Kwame Brown

[xfactor]

For all the guys from the LA area... My boy just told me that Kwame Brown was accused of RAPE this past Sunday after the Laker/Suns game. Is this true?

 

[cranrab]

yes and no.

kwame brown is UNDER INVESTIGATION for sexual assault that is alleged to have occurred in a los angeles hotel saturday morning.

kwame brown DID attend shootaround this afternoon and IS scheduled to play.

IF the young man is charged with anything, i'm SURE someone he knows can recommend a good attorney.

 

[xfactor]

Thanks for clearing that up. My boy from LA said he heard it on the radio and told me. I feel bad for him for even getting caught up in the a situation like that.

EDIT:

Here's an article on it -

[FRAME]http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=sports&id=4136876[/FRAME]

 

[cranrab]

Lakers' Brown Investigated In Reported Sexual Assault
From the Associated Press

4:49 PM PDT, May 2, 2006

Police said Tuesday they are investigating whether Los Angeles Lakers center Kwame Brown was involved in a reported sexual assault.

"The assault is alleged to have occurred in the early morning hours of April 29," said Officer Jason Lee, a police spokesman.

The Lakers beat the Phoenix Suns in Game 3 of their NBA playoff series the night before.

The case is under investigation by the department's Robbery Homicide Division. Police have notified the district attorney's office of the investigation.

Team spokesman John Black said the 24-year-old Brown was with the team but wouldn't comment further.

No further details were immediately available.

The Lakers were in Phoenix to play the Suns in Game 5 of their Western Conference playoff series Tuesday night.

 

[cranrab]

kwame brown picked up 3 PFs in Q1... fakers managed well without him, but they did miss his offensive rebounding... moreover, they missed the pressure he puts on the suns to execute on D...

coach d'antoni said after game 4 that steve nash was playing hurt... i believe it... but so what? steve nash suited up, so no excuses...

lamar odom picked up his 3rd PF late in Q2 and had to sit with a little over 1 minute left to play... anybody wanna guess what happened to the suns lead? decrease? stay the same? increase?

of course, without lamar odom on the floor, the fakers fell DEEPER in the hole... the fakers were down by 3 when he left, down by 9 at half...

shawn marion in the 1st half continued his starring role as THE HOLLOW MAN...

to his credit, boris diaw had a strong, aggressive 1st half... OFFENSIVELY... without kwame brown punishing him in the post, diaw had a lot more freedom...

what's the suns lead now? 21...

 

[cranrab]

let me be the 1st to say 2 things:

1) doug collins is a batty boy... did he forget how the NBA used to be? mchale throwing worthy to the floor? pussy ass announcer...

2) by today's SUPERSOFT standards, i begrudgingly have to support the ejection and flagrant foul being called on raja bell... in my day, a T and ejection (only because there was no real attempt at the ball) would have been the end of it...

3) that said, i FULLY support the message that raja bell sent... in the shaquille o'neal era, NOBODY sent tobe to the wood because he had shaquille o'neal there to protect him... i think its WISE to test tobe by giving him the hard foul to see how he responds...

no matter what happens, win or lose, i think it was a rallying point for the SUNS...

 

[cranrab]

did coach jackson concede game 5 with 6 minutes left to play in Q4? by subbing in jim jackson and aaron mckie?

did coach jackson just say "let's go home and win this thing at staples?"

 

[cranrab]

well, i guess the 'world's best basketball player' just answered my question for me...

what a FIERCE competitor... i've never seen anyone with such HEART and SHEER WILL to win... such LEADERSHIP...

let's see what the post game veterans say about that OLD SCHOOL tactic...

 

[xfactor]

I missed the game because of a previous engagement

Can somebody give me an accurate account of what happened? Looks like Doris was going off against the Lakers for the near triple double with O TOs

I see the Wobe gnomes are out on BGOL calling for Raja Bell's head but after seeing the replay on NBATV, its not like Wobe was undercut or knocked out of the air. He just got PUNKED out and wasnt man enough to do anything about it.

 

[cranrab]

Can somebody give me an accurate account of what happened? Looks like Doris was going off against the Lakers for the near triple double with O TOs

what would you like to know that i didn't already post...

here are some minor details that only basketball players would've noticed...

coach d'antoni took some of the ball handling load off of steve nash tonight... don't know if it was as a response to steve nash being hurt (as coach d'antoni said post game 4), or if it was a response to steve nash expending too much energy against pressure from euro vujacic... boris diaw ended up picking up the slack in this department...

coach d'antoni ran a new offensive set tonight in half court... i think it was an experiment for future use, because even though it worked successfully a couple times, the suns abandoned it in the 2nd half... the play was designed for the ball to be advanced up the left wing (NOT by nash), followed by nash executing a dive... nash, the suns shortest player, was the designed recipient of an entry pass off the dive cut, and LAYUP.

other than those 2 things, and the other factors i mentioned earlier (kwame in early foul trouble, boris diaw aggressively attacking the rim, shawn marion disappearing), that's it...

I see the Wobe gnomes are out on BGOL calling for Raja Bell's head but after seeing the replay on NBATV, its not like Wobe was undercut or knocked out of the air. He just got PUNKED out and wasnt man enough to do anything about it.

there was only 1 thread on bgol about it, but i didn't see any hysterics... but then again, there was talk of a tranny poster infiltrating the thread, so maybe alot of the responses got deleted...

for the record, raja bells foul WAS unsportsmanlike... had he made even the most half-hearted attempt at the ball, i would say it was just a GOOD, HARD foul... but the extra slap while tobe was going down, PLUS the devilish grin right afterwards makes it hard to NOT to throw the book at him...

IMO, raja bell's foul on tobe wasn't as bad as james posey's foul on kirk hinrich, but i'd bet money on a 1 game suspension...

to be honest, i MISS that style of basketball... this sport is for grown MEN... let the players play god damn it...

 

[TrojansFan]

I missed the game because of a previous engagement

Can somebody give me an accurate account of what happened? Looks like Doris was going off against the Lakers for the near triple double with O TOs

I see the Wobe gnomes are out on BGOL calling for Raja Bell's head but after seeing the replay on NBATV, its not like Wobe was undercut or knocked out of the air. He just got PUNKED out and wasnt man enough to do anything about it.

The Lakers looked like a team still on a hangover from Sunday's victory and the Suns looked like a team that was fighting for their playoff lives. The Lakers showed none of the passion they played with in the first 4 games and he Suns showed the heart they lacked in the first 4 games.

As for Bell's foul... He clearly clotheslined Bryant and threw him to the floor with no attempt made at the ball! Kobe did not get PUNKED... If you had watched the game you would have known he already had a T and therefore could not retaliate beacause he would be ejected as well.

 

[xfactor]

what would you like to know that i didn't already post...

You pretty much summed it up. After looking at the box score I was wondering why Diaw had twice as many assists as Nash. I figured that D'Antoni finally made some changes to the O and ran their half court sets through Diaw in the high post and let him hit cutters off of screens since he does have some passing ability and can see over the top. Then I noticed Brown had only 3 rebs so I wanted to know if that was true. I've always been a fan of running a motion offense through the high post as it seems to be more effective than not if you have an intelligent big man with ball handling skills.

As for Bell's foul... He clearly clotheslined Bryant and threw him to the floor with no attempt made at the ball! Kobe did not get PUNKED... If you had watched the game you would have known he already had a T and therefore could not retaliate beacause he would be ejected as well.

Looks to me like he did get punked and what is wrong with a little retaliation? If I remember correctly, the Lakers were down double digits at that point and werent knocking on the door to come back. Kaman retaliated when Reggie Evans gave him a nut check Heinrich was about to retaliate against Posey. That foul Bell gave pales in comparison to the foul Luke Walton gave to TT. Fouling a player out of the air is the worst foul you can commit.

Im more interested to see how Bryant responds. Will he stick within the team concept or get even further ingulfed into the mind games Bell is playing with him. We still have not seen a true Wobe like performance: 11-28 FGA with 4 - 6 TOs and I feel one coming in game 6. I think Bryant will try to prove to people that the Lakers can win a playoff game with him playing his normal style and if he does that, its going to be a lot of sad faces in LA because they will lose the game.

 

[SpiritualPorn]

for the record, raja bells foul WAS unsportsmanlike... had he made even the most half-hearted attempt at the ball, i would say it was just a GOOD, HARD foul... but the extra slap while tobe was going down, PLUS the devilish grin right afterwards makes it hard to NOT to throw the book at him...

IMO, raja bell's foul on tobe wasn't as bad as james posey's foul on kirk hinrich, but i'd bet money on a 1 game suspension...

to be honest, i MISS that style of basketball... this sport is for grown MEN... let the players play god damn it...

That shit was nasty

Kobe had done some of the same shit to Bell. Kobe is just a wiser veteran and doesn't get caught.

It would have been better with a hard play on the ball like you said Cran. The Lakers have hard fouled all series. The Suns were looking soft. I dont have a problem with hard fouls,what Bell did was just WRONG.

Lets see how Kobe responds.

 

[cranrab]

Lets see how Kobe responds.

if you're a fakers fan, you can't be happy with tobe's INITIAL response...

after the foul, tobe got up and did some bullshit posturing which included head shaking, smiling, and dusting off his shoulders...

that sort of reaction (instead of being stoic) reminds me of the boxer who just got stung and then smiles...

we all are now looking forward to game 6 and see the reaction after it sinks in a couple days...

 

[SpiritualPorn]

if you're a fakers fan, you can't be happy with tobe's INITIAL response...

after the foul, tobe got up and did some bullshit posturing which included head shaking, smiling, and dusting off his shoulders...

that sort of reaction (instead of being stoic) reminds me of the boxer who just got stung and then smiles...

we all are now looking forward to game 6 and see the reaction after it sinks in a couple days...

watching TNT and ESPN Kobe's response was something to the effect of "I don't even know this kid, he must not have gotten hugged enough as a kid"

I didn't get the full story until now: Apparently Bell told Phil and Phil (and this suprised me) said he fuckin deserved it. Bell heard that and then went at him.

The officials could have handled that shit a long time before they got that deep.

I have never known Bell to be a dick.....Kobe however??????? Has been a dick.

Kobe got what he deserved if it went down like that.

Alot different than Mike Miller isn't it.

 

[TrojansFan]

You pretty much summed it up. After looking at the box score I was wondering why Diaw had twice as many assists as Nash. I figured that D'Antoni finally made some changes to the O and ran their half court sets through Diaw in the high post and let him hit cutters off of screens since he does have some passing ability and can see over the top. Then I noticed Brown had only 3 rebs so I wanted to know if that was true. I've always been a fan of running a motion offense through the high post as it seems to be more effective than not if you have an intelligent big man with ball handling skills.



Looks to me like he did get punked and what is wrong with a little retaliation? If I remember correctly, the Lakers were down double digits at that point and werent knocking on the door to come back. Kaman retaliated when Reggie Evans gave him a nut check Heinrich was about to retaliate against Posey. That foul Bell gave pales in comparison to the foul Luke Walton gave to TT. Fouling a player out of the air is the worst foul you can commit.

Im more interested to see how Bryant responds. Will he stick within the team concept or get even further ingulfed into the mind games Bell is playing with him. We still have not seen a true Wobe like performance: 11-28 FGA with 4 - 6 TOs and I feel one coming in game 6. I think Bryant will try to prove to people that the Lakers can win a playoff game with him playing his normal style and if he does that, its going to be a lot of sad faces in LA because they will lose the game.

@ you suggesting Bryant should have retaliated. As I mentioned he already picked up his first technical in an altercation with Bell earlier in the game...and the game was far from over at that point! Bryant hit 1 of 2 techniacal free throws and hit a three to make it a 10 point game with over 7 minutes left to play. Bryant's number one responsible is to stay on the floor and help his teammates try to win the game! I can't believe you would suggest he should have intentionally got his self ejected at that point in the game. Heiman never retaliated and Kaman didn't already have technical on him. But if you really believe that Kobe got punked by Bell's cheapshot clothesline, then I guess you must believe that Bryant punked Bell earlier when he hit Bell in the jar with an elbow and and sent him to the floor and Bell didn't retaliate! You criticize Kobe all season for not being a team player and know you suggest he should intentionally get himself tossed from a winnable game and possibly suspended from another??? Bell's play was RETALIATION for Bryant's play earlier in the game and it was just STUPID!!! He really helped his team a lot by getting himself suspended from a crucial game 6 were they will definitely lose without him on the court no matter how Kobe plays!

...by the way, I remember you said the Suns would sweep the Lakers out of the playoffs... you definitely were on point with that prediction

 

[cranrab]

watching TNT and ESPN Kobe's response was something to the effect of "I don't even know this kid, he must not have gotten hugged enough as a kid"

more bullshit posturing after-the-fact... sounds like somebody got his feelings hurt... remember what i said about the dude that gets smacked smiling afterwards?

I didn't get the full story until now: Apparently Bell told Phil and Phil (and this suprised me) said he fuckin deserved it. Bell heard that and then went at him.

Bell suspended for Game 6
/ Associated Press
Posted: 2 hours ago

The NBA suspended Phoenix guard Raja Bell for one game on Wednesday for throwing Kobe Bryant to the floor in the fourth quarter of Tuesday night's playoff game against the Los Angeles Lakers.

That means the Suns will be without Bell, the principal defender against Bryant, for Game 6 Thursday night in Los Angeles.
Phoenix beat the Lakers 114-97 in Game 5 but Los Angeles still leads the best-of-seven series 3-2 and can eliminate the Suns with a victory. In a brief news release, the NBA said Bell was suspended for "excessive and unnecessary contact."

After the team landed in Los Angeles, Suns coach and general manager Mike D'Antoni called the suspension "consistent with what the league has been doing with other fouls of this sort.

"We'll accept it and try to suck it up and get the win, and try to get him back for Game 7," D'Antoni said in a telephone interview.

The suspension had yet to be announced when the Suns practiced earlier Wednesday. After the workout, Bell repeated that throwing Bryant down was wrong but explained what led to the foul and made clear his dislike for the Lakers' star.

"I have no respect for him," Bell said. "I think he's a pompous, arrogant individual."

Bell said he had been repeatedly hit in the face by Bryant during the game.

"I got a bruised cheek here and I can barely open my jaw on this side," he said, indicating the left side of his face, "and that didn't come from nowhere, and I felt like I'd had enough of that."

Bell said it went from a game to a personal insult.

"When I get hit in the face multiple times, you've stepped across the line with me," he said. "It's not basketball anymore. It was basketball for four games, then when he hit me in the face, that was the last straw last night. It still doesn't excuse me, but that's just the way I felt about it."

At the other end of the court just before Bell threw Bryant down, the Suns guard said he complained to referee Greg Willard about getting hit in the face, and Lakers coach Phil Jackson hollered out that Bell "deserved it," adding a profanity to emphasize the point.

That's why Bell pointed to the Lakers' bench yelling "That's your foul!" after he threw Bryant down.

Bell and Bryant received a double-technical in the second quarter. A few minutes after Bell was tossed, Bryant was thrown out of the game for his second technical for complaining about James Jones' hard foul on Kwame Brown.

The latest incident is part of a season-long series of expressions of mutual contempt between Bell and Bryant.

After Tuesday night's game, Bryant said he hoped Bell wouldn't be suspended but added that players can't afford to lose their temper in games.

"I'm not trying to go out there and elbow somebody, that's not the way I play," Bryant said. "If you get elbowed, you still have to keep your cool. I get elbowed all the time."

Bell called Bryant's comments "hypocritical."

Bell's teammate Steve Nash said the Lakers have gotten the best of the officiating in the series.

"We're playing a very heated battle and people on the outside are constantly telling guys that we've got to be more physical," Nash said. "It's tough, and he's faced a lot this series. He's done a great job on Kobe, and Kobe gets away with whatever he wants. That's kind of frustrating."

The officials could have handled that shit a long time before they got that deep.

what's done is done... nothing has really changed... BOTH teams now have something to PROVE... the fakers, in order to be considered FOR REAL, have to PROVE that they can close out on an opponent who has been staggered...

the suns, in order to be considered FOR REAL, have to PROVE that they can play without raja bell... it's more complicated because it's on the road, and the suns will have to depend more upon leandro barbosa , but this is what TRUE competitors ask for: a challenge to overcome...

i hope the refs let these GROWN MEN play...

the great unknown of game 6 is going to be shawn marion... WILL HE GET OUT AND RUN and contribute? or will he continue to be the chest pass jump shot HOLLOW MAN of games 1-5?

the player that will need to STEP UP BIG TIME is james jones... the suns need his defense and rebounding...

it will also speak volumes about coach d'antoni's TRUE abilities... the man is going to have to tweak his defensive rotation to make up for the lack of on-ball D raja bell provided...

 

[xfactor]

@ you suggesting Bryant should have retaliated. As I mentioned he already picked up his first technical in an altercation with Bell earlier in the game...and the game was far from over at that point! Bryant hit 1 of 2 techniacal free throws and hit a three to make it a 10 point game with over 7 minutes left to play. Bryant's number one responsible is to stay on the floor and help his teammates try to win the game! I can't believe you would suggest he should have intentionally got his self ejected at that point in the game. Heiman never retaliated and Kaman didn't already have technical on him. But if you really believe that Kobe got punked by Bell's cheapshot clothesline, then I guess you must believe that Bryant punked Bell earlier when he hit Bell in the jar with an elbow and and sent him to the floor and Bell didn't retaliate! You criticize Kobe all season for not being a team player and know you suggest he should intentionally get himself tossed from a winnable game and possibly suspended from another??? Bell's play was RETALIATION for Bryant's play earlier in the game and it was just STUPID!!! He really helped his team a lot by getting himself suspended from a crucial game 6 were they will definitely lose without him on the court no matter how Kobe plays!

Did I say Wobe should have intentionally gotten himself tossed out of the game? Did I say Wobe should have punched Bell? NO But he should have reacted different than how he did. If someone tosses you on your back, you get up and do something about it. But then again, maybe he is traumatized from when he got dropped by Reggie Miller and Chris Childs Also, where were Wobe's teammates when he got dropped like a fat man sitting down too fast?

at you saying they will (not can) definitely lose without Bell on the court. I think differently and we'll see after the game.

:...by the way, I remember you said the Suns would sweep the Lakers out of the playoffs... you definitely were on point with that prediction

Oh really? I could have sworn I said Phoenix would win in 6 games after looking back at my playoff prediction thread.

 

[TrojansFan]

Did I say Wobe should have intentionally gotten himself tossed out of the game? Did I say Wobe should have punched Bell? NO But he should have reacted different than how he did. If someone tosses you on your back, you get up and do something about it.

You said he should have retaliated! What kind of retaliation would not have earned him another T and an automatic ejection??? And why did you say the game was out of reach (which it clearly wasn't) and it didn't matter if he got tossed? Do you really believe the bullshit you say???

at you saying they will (not can) definitely lose without Bell on the court. I think differently and we'll see after the game.

Yeah I said it! And I stand by it!

Oh really? I could have sworn I said Phoenix would win in 6 games after looking back at my playoff prediction thread.

Do you just spit so much bullshit out of your mouth that you really don't remember what you said??? Well, I wasn't referring to your predictions you made in the thread I created on 4/21 called "NBA Playoff Predictions". I was referring to the thread you created the day early on 4/20 called "'05-'06 NBA Season Notes" where you said...

The NBA Regular Season is over and it couldnt end a moment sooner

A few things I wanted to get guys' opinions and comments on that happened during the year:

1) Does the 76ers' 38-44 record and fall from the Eastern Conference playoff picture prove that Maurice Cheeks is overrated as a pro head coach? I mean he did have 1 HOF, 1 perenial all star, and 2 or 3 good players to build a playoff calibre team around. Is Willie Green that much of an impact to the team that allowed them to fall 3 games under .500? What was the 76ers problem this year?

2) Does anyone think that Wobe Bryant will try to emulate his play this season of taking FGA after FGA with reckless abandon, entirely disregarding the TEAM game to go for individual records and cost the lakers even more games? Or will he see that that style of play doesnt work and actually CHANGE after they get swept in the playoffs by Phoenix this year?

Remember that now?

After my response guaranteeing the Lakers would not get swept, you later replied in the same thread that the Suns would win in 5 because Phil Jackson would not let them get swept even if he had to sit Kobe on the bench to prevent it. So lets see, you said Suns in 4, 5, and then 6... if you make enough predictions, one should end up being correct... too bad you didn't make any predictions that the Lakers might upset the Suns! I did!

 

[cranrab]

I didn't get the full story until now: Apparently Bell told Phil and Phil (and this suprised me) said he fuckin deserved it. Bell heard that and then went at him.

these quotes are all from POST GAME. now, for a guy who claims to have been unaffected by the whole episode, SOMEONE sure had a mouthful to say...

coach d'antoni

(On the ejection of Raja Bell possibly resulting in a suspension)
“Yes, I’m concerned about it. I’m concerned about it and I hope it doesn’t happen. I think they have to take into consideration that he was hit with an elbow in the head before and [the officials] said ‘Well, we got the first foul.’ Well, it’s an elbow — you should’ve gotten the second foul. Obviously, it is what it is. I’m trying to choose my words. I don’t know if they’ll review. They’ll tell us what they’re going to do, so what I say right now doesn’t matter much. But I hope [they don’t suspend him]. I think we’ve been on the short end for a lot of things and whether that comes into account or not I don’t know. Whatever, we’re going to win it with him and he’ll win it for us, or we’ll go and win it for him and he’ll be back for the seventh game. So whatever happens we’re ready for it. We’ll play as well as we did today, play well and you would hope that things start to even out a little bit.”

(On what caused Raja Bell’s second technical foul)
“I think it was a couple of things. Obviously he got fouled and then got elbowed in the head. Then I heard the Laker bench was taunting him a little bit.”

raja bell:

“I guess I’m here to address what you all want to hear about. It was a bad play on my part. I overreacted. I’ve been hit in the face multiple times in this series and it was a bad play on my part."

(On whether he expects to be suspended)
"I don’t know. Like I said, it was a bad play and I kind of lost my head for a second. I don’t know what to expect. I hope they’ll understand it. It’s been a pretty physical series and at that point in time I had caught another elbow in my jaw, and I lost my head and overreacted to it. I can’t really blame anybody for what happened. It was the heat of the moment and I overreacted. I could have cost my team and for that I’m sorry.”

steve nash:

(On the physical game between Raja and Kobe)
"It is tough. It is a very fine line. Everyone on television asks for more physicality and all the critics say we aren’t tough enough, and then push comes to shove and now you want to say it is disrespectful to the game. It is self perpetuating and self-fulfilling. A lot of people want to see that and it is a very fine line, and it is very difficult to put so much pressure on people to be so physical and to stand up for their team. The game gets heated... It is a very fine line and I think a lot of guys make plays that they regret. Like I said, it gets hyped up and you expect someone to make the right decision every time and it is not going to happen.

"The other thing is inequality. In this series, we haven’t had many calls go our way and they are going to highlight Raja’s play against Kobe, but there has been other plays that I don’t understand. What's the difference between this play and Kwame Brown elbowing Raja or standing over Boris, or Kobe pushing Boris into Smush Parker? I don’t understand what the real difference is in all these plays. But they are going to single out this play because it is against Kobe and that is just a shame."

tim thomas:

(On the Raja-Kobe battle)
“If you continue to get hit non-stop, eventually you are going to have enough. It's just hard-nosed basketball and we’re just out there playing hard.”

coach jackson:

(On what happened between Raja and Kobe)
“Entanglement. They got tangled up and (the refs) called a flagrant on it. But there's always contact over there between Raja and Kobe, so that’s going to be the way it is the rest of the series.”

(On whether or not he expects Raja Bell to be suspended)
“No. Why? I don’t think it’s anything beyond (a flagrant). It might have been a flagrant foul, but I don’t think it was at the level of a punch thrown. But we want him out there. We want their full team out there to play. It’s the only way to do it. You have to earn what you win.”

tobe:

“It’s a physical game. No more, no less. It’s a physical game and you go out there and play. We’re kind of throw-backs to the '80s style of basketball. And, it’s physical basketball.

“Look, it’s a physical game. I’m not trying to elbow somebody. That’s not what I do, that’s not how I play. If you get elbowed, you still have to keep your cool. I get elbowed all the time and I don’t go out there and lose my head. It’s part of the game and I don’t get disturbed by it. It actually excites me. I enjoy it. I grew up playing basketball that way. It’s part of the game.”

(Asked to characterize the altercation with Bell)
"I don’t really know. You guys probably don’t know what an octagon is. But it’s something that belongs in an octagon. If you want to train and hop in an octagon, we can train and hop in an octagon. That’s not basketball.”

(On whether he thinks Bell will be suspended)
"I hope not. I hope not. I didn’t get a chance to see the foul, but as a competitor playing in these big games, you want everybody to be there. You want to compete against their top players. That being said, I don’t know what the league is going to do. We look forward to the challenge on Thursday.”

lamar odom:

(On Bell's foul on Bryant)
"It doesn’t matter. If that’s the way he wants to play, then we can play like we’re in the park. It’s no big deal. "

not quite saying that SOMEONE was shook, but does anyone else here think that there was A WHOLE LOTTA JIB JAB from someone who didn't really care?

compare lamar odom's composed response to SOMEONE else's emotional yammering...

 

[TrojansFan]

these quotes are all from POST GAME. now, for a guy who claims to have been unaffected by the whole episode, SOMEONE sure had a mouthful to say...

coach d'antoni

(On the ejection of Raja Bell possibly resulting in a suspension)
“Yes, I’m concerned about it. I’m concerned about it and I hope it doesn’t happen. I think they have to take into consideration that he was hit with an elbow in the head before and [the officials] said ‘Well, we got the first foul.’ Well, it’s an elbow — you should’ve gotten the second foul. Obviously, it is what it is. I’m trying to choose my words. I don’t know if they’ll review. They’ll tell us what they’re going to do, so what I say right now doesn’t matter much. But I hope [they don’t suspend him]. I think we’ve been on the short end for a lot of things and whether that comes into account or not I don’t know. Whatever, we’re going to win it with him and he’ll win it for us, or we’ll go and win it for him and he’ll be back for the seventh game. So whatever happens we’re ready for it. We’ll play as well as we did today, play well and you would hope that things start to even out a little bit.”

(On what caused Raja Bell’s second technical foul)
“I think it was a couple of things. Obviously he got fouled and then got elbowed in the head. Then I heard the Laker bench was taunting him a little bit.”

raja bell:

“I guess I’m here to address what you all want to hear about. It was a bad play on my part. I overreacted. I’ve been hit in the face multiple times in this series and it was a bad play on my part."

(On whether he expects to be suspended)
"I don’t know. Like I said, it was a bad play and I kind of lost my head for a second. I don’t know what to expect. I hope they’ll understand it. It’s been a pretty physical series and at that point in time I had caught another elbow in my jaw, and I lost my head and overreacted to it. I can’t really blame anybody for what happened. It was the heat of the moment and I overreacted. I could have cost my team and for that I’m sorry.”

steve nash:

(On the physical game between Raja and Kobe)
"It is tough. It is a very fine line. Everyone on television asks for more physicality and all the critics say we aren’t tough enough, and then push comes to shove and now you want to say it is disrespectful to the game. It is self perpetuating and self-fulfilling. A lot of people want to see that and it is a very fine line, and it is very difficult to put so much pressure on people to be so physical and to stand up for their team. The game gets heated... It is a very fine line and I think a lot of guys make plays that they regret. Like I said, it gets hyped up and you expect someone to make the right decision every time and it is not going to happen.

"The other thing is inequality. In this series, we haven’t had many calls go our way and they are going to highlight Raja’s play against Kobe, but there has been other plays that I don’t understand. What's the difference between this play and Kwame Brown elbowing Raja or standing over Boris, or Kobe pushing Boris into Smush Parker? I don’t understand what the real difference is in all these plays. But they are going to single out this play because it is against Kobe and that is just a shame."

tim thomas:

(On the Raja-Kobe battle)
“If you continue to get hit non-stop, eventually you are going to have enough. It's just hard-nosed basketball and we’re just out there playing hard.”

coach jackson:

(On what happened between Raja and Kobe)
“Entanglement. They got tangled up and (the refs) called a flagrant on it. But there's always contact over there between Raja and Kobe, so that’s going to be the way it is the rest of the series.”

(On whether or not he expects Raja Bell to be suspended)
“No. Why? I don’t think it’s anything beyond (a flagrant). It might have been a flagrant foul, but I don’t think it was at the level of a punch thrown. But we want him out there. We want their full team out there to play. It’s the only way to do it. You have to earn what you win.”

tobe:

“It’s a physical game. No more, no less. It’s a physical game and you go out there and play. We’re kind of throw-backs to the '80s style of basketball. And, it’s physical basketball.

“Look, it’s a physical game. I’m not trying to elbow somebody. That’s not what I do, that’s not how I play. If you get elbowed, you still have to keep your cool. I get elbowed all the time and I don’t go out there and lose my head. It’s part of the game and I don’t get disturbed by it. It actually excites me. I enjoy it. I grew up playing basketball that way. It’s part of the game.”

(Asked to characterize the altercation with Bell)
"I don’t really know. You guys probably don’t know what an octagon is. But it’s something that belongs in an octagon. If you want to train and hop in an octagon, we can train and hop in an octagon. That’s not basketball.”

(On whether he thinks Bell will be suspended)
"I hope not. I hope not. I didn’t get a chance to see the foul, but as a competitor playing in these big games, you want everybody to be there. You want to compete against their top players. That being said, I don’t know what the league is going to do. We look forward to the challenge on Thursday.”

lamar odom:

(On Bell's foul on Bryant)
"It doesn’t matter. If that’s the way he wants to play, then we can play like we’re in the park. It’s no big deal. "

not quite saying that SOMEONE was shook, but does anyone else here think that there was A WHOLE LOTTA JIB JAB from someone who didn't really care?

compare lamar odom's composed response to SOMEONE else's emotional yammering...

I watched the post game conferences that these quotes were taken from and all the plaers and both coaches seemed very composed (including Bryan and Bell) except for Steve Nash. He seemed like he was very shook. This is just my opinion but I was sensing that he knew a suspension was forthcoming and that his MVP season was fastly cming to an end...

Well, game 6 is less than 24 hours away and we will find out who (other than Bell) if anybody was actually affected by this incident...
*Obviously Bell was affected because he got his self suspened for that dumb ass foul!

(If he really felt like Bryant was beating him up on the court as he claimed, I have no problem with giving Bryant a hard foul to send a message, but a clothseline 20' from basket with no attempt at the ball???)

 

[SpiritualPorn]

(If he really felt like Bryant was beating him up on the court as he claimed, I have no problem with giving Bryant a hard foul to send a message, but a clothseline 20' from basket with no attempt at the ball???)

Like the Mike Miller elbow?

Like the elbows he threw at Wade (and Wade hit him back and caught the foul?)

Notice Kobe's tough guy thing disappears when someone shows they aren't taking that shit.

Kobe is too good to have to be dirty. Elbows is dirty play.I don't remember Jordan or Magic ever being that kind of player.

 

[SpiritualPorn]

(Asked to characterize the altercation with Bell)
"I don’t really know. You guys probably don’t know what an octagon is. But it’s something that belongs in an octagon. If you want to train and hop in an octagon, we can train and hop in an octagon. That’s not basketball.”

(On whether he thinks Bell will be suspended)
"I hope not. I hope not. I didn’t get a chance to see the foul, but as a competitor playing in these big games, you want everybody to be there. You want to compete against their top players. That being said, I don’t know what the league is going to do. We look forward to the challenge on Thursday.”

lamar odom:

(On Bell's foul on Bryant)
"It doesn’t matter. If that’s the way he wants to play, then we can play like we’re in the park. It’s no big deal. "

not quite saying that SOMEONE was shook, but does anyone else here think that there was A WHOLE LOTTA JIB JAB from someone who didn't really care?

compare lamar odom's composed response to SOMEONE else's emotional yammering...

Kobe is disingenuous. He was being dirty, in a slick way. A couple more years in the leauge and Bell will learn the fine art of undercutting and ball grabbing.

I like when Bell said (on TNT) "We don't need an octagon, we can do it on the court".

 

[TimRock]

These threads are hilarious.

 

[Joe styles]

I'm glad that somebody finally laid Kobe's punk ass out!
Now someone needs to smack Kwame for getting dating tips from Kobe. lol

 

[cranrab]

Well, game 6 is less than 24 hours away and we will find out who (other than Bell) if anybody was actually affected by this incident...

right on.

i'm hoping for a game 7 so we can let the players actions ON THE COURT speak for themselves...

 

[SpiritualPorn]

I'm glad that somebody finally laid Kobe's punk ass out!
Now someone needs to smack Kwame for getting dating tips from Kobe. lol

Yeah

Somebody need's to grab Kwame's balls on a rebound.

That would be the perfect alibi.

 

[xfactor]

You said he should have retaliated! What kind of retaliation would not have earned him another T and an automatic ejection??? And why did you say the game was out of reach (which it clearly wasn't) and it didn't matter if he got tossed? Do you really believe the bullshit you say???

Like Raja Bell said. He couldve gotten up in his face, talked shit, did something. But he just sat there like Mike Tyson at the end of the Buster Douglass fight. And I said the game was out of reach because they were down by double digits when it happened, and what did the point differential stay for the right of the game? Thats what I thought

Do you just spit so much bullshit out of your mouth that you really don't remember what you said??? Well, I wasn't referring to your predictions you made in the thread I created on 4/21 called "NBA Playoff Predictions". I was referring to the thread you created the day early on 4/20 called "'05-'06 NBA Season Notes" where you said...

Remember that now? :

Well if you werent referring to the playoff prediciton post I made (which was my official prediction post) why are you bringing up other things? Like I said, did I predict that the Suns would sweep the Lakers in my playoff prediction thread? I see you like to manipulate things to prove you right but when you do you end up looking even more foolish

After my response guaranteeing the Lakers would not get swept, you later replied in the same thread that the Suns would win in 5 because Phil Jackson would not let them get swept even if he had to sit Kobe on the bench to prevent it. So lets see, you said Suns in 4, 5, and then 6... if you make enough predictions, one should end up being correct... too bad you didn't make any predictions that the Lakers might upset the Suns! I did!

Looks like you made a lot of predictions...

Here are my picks...

Spurs over Kings in 5 or 6 games
Suns over Lakers in 6 or 7 games (possible upset)
Clippers over Nuggets in 6 or 7 games
Mavs over Grizzlies in 4 or 5 games
Pistons over Bucks in 4 games
Heat over Bulls in 4 or 5 games
Nets over Pacers in 5 or 6 games
Wizards over Cavaliers in 5 or 6 games

So TF, why were you the only one in the thread that predicted MULTIPLE outcomes for the series winners? @ trying to minimize the margin of error so you could claim you were right.

On another note, you say I talk bullshit but I remember you making this post...

You've been crying for him to play more team ball all year, now when he does and has his team looking like legit championship contenders

You think a team that is only up 1 game against the beat up Phoenix Suns is looking like a LEGIT CHAMPIONSHIP CONTENDER?

If thats the case, then I guess the Milwaukee Bucks could contend for the title since they blew out the Pistons by 20 in Game 3, or the Sacramento Kings are primed for a dynasty run since they are one Brent Barry bounce away from being up 3-2.

Whats your prediction for tonight Swami? Still thinking the Lakers win in 6? Oh oops, you picked the Suns

 

[Makkonnen]

damn even the kwame thread?

 

[cranrab]

damn even the kwame thread?

i'll take a little bit of the responsibility...

i wanted to comment on kwame brown picking up 3 PFs in Q1 of game 5, but didn't want to start a brand new thread...

so i posted about the game (as opposed to the investigation)... what happened afterwards is not on me...

can anyone believe brian grant is getting 3 minutes to end the 1st half?

 

[Makkonnen]

i'll take a little bit of the responsibility...

i wanted to comment on kwame brown picking up 3 PFs in Q1 of game 5, but didn't want to start a brand new thread...

so i posted about the game (as opposed to the investigation)... what happened afterwards is not on me...

can anyone believe brian grant is getting 3 minutes to end the 1st half?

can anyone believe that the lakers are almost totally not slowing the game down like they are supposed to and not kickin it in to kwame like they should

lamar odom runnin the O and tryin to take 3 defenders to the hole? great insight

no discipline
the suns cant even compete if they slow it down

toby is a reactionary biotch and so are the rest of the dumbass team

they're lucky the Sons suck so badly and they are only down 3

 

[cranrab]

can anyone believe that the lakers are almost totally not slowing the game down like they are supposed to and not kickin it in to kwame like they should

kwame IS key... 5-6 FGAs in Q1... ZERO FGAs in Q2... some foul trouble

lamar odom runnin the O and tryin to take 3 defenders to the whole? great insight

i wouldn't knock lamar odom just yet... he's 4-5 FGAs 4-5 FTAs with 5 assists... 3 TOs isn't great, but at least he doesn't have 5 TOs like tobe...

 

[Makkonnen]

kwame IS key... 5-6 FGAs in Q1... ZERO FGAs in Q2... some foul trouble



i wouldn't knock lamar odom just yet... he's 4-5 FGAs 4-5 FTAs with 5 assists... 3 TOs isn't great, but at least he doesn't have 5 TOs like tobe...

im interested in excuses in why any of em arent doing what they did the first 4 games no fuckin excuse except POOR DISCIPLINE

the shit is stupid

 

[cranrab]

did tobe lose game 6 in Q3?

8+ minutes in, tobe 5-7 FGAs, NO OTHER FAKER with more than 1 FGA

 

[xfactor]

Re: did tobe lose game 6 in Q3?

8+ minutes in, tobe 5-7 FGAs, NO OTHER FAKER with more than 1 FGA

Speaking of 5-7 FGA, Leandro Barbosa is 5-7 FGA with 18 points

I wonder who is guarding him