the best Republican candidate for 2008.

The group has recruited several thousand members, has chairmen in key electoral states and is registered with the Federal Elections Commission. Its volunteer leaders, who call themselves Team Condi, are taking their cause to Republican meetings and conferences around the US.

They are conducting a "draft campaign", attempting to push Dr Rice into the political fray by demonstrating a groundswell of support for her candidacy. It is inspired by the draft movement that persuaded a reluctant Gen Dwight D Eisenhower to stand for the Republicans in 1952. He served two terms in the White House.

"We're just a bunch of average Joes who got together to try to draft a president and were amazed at the response," said Dr Mason. "It's become a second full-time job for many of us."

Crystal Dueker, the group's national co-chairman who is criss-crossing the country to promote the "Condi for '08" message, told The Sunday Telegraph: "This is people power, not a Washington DC-based group. We are ordinary people such as doctors, professors, small business owners and employees who have regular jobs. We see the future in need of strong leadership and diplomacy. And the only person we see with the qualities most important to us is Secretary Rice."

With the field open to succeed the Republican President George W Bush, Dr Rice's supporters hope that her sense of duty and patriotism will overcome her publicly stated reluctance to run.

Were Dr Rice to agree, her Democrat opponent could be another woman - Sen Hillary Clinton, the former First Lady. Supporters of both have taken succour from the successful launch of Commander-in-Chief, starring Geena Davis as an independent vice-president who takes over after a Republican president suffers an aneurism.

The premiere coincided with an opinion poll in which 79 per cent of Americans said they would be comfortable with a female president.

Davis has declined to be drawn on which woman she thinks would make a better president, although as a strong Democrat, her personal loyalties are clear. Rod Lurie, the show's creator, has joked: "If Hillary Clinton should get the nomination, we're all taking credit."

Mimi Melgaard, the costume designer, said that Davis's elegant, sartorial look owed more to the Secretary of State than to Mrs Clinton.

"Condi Rice is about the only woman politician with a distinctive style of her own," she said. "By Washington standards, she's cutting edge. It's nothing outrageous but she's willing to push the limits and she carries it off. Hillary was a bit dowdy in her White House days, although she seems to have a better stylist now." Ms Melgaard singled out the much-publicised outfit of long black jacket and knee-high boots that Dr Rice wore in Germany earlier this year, which prompted the headline "Dominatrix" in the Washington Post.

The Americans For Dr Rice commercial ran in New Hampshire, which is key to the election cycle as the first state to hold presidential primaries.

Team Condi makes a virtue of Dr Rice's single status, saying that the fact that she is unmarried proves she is a strong, independent woman. "And it's a breath of fresh air that she's never run for office," said Shari Demers, the New Hampshire chairman. "We're sick of all these slick, polished performers."

The prospect of a Rice candidacy is attracting attention from Republican strategists and conservative commentators. In addition to her track record as Secretary of State and previously National Security Adviser, they believe that as a black woman she would broaden the party's appeal to traditional Democrat voters. Her closest rival in internal Republican polls is Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor, but his liberal stance on abortion and gay rights makes him unacceptable to many Republicans.

The debate comes as President Bush faces a series of political headaches. Already buffeted by the fall-out from the conflict in Iraq and the inept government handling of Hurricane Katrina's aftermath, Mr Bush last week lost his most important legislative ally in Congress. Tom DeLay, the Republican leader in the House of Representatives, stepped down after he was indicted for allegedly breaching campaign fund-raising laws. He denies the charge.

Meanwhile, a federal prosecutor is expected soon to complete his investigation into whether senior White House aides, including Karl Rove, the president's closest adviser, were involved in illegally leaking the name of a CIA agent in a row over pre-war intelligence on Saddam Hussein's weapons programmes. Judith Miller, a New York Times journalist jailed for 12 weeks for refusing to identify her source, is now thought to have identified him as Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the chief of staff to Vice-President Dick Cheney.

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never happen. but if it does, people of color can give it up. once a black person becomes president the legacy of racism will become irrelevant in the minds of americans.
 

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JanktheFixer said:
never happen. but if it does, people of color can give it up. once a black person becomes president the legacy of racism will become irrelevant in the minds of americans.
You raise an interesting issue. Whether is Rice, Powell, Sharpton or Obama -- you're saying that the election of a Black president becomes proof that race, in the minds of white Americans, is no longer relevant -- that is, such an election, <u>in their minds</u>, would be proof that race is no longer a determinant of who gets what, when and how -- that we've 'overcome.'

Does that mean would should not look forward to such an election ???

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They'd (white folks/media) find a way to quickly discredit her as a valid and reputable candidate. Her affiliation with the Bush Administration, although powerful, would be enough to discredit her legitimacy. Yet if it did happen, on the contrary to what Jank said, I think racism would be even more distinct. Congress would prob get into filibuster mode and not get a damn thing done. The pressure would be very intense for her to make huge changes which no other President has been capable of, such as fix the health care system.... Example: Tyrone Willingham at Notre Dame, The man wasn't even allowed to finish his contract out..
 

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They'd (white folks/media) find a way to quickly discredit her as a valid and reputable candidate.
Well, so far, she's been the darling of the media and a lot of white people, hasn't she ??? Why would they suddenly turn against her ??? They could and the might -- but what makes you think so ???

Her affiliation with the Bush Administration, although powerful, would be enough to discredit her legitimacy.
I thought it was just that -- her affiliation with the Bush administration -- that has propelled her to new heights. Except maybe for a misstep on Iraq or some other unforeseen international crisis that might arise, which she or Bush may make before 2007-1/2 (because they will be lots of opportunity to do so in the next 2 1/2 years) if Condi is elected, wouldn't it have a lot to do with her affiliation with the present administration -- hence -- dispelling the notion that that affiliation would discredit her legitimacy ???

The attack on her legitimacy, thus far, has come more from segments of the Black community, than anywhere else. If elected, would <u>WE</u> attempt to scuttle her ??? More importantly, should we ???

Yet if it did happen, on the contrary to what Jank said, I think racism would be even more distinct. Congress would prob get into filibuster mode and not get a damn thing done. The pressure would be very intense for her to make huge changes which no other President has been capable of, such as fix the health care system.... Example: Tyrone Willingham at Notre Dame, The man wasn't even allowed to finish his contract out..
Do you think congress would go to great lengths to wreck a Rice presidency because she's black ??? I disagree with that statement for a lot of reasons, but -- considering the sheer size of the African American and Latino vote, do you really believe that congress would be that blind ???

If you are right, how do you explain her being confirmed as SecState in the first place ??? Why would congress not filibuster her confirmation -- then turn around and do so to her presidency ???

Help me with the apparent contradictions.

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QueEx said:
Well, so far, she's been the darling of the media and a lot of white people, hasn't she ??? Why would they suddenly turn against her ??? They could and the might -- but what makes you think so ???

From what I've seen yes she has, yet my point of view comes from the concept if she were to run for President. My primary belief that they'd turn against her comes from the racism in the media that I've seen. It just seems like there is always some sort of twist when someone of color is involved. My opinion.



I thought it was just that -- her affiliation with the Bush administration -- that has propelled her to new heights. Except maybe for a misstep on Iraq or some other unforeseen international crisis that might arise, which she or Bush may make before 2007-1/2 (because they will be lots of opportunity to do so in the next 2 1/2 years) if Condi is elected, wouldn't it have a lot to do with her affiliation with the present administration -- hence -- dispelling the notion that that affiliation would discredit her legitimacy ???

that's a catch 22 type of situation. As part of the Bush Admin she's in support of the enormous mess that is going on, so she's going to catch heat for that. Yet her affiliation pushes her "fame" and political status to where Colin Powell could have possibly been. So no that notion still stands b/c it will help on one end and hurt her on the other.


The attack on her legitimacy, thus far, has come more from segments of the Black community, than anywhere else. If elected, would <u>WE</u> attempt to scuttle her ??? More importantly, should we ???

I'm not sure what WE would do, but I know what I would do. I'm not a fan of hers b/c of her involvement in this Administration's wrongs. I gained a bit more respect for Colin Powell for speaking the truth and contradicting the Pres & Rumsfeld in interviews. Are WE obligated to support b/c of race?


Do you think congress would go to great lengths to wreck a Rice presidency because she's black ??? I disagree with that statement for a lot of reasons, but -- considering the sheer size of the African American and Latino vote, do you really believe that congress would be that blind ???

If you are right, how do you explain her being confirmed as SecState in the first place ??? Why would congress not filibuster her confirmation -- then turn around and do so to her presidency ???

Help me with the apparent contradictions.


I don't think congress would go to great lengths but I belive (IN MY OPINION) that they would make it a bit more difficult b/c of her race. We live in a racist society and to hide that or be naive about it would be foolish of anyone. I would hope congress isn't that blind but at the same time stranger things have happened. I have not been heavily involved in politics, but although she didn't have too much to struggle over when voted on for Sec of State, running for Presidency I believe puts a whole different strain on the situation.


This is all in my opinion....So beliefs, thoughts and ideas will vary...
 

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<font size="5"><center>TV puts woman in White House: will US follow suit?</font size></center>

<font size="4"><center>The producers are clearly betting that their efforts will
help Americans to come to terms with what
they hope will soon be the ultimate reality show:
the Hillary Rodham Clinton presidency</font size></center>

By Gerard Baker
The Times (London)
October 15, 2005

AMERICAN television is dominated by shows in which participants — everyday losers, budding actresses, washed-up celebrities — are placed in a challenging environment — a desert island, a tank of wriggling slugs, an office with Donald Trump — in a contest to survive.

The genre has been so successful that television executives have evidently decided to export it across departmental lines and make it the basis of a new drama series that is proving to be the biggest hit of the new autumn TV season.



It is a story about a woman suddenly thrust into a man’s job who finds that, despite concerted efforts to undermine her, she succeeds breezily, and, in fact, performs rather better than the man who in reality — in the world beyond the TV screens — is doing it.

ABC’s Commander in Chief stars Geena Davis as Mackenzie Allen, the first woman President of the United States. The basic Washington background story depicted in all Hollywood productions these days is so uniform that it must come as part of a package deal with the plywood sets of the White House and the Capitol.

A good, honest, decent, left-of-centre president who wants nothing more than to serve the country is surrounded by evil conservative enemies, all power-crazed nutters bent on turning Washington into the playground of rich corporate executives (although not, presumably, the altruistic entertainment ones). In Commander in Chief Donald Sutherland is a particularly convincing villain as the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

But this adaptation adds a twist designed to drive the Neanderthal Republicans crazy. It says, in effect, that a woman’s place is in the White House. Every episode features the sharp-suited President Allen — just like any other successful woman — juggling the conflicting demands of her busy life, wiping apple juice off her blouse on the way to an important meeting, reading bedtime stories, attending to her teenage daughter’s concerns about school, authorising a mission to rescue American soldiers, the usual stuff.

The message, so clearly telegraphed each week that it might as well be in subtitles, <u>is that not only is being a woman not an impediment to being president, it actually makes for a better president</u>.

The show’s very title, and the plot line developed each week, is designed to address the concern that polls suggest many Americans have about a woman president. They may think that a woman can handle the gentle domestic issues such as healthcare and education, but is she really up to leading the world’s superpower into war? You bet she is. Every week this president huddles with military advisers. They all think that she is a softie who is likely to break into sobs at the first thought of ordering anyone into a fight. But every week she is the one who is as hard as manicured nails, and has the sceptical generals marvelling at her toughness.

Eagle-eyed observers of American politics will have noted by now that this fantasy drama has a very real political analogue. The producers are clearly betting that their efforts will help Americans to come to terms with what they hope will soon be the ultimate reality show: <u>the Hillary Rodham Clinton presidency</u>.

The marketing for the new series was fairly blatant. Posters promoting it said simply “A Woman in the White House” and looked for all the world like a Hillary campaign ad. Its early success suggests that maybe the producers are on to something. Yet it is still tempting to believe that, although Commander in Chief may be how Hillary and her supporters envisage Mrs Clinton’s future, too many Americans still see in her ambitions the title of ABC’s more successful drama Desperate Housewives.


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<font size="4"><center>In an extract from his provocative new book, one of
Bill Clinton's former key advisers argues that in 2009, America
will have its first woman President - but will it be squeaky clean
Condoleezza Rice or controversial Hillary Clinton? </font size></center>

Dick Morris
Sunday October 16, 2005
The Observer

On 20 January 2009, at precisely noon, the world will witness the inauguration of the 44th President of the United States. As the chief justice administers the oath of office on the flag-draped podium in front of the US Capitol, the first woman President, Hillary Rodham Clinton, will be sworn into office. By her side, smiling broadly and holding the family Bible, will be her chief strategist, husband, and co-President, William Jefferson Clinton.
If the thought of another Clinton presidency excites you, then the future indeed looks bright. Because, as of this moment, there is no doubt that Hillary Clinton is on a virtually uncontested trajectory to win the Democratic nomination and, very likely, the 2008 election. She has no serious opposition in her party. The order of presidential succession from 1992 through 2008, in other words, may well become Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton.

But her victory is not inevitable. There is one, and only one, figure in America who can stop Hillary Clinton: Secretary of State Condoleezza 'Condi' Rice. Among all of the possible Republican candidates for President, Condi alone could win the nomination, defeat Hillary and derail a third Clinton administration.

Condoleezza, in fact, poses a mortal threat to Hillary's success. With her broad-based appeal to voters outside the traditional Republican base, Condi has the potential to cause enough major defections from the Democratic party to create serious erosion among Hillary's core voters. She attracts the same female, African-American and Hispanic voters who embrace Hillary, while still maintaining the support of conventional Republicans.

There is, perhaps, an inevitability to the clash: two highly accomplished women, partisans of opposite parties, media superstars and quintessentially 21st-century female leaders, have risen to the top of American politics. Each is an icon to her supporters and admirers. Two groundbreakers, two pioneers. Indeed, two of the most powerful women on the planet; Forbes magazine recently ranked Condi as number one and Hillary as number 26 in its 2005 list of the most powerful women in the world. For the first time in our history, a majority of voters say they would support a woman for President. In a May USA Today/CNN/Gallup Poll, an amazing 70 per cent indicated that they 'would be likely to vote for an unspecified woman for President in 2008'.

Hillary Clinton has always wanted to be the first woman President of the United States. Shortly after her husband's election in 1992, the couple's closest advisers openly discussed plans for her eventual succession after Bill's second term. Things didn't turn out quite that way, but her election to the Senate in 2000 gave her the national platform she needed to launch her new image - the 'Hillary Brand' - and begin her long march back to the White House.

Hillary Clinton does not want any other woman to take what she regards as her just place in history. Yet, ironically, it is Hillary's candidacy that makes Condi's necessary and, therefore, likely. The first woman nominated by the Democrats can only be defeated by the first woman nominated by the Republicans. Were Condi and Hillary to face one another, it would be the next great American presidential race and one of the classic bouts in history: Hector vs Achilles; Wellington vs Bonaparte; Lee vs Grant; Mary, Queen of Scots vs Elizabeth; Ali vs Frasier. And now, Condi vs Hillary.

These potential combatants are as different as, well, black and white. In many ways, they are mirror images of each other: not only white/black but north/south; Democrat/Republican; married/single; suburban/urban; and, in policy interests, domestic/foreign.

Their backgrounds are not in the least similar. While Hillary grew up in the middle-class security of white, Protestant Park Ridge, Illinois, Condi came of age on the wrong side of the racial divide in pre-civil rights Birmingham, Alabama. It was Rice who came from an educated, professional family; Hillary's was far more blue-collar. It is not only their family backgrounds and geography that were distinctive. Their careers also took very different paths. For more than 30 years, Hillary's success has always been coupled with her relationship with one powerful man: Bill Clinton.

Unlike Hillary, Condi has never married and her success has never been a matter of hitching her wagon to the political fortunes of a powerful man. Instead, she advanced strictly on her merits. She began her career by excelling as an academic and specialising in foreign affairs. Eventually, she brought that expertise to a family of Presidents. But it was always Condi's record of accomplishment that made her a prominent national figure.

When she was still in her twenties, she was elevated to the Stanford University faculty because she amazed her colleagues with her abilities. She came to Washington during the administration of President George HW Bush because she had impressed national security adviser Brent Scowcroft, who met her at Stanford. She was only 34 when she became the administration's chief expert on the Soviet Union. Condi Rice, in short, reached her position of power on the strength of her achievements.

Condi's and Hillary's respective reputations in politics, too, were diametrically opposed. Condoleezza Rice has never been involved in personal or professional wrongdoing; Hillary has been embroiled in scandal after scandal, ever since she entered public life. She has always teetered on the ethical edge.

Both women deny having plans to run for President in 2008. In Hillary's case, the demur is traditional, usually couched in an often-repeated coy and calculated answer - 'Right now, I am focusing on being the best senator from New York that I can be' - rather than a flat-out rejection of the idea.

Condi's dismissals have been more emphatic. During an interview with the Washington Times in March, she said she had no intention of running for President. A denial, but a soft one: 'I have never wanted to run for anything,' Rice said. 'I don't think I even ran for class anything when I was in school.'

The fact that Condi has not laid out a plan to run for President does not, by any means, signify that she won't run. It's not that simple. Compared with Hillary, she merely approaches her future in a very different way. She has never planned her advancement with the same degree of precision that Hillary has. She hasn't had to. Her obvious talent has stood out among her peers and her rapid promotions have always been the result. Hillary is different. She is a plodder; she approaches the presidential race like a long to-do list. For her, the path to the West Wing in 2008 is already laid. The strategy is in place, the players are on the team.

For the past 15 years, the Clintons have systematically built up a network of wealthy donors, influential supporters and opinion leaders throughout the country, creating a Rolodex of millions. They used the power of the presidency to reward these people by appointing them to jobs and commissions. They also understood the allure of invitations to the White House and used events like state dinners and Christmas parties to solidify the loyalty of their stalwarts.

Under Bill's tutelage, but with the discipline he lacks, Hillary will scrupulously follow their jointly developed plan to recapture power. They may not spend much time together, but they are united on their journey back to Pennsylvania Avenue. Hillary will absorb all the lessons her husband's history has to teach and dramatically and obviously move to the centre. The Clintons have always understood that they cannot attract swing voters with a leftist agenda. So, for the campaign, Hillary will become a moderate, at least in public.

But Hillary's newfound centrism focuses only on issues at the margins of American politics. She may attack sex on television or call for more values in public life, but when the chips are down, she votes like a solid liberal, backing her party more than 90 percent of the time.

Condi's way to 2008 is totally different. She has none of the presumptive-nominee aura that Hillary has working for her. Her viability as a contender for the 2008 nomination will depend on whatever successes she has as secretary of state. She will first be seen as plausible, then as desirable, and, finally, as voters see Hillary move to the fore, irresistible. In the end, it is not Condoleezza Rice who will come to the voters asking for the nomination, but they who will come to her, imploring her to run.

Can Rice be nominated? The vacuum in the Republican 2008 field makes it quite possible that she can.There is no heir apparent. Dick Cheney's health isn't strong enough, and nobody else from the cabinet stands out. Rudy Giuliani and John McCain are the early front-runners, gathering together more than four out of every five decided votes in the polls. But Rudy is too liberal to win the nomination. And McCain showed his limited appeal to GOP primary voters in 2000, when he won the votes of Independents but lost the vast majority of registered Republicans to Bush.

As meritorious as these two men are, they aren't going to win the Republican nomination. Their likely demise will leave an enormous vacuum. There will be a search for a real candidate, someone of stature, someone charismatic who can beat Hillary. And the party faithful will turn to Condi Rice. America has not seen a real draft of a presidential candidate since Dwight D Eisenhower in 1952. Yet popular acclamation can be one of the highest expressions of democracy.

A draft is especially possible at this time in America's history, for, as the 2004 election results revealed, there has been a seminal change in US politics. That was the year that the political ruling class was turned upside down. On the left and on the right, ordinary people found themselves in the vortex of the national campaign in 2004, each battling to be heard, outshouting the mainstream media and creating in the process a new, lower centre of gravity for our politics. It's just the kind of environment in which the grassroots activists can decide who they want to be President.

This grassroots domination of politics in 2004 began when the internet impelled Howard Dean upward so far and so fast that he almost beat John Kerry for the nomination. Then, when Kerry decided to build the edifice of his candidacy on the shaky foundation of his Vietnam record, the swift boat veterans, with very little money and no political experience, bested the Democratic publicity machine and brought the truth to the voters. Finally, it was the 1.6 million Republican workers - and their Democratic counterparts - who brought out 12 million more votes for Bush on election day than he got in 2000, and nine million more for Kerry than Al Gore received four years earlier. America had never seen anything like it in the 20th century.

The same avalanche of individual activists can animate the draft-Condi movement. So widespread is the admiration for this self-made woman and so ubiquitous the fear of the Hillary juggernaut that it may well be the spontaneous outpouring of hundreds of thousands of people that could propel a Rice candidacy.

It almost happened once before. In the autumn of 1995, General Colin Powell, newly resplendent in his post-Gulf War prestige, published his memoirs just as the pre-primary process for the 1996 Republican nomination to oppose Clinton was gathering steam. Inside the White House, Clinton was panicked. He ranted and railed apoplectically, to all within earshot, that Powell didn't deserve the 'free ride' the media were giving him.

For a while, Powell seemed unstoppable. As he careened from one packed book signing to the next, his name soared to the top of all the presidential polls. Enigmatically, he refused to acknowledge the political firestorm around him and would not address the possibility that he might run in 1996.

Then came the bad news: Powell couldn't beat Bob Dole in a Republican primary. His support for affirmative action, gun control and an array of liberal positions undermined him and left him without a party. 'Congratulations,' I told Clinton after showing him the poll demonstrating that Powell wouldn't get the nomination and therefore, I said, would not run. 'You just won the election.'

But Condi is not Colin. And 2008 is not the same as 1996. Back then, Powell had to live off the residual legacy of his Gulf War achievements. But Condi will find her inadvertent candidacy fuelled by her real-time accomplishments on the world stage. And wouldn't a Condoleezza Rice candidacy change America? The very fact that an African-American woman could actually become President would send a powerful message to every minority child that there is no more ceiling, no more limit for black Americans in elective politics. The sky would now be the limit.

Make no mistake about it. If the next presidential election were held today, Hillary Clinton would be in your face, exuberantly delivering her victory speech on every television network and beginning the redecoration of the White House, starting with the designation of the office for her chief adviser and the new first husband, Bill Clinton. (His would be the one right next to the President's dining room, the one with the small, eye-level window in the door, so she can easily see what he's up to.) Hillary is hot. She's popular. She's confident - and with good reason. She is by far the Democrats' top choice and she has the support of women voters, the key swing group who make the difference in American elections.

Money, for her, is no problem. Her donors love her and don't mind giving, over and over again. Her plan to win the nomination is viable and she never wavers from it. She's built a loyal team, strategically placing her former staffers in positions at her various political committees as well as in the National Democratic Party. She looks great - the days of crazy hairdos and wacky clothes are long behind her. Everything is clicking just right; barring yet another Clinton scandal, she looks unbeatable against the regularly mentioned field of Republican candidates. She's a winner and she knows it.

Hillary has found her groove. Her message is tight, clear and controlled. It reads: Hillary Clinton is a hardworking, effective moderate who can collaborate with even the most conservative Republicans on joint, highly visible (and usually uncontroversial) projects. She's highly supportive of the military, capable in foreign affairs and fighting to keep pornography and violence away from children. She's experienced; she spent eight years in the White House. She's independent of her husband, although very much married, and she's serious. She is not - repeat, not - a liberal.

But Hillary's strategy does not end with a move to the centre and an embrace of the military. She has a multipurpose ace in the hole: her husband. Many people still ask: 'Why does she stay with him?' Obviously, there are many personal reasons. Beyond that, there are political reasons. Together they have been a winning team for more than 30 years. It works for them. Even if they don't see each other very often, they still share two important common goals. The first is to elect Hillary as the first woman President. The second is to vindicate Bill's presidency. Bill plays an enormous role in Hillary's quest for the Oval Office. Not only is he her major adviser, cheerleader, and fund-raiser, but he is also a living reminder to the Democratic voters who adored him that he, too, would be back in the White House if she were elected. Without him, it would be very difficult for Hillary to be elected President.With him by her side, a third Clinton administration is within reach.

But Bill Clinton's presence behind the scenes is not nearly as important as what he can do for Hillary in front of the TV cameras. Just as Hillary offset Bill's principal weakness by 'standing by her man', so he can counter her chief problems by standing by his wife. Any first-time candidate for President faces doubts about his administrative ability, foreign policy experience and capacity to handle crisis. Particularly when the candidate is a woman who has held elective office for only a few years and who has no administrative or international experience, the doubts are likely to intensify. Bill's presence assuages them; his experience reassures sceptical voters. The first husband would be live-in help.

Condoleezza Rice can defeat Hillary Rodham Clinton. Were she to run, her candidacy would strike directly at the three pillars of the Democratic party's political base: African-Americans, Hispanics and white women. The Democrats cannot win without fully tapping all three sources of votes. A Hillary Clinton candidacy is particularly strong because of her appeal to all three bastions of Democratic power. Because of her husband's long identification with minority voters, her efforts to court Hispanic voters and her own gender and record of feminism, she stands to cash in on the support of all three groups in a huge way.

But Condoleezza Rice, also a woman and an African-American, blocks Hillary's built-in advantages. How would Condi fare among blacks? Would she crack the solid phalanx of African- American support for the Democratic party, something no Republican has done in 50 years?

A number of prominent black Democratic politicians think she could. Bill Clinton's former secretary of agriculture, Mike Espy, the first black congressman from Mississippi and a lifelong Democrat, thinks Condi would run well among America's blacks. Espy was one of two African-Americans in Clinton's first cabinet.

'They are two brilliant women,' Espy says, 'evenly matched, both well rounded, both with interests outside politics.' How would the black community vote? 'Their heads would be for Hillary,' Espy predicts, 'but their hearts would be with Condi.' And which would they follow? 'We often are emotional and follow our hearts. We would all like to have parents like Condi's - focused, encouraging, nurturing - and we'd all like to have a daughter like Condi,' Espy says.

When I pressed him for a numerical prediction, the former congressman thought for a while and then said: 'My guess is that the race [among African-American voters] would be pretty much even. Hillary may have a bit of an edge because of the hegemony of the Democratic party base, but Condi would run much, much better than any other Republican. My guess would be a 60-40 Hillary margin.'

Sixty-40! For a Republican to win four out of 10 black votes would mean a major realignment in American politics. If Rice should realise anything close to such a gain in the African-American vote - and do as well as Bush among the rest of the electorate - she would sweep to an overwhelming victory, a true landslide.

Condoleezza Rice's public record at the White House is of relatively recent vintage. It is her life story, more than her public career, that tells us why she could be a great President. Rice's biography is a unique story that bears elaboration. Condoleezza Rice has been defying odds since she was born in an all-black community in Birmingham, Alabama. Her family was solidly middle class, but in the Birmingham of those days, racial barriers could not be bypassed, even by money.

Shopping as a young girl with her mother at a local department store, an employee told her she could not use the 'whites only' dressing room and had to try on her clothing in a back storage cupboard. When Condi's mother refused and threatened to leave, the embarrassed employee relented. 'I remember,' Condi relates, 'the woman standing there guarding the [dressing room] door worried to death that she was going to lose her job.'

But the event that seared its way most powerfully into Rice's memory was the 1963 bombing of the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church, a few miles from her house. She heard the blast. Rice recalls the terror she felt, as an eight-year-old, that day.

'These terrible events burned into my consciousness,' she remembers. And as America shook its head in disbelief at the murder of four girls in the blast, Condi Rice was mourning the two she knew, including Denise McNair, her kindergarten classmate.

'I remember more than anything the small coffins and the sense that Birmingham was not a very safe place.'

Racism also followed her to the University of Denver, where her professor lectured the 250 students in his class on the genetic inferiority of African-Americans, citing the pseudo-scientific work of William Shockley.

Rice simmered as her professor recounted Shockley's belief that 'art, literature, technology, linguistics - all the treasures of Western civilisation - are the products of the superior white intellect'.

'Rather than crouch down in her seat to avoid the onslaught,' her biographer Antonia Felix reports, Rice 'sprang out of her chair and defended herself: "I'm the one who speaks French! I'm the one who plays Beethoven. I'm better at your culture than you are. This can be taught!'"

Yet Condoleezza's childhood is not just a saga of race and rage; it's also one of a middle-class young woman striving for excellence. As a recent New Yorker profile, written by Nicholas Lemann, pointed out: 'She was an only child, born to older [for that time and place; both Rices were over 30 when she was born], well-established parents, with a large supporting cast of relatives in addition to the community itself, and a long-standing family tradition of ambition and education.'

For all her childhood encounters with racism, Condi's life in Birmingham was one of relative privilege. According to Lemann, her parents 'brought a special intensity' to her upbringing; she had 'flute lessons and ballet lessons and French lessons and violin lessons and skating lessons and skipped two grades in school', entering college when she was 15.

Condi's mother and father tried to shield her from the arrows of racism. As Rice told Ebony magazine: 'Our parents really did have us convinced that even though I couldn't have a hamburger at Woolworth's, I could be President of the United States.'

Rice's childhood was very different from Hillary's. At the Rodham household, there was no such stress on disciplined self-improvement and, obviously, no sense of great obstacles to overcome. In her autobiography, Living History, Hillary notes gratefully: 'I was lucky to have parents who never tried to mould me into any category or career. They simply encouraged me to excel and be happy.' In the future senator's childhood, there were no French lessons, flute lessons, or piano lessons, just a childhood of hanging out.

The one theme that is present in Hillary's youth, but absent in Rice's, is politics. Even the few pages Mrs Clinton devotes to her childhood in Living History are filled with references to her youthful electoral triumphs. 'I was elected co-captain of the safety patrol at elementary school,' she tells us proudly. Rice, on the other hand, was entirely focused on individual self-improvement. She never ran for any office in school and remained separate and apart, a prodigy who mastered every manner of musical instrument.

Rice, even as a black girl in the segregated Birmingham of the 1950s and 1960s, was more of a loner. As Alma Powell, who was well placed in the Birmingham black social circle and later became Colin Powell's wife, described the Rices: 'They were not the generation that would get social change. They did not participate in sit-ins and marches. They were leery. In conversations with older people, you'd hear things like, "Oh, I don't know what's going to happen." But there was no opposition to the movement, none of that.' As one of Rice's friends put it: 'We don't all have a deprivation narrative.'

In the New Yorker, Lemann speaks of 'the great intellectual divide of 20th-century black America - between WEB DuBois, the radical proponent of political change, and Booker T Washington, the advocate of self-improvement and not confronting the Jim Crow system'. The Rices, he concludes, 'were more on the Washington side'.

Hillary came of age in the context of a movement - the anti-war student activism of the 1960s. Her memoir makes it clear that her political life really began at Wellesley, where she demonstrated on campus, defended the Black Panthers and travelled to California, to work in the law offices of former communist Robert Treuhaft, one of the Panthers' lawyers. From the start of her adulthood, Hillary saw herself as an agent of social change, an activist in a political world, always part of a group, a phalanx committed to rearranging the world.

In their differing backgrounds - and the life choices that flowed from them - Hillary and Condi reflect the different priorities of their political parties and the approach they take to the problems of social betterment, upward mobility and race relations.

If the Democrats see individual upward mobility as a danger to group cohesion, the Republicans see the tendency to herd into a group and stick together as stimulating a sense of victimhood and class identification that is alien to true democracy.

Democrats accuse Republicans of callousness, saying they neglect those at the bottom and work only for the few who are well equipped to compete in life. Republicans accuse Democrats of wanting to enhance bloc voting by trying to keep the poor and minorities in a group, dependent on handouts from the political system for their upward mobility.

So what kind of President would Hillary be? How would Condi handle the job? Let's start with policy. Hillary Clinton would be the most liberal President since Lyndon Johnson. Bill Clinton is a moderate by choice and, sometimes, a liberal by necessity. But his wife is the exact opposite. Hillary believes that government delivers services well and that the quest for private profit is the root of all selfishness and vice in American life.

In foreign affairs, Hillary's views are less clear. She is only just learning about these issues and her real opinions have yet to emerge - and probably won't until after she is elected. During her White House years, she was a peacenik, opposed to foreign interventions, against American involvement in Somalia and concerned that the administration would be too preoccupied with the Balkans. But now, who knows?

For her part, Condoleezza Rice shares the basic Bush/Republican outlook on public policy issues. She would likely seek to hold down taxes, limit the role of government and harness the private sector for the delivery of public services.

Like Hillary, Condoleezza Rice is a woman on a mission. But Rice's mission is the expansion of democracy. Where Hillary would focus primarily on expanding the role of the government at home, Rice would want to see America become more involved abroad.

But it is in temperament that these two women would most differ in the presidency. Rice hates to make enemies. While she is quite capable of standing her ground in any debate or give and take, she tries to charm rather than compel, to finesse when others would confront.

As first lady, Hillary Clinton defined herself by her enemies. She needed her adversaries constantly in her sights to reassure her that she was doing the right thing by opposing them.

One senses that Condoleezza Rice likes staff members who offer constructive criticism. Reared in academia, she seems to relish advice and seek out counsel. But Hillary does not. Many times I have sat with her top staffers, trying to figure out who would have the guts to go into the lion's den and tell Hillary she was making a mistake. Often I assumed the role myself, only to emerge with my head in my hands.

And finally, how would each grow in office?

Rice demonstrated a tremendous capacity for growth in the way she adjusted to the new environment of 9/11. Her evolving understanding of the need for a morally grounded foreign policy that rotates around the push for global democracy shows how much this woman can grow to meet new demands and situations.

Hillary's inability to accept criticism makes it harder for her to grow. She often comes to tactical conclusions, altering her conduct to suit the opportunities and challenges of the moment. But she is capable of surprising us. Since her election to the Senate in November 2000, Hillary Clinton seems happier than she did in the White House.

Starting with her campaign for Senate, though, Hillary seems to have lightened up. Having moved into her own political career, it's possible that she may finally have absorbed the lessons it has to teach. She may have seen the limits of confrontational politics and the virtual certainty that anything that is hidden in Washington will always come out - and come back to haunt you.

Then again, she may not. Beneath the newfound good cheer, she may be the same old Hillary she has always been. We just don't know.

The election of 2008 will be the next great presidential race. With the possibility of two popular women as candidates, the voters will make history. We can only hope it's the right kind of history.

· Extracted from Condi vs Hillary: The Next Great Presidential Race by Dick Morris and Eileen McGann published by Harper Collins. © Dick Morris and Eileen McGann 2005. Dick Morris served as Bill Clinton's political consultant for 20 years. Condi vs Hillary is published in the UK by ReganBooks on 1 November


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Look into my eyes you are getting sleepy!!!
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Re: Condoleeza For President ?

In an extract from his provocative new book, one of
Bill Clinton's former key advisers argues that in 2009, America
will have its first woman President - but will it be squeaky clean
Condoleezza Rice
or controversial Hillary Clinton?




:smh: :smh:

She has blood on her hands
 

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Re: Condoleeza For President ?

easy_b said:
In an extract from his provocative new book, one of
Bill Clinton's former key advisers argues that in 2009, America
will have its first woman President - but will it be squeaky clean
Condoleezza Rice
or controversial Hillary Clinton?




:smh: :smh:

She has blood on her hands
as opposed to every other national security advisor or a secretary of state?

let me guess the blood on her hands is redder because she's a republican.

i love when black people are so fair.
 

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Rice: War 'Mistakes' will be Rectified

The website "BusinessDay" from which the original
article was hotlinked/iframed has taken the article
down (I should have posted the article instead of
framing it anyway). Below is the transcript of Rice's
comments with German Chancellor Angela Merkel in
which the "war mistakes will be rectified" comments.
The comments are in bold in the transcript.


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<font size="5"><center>Condoleezza Rice & Angela Merkel Press Conference</font size></center>

Wednesday, 7 December 2005, 12:31 pm
Press Release: US State Department

Press Availability With
German Chancellor Angela Merkel

Secretary Condoleezza Rice
Berlin, Germany
December 6, 2005

CHANCELLOR MERKEL: (Via interpreter) Ladies and gentlemen, it gives me great pleasure to be able to welcome here to the Federal Chancellor's Office the U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. This is a continuation of the dialogue between both our countries that we started in Washington and that we've continued over the course of this year -- earlier this year -- during the visit of the American President to Mainz. It gives me great pleasure today, Secretary, to be able to welcome you in my new capacity as Federal Chancellor, because when we met during the visit of the President on earlier occasions, we meet with me still being the leader of the opposition.

In our meeting today we agreed on the close partnership and the cooperation between the United States of America and the Federal Republic of Germany as close partners and friends. And in a very comprehensive sense indeed we intend to cooperate and to continue our cooperation; that is to say, to cover all areas, the political issues, of the field of economical -- economic cooperation.

I also used the opportunity to explain that my government has a very clear objective -- is guided by clear principles in the field of foreign policy. The German foreign policy is a policy that serves the interests of the German people and, in so doing, it basically serves on two pillars, one of which is a European unity and the other is a close transatlantic partnership. Those are interdependent; those go together. Those are very important pillars for us. I tried to highlight that in the meeting today.

Our partnership is based on common values, on our belief in democracy and democratic principles and values, that is. Indeed we believe that to be a very high good, a good that has to be defended against all the threats that may come up. And we're also fully aware of the fact that these threats are changing and that in the 21st century, too, these threats come up against which we have to defend ourselves.

We have to fight the challenges of the 21st century. We have to face up to them and we have to face up to quite demanding challenges indeed in many areas and we have to do so convincingly. And we have been so doing always to try to strike a certain balance. While trying to defend ourselves against the threats that endanger our values and the freedom on which our societies are based, we at the same time have to see to it that we seek the right means, means proportionate that allow us to stay in line with the legal system and the laws in which we believe.

Secretary Rice and German Chancellor Angela Merkel at their press conference in Berlin, Tuesday, Dec. 6, 2005. In this particular context we also touched upon an issue that is very much in the public eye these days, a subject of public debate, and that is the issue of the alleged CIA --- the issue of the CIA's overflights, which brings me to the following point. I've talked about the direction and the principles which guide our foreign policy. When we talk about this, we always have to bear in mind how we can then actually implement our foreign policy so as to achieve the desired results. We have to, on the one hand, adhere to the rules of democracy, the democratic principles and rules to which we've expressed our commitment; but at the same time, we have to see that our intelligence services can actually do the job that they've been created to do, which is to say we need intelligence services in order to be able to face up to the threats to our society in this century of ours.

It's very important that whilst we adhere to the rules and the international obligations, to laws that govern us and the international obligations to which we've committed ourselves, it can also mean that in specific cases, like in the case of this gentleman -- we've talked about Mr. Masri -- and I've made that very clear because I went public and said I think it's desirable for the Foreign Minister, Mr. Steinmeier, to go and to report to the parliament and to do so in a respected parliamentary body, which is the parliamentary control body. We believe that to be -- I believe that to be the right place for such a discussion. We want to make it clear, on the one hand, that we can't go public about all the details, but at the same time we need to introduce a certain degree of transparency. If such a case like the case of Mr. Masri were to be repeated, then again we would take the matter to this particular body in the parliament, the parliamentary control body. I think that is the responsible body in Germany for such a debate.

We had an opportunity to talk about a number of other issues, too. We touched upon the situation and the role that NATO has to play. We talked about relations with Russia. We talked about the conflict in Iran and the state of discussions there. We talked about the situation in Iraq. And we also talked about our common commitment in Afghanistan. In a nutshell, we covered the complete spectrum of foreign policy. We did a complete tour d' horizon. And it will indeed give a great pleasure and I'm looking forward to the upcoming visit that I will take to the United States of America and the opportunity I will then have to speak to the American President. Indeed our meeting today, Secretary of State, I believe was a very good start for an intensified relationship between both our countries.

SECRETARY RICE: Thank you, Chancellor Merkel. First of all, it's a delight to be back in Berlin. This great city that is in and of itself something of a miracle given that just a couple of decades ago, or not even that long ago, this city was divided and was a symbol of East-West conflict. It's great to be here to see its beauty and to enjoy the holiday preparations that are being made here in Berlin.

It is a pleasure to meet with Chancellor Merkel and I congratulate you on your election victory. We had a very extensive discussion -- following our discussions that I've had with Foreign Minister Steinmeier and I also look forward, as I know the President does, to your visit to Washington in January to continue to strengthen the foundations of the U.S.-German relationship, of the relationship that -- a transatlantic relationship which has much work to do in the efforts to support and bring democracy to areas that have not yet experienced the blessings of liberty.

As the Chancellor's mentioned we did talk about a wide range of issues: Afghanistan, Iraq, the potential for progress in the Middle East between Israel and the Palestinians. We talked about the challenges in the European neighborhood, continuing the progress of democracy in Russia and hoping for progress in places like Belarus where Europe's last dictator still resides.

I mentioned also to the Chancellor that I will soon go to Ukraine and of course this is a country that is also making a very important transition and we look forward to intensifying our cooperation there. The European Union has been very involved in the development of a plan for action with Ukraine as has the United States and this is an area that really does bear our attention. The people who launched the Orange Revolution now need to deliver on that revolution and we look forward to cooperation with Germany on this very important task.

Let me say also that I could not agree more with the Chancellor that the challenges that we face in the new war, the war on terrorism, are indeed challenges that challenge us to make certain that we are doing all that we can to protect our populations from the threats of those who would wantonly kill innocents. But we must do this within the context of laws and our international obligation.

As such, we had a discussion of the issues that have been in the press concerning detainees. I reiterated for the Chancellor what I said yesterday is that first of all, the United States does not condone torture. It is against U.S. law to be involved in torture or conspiracy to commit torture. And it is also against U.S. international obligations and the President has made it very clear that U.S. personnel will operate within U.S. law and within our international obligations.

I also reiterated that our cooperation with our partners around the world, our intelligence cooperation, is extremely important to protecting the citizens of the United States but also the citizens of our partners. And we do have to have intelligence organizations that can cooperate, that can be effective, that can bring to bear intelligence on the terrorism problem because without good intelligence, you can simply not protect innocent civilians from the kinds of attacks that we have experienced across the globe.

I reiterated, finally, that we respect the sovereignty of our partners. We are going to be best at fighting the war on terrorism and protecting our citizens if we cooperate. And we have been cooperating. I just want to note that it is completely -- completely important and indeed proper in democracies that when issues come up that they are debated. It is also proper that friends be able to talk about issues of concern. It is also important, though, that any debate have a healthy respect for the challenge that we face when we face an enemy that operates from within our societies and that is intent -- intent, not by collateral damage, but intent on killing innocent civilians as they have done in New York and in Washington and in London and in Madrid and in Casablanca and in Amman and all over the world. We have an obligation to defend our people and we will use every lawful means to do so.

Thank you, Chancellor, for your warm reception.

QUESTION: Madame Chancellor. (Inaudible). Have you been satisfied with the information and the explanations given to you by the American Secretary of State on the CIA flights and the kidnapping of a German national?

CHANCELLOR MERKEL: (Via Interpreter) First, I was very grateful and I am very grateful for the American Secretary of State, that she has reiterated that America stands by its international commitments, that it stands by its rejection of torture and that it adheres to the laws of the United States of America.

In the meeting we had, I myself made it quite clear that I, as the Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany, work under and adhere to German laws and to the international commitments my country has entered into. And I believe that that is a good basis on which we build. I can build it on which we can attend to those commitments that we have made as members of the same alliance. And if doubts, if questions come up, we know full well that our partners, too, work on the basis of the laws applying in their countries and in line with their international commitments.

Now as far as to the German hostage, that is an issue we, too, talked about. And I asked the Secretary of State for the help of the American services to the extent that that help can be provided and ultimately made it clear that we will be very grateful, indeed, if any kind of assistance could be made available here.

SECRETARY RICE: Thank you. And on the hostage, I said to Chancellor Merkel that we will do everything that we can through our people in Iraq and through our intelligence services to try and help resolve that issue, hopefully, in a favorable way.

As to the case of Mr. Al-Masri, I am not going to comment on any specific case. There are reports to -- newspaper reports and, of course, I believe this is going to be a matter for litigation, so it's properly handled in that channel. I did say to the Chancellor that when and if mistakes are made, we work very hard and as quickly as possible to rectify them. Any policy will sometimes have mistakes and it is our promise to our partners that should that be the case, that we will do everything that we can to rectify those mistakes. I believe that this will be handled in the proper courts here in Germany and if necessary in American courts as well.

QUESTION: Yes, Madame Secretary, I know you just said you don't want to comment on any specific case, but in the Al-Masri matter, is it ever appropriate for the U.S. to ask another sovereign government not to release information regarding one of its own citizens? And of course, he ended up going public himself, but like sort of an explanation of how that decision was made? And to Chancellor Merkel, do you think that the German people will be satisfied with Secretary Rice's explanation yesterday of U.S. policies and how do you think that maybe a year from now the German people will view this whole matter?

SECRETARY RICE: Concerning your first question, the Chancellor has said how she intends to deal with this matter here in Germany in a proper committee of the Bundestag and we respect that decision. We very often, when intelligence matters are involved, we, of course, respect the fact that intelligence matters need to be -- that intelligence needs to be treated sensitively, because in order for intelligence agencies to operate we cannot publicize everything that they do. It should be no surprise to anyone that intelligence agencies gather intelligence and that that is a process and an activity that is largely out of public view. But we're completely supportive of how the Chancellor intends to handle this case.

CHANCELLOR MERKEL: I think that the statement, the information that the American Secretary of State provided yesterday, the statement that she made to the press before she left for Germany yesterday and the information she provided me with here today, is good information, valuable information for the German people. Now, you can imagine it's a teeny bit difficult for me at this point in time to gage what the position would be like in a year from now, what point of view the German public will then take.

On the one hand, we are under certain obligations as members of the same alliance. We have obligations and commitments that we have to fulfill. And on the other hand, we are obliged and have certain obligations to our own laws and international commitments. I do believe that we can do both; we can attend to the one and the other at the same time. And if questions or if problems occur, then of course we have to talk about them, but I intend to do so in an open and a friendly and in a way that is based on partnership.

QUESTION: Thank you. Nicholas Kralev of The Washington Times. Madame Chancellor, you now have heard what the Secretary had to say about the issue today. I assume you read her statement yesterday. Do you -- first of all, do you agree with the American definition of torture? Second, do you think that the renditions are an effective tool in the war on terrorism, as the Secretary said yesterday? And under your government, are these German intelligence services going to cooperate fully with the United States in the next two or four years of your -- four years of your administration? Sorry to make both -- (laughter). Please erase from the record. (Laughter.)

And Madame Secretary, you talked yesterday about the responsibility of every government to protect its citizens and you implied that perhaps other countries and other governments know enough about what you are doing in those countries and on their territories. Do you think that there has been a lot of pointing to Washington in Europe or do you think that the governments here should actually offer some of the answers to those questions that have arisen in the past few weeks?

CHANCELLOR MERKEL: Yes, indeed, I believe it's not only a question of the American laws, it's also a question of -- we're talking about a country that has signed the International Convention Against Torture. So that is indeed a very important point and therefore the statement by the American Secretary of State has been a very important one.

As far as that goes, I think this is a basis (inaudible) based on the legal system in the respective country, the laws and the international commitment of the respective country. I do believe that there is room and it is good to have full cooperation of the intelligence services and that they should indeed cooperate.

We are talking about two countries that are committed to the same values, that share the same international commitment. And I think these countries should make use of the scarce resources available, the best use possible, in the difficult fight that they (inaudible) against a common threat (inaudible) of the 21st century. And therefore, I think cooperation of the intelligence services is indeed feasible. It's something that ought to be done, all based though on the basis of the respective countries -- the countries involved adhering to the laws and the commitments it has entered into.

SECRETARY RICE: And I would simply underscore that we are countries of laws. That's why we -- one of the reasons that our alliance has worked so well is that we do share values and we do share a belief in the rule of law. We will live up, in the United States, to our commitments under our laws and to our international obligations. We will, in that framework, do everything that we can do lawfully to protect our people. We will do everything that we can to cooperate with likeminded intelligence services because we need to remember that this is essentially a war in which intelligence is absolutely key to success. If you are going to uncover plots, if you are going to get to people before they commit their crimes, that is largely an intelligence function.

And if you don't get to them before they commit their crimes, unlike in the traditional law enforcement area, they will have committed mass murder against innocent people whom, by the way, they target. They target innocent people. That was a wedding party in Amman. Those were schoolchildren in Beslan. This was a subway in Madrid and a subway in -- a transportation system with people going to work in London. They weren't targeting "enemy soldiers." They were targeting innocent civilians.

When you face that kind of threat, you have an obligation to do everything that you can to protect people, and that means getting to the perpetrators of such crimes before they can commit them. That's why I am so grateful to our partners for that all that we have done. I think we have saved American lives and we have saved European lives and we have saved lives in other parts of the world, too.

And I look forward to our continued cooperation with German intelligence and German law enforcement, and of course at the political level. Because ultimately, as the Chancellor and I discussed today, while we want to stop every terrorist attack that we can, we also have to deal with the fundamental circumstances that are producing terrorism. And that's why the work that is being done in the Broader Middle East Initiative or in the Barcelona process, why the work that we are doing to find a just and peaceful solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict and why the work that we are doing together to strengthen the new democracies in places like Afghanistan and Iraq is so central to the war on terrorism.

CHANCELLOR MERKEL: One last question, possibly -- if possible, please don't make it three questions to each and every one of us. (Laughter.)

QUESTION: Madame Chancellor -- what -- sorry, I apologize State Department Secretary to understand.

What does the federal government -- I'm not referring to any particular case now, any case in discussion these days. But what in general is the position or the views of federal government on the practice of rendition, the transfer -- rather, the capture of German nationals then to be transferred to a third country for interrogation? And is that something that you talked about with the Secretary of State today?

And a question to the Secretary of State. Are you in a position to say that that practice has never been used against a German national and will never be used against a German national?

CHANCELLOR MERKEL: Actually, the two parts of your question seem to be mutually exclusive and I've very relieved and pleased that I'm able to say that we actually talked about that one particular case and that the American Government, the American Administration, has admitted that this man had been erroneously taken and that as such the American Administration is not denying that it has taken place.

I am also very pleased to note that the American Secretary of State has said that such a mistake, if it occurred, has to be rectified. And as for the rest of its activities, the American Government has made it very clear that they act on the basis of American laws and American international commitments.

As for the rest, we have not talked about any other cases.

SECRETARY RICE: And we act within our obligations internationally, within our own U.S. laws, and that is what I have reiterated to the Chancellor. Obviously, I'm not going to get into specifics of what we have or have not done in particular intelligence operations because intelligence operations can be easily compromised. What I did say is that while I could not talk about the specifics of the Al-Masri case, that we recognize that the Chancellor will be reviewing this in a committee of the Bundestag. We also recognize that any policy will sometimes result in errors, and when it happens we will do everything we can to rectify it. 2005/T20-2


Released on December 6, 2005


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Re: Rice: War 'Mistakes' will be Rectified

Wednesday, 7 December 2005, 12:31 pm
Press Release: US State Department

Press Availability With
German Chancellor Angela Merkel

Secretary Condoleezza Rice
Berlin, Germany
December 6, 2005

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As to the case of Mr. Al-Masri, I am not going to comment on any specific case. There are reports to -- newspaper reports and, of course, I believe this is going to be a matter for litigation, so it's properly handled in that channel. I did say to the Chancellor that when and if mistakes are made, we work very hard and as quickly as possible to rectify them. Any policy will sometimes have mistakes and it is our promise to our partners that should that be the case, that we will do everything that we can to rectify those mistakes. I believe that this will be handled in the proper courts here in Germany and if necessary in American courts as well.

<font size="6"><center>The wronged man</font size></center>

Editorial
The Los Angeles Times
December 8, 2005

THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION has a new public relations nightmare, and his name is Khaled Masri. His case has turned Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's tour of Europe into a debacle, and if even half of his allegations are true, America's ever-grimier reputation in "old Europe" will have another indelible stain.

Masri, a 42-year-old German citizen, filed suit Tuesday against former CIA Director George J. Tenet and three private aviation companies. He claims he was snatched while on vacation in Macedonia in December 2003, drugged and flown to Afghanistan, where he was held for five months in one of those secret CIA prisons that the administration pretends don't exist.

In prison, he says, he was beaten, photographed naked and held in squalid conditions. According to his lawsuit, he was detained for two months even after the CIA learned it had nabbed the wrong man, apparently because the Lebanese-born Masri's name was confused with that of an Al Qaeda operative. He was released on an Albanian hillside in May 2004, having never been charged with a crime.

Masri is no enemy combatant; he was a car salesman. If the Bush administration had any secret evidence of his links to terrorism, Rice would presumably have shared it with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, with whom she met on Tuesday.

Instead, Merkel said Rice admitted that the United States had kidnapped Masri by mistake. A Rice aide then made matters worse by denying that the secretary had admitted error in the Masri case. (The aide spoke on condition of anonymity, using diplomatic cover to imply that the new leader of Germany is either a ditz or a liar.) Now the American and European public is left to wonder who is lying: the German chancellor or the U.S. secretary of State?

If the Bush administration has any evidence to show Masri's story is false, it should present it. If, on the other hand, it knows that CIA officials masterminded the kidnapping and detention of an innocent man, it should apologize and explore his offer of a settlement.

Either way, it should spare Americans the disgrace of a trial at which the U.S. government attempts, through legal sophistry, to justify "extraordinary rendition." Can this administration truly believe the war on terrorism justifies snatching anyone it suspects, anywhere in the world, and interrogating him in secret prisons for any amount of time, all without any judicial oversight?

Rice's response so far has been unconvincing and legalistic. She insists that the U.S. as a matter of policy does not "condone" torture, yet she refuses to acknowledge the existence of secret CIA prisons in Europe, Afghanistan and elsewhere. Nor will she comment on the growing numbers of people like Masri who claim to have been tortured in these prisons.

Rice's performance is not only disappointing but counterproductive. She has done more than any other U.S. official to mend the rupture with Europe over the Iraq war, helping to craft more sensible and multilateral policies on Iran, Syria and North Korea. Now, chastened by her reception in Europe and the unpopularity of the administration's tactics, perhaps Rice can come home and persuade President Bush to adopt a more sensible and multilateral approach.

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Our secretary of state's tortuous defense of supposedly nonexistent C.I.A. torture chambers in Eastern Europe was an acid flashback to Clintonian parsing.

Just as Bill Clinton, during the '92 campaign, pranced around questions about marijuana use at Oxford by saying he had never broken the laws of his country, so Condoleezza Rice pranced around questions about outsourcing torture by suggesting that President Bush had never broken the laws of his country.

But in Bill's case, he was only talking about smoking a little joint, while Condi is talking about snatching people off the street and throwing them into lethal joints.

''The United States government does not authorize or condone torture of detainees,'' she said.

It all depends on what you mean by ''authorize,'' ''condone,'' ''torture'' and ''detainees.''

Ms. Rice also claimed that the U.S. did not transport terrorism suspects ''for the purpose of interrogation using torture.'' But, hey, as Rummy likes to say, stuff happens.

The president said he was opposed to torture and then effectively issued regulations to allow what any normal person -- and certainly a victim -- would consider torture. Alberto Gonzales et al. have defined torture deviancy downward to the point where it's hard to imagine what would count as torture. Under this administration, prisoners have been hung by their wrists and had electrodes attached to their genitals; they've been waterboarded, exposed to extreme heat and cold, and threatened with death -- even accidentally killed.

Does Ms. Rice think anyone is buying her loophole-riddled defense? Not with the Italians thinking of rounding up C.I.A. officers to ask them whether they abducted a cleric in Milan. And with Torquemada Cheney slouching around Capitol Hill trying to circumvent John McCain and legalize torture at the C.I.A.'s secret prisons by preventing Congress from requiring decent treatment for U.S. prisoners.

As Scott Shane reports in The Times today, a German man, Khaled el-Masri, says he was kidnapped, beaten and spirited away to Afghanistan by C.I.A. officers in an apparent case of mistaken identity in 2003. He is suing the former C.I.A. chief George Tenet and three companies allegedly involved in the clandestine flights.

Mr. Masri, a 42-year-old former car salesman, was refused entry to the U.S. on Saturday. He had intended to hold a news conference in Washington yesterday, but ended up talking to reporters over a video satellite link, telling how he was beaten, photographed nude and injected with drugs during five months in detention.

Mr. Masri said through an interpreter: ''I don't think I'm the human being I used to be.''

When Ms. Rice was a Stanford professor of international relations, she would have flunked any student who had dared to offer her the sort of willfully disingenuous piffle she spouted on the eve of her European trip.

Maybe she figures that if she was able to fool people once with double talk about W.M.D., she can fool them again with double talk about rendition.

As chatter spreads about Condi as a possible presidential contender, we are left wondering, once more, who this woman really is. Is she doing this willingly, or is she hemmed in by the powerful men around her? As a former national security adviser who has had the president's ear for five years, did she try to fight the appalling attempt to shred the Geneva Conventions, or did she go along with it? Is she doing Vice's nefarious bidding on torture, just as she did on ginning up the case for invading Iraq?

As Condi used weasel words on torture, Hillary took a weaselly position on flag-burning. Trying to convince the conservatives that she's still got a bit of that Goldwater Girl in her, the woman who would be the first woman president is co-sponsoring a Republican bill making it illegal to desecrate the American flag. The red staters backing this measure are generally the ones who already can't stand Hillary, so they won't be fooled.

The senator doing Clintonian triangulating is just as transparent as the secretary doing Clintonian parsing.

Speaking of silly masquerades, does Judge Samuel Alito Jr. think he's fooling anyone by presenting himself as a reasonable jurist? Here's a guy whose entire career seems to be based on interfering with women's lives. He wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade, condoned the strip search of a 10-year-old girl and belonged to a conservative alumni club that resisted the admission of women to Princeton.

All in all, a bad week for women -- sheer torture to watch.
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German abduction case gets murkier - did U.S. pay?

German abduction case gets murkier - did U.S. pay?
By Mark Trevelyan, Security Correspondent
1 hour, 41 minutes ago

BERLIN (Reuters) - German politicians expressed surprise on Thursday at reported U.S. comments that Washington had apologized and paid money to a German citizen it abducted to Afghanistan and held for months as a terrorist suspect.

The case of Khaled el-Masri, who is suing the Central Intelligence Agency for wrongful imprisonment and torture, took a new twist with comments from Interior Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble in parliament on Wednesday.

Schaeuble shed new light on a conversation on May 31, 2004, between his predecessor Otto Schily and then-U.S. ambassador Daniel Coats, at which Coats first told the German government that one of its citizens had been detained.

Coats had said that Masri "had received an apology, agreed to keep quiet and been paid a sum of money," Schaeuble said.

But he said the U.S. envoy had not gone into detail about what happened to Masri. He had mentioned "neither the word Afghanistan, nor the length of time he had been held by the American side."

Masri's lawyer told German media his client had not received money from the Americans, and dismissed the account as an attempt to smear him.

The case has caused a political storm in Germany, with the government under pressure to demand a full explanation from Washington and clarify when German officials were told of the case and what they did about it.

Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier told parliament on Wednesday that the government found out about the Masri case only after his release.

'NEW ADMISSION'

Hans-Christian Stroebele, deputy leader of the opposition Greens, said the question of whether the United States had paid Masri was a significant new element.

"That is an additional admission. You don't pay money unless you're conscious of making a serious mistake," he told Reuters.

In a U.S. lawsuit against ex- CIA director George Tenet and other unnamed officials, Masri is seeking compensation of at least $75,000, plus "punitive and exemplary damages" and legal fees.

"If the Americans say he already received money...then that's a question that is obviously significant to this legal case and I assume it will be cleared up in the United States," Stroebele said.

Foreign Minister Steinmeier on Wednesday said Germany played no part in the abduction of Masri, who was arrested in Macedonia on December 31, 2003, and then flown to Afghanistan, where he remained in jail until late May 2004.

The affair has drawn international attention at a time when Washington faces allegations that the CIA has run secret prisons in Europe and elsewhere, and covertly transferred suspects to countries where they may face torture.

The United States has defended its intelligence methods as legal, saying it will do everything within the law to win the war on terrorism. A U.S. embassy spokesman declined to comment on the latest developments in Masri's case.

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By Alec Russell in Washington
(Filed: 17/03/2006)

The long-awaited new United States national security strategy unveiled yesterday will almost certainly come to be known as the Condoleezza Rice doctrine.

It is assertive yet nuanced, reflecting the shift in US foreign policy since she became secretary of state last year.

The 49-page document pays homage to its revolutionary September 2002 predecessor which unveiled to a wary world Washington's new- found belief in pre-emption and the abandonment of America's Cold War policy of deterrence.

It has a bleak and dramatic opening: "America is at war. This is a wartime national security strategy required by the grave challenge we face..."

Despite the nightmarish problems facing US troops in Iraq, pre-emption, it makes clear, remains very much an important part of America's strategy. Iran, in particular, is given a stern warning that if diplomacy fails it risks facing Washington's wrath.

But the tone of yesterday's statement is more measured and even multilateral than its predecessor. It is unmistakeably the work of Ms Rice, who appears to have wrested control of foreign policy from the outspoken hawks who dominated President George W Bush's first term.

Three and half years ago, with America still suffused in anger and a desire for revenge following the September 11 attacks, diplomacy was barely mentioned and instead the Bush administration all but dared the rest of the world to defy it.

To defeat the threat of terrorism, America would use "every tool in our arsenal - military power, better homeland defences, law enforcement, intelligence and vigorous efforts. . .", the 2002 strategy said. "It was time to reaffirm the essential role of American military strength."

Now, however, America has made clear that it wants to make use of a much more varied set of tools. The use of the imperial bludgeon has not been disavowed, but henceforth "soft power", the use of economic, cultural and diplomatic blandishments will be to the fore.

"In the cause of ending tyranny and promoting effective democracy we will employ the full array of political, economic, diplomatic and other tools at our disposal," runs the introduction to a chapter entitled "How we will advance freedom".

The overarching theme is spreading democracy rather than the more confrontational 2002 vision of facing down rogue states. Also for every reference to the possible use of force there is a balancing sentence stressing that military action should be a very last resort and that diplomacy is to be attempted and preferred if at all possible.

"Taking action need not involve military force," the new document says under a sub-section "The Need for Action".

"Our strong preference and common practice is to address proliferation concerns through international diplomacy in concert with key allies and regional partners."

The document was unveiled by Stephen Hadley, the national security adviser, but there is no doubt that its principal author was his predecessor, Ms Rice.

Ms Rice is no dove. She remains a forceful advocate of the mission in Iraq and while she has embraced a multilateral approach to Teheran, she has made clear it is time to be more confrontational.

But, as one of her assistants said, she believes that diplomacy if used as a means rather than an end in itself is vital to US interests.

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Rice Accepts DJ's Apology for Racial Slur

Rice Accepts DJ's Apology for Racial Slur
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Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has accepted the apology of a disc jockey fired for using a racial slur to describe her, saying the incident shows that even mature democracies take centuries to heal racial wounds.

"My understanding is that he apologized, said he didn't mean it," Rice told "Fox News Sunday." "I accept that because we all say things from time to time that we shouldn't say or didn't mean to say."

Dave Lenihan of KTRS in St. Louis apologized on the air immediately after making what he said was a slip of the tongue during his morning show on Wednesday.

Lenihan had praised Rice, who has frequently said she aspires to run the NFL one day but has ruled out seeking to replace retiring Commissioner Paul Tagliabue, who recently announced his retirement.

On his show, Lenihan said: "She's been chancellor of Stanford. She's got the patent resume of somebody that has serious skill. She loves football. She's African-American, which would kind of be a big coon. A big coon. Oh my God. I am totally, totally, totally, totally, totally sorry for that."

He said he had meant to say "coup" instead of the slur. KTRS president and general manager Tim Dorsey agreed that the remark was accidental but announced the same day that Lenihan had been fired.

Rice said Sunday that the incident is evidence that the "birth defect" of slavery infuses even mature democracies with racial tensions that take generations to heal.

Rice added that she hopes the episode inspires Americans to "be a little bit more humble" about the progress of emerging democracies such as those in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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D.C. bureau chief Philip Taubman and his wife, Times reporter Felicity
Barringer, and attended by Arthur Sulzberger Jr., Maureen Dowd, Steven
Weisman, and Elisabeth Bumiller, Rice was reportedly overheard saying,
“As I was telling my husband” and then stopping herself abruptly, before
saying, “As I was telling President Bush.” Jaws dropped, but a guest
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<font face="verdana" size="4" color="#333333">she admits <s>errors</s> lies because in the 'reality based' , 'fact-based' community her lies have been exposed totally. Chapter & Verse. Game Over!!!

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READ: PREWAR INTELLIGENCE Insulating Bush

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she's going to regret saying that, not because it was the truth, but because the public isnt in the mindset to know the proper context that hundreds if not thousands of tactical decisions are made daily.

this is how you know she isnt a politician.
 

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By Glenn Kessler
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, April 1, 2006; Page A01

BLACKBURN, England, March 31 -- Greeted by antiwar protesters at almost every stop in a tour of a working-class region of England, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Friday that the Bush administration has probably made thousands of "tactical errors" in its handling of the Iraq war. But she defended the invasion as the right strategic decision.

Iraqi President Saddam Hussein "wasn't going anywhere without military intervention," Rice told a crowd of British foreign policy experts in the clubhouse of the local soccer stadium here. And, she said, "you were not going to have a different Middle East with Saddam Hussein at the center of it."

But in response to a question about whether the administration had learned from its mistakes over the past three years, she said officials would be "brain-dead" if they did not recognize where they had erred.

"I know we've made tactical errors, thousands of them I'm sure," Rice said. "But when you look back in history, what will be judged is, did you make the right strategic decisions."

Rice did not cite specific mistakes in Iraq, and State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said she was speaking figuratively. Rice, a former political science professor, frequently tries to place the turbulent years since Sept. 11, 2001, within the scope of history.

"One of the things that is difficult to tell in the midst of big historic change is what was a good decision and what was a bad decision," she said.

Rice is making an unusual diplomatic foray to this land of green hills, simple homes and many sheep in an effort to learn about countries beyond their capitals. She was the guest of Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, who represents the Blackburn area in Parliament. Straw spent a weekend in Rice's home town of Birmingham, Ala., last year, attending a University of Alabama football game and learning about Rice's life growing up in the segregated South.

But while many people in Birmingham had little idea who Straw was -- and Rice is thought to be the most prominent person to visit Blackburn since Mahatma Gandhi in 1931 -- her two-day visit here has proved controversial in an area where 25 percent of the population is Muslim. A "Stop Condi" Web site organized protests, and Rice canceled a visit to a local mosque. Two helicopters hovered above Rice's motorcade as she and Straw visited an aircraft factory, a school and the soccer stadium. Rice entered through the side to evade protesters, and the factory and stadium were almost empty.

About 200 demonstrators gathered outside Pleckgate High School, chanting, "Hey, Condi, hey, how many kids did you kill today?" and "Who let the bombs out?" One yellow sign said, "How many lives per gallon?"

Jabbar Khan, a 16-year-old student at the ethnically mixed school, said that about 50 students had "skived off" campus to attend the protests. "We should be proud to have such a high-profile visitor to our school," he said.

Later, when Rice visited the Liverpool Institute for Performing Arts, which native son Paul McCartney attended and later helped restore, protesters held red balloons and several students greeted Rice wearing black T-shirts declaring "No Torture, No Compromise." Jon Netton, an aspiring actor, said it was an insult to McCartney, an antiwar activist, that she was permitted to visit.

The host of a concert in Liverpool that Rice attended Friday night canceled his appearance in protest. At the concert, an artist scheduled to sing John Lennon's "Imagine" dedicated the song to the protesters outside and spliced in words from another song Lennon co-wrote: "All we are saying/Is give peace a chance."

Rice shrugged off the protests, saying she had been delighted by the reception and that she had "no problem with people exercising their democratic rights." She added: "I think if there are indeed different views, that it's best to express them, not to keep them bottled up."

Perhaps the sharpest comment Rice heard came from former Foreign Secretary Douglas Hurd, a Conservative Party stalwart who served under Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and was among a panel of experts who heard Rice's speech on the need to encourage democracy around the world.

"It is quite possible to believe" that democracy is essential, Hurd said to the crowd after she spoke, but also to "believe that essentially the path must grow from the roots of its own society and that the killing of thousands of people, many of them innocent, is unacceptable whether committed by a domestic tyrant or for a good cause upon being invaded."

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Strategic Yes :yes: , as in letting off some steam before the whole kettle blows!
 

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Condi is such a good slave.
Damn, she really “knows her place”.
She is extremely skilled at being subservient to old white men .
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Tuesday, April 04, 2006

LONDON: US SECRETARY of State Condoleezza Rice gave up her BED on a trip to Iraq so Jack Straw could get some sleep.

The Foreign Secretary got his head down on a fold-out bunk while Condi — dubbed the world’s most powerful woman and tipped as a future President — had to make do with the floor.

Stewardesses on the special Boeing 757, Air Force Two had to step around her as she tried to sleep.

Meanwhile, Mr Straw had retired to Dr Rice’s specially-equipped cabin. It has a bed, desk and meeting area.

A Foreign Office spokesman said: “We are more interested in foreign policy than which bed he slept in.”

The pair were heading to Iraq for a surprise visit as part of a tour by Dr Rice — which also included a trip to Mr Straw’s Blackburn constituency.

They took Dr Rice’s plane from Liverpool to Kuwait before switching to a US military aircraft for the final leg to Baghdad.

Mr Straw was expecting a gruelling visit and needed the extra sleep.

The two are very close and decided rather than visit Iraq separately in the next few weeks, to go on a joint lightning two-day trip.

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muckraker10021 said:
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Condi is such a good slave.
Damn, she really “knows her place”.
She is extremely skilled at being subservient to old white men .
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I'll stand out on this one, but I take exception to the comment above.

Nothing in the article or post above shows, in my opinion, "subservience". I'm not defending Rice because I particularly like her, but I don't particularly dislike her either. In fact, my personal feelings about her are rather ambivalent. Hence, I think judgmental comment ought to be based on facts -- not just hype.

She is a Black woman, she is the Secretary of State of our nation and, from all appearances, she has legitimately earned her way up. She does serve in a difficult position - under an idiot for a president, and when she goes wrong I think we should discuss and criticise those <u>specific</u> instances -- rather than attacking her just because she serves a master, many of us dislike.

Just my opinion; and thank you for the many great posts.

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She is so embaressing. Did she iron his clothes too?
 

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Condi is such a good slave.
Damn, she really “knows her place”.
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LONDON: US SECRETARY of State Condoleezza Rice gave up her BED on a trip to Iraq so Jack Straw could get some sleep.
The Foreign Secretary got his head down on a fold-out bunk while Condi — dubbed the world’s most powerful woman and tipped as a future President — had to make do with the floor.

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'Searching for attackers lurking in the night'
By M K Bhadrakumar

There is enormous political symbolism in the circuitous route that US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice took for visiting Baghdad on Monday. She headed first to the quiet British town of Blackburn for a weekend's bonding with her British allies, and then proceeded to Iraq, accompanied by British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw.

Any limited perspective on the Rice-Straw mission in terms of cajoling Ibrahim al-Jaafari to give up his prime ministership in Baghdad overlooks that Iraq is the cornerstone of the United States' imperial venture in remaking the Middle East, with the objective of controlling the region - its flows of oil, weapons and money.

Two major powers traditionally active in the region are responding to the Anglo-American drive for a New Middle East - Russia and Turkey.

The Russian moves are impressive - strengthening ties with Saudi Arabia, gaining observer status in the Organization of Islamic Conferences (OIC), revival of ties with Syria and Egypt, contact with Hamas, networking with Iraqi Sunni tribal leaderships, institutional ties with the Arab League, and, arguably, the heavily nuanced line on Iran.

Germane to all this, Moscow perceives a likely replay of past Anglo-American attempts to pit the Muslim world against Russia. Given its history, geography and culture and the multinational and multi-faith character of its society, Russia has everything to lose in an "inter-civilizational" conflict.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov recently wrote:
Russia will not let anybody set it at loggerheads with the Islamic world ... The increased significance of the energy factor in global politics is on the mind of many. Even those who have got used to thinking in terms of geopolitics appreciate that the equation formula of strategic stability has changed and the specific weight of nuclear deterrence itself has diminished ... At the same time, it is obvious that any sustained development of Russia's energy sector rules out for the foreseeable future any disregard of the Near and Middle East resources in a global energy balance.
In a lengthy message addressed to the Arab League summit meeting at Khartoum on March 28, Russian President Vladimir Putin said:
I am well aware that the heads of state and peoples of the Arab world, and in other Muslim states, share Russia's growing concern about the danger arising out of new divisions in the international community. It is our deep conviction that the time has come to act, and to act together, under the auspices of the United Nations as a key player.

As the events of the last few years in the Middle East have shown, unilateral actions do not resolve problems and they even aggravate them. Russia, a multi-confessional country with observer status within the Organization of Islamic Conference, has firm intentions to make a significant contribution to this teamwork.
Putin called for "consensual approaches" to the issues of social, economic and political transformation in the Arab world: "Events should not be rushed in an artificial way, nor should outside pressure be applied." Stressing that resolving the Palestinian problem within the framework of UN Resolutions 242, 338, 1397 and 1515 should be the priority, Putin described Russia's "dialogue" with Hamas as an "approach to new realities in a constructive and pragmatic way".

Putin said Iraq's unity and territorial integrity could only be achieved through a national dialogue and by "ending the foreign military presence". He called for a lowering of "tensions around Lebanon and Syria" and opposed "any third-party" role.

It comes as no surprise that the countries of the Arab Middle East have warmed to the Russian overtures.

Moscow hosted on March 27-28 the first session of the so-called Russia-Islamic World Strategic Vision Group comprising Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Turkey, Indonesia, Egypt, etc. Putin greeted the foreign delegates attending the conference. Significantly, Yevgeni Primakov, former prime minister and renowned orientalist who played a key role in crafting the Soviet Union's ties with the Arab world through the Cold War years, chaired the Moscow meet.

Again, the head of the Saudi National Security Council, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, paid a "working visit" to Moscow on Tuesday. The Russian Foreign Ministry said the hugely influential Saudi prince's agenda included the Palestine issue, Syria, Lebanon, Iran and "conditions in Iraq", apart from "building up and deepening" Russia-Saudi relations.

Turkey, too, is seeking to revive its ties in the Middle East - a region that it turned its back on in 1923. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's presence at the Arab League summit in Khartoum as a "permanent guest" meshes with a series of Turkish moves in the past three years.

Turkey claims it is trying to act as a "bridge" between the Middle East region and the Western world. (Curiously, Russia also is staking claims for a similar role as a "civilizational bridge" between the Muslim world and the West.)

But the US may not accede to such a profound role for Turkey or Russia - and Ankara and Moscow cannot be unaware of that. The US simply ignored similar Turkish (and Russian) claims in the 1990s to act as a "bridge" in the Balkans during the crises in Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo.

Turkish-US relations (like Russian-US relations) have been increasingly bumpy. Yet Turkey couldn't sit on the fence. It has vital interests to safeguard - least of all in its eastern provinces.

Turkey also has a government with a ruling party of pronounced religious orientation, which is approaching an election and would have to grapple with a resurgence of nationalism that has overtones of political Islam, and is heavily laden with "anti-Americanism". And this at a juncture when the so-called Kemalist secular camp has atrophied (or fragmented) almost to the point of irrelevance in the country's party politics, and a drift in Turkey's search for European Union membership is visible.

More important, as in Moscow, few in Ankara are convinced that Washington is anywhere near being transparent in its Iraq policies. Both Russia and Turkey would suspect that Washington did not have an "exit strategy" in Iraq because no exit was (or is) intended. They fear that if push comes to shove, the US will not hesitate to turn Iraq, in fragments, into a de facto colony.

Few in Ankara today, therefore, share Washington's hostility toward Syria and Iran. Ankara, like Moscow, favors engagement of Syria and Iran and opposes the use of force or "regime changes" in these neighboring countries.

Equally so, Turkey is deeply skeptical (like Russia) about the United States' "transformational diplomacy" in the Middle East. "Democratization is a process, and it should be expected to proceed at a different pace in different countries," Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul said in a written statement last month.

Ankara also hosted Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal. A Turkish Foreign Ministry statement said, "At this stage, the international community should adopt a prejudice-free attitude and give the new Palestinian government the opportunity to fulfill its obligations."

Israel and the pro-Israeli lobby in the US went ballistic over the Hamas chief's visit to Turkey. But the Turkish leadership (like the Kremlin) held firm. Erdogan insisted Turkey was doing the "right thing at the right time".

Again, Jaafari visited Ankara when the US was working hard to get him to quit office. (Iraqi President Jalal Talabani said the visit took place without his knowledge, and he wouldn't "recognize" any agreements that the Iraqi prime minister entered into with the Turkish government.)

A visit by influential Shi'ite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr to Turkey is now talked about. Turkey is reaching out to different Iraqi constituencies - just in case.

Turkey's Sabah newspaper recently quoted a "high-level" US official voicing fears in Washington about "Turkey's metamorphosis into a new Malaysia". Indeed, Turkey sought and obtained the post of secretary general of the OIC. (Turkey was supportive of Russia's observer status in the body.)

Erdogan's presence at the Arab League summit in Khartoum last week signified the culmination of an initiative made during his visit to Cairo in January 2003. The Arab League initially had reservations on account of Turkey's close ties with Israel, but circumstances have changed dramatically since the Iraq war began. (Interestingly, on his return journey to Ankara from Khartoum, Erdogan made a detour to visit the OIC headquarters in Jeddah.)

Looking after interests
But Turkey does not cross swords with the US or Britain in the Middle East. Like Russia, Turkey is primarily taking precautions that at the very least a New Middle East, if one indeed shapes up under Anglo-American supervision, would not be pitted against Turkey's core interests. In uncertain times, it becomes prudent to hedge one's bets.

Having said that, both Moscow and Ankara will focus on Iraq in immediate terms. This course is Iraq's security. Moscow and Ankara would be justified to ask: "What was it that Straw could offer Rice?"

The answer lies in one of the most influential and enduring British strategic theories attributed to T E Lawrence. This strategy was distilled by Lawrence in the deserts of Arabia in the second decade of the 20th century (and to which Britain remained largely faithful even in Northern Ireland). In terms of this, Straw would tell Rice that in Iraq, to begin with, instead of being bogged down in a senseless trench war where armed clashes were turning into mass butchery, Washington should focus on a strategy of warfare that dispensed with battles.

Conceivably, Straw would counsel Rice that instead of attacking the Iraqi enemies, she should go around them, as Lawrence would have done, "immobilizing and isolating them, wearing them down as their sentries peer into the darkness searching for attackers who might or might not be lurking in the night" - to use the inimitable words of David Fromkin, author of the classic study on 1922 Middle East settlement, A Peace to End All Peace.

A problem remains, however. As Fromkin would point out, Lawrence's strategy has its limitations. It has no use for a country fighting for survival; a country that obstinately refuses to surrender and may need to be crushed by force; and an enemy that will not surrender even if tired, but chooses to fight to hold on to something it can't afford to give up.

Thus a paradox so typical of our times arises: the strategy attributed to Lawrence, the hero of British imperialism, is most effective against a great power that favors pitched, face-to face battles.

But Straw could as well have told that to Rice while strolling in the town center in Blackburn. A symbolic visit to Baghdad should not have been necessary.

M K Bhadrakumar served as a career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service for more than 29 years, with postings including ambassador to Uzbekistan (1995-98) and to Turkey (1998-2001).

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April 1, 2006, 11:52 PM (GMT+02:00)

During her two-day tour of northwest England, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice protested to the anti-US demonstrators dogging every footstep: “I know we’ve made tactical errors, thousands of them, I’m sure. But when you look back in history, what will be judged will be, did you make the right strategic decisions?” She added. “I’m sure we made no mistake in overthrowing Saddam Hussein.”

Rice visited the UK foreign secretary Jack Straw’s constituency March 31 to April 1to return the compliment of Straw’s visit to her home town of Birmingham, Alabama.

Earlier this month, the British premier Tony Blair told Iraq war critics in similar vein that history would judge his decision to go to war in Iraq.

When statesmen and politicians resort to history to judge their actions, this usually means they are prey to uncertainties, stumped for a way out of a critical impasse and resigned to dumping it in the laps of their successors.

Nine months ago, DEBKAfile reported from its Washington sources:

Towards the end of President George W. Bush’s first term in late 2004, the mood in Washington was upbeat; a second term was seen as the chance to bring the administration’s military and diplomatic objectives to fruition. This has been replaced today by a sense in administration circles that the tough projects, like the campaign against al Qaeda, the Iraq war, the chances of thwarting the forward march of North Korea and Iran towards a nuclear bomb, the creation of an independent Palestinian state and an Israel-Palestinian peace treaty, cannot be resolved by 2008. There is a willingness to leave solutions in abeyance for the next occupant of the Oval Office. (June 13, 2005)

During her British tour, Rice twice repeated that she did not expect to run for the presidency. She did say she expected to correct many research papers on the Iraq war when she is back teaching at Stanford University.

Her remarks raise a number of questions in Israeli minds:

1. If the Bush administration admittedly made thousands of mistakes in Iraq, how many were made in dealing with the Palestinian-Israeli conflict?

2. Since Rice appears to be leaving the Iraq problem to the next heads of the state department, where does that leave Israel, which is a good deal closer to the troubles in Iraq than the United States of America?

3. Given the” thousands” of American mistakes, why on earth did Israel’s incoming prime minister Ehud Olmert pledge in his victory speech of March 28 to coordinate his Palestinian policies with President George W. Bush, like Ariel Sharon before him? He surely knows that the Bush administration cannot - and not longer even wants to – spend any more time unraveling the Middle East conflict.​

It appears that Olmert, head of the Kadima party which came out of Israel’s general election last week with a grudging lead of 29 out of 120 Knesset seats, was not addressing Washington or history. His spoke with an eye to his more immediate concern, the urgency to fashion a coalition cabinet.

Tough negotiations starting next week are ahead. The first candidate-partner in line is Labor (20 seats). Former trade union leader Amir Peretz covets the high-profile treasury and a chance to get his teeth into the top items on his agenda – raising the minimum wage to $1,000, universal pensions for senior citizens and benefits for the disadvantaged. Olmert’s Kadima is expected to demand in return that Labor give up some of its doveish pretensions and agree to co-exist with a second partner, the nationalist (Russian) party Israel Beitenu headed by Avigdor Lieberman (13 seats). Olmert needs him as a right-wing counterweight to Labor. A third natural partner is the big surprise of the election, the Senior Citizens party which won 7 seats.

There are still many gyrations ahead before this line-up falls into place. The first candidates may drop out and others step up in their stead. All the party leaders face huge internal squabbles among many rivals for few ministerial posts.

But if all this can be sorted out, a Kadima-Labor-Israel Beitenu-Senior Citizens coalition offers Olmert a comfortable 69-strong majority in parliament and a steel core for managing a host of security threats, most urgently a Palestinian government led by Hamas. High on their lists are four retired intelligence chiefs: Two former Shin Beit directors, Avi Dichter of Kadima and Ami Ayalon of Labor, former deputy director of the same service, Israel Hasson of Israel Beiteni, and Rafi Eytan of the Senior Citizens, a Mossad veteran.

The true value of the acclaimed Hamas truce was clarified on March 30 by the fundamentalist movement’s political chief, Khaled Meshaal. He declared that Hamas will continue its armed struggle against Israel while in power. Addressing the fourth General Arab Conference to Back Resistance in Beirut, Meshaal said: “Hamas has made up its mind and will exercise resistance in all its aspects. We are exercising resistance as a movement and today will exercise it while in power.”

Meshaal has the power to hand down binding diktats to the Hamas government. In the light of this policy statement, the incoming Israeli prime minister will need to make haste and appoint a strong defense minister and advisory team on security to deal with the threats portended by the upgrading of Palestinian weaponry and murder of four Israelis by a Fatah suicide bomber on day two of Hamas rule.

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