this is what I'm talkin bout y'all
These cats wouldn't be in business if not for the govt, this is Corporatism to the extreme
Name a company that would not be in business if were not for the government?
this is what I'm talkin bout y'all
These cats wouldn't be in business if not for the govt, this is Corporatism to the extreme
How much of Cruise do you want to defend ? ? ?
I've noticed that you seem to have an uncanny knack of avoiding questions/issues just like he does.
QueEx
Name a company that would not be in business if were not for the government?
ok:
What should be evident is that DC is now enabling "Big Biz" to do what they want. And they took the jobs & taxpayer $$$ away from the country in the process.
I'm just giving an illustration of how DC's intervention is helping the people of Detroit, piggybacking off what Cruise had been sayin'
What does government and business have to do with one another?
People gotta eat. People need clothes. People need fuel. Do you actually believe if government disappeared, people wouldn't be in business to provide these things?
A better question is "What CORPORATION would exist without government?"
What does government and business have to do with one another?
People gotta eat. People need clothes. People need fuel. Do you actually believe if government disappeared, people wouldn't be in business to provide these things?
A better question is "What CORPORATION would exist without government?"
Name a company that would not be in business if were not for the government?
A better question is "What CORPORATION would exist without government?"
How much of Cruise do you want to defend ? ? ?
I've noticed that you seem to have an uncanny knack of avoiding questions/issues just like he does.
QueEx
...a bunch oof dribble...
Isn't this the same question?
Unless you exist within the barter system or hunt and build your home from logs and mud.
and even then who enforces private property laws,
what means of economic exchange do you use? This ain't the year 200.
I don't speak for Cruise.
I'm just kickin out somethin for the board in defense of all those "innocent people" affected by govt intervention in the auto industry.
Are we supposed to be happy with the decisions of GM?
I'm just kickin out somethin for the board in defense of all those "innocent people" affected by govt intervention in the auto industry.
I don't speak for Cruise.
Are we supposed to be happy with the decisions of GM?
I didn't ask whether you spoke for anyone, I asked "how much of Cruise do you want to defend ? ? ?" That is, I was just checking to see how much of the lunacy do you subscribe to.
QueEx
I didn't ask whether you spoke for anyone, I asked "how much of Cruise do you want to defend ? ? ?" That is, I was just checking to see how much of the lunacy do you subscribe to.
Its not a very good practice to answer a question with a question, especially if you haven't answered the question. I know you probably didn't mean to do that and we all tend to do it at times, but it jusst looks like you're dodging the question when thats your only real response.
QueEx
Our differences are documented in the thread but let me just say this is a piss-poor excuse to deviate from the substance of the thread. Fuck it, it's Friday!
I don't speak for Cruise.
I'm just kickin out somethin for the board in defense of all those "innocent people" affected by govt intervention in the auto industry.
Are we supposed to be happy with the decisions of GM?
Do you think the Federal government invented engineering, or masonry, or heating & cooling, or electricity, or plumbing? The government had NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THAT!
As far as property laws, believe it or not, your neighbors will help you enforce your rights. The Federal government has done a great job of protecting property rights for black people in this country. It's such an admirable history of fairness and equality.
You have heard of money, right? There was a time when people actually used it in this country. And maybe, just maybe, we can use it again, once this joke called the Federal government disappears.
Like those millions of people who's lives were saved by those bad old government mandated and air bags as well as safety glass belts belts, pollution controls and increased miles per gallon.
Deviate? Ah, what market based solutions would have saved those Miners lives?
Still waiting...
Deviate? Ah, what market based solutions would have saved those Miners lives?
Still waiting...
It's fascinating how someone who is using a tool of anarchy (the web), cannot see how government is the problem, not the solution.
You have heard of epinions.com, Consumer Reports, Amazon reviews, in fact, this very forum.
All are examples of anarchy in action.
An authority, creates a website outlining mining issues, dangers, suggestions, recommendations, and techniques.
Miners, when they leave the mine, could just use a laptop with wireless to post comments on conditions, production, dangers, safety techniques, and concerns.
They could be updated by blogs, tweets, facebook blasts, email, or software alerts.
Of course, this is simple, painless, effective, and competitive.
The problem is the government-lovers will find some excuse why it can't work.
Or, they will create some fantasy why the government can't allow people to have that power and must FORCE us to pay taxes, regulation, supervision, and a HUGE bureaucracy for something that doesn't work.
Miners, when they leave the mine, could just use a laptop with wireless to post comments on conditions, production, dangers, safety techniques, and concerns.
They could be updated by blogs, tweets, facebook blasts, email, or software alerts.
BWAAAHHHHH!
You get more bizarre with each post. So what if the mine coampay says those comments are bull shit, where does this blogging compel the mine owners to act on these comments? Who do they turn to then? There are inspectors now with more technical expertise listing all of the violations. Massey has a long list , years long of mine safety violations. If you haven't figured it out by now, the issues IS NOT inspection, THE ISSUE IS enforcement. In actuality the government has been doing exactly want you want. little or no intervention in private business regulation. What good is it if you are issued a speeding ticket if you are not compelled to pay it? Over the last 20 years or so the fines have been so minuscule that the cost of a life is less than the cost of the fine.
You do know you are making an argument AGAINST the government?
So we agree...
the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS A FAILURE.
You do know you are making an argument AGAINST the government?
So we agree...
the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS A FAILURE.
he don't get it
more sig material!
It's fascinating how someone who is using a tool of anarchy (the web), cannot see how government is the problem, not the solution.
You have heard of epinions.com, Consumer Reports, Amazon reviews, in fact, this very forum.
All are examples of anarchy in action.
An authority, creates a website outlining mining issues, dangers, suggestions, recommendations, and techniques.
Miners, when they leave the mine, could just use a laptop with wireless to post comments on conditions, production, dangers, safety techniques, and concerns.
They could be updated by blogs, tweets, facebook blasts, email, or software alerts.
Of course, this is simple, painless, effective, and competitive.
The problem is the government-lovers will find some excuse why it can't work.
Or, they will create some fantasy why the government can't allow people to have that power and must FORCE us to pay taxes, regulation, supervision, and a HUGE bureaucracy for something that doesn't work.
I can see where Dave is coming from on this.
However, it's not economically viable to be bailing out big corporations at the expense of taxpayers who are still reeling from a job market that is continually eroding. The tax base is simply not there to support it, it's a vicious cycle. Recessions are necessary to "clear the junk" out of an economy..businesses that royally screwed up (Citi, GM, Lehman, etc..) need to be flushed away in times like these to allow for recovery.
It's fascinating how someone who is using a tool of anarchy (the web), cannot see how government is the problem, not the solution.
You have heard of epinions.com, Consumer Reports, Amazon reviews, in fact, this very forum.
All are examples of anarchy in action.
An authority, creates a website outlining mining issues, dangers, suggestions, recommendations, and techniques.
Miners, when they leave the mine, could just use a laptop with wireless to post comments on conditions, production, dangers, safety techniques, and concerns.
They could be updated by blogs, tweets, facebook blasts, email, or software alerts.
Of course, this is simple, painless, effective, and competitive.
The problem is the government-lovers will find some excuse why it can't work.
Or, they will create some fantasy why the government can't allow people to have that power and must FORCE us to pay taxes, regulation, supervision, and a HUGE bureaucracy for something that doesn't work.
BWAAAHHHHH!
You get more bizarre with each post. So what if the mine coampay says those comments are bull shit, where does this blogging compel the mine owners to act on these comments? Who do they turn to then? There are inspectors now with more technical expertise listing all of the violations. Massey has a long list , years long of mine safety violations. If you haven't figured it out by now, the issues IS NOT inspection, THE ISSUE IS enforcement. In actuality the government has been doing exactly want you want. little or no intervention in private business regulation. What good is it if you are issued a speeding ticket if you are not compelled to pay it? Over the last 20 years or so the fines have been so minuscule that the cost of a life is less than the cost of the fine.
You do know you are making an argument AGAINST the government?
So we agree...
the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS A FAILURE.
Stop saying this like it's true. It's not. We've gone over this already and your theory made no sense. Hell, you still haven't answered my question about a successful anarchist society.
And your reading comprehension is piss poor. Thought made no such argument. That whole post is a strong argument for stronger government intervention.
BWAAAHHHHH!
You get more bizarre with each post . . .
Stop saying this like it's true. It's not. We've gone over this already and your theory made no sense. Hell, you still haven't answered my question about a successful anarchist society.
And your reading comprehension is piss poor. Thought made no such argument. That whole post is a strong argument for stronger government intervention.
This is his attempt at appearing clever by never responding directly to a direct point.
Regulations, taxes
aren't killing small business,
owners say
McClatchy Newspapers
By Kevin G. Hall
September 1, 2011
WASHINGTON — Politicians and business groups often blame excessive regulation and fear of higher taxes for tepid hiring in the economy. However, little evidence of that emerged when McClatchy canvassed a random sample of small business owners across the nation.
"Government regulations are not 'choking' our business, the hospitality business," Bernard Wolfson, the president of Hospitality Operations in Miami, told The Miami Herald. "In order to do business in today's environment, government regulations are necessary and we must deal with them. The health and safety of our guests depend on regulations. It is the government regulations that help keep things in order."
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is among the most vocal critics of the Obama administration, blaming excessive regulation and the administration's overhaul of health care laws for creating an environment of uncertainty that's hampering job creation.
When it's asked what specific regulations harm small businesses _which account for about 65 percent of U.S. jobs — the Chamber of Commerce points to health care, banking and national labor. Yet all these issues weigh much more heavily on big corporations than on small business.
"When you look at regulations in many respects, what a lot of people don't take into account is their secondary impacts," said Giovanni Coratolo, the vice president of small business policy for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. "They pay the price, regardless of whether they are primarily the recipient of the regulation or they are secondarily getting the impact of it. They pay the price in higher costs, whether it is fuel or health care or whether it's being able to find access to capital."
McClatchy reached out to owners of small businesses, many of them mom-and-pop operations, to find out whether they indeed were being choked by regulation, whether uncertainty over taxes affected their hiring plans and whether the health care overhaul was helping or hurting their business.
Their response was surprising.
None of the business owners complained about regulation in their particular industries, and most seemed to welcome it. Some pointed to the lack of regulation in mortgage lending as a principal cause of the financial crisis that brought about the Great Recession of 2007-09 and its grim aftermath.
Wolfson's firm is readying to open a Hampton Inn this year in Miami on land purchased from a condo developer during the housing downturn. His business could be in line for higher taxes if President Barack Obama allows the current, lower rates on the richest Americans to expire in 2012 and return to previous levels.
That didn't seem to bother Wolfson, who through his partnership declares profit and loss as a pass-through on his personal income taxes, as many small businesses do.
"Higher taxes are not good for business, but some of the loopholes and deductions should be looked at," he said.
The answer from Rick Douglas — the owner of Minit Maids, a cleaning service with 17 employees in Charlotte, N.C. — was more blunt.
"I think the rich have to be taxed, sorry," Douglas said. He added that he isn't facing a sea of new regulations but that he does struggle with an old issue, workers' compensation claims.
Douglas told The Charlotte Observer that he's hired more workers this year, citing pent-up demand from customers.
"My theory is that the people that do have jobs are working harder and they have less time to clean. People were holding back for such a long time, and then they started spending a little more," he said.
Then there's Rip Daniels. He owns four businesses in Gulfport, Miss.: real estate ventures, a radio station and a boutique hotel/bistro. He said his problem wasn't regulation.
"Absolutely, positively not. What is choking my business is insurance. What's choking all business is insurance. You cannot go into business, any business — small business or large business — unless you can afford insurance," he told Biloxi's Sun Herald.
Since 2008, Daniels has opened one business and expanded another, hiring as many as 15 people thanks to lower labor costs and an abundance of overqualified job candidates. He credits the federal stimulus effort with helping to keep some smaller firms afloat.
"It allowed those folks to spend and have money and pay for the essentials," said Daniels, whose business pays corporate taxes. He grudgingly supports closing some business tax deductions to reduce the federal budget deficit.
"Who wants to pay more? I certainly don't. I want to pay my fair share, and I do," Daniels said, adding that he wouldn't resist loophole closures to cut deficits.
For Zajic Appliance in south Sacramento, California's capital city, business also has picked up. The company hired two workers this year, bringing the total to 18, said Christopher Zajic, who manages the family business.
One odd reason for his improving business: sales of bank-owned properties in a city that's among those hardest hit by the housing crash. When these houses sell, he said, their new owners generally replace appliances.
California used some of its federal stimulus money to pay for a "Cash for Appliances" program last year, a rebate program for purchases of energy-efficient washing machines and refrigerators.
"It spiked sales," Zajic told The Sacramento Bee, adding that he thinks the effort simply compressed sales into a shorter time period rather than created new demand.
For many small businesses, their chief problem is an old one: navigating the bureaucracy of the Small Business Administration to secure government-backed loans.
"My biggest problem is the current status of the banking system and how it's being over-regulated," Dennis Sweeney, a co-owner of Summit Sportswear Inc., told The Kansas City Star. "I want to grow this business, and I'm using the same credit line that I've been using for five years."
Kansas City-based Summit, 20 years old, supplies college-licensed clothing to university bookstores in four Midwestern states. Sweeney hired his fourth employee in August. He's adding licenses to sell apparel to colleges in the Southeast and Atlantic region, but his company doesn't have inventory or other collateral that bankers usually want to secure loans.
And the small local banks Summit deals with frown on the red tape required for SBA loans, after a loan he got in 2008 took three months of nightmarish documentation.
"It was only $35,000," Sweeney said. "Our bank basically said it would never do that again."
Other small firms say their problem is simply a lack of customers.
"I think the business climate is so shaky that I would not want to undergo any expansion or outlay capital," said Andy Weingarten, who owns Almar Auto Repair in Charlotte. He's thinking about hiring one more mechanic.
Added Barry Grant, the regional president of Meritage Homes Corp., in California, "It starts with jobs. ... There's an awful lot of people sitting on the fence; they're waiting for a sign."
One reason hiring remains dampened is the prolonged slump in the housing sector, a driver of the pre-crisis economy. Meritage builds homes in California and six other states. It'll build fewer than 1,000 homes in the Golden State this year, well below the 2,500 annually it built during boom times.
Another cause of sagging demand for new houses, Grant told The Sacramento Bee, is the planned October change to loan limits in order for a homeowner to qualify for a federal government-insured home loan. It was boosted to as high as $769,000 in parts of the country during the financial crisis, but Republicans in Congress have pushed for a return to lower limits and less government involvement in the housing market.
In Sacramento County, the change would mean a new loan limit of $474,000 to qualify, well below the current $580,000. Around the nation, the loan-limit change has created uncertainty.
"Any uncertainty in the market makes people hold off," said Grant. "It builds a certain level of uncertainty."
Sometimes a small business's struggle has nothing to do with government at all.
Lynn Swager, a co-owner of Brass on Ivory in Edgewater, Md., sells, rents and repairs musical instruments. She faces a completely different sort of challenge.
"The thing that chokes us, believe or not, is the Internet. There are so many things that are accessible on the Internet that they can purchase for less than I can purchase from my distributor," Swager told McClatchy. "Everybody thinks the Internet is this great thing that is happening to the world, but it is really, I think, killing a lot of small business. People that we talk to that are no longer in business say the same thing exactly."
Mark Davis of The Kansas City Star;
Doug Hanks and Hannah Sampson of The Miami Herald;
Donna Harris of the Biloxi Sun Herald;
Dale Kasler of The Sacramento Bee; and
Eleanor Kennedy of The Charlotte Observer
contributed to this article.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/09/...xes-arent-killing.html#storylink=omni_popular