Clarence Thomas A Lost Cause ?

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Black Press USA
by George E. Curry
NNPA Columnist

Clarence Thomas is such a lost soul that when adverse, race-sensitive 5-4 Supreme Court rulings are issued, everyone knows that he has already voted with the conservative majority before the votes are officially announced. Knowing how Thomas is going to vote on a case involving race is as reliable as predicting who is going to be on the next cover of “O” magazine.

Still, Thomas’ opinions are worth reading from time to time if for no other reason than to look at how he seeks to justify the unjustifiable. The court’s recent decisions limiting the use of race in pupil assignments in the Seattle and Louisville school districts lifts yet another curtain on Thomas’ delusional thinking.

If you think that’s a harsh assessment, consider this gem from the court’s lone Black member: “… My view of the Constitution is Justice Harlan’s view in Plessy: ‘Our Constitution is color-blind, and neither knows nor tolerates classes among citizens’…And my view was the rallying cry for the lawyers who litigated Brown.”

Let’s take each comment in reverse order. First, Thurgood Marshall, the first – and some would argue, the only – African-American to sit on the court, would turn over in his grave at the suggestion that he and Clarence Thomas were fighting for the same issues.

They are polar opposites. Both Thomas and Chief Justice John G. Roberts, Jr. pretend to be acting in the best tradition of the Brown decision when they ruled against the two school systems that implemented race-conscious student assignment policies.

Roberts wrote for the ajority, “Before Brown, schoolchildren were told where they could and could not go to school based on the color of their skin. The school districts in these cases have not carried the heavy burden of demonstrating that we should allow this once again— even for very different reasons.”

Justice John Paul Stevens, referring to segregated schools prior to Brown, wrote in his dissent, “The Chief Justice fails to note that it was only black schoolchildren who were so ordered; indeed, the history books do not tell stories of white children struggling to attend black schools. In this and other ways, the Chief Justice rewrites the history of one of this Court’s most important decisions.”

Misrepresentation is not limited to the Brown decisions of 1954 and 1955. In falsely claiming to be acting in the tradition of Justice Harlan, Thomas and his compatriots like to cite his purported belief in a “color-blind” constitution. Like many other things, conservatives take the quote out of context.
In 1896, in Plessy v. Ferguson, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld a Louisiana law requiring separate railway cars for Blacks and Whites. In his dissent, this is what Harlan said:

“The white race deems itself to be the dominant race in this country. And so it is in prestige, in achievements, in education, in wealth and in power. So, I doubt not, it will continue to be for all time if it remains true to its great heritage and holds fast to the principles of constitutional liberty.

But in view of the Constitution, in the eye of the law, there is in this country no superior, dominant, ruling class of citizens. There is no caste here. Our Constitution is color-blind, and neither knows nor tolerates classes among citizens. In respect of civil rights, all citizens are equal before the law.

The humblest is the peer of the most powerful. The law regards man as man, and takes no account of his surroundings or of his color when his civil rights as guaranteed by the supreme law of the land are involved.”

Harlan was seeking to expand constitutional protection, not limit it. The Brown decision overturned Plessy as the court’s majority unanimously adopted what had been Harlan’s minority view.

In his opinion, a shameless Clarence Thomas tried to compare justices who backed the Seattle and Louisville school districts to arch-segregationists who opposed Brown.

“The segregationists in Brown embraced the arguments the Court endorsed in Plessy,” he wrote. “Though Brown decisively rejected those arguments, today’s dissent replicates them to a distressing extent….The dissent argues that ‘weight [must be given] to a local school board’s knowledge, expertise, and concerns, and with equal vigor, the segregationists argued deference to local authorities.

“…The dissent argues that today’s decision ‘threatens to substitute for personal calm a disruptive round of race-related litigation’ and claims that today’s decision ‘risks serious harm to the law and for the Nation.’
The segregationists also relied upon the likely practical consequences of ending the state-imposed system of racial separation…

And foreshadowing today’s dissent, the segregationists most heavily relied upon judicial precedent.” Thomas declared, “What was wrong in 1954 cannot be right today.”
And what’s wrong today is wrong forever.
(Next week: Thomas’ Strange View of Integration.)

George E. Curry, former editor-in-chief of Emerge magazine and the NNPA News Service, is a keynote speaker, moderator, and media coach. He can be reached through his Web site, www.georgecurry.com.

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George E. Curry has hated Thomas forever and has made it a personal mission to go after him.

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But, is he right or wrong ???

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<font size="5"><center>Clarence Thomas: a Lost Cause – Part II</font size></center>

Black Press USA
by George E. Curry
NNPA Columnist

As I pointed out in last week’s column, Clarence Thomas has no compunction about stretching the truth or distorting reality.

He recently compared his Supreme Court colleagues who declared that it was permissible to take race into consideration when making pupil assignments in the Seattle and Louisville-area school districts to ardent segregationists who opposed the 1954 and 1955 Brown v. Board of Education Supreme Court decisions.

In his 36-page concurring opinion in which the 5-4 conservative majority outlawed such race-conscious considerations, Thomas expressed some curious views on integration and the limited instances in which he believes race-conscious remedies can be constitutionally-justified.

Quoting himself more than 15 times – an average of almost once every other page – Thomas dismisses a body of scholarly evidence on the value of integration to both Blacks and Whites, preferring instead to cite the agenda-driven views of such well-known conservatives as Thomas Sowell and Abigail and Stephan Thernstrom.

Taking that approach, perhaps it shouldn’t be surprising that he wrote, “As a general rule, all race-based government decision-making – regardless of context – is unconstitutional.” He argued, “This Court has carved out a narrow exception to that general rule for cases in which a school district has a ‘history of maintaining two sets of schools in a single school system deliberately operated to carry out a government policy to separate pupils in schools solely on the basis of race.’”

Thomas was quoting the 1971 Swann v. Charlotte-Mecklenburg Board of Education ruling. However, he conveniently ignores this section of that same majority opinion:

“School authorities are traditionally charged with broad power to formulate and implement educational policy and might conclude, for example, that in order to prepare students to live in a pluralistic society each school should have a prescribed ratio of Negro to white students reflecting the proportion for the district as a whole. To do this as an educational policy is within the broad discretionary power of school authorities.”

Thomas takes the position that any racial separation caused by anything other than de jure segregation – a situation that he calls racial balancing -- is beyond the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court.

“Racial imbalance is the failure of a school district’s individual schools to match or approximate the demographic makeup of the student population at large,” Thomas wrote. “…Racial imbalance is not segregation. Although presently observed racial imbalance might result from de jure segregation, racial imbalance can also result from any number of innocent private decisions, including voluntary housing choices.”

What can schools do about segregated housing patterns and de facto segregation? In Thomas’ view, nothing.

“This court does not sit to ‘create a society that includes all Americans’ or to solve the problems of ‘troubled inner city schooling,’” Thomas declared. “We are not social engineers.”

Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, who voted with Thomas in the school cases, does not share his narrow view. He wrote, “It is permissible to consider the racial makeup of schools and to adopt general policies to encourage a diverse student body, one aspect of which is its racial composition.”

In questioning the value of school desegregation, Thomas wrote, “In reality, it is far from apparent that coerced racial mixing has any educational benefits, much less that integration is necessary to black achievement.”

Thomas dismissed the notion that interaction between Blacks and Whites is more likely to occur in an integrated setting.

He said, “There is no guarantee, however, that students of different races in the same school will actually spend time with one another…Simply putting students together under the same roof does not necessarily mean that the students will learn together or even interact. Furthermore, it is unclear whether increased interracial contact improves racial attitudes and relations.”

Many scholars disagree.

In one friend-of-the court brief, 553 social scientists stated: “Racially integrated schools prepare students to be effective citizens in our pluralistic society, further social cohesion, and reinforce democratic values. They promote cross-racial understanding, reduce prejudice, improve critical thinking skills and academic achievement, and enhance life opportunities for students of all races. Communities also benefit from a potential workforce that is better prepared for a global economy, reduced residential segregation, and increased parental involvement in schools – all of which increase the stability of communities.”

It is ironic that Thomas would rule out the use of race in all but the most extreme circumstances when he has advanced all the way to the Supreme Court largely because of his race.
In their book, “Supreme Discomfort: The Divided Soul of Clarence Thomas,” Kevin Merida and Michael A. Fletcher observe:

“Every Thomas employer, from Danforth, who gave him his first job, to President George H.W. Bush, who nominated him to the Supreme Court, chose Thomas at least partly because he is black. Race is a central fact of his meteoric rise, and Thomas has alternately denied it and resented it –all the way to the top.”

George E. Curry, former editor-in-chief of Emerge magazine and the NNPA News Service, is a keynote speaker, moderator, and media coach. He can be reached through his Web site, www.georgecurry.com.


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But, is he right or wrong ???

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He who, Curry? Doesn't matter to me what he says about Thomas. Curry is trying to sell opinion for a buck. Thats his hustle. His opinions are his own. Some I agree with, some I don't. Point is, it doesn't seem to make a bit of difference what he says, Thomas is still gonna be Thomas.

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But, is he right or wrong ???

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I think Curry's wrong. He wishes to disregard constitutional policies for convienience. We shouldn't do that. Mandating integration is no less posionous than mandating segragation. Both use racial makeup to compel an action. Although many scientists says itt helps, it doesn't overcome the smell test. And I wonder who those scientists are. This is nothing more than a bludgeon by the writer to gind his ax with "mighty Whitey".

I posit this: Considering that anti poverty activists say that money would help poor people, why not take, let's say, $10 Billion from Bill Gates. that would allow us to give 100,000 people $10,000 for deposits on homes, a better car, or investment seed money. Hey, he was giving it away anyway, right ? He would sill have tens of Billions left, right ?

This is NO different than what the Seattle school system wants to do. Use "do gooder" convinience to ignore the constitution.

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I think Curry's wrong. He wishes to disregard constitutional policies for convienience. We shouldn't do that. Mandating integration is no less posionous than mandating segragation. Both use racial makeup to compel an action. Although many scientists says itt helps, it doesn't overcome the smell test. And I wonder who those scientists are. This is nothing more than a bludgeon by the writer to gind his ax with "mighty Whitey".

I posit this: Considering that anti poverty activists say that money would help poor people, why not take, let's say, $10 Billion from Bill Gates. that would allow us to give 100,000 people $10,000 for deposits on homes, a better car, or investment seed money. Hey, he was giving it away anyway, right ? He would sill have tens of Billions left, right ?

This is NO different than what the Seattle school system wants to do. Use "do gooder" convinience to ignore the constitution.

Holla.

I wished I had asked you back then to elaborate on your theory that Curry "disregard[ed] constitutional policies for convienience." Oh well.

I think the concern over Clarence Thomas is not only over his brand of Constitutional interpretation, but his ethics, as well.
 

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I think the concern over Clarence Thomas is not only over his brand of Constitutional interpretation, but his ethics, as well.


As in:

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Should Clarence Thomas Recuse Himself ???

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And now,



Justice's friendship with Dallas magnate
puts focus on ethics​
In question is Clarence Thomas’s role
in major contributor's donation for museum



PIN POINT, Ga. — Clarence Thomas was here promoting his memoir a few years ago when he bumped into Algernon Varn, whose grandfather once ran a seafood cannery that employed Justice Thomas’s mother as a crab picker.

Mr. Varn lived at the old cannery site, a collection of crumbling buildings on a salt marsh just down the road from a sign heralding this remote coastal community outside Savannah as Justice Thomas’s birthplace. The justice asked about plans for the property, and Mr. Varn said he hoped it could be preserved.

“And Clarence said, ‘Well, I’ve got a friend I’m going to put you in touch with,’ ” Mr. Varn recalled, adding that he was later told by others not to identify the friend.

The publicity-shy friend turned out to be Harlan Crow, a Dallas real estate magnate and a major contributor to conservative causes. <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Mr. Crow stepped in to finance the multimillion-dollar purchase and restoration of the cannery, featuring a museum about the culture and history of Pin Point that has become a pet project of Justice Thomas’s</span>.

The project throws a spotlight on an unusual, and ethically sensitive, friendship that appears to be markedly different from those of other justices on the nation’s highest court.

The two men met in the mid-1990s, a few years after Justice Thomas joined the court. <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">Since then, Mr. Crow has done many favors for the justice and his wife, Virginia</span>,

  • helping finance a Savannah library project dedicated to Justice Thomas,

  • presenting him with a Bible that belonged to Frederick Douglass and reportedly providing $500,000 for Ms. Thomas to start a Tea Party-related group.

  • They have also spent time together at gatherings of prominent Republicans and businesspeople at Mr. Crow’s Adirondacks estate and his camp in East Texas.

In several instances, news reports of Mr. Crow’s largess provoked controversy and questions, adding fuel to a rising debate about Supreme Court ethics. <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">But Mr. Crow’s financing of the museum, his largest such act of generosity, previously unreported, raises the sharpest questions yet — both about Justice Thomas’s extrajudicial activities</span> and about the extent to which the justices should remain exempt from the code of conduct for federal judges.

Although the Supreme Court is not bound by the code, justices have said they adhere to it. Legal ethicists differed on whether Justice Thomas’s dealings with Mr. Crow pose a problem under the code. But they agreed that one facet of the relationship was both unusual and important in weighing any ethical implications: Justice Thomas’s role in Mr. Crow’s donation for the museum.

The code says judges “should not personally participate” in raising money for charitable endeavors, out of concern that donors might feel pressured to give or entitled to favorable treatment from the judge. In addition, judges are not even supposed to know who donates to projects honoring them.

While the nonprofit Pin Point museum is not intended to honor Justice Thomas, people involved in the project said his role in the community’s history would inevitably be part of it, and he participated in a documentary film that is to accompany the exhibits.

Deborah L. Rhode, a Stanford University law professor who has called for stricter ethics rules for Supreme Court justices, said Justice Thomas “should not be directly involved in fund-raising activities, no matter how worthy they are or whether he’s being centrally honored by the museum.”

On the other hand, the restriction on fund-raising is primarily meant to deter judges from using their position to pressure donors, as opposed to relying on “a rich friend” like Mr. Crow, said Ronald D. Rotunda, who teaches legal ethics at Chapman University in California.

“I don’t think I could say it’s unethical,” he said. “It’s just a very peculiar situation.”

Justice Thomas, through a Supreme Court spokeswoman, declined to respond to a detailed set of questions submitted by The New York Times. Mr. Crow also would not comment.

Supreme Court ethics have been under increasing scrutiny, largely because of the activities of Justice Thomas and Ms. Thomas, whose group, Liberty Central, opposed President Obama’s health care overhaul — an issue likely to wind up before the court. Mr. Crow’s donation to Liberty Central was reported by Politico.

In January, the liberal advocacy organization Common Cause asked the Justice Department to investigate whether Justices Thomas and Antonin Scalia should have recused themselves from last year’s Citizens United campaign finance case because they had attended a political retreat organized by the billionaire Koch brothers, who support groups that stood to benefit from the court’s decision.

A month later, more than 100 law professors asked Congress to extend to Supreme Court justices the ethics code that applies to other federal judges, and a bill addressing the issue was introduced.

It is not unusual for justices to accept gifts or take part in outside activities, some with political overtones.

Justice Stephen G. Breyer has attended Renaissance Weekend, a retreat for politicians, artists and media personalities that is a favorite of Democrats, including former President Bill Clinton. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg participated in a symposium sponsored by the National Organization for Women’s Legal Defense and Education Fund, and a philanthropic foundation once tried to give her a $100,000 achievement award. She instructed that the money be given to charity.


But in the case of Justice Thomas and his dealings with Mr. Crow, the ethical complications appear more complex.


Conservative ties

Mr. Crow, 61, manages the real estate and investment businesses founded by his late father, Trammell Crow, once the largest landlord in the United States. The Crow family portfolio is worth hundreds of millions of dollars and includes investments in hotels, medical facilities, public equities and hedge funds.

A friend of the Bush family, Mr. Crow is a trustee of the George Bush Presidential Library Foundation and has donated close to $5 million to Republican campaigns and conservative groups:

Among his contributions were $100,000 to Swift Boat Veterans for
Truth, the group formed to attack the Vietnam War record of Senator
John Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential candidate, and $500,000
to an organization that ran advertisements urging the confirmation of
President George W. Bush’s nominees to the Supreme Court.

Mr. Crow has not personally been a party to Supreme Court litigation,
but his companies have been involved in federal court cases, including
four that went to the appellate level. And he has served on the boards
of two conservative organizations involved in filing supporting briefs in
cases before the Supreme Court. One of them, the American Enterprise
Institute, with Mr. Crow as a trustee, gave Justice Thomas a bust of
Lincoln valued at $15,000 and praised his jurisprudence at an awards
gala in 2001.​


The institute’s Project on Fair Representation later filed briefs in several cases, and in 2006 the project brought a lawsuit challenging federal voting rights laws, <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">a case in which Justice Thomas filed a lone dissent, embracing the project’s arguments.</span> The project director, an institute fellow named Edward Blum, said the institute supported his research but did not finance the brief filings or the Texas suit, which was litigated pro bono by a former clerk of Justice Thomas’s.





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I wished I had asked you back then to elaborate on your theory that Curry "disregard[ed] constitutional policies for convienience." Oh well.

I think the concern over Clarence Thomas is not only over his brand of Constitutional interpretation, but his ethics, as well.

I will still answer, by stating that my answer was in the next sentance. It is still putting students in a certain place because of skin color.

What happened to equal protection under the law ?

As for recusal, it is IMO, an open and shut case. He should recuse.
 

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Clarence Thomas has always voted in favor of barbarism over civilization throughout his time on SCOTUS. If you go through recent SCOTUS (8-1) rulings where uncle Clarence was the sole dissenter you get a clear idea of his depravity.

A most heinous recent example of his degeneracy was Clarence’s ruling in Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, 03-6696

The other eight members of SCOTUS unlike Thomas retained their humanity and more intelligently they understood that if they approved the BuShit administrations arguments in Hamdi v. Rumsfeld as lawful, the law could ultimately be used against them by the current or successor administration in the future.

Dimwit Clarence couldn’t even figure that out, he has no self-preservation instincts, he just does what he thinks will please the radical extreme reich-wing RepubliKlans who have adopted him as an honorary-white.

Here is what the Eight sane members of SCOTUS said:
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Writing for an 8-1 majority in the case of American-born detainee Yaser Esam Hamdi, Justice Sandra Day O'Connor said the Court has "made clear that a state of war is not a blank check for the president when it comes to the rights of the nation's citizens." Four of the Justices (Souter, Ginsburg, Scalia and Stevens) said that they would go further and order Hamdi's immediate release, and Justice Souter in particular said that holding Hamdi incommunicado is a violation of the Geneva Conventions. The case is Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, 03-6696.</blockquote>
What did uncle Clarence say in his sole support for the BuShit administration argument.

Uncle Clarence said that:

The President of the UNITED STATES has the authority to order secret police to your door, break that door down, drag you and your family out, and put you in prison.

Clarence said that the President of the United States could order this done by himself, without asking or informing ANY member of congress or asking or informing a federal judge or any judge.

Uncle clarence said that once you were in this secret jail you had NO right to a trial. Clarence said you had NO right to even speak to an attorney.

Clarence said that the president could keep you in that jail without a hearing, without a trial, without access to an attorney, without access to any visitors, as long as he wanted to without accountability to anyone but himself.


What a sick disturbed man Clarence is.


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I will still answer, by stating that my answer was in the next sentance. It is still putting students in a certain place because of skin color.

What happened to equal protection under the law ?
What happens when you find that there has not been equal protection under the law ???

Do you provide a remedy; or do you simply say "stop that" ??? Is a violation of one's constitutional right a foul without a penalty? - in basketball, the person fouled gets a free throw in some instances and in others his team is rewarded with possession.

In the context of violations of one's constitution rights based on race, is the violation simply deemed no harm, hence, no foul ???
 

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What happens when you find that there has not been equal protection under the law ???

Do you provide a remedy; or do you simply say "stop that" ??? Is a violation of one's constitutional right a foul without a penalty? - in basketball, the person fouled gets a free throw in some instances and in others his team is rewarded with possession.

In the context of violations of one's constitution rights based on race, is the violation simply deemed no harm, hence, no foul ???

Good sports analogy, but there are some things that are broken that cannot be fixed by simple reversal. Segregation was one of them IMO. What usually happened was that kids were put into a different stressful situation, not always a better one. Accurate funding, and full inclusion into the educational process ia all you can do without falling into the trap of just trying to please personal desires (whicha was at the core of segregation in the first place).
 

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Good sports analogy, but there are some things that are broken that cannot be fixed by simple reversal. Segregation was one of them IMO.

Perhaps, but that statement goes against the grain of the whole notion of compensatory damages (one of the bedrock principles of American Jurisprudence), that is, attempting to put the injured party back where he was or should have been, but for the wrongful conduct. Now, I realize that there is no "perfect" solution and no party can ever be made completely whole, (i.e., sums awarded in an automobile accident can not replace the severed leg), nevertheless, isn't the goal to do that as proximate as can be done ???

Mind you, payment of money damages is not what I have in mind (though I do firmly believe that the American legal priniciples underlying compensatory damages would clearly serve as the justification for the payment of reparations), but why should those who have been harmed because of their skin color not be made whole ???

Whats bothering me here and what appears to me might be one of your concerns is the notion of reverse discrimination. That is, any remedy now that might adversely affect the majority is as wrong as those things done by majority then that adversely affected the minority. Am I wrong in sensing that vibe ???


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Good sports analogy, but there are some things that are broken that cannot be fixed by simple reversal. Segregation was one of them IMO.

Perhaps, but that statement goes against the grain of the whole notion of compensatory damages (one of the bedrock principles of American Jurisprudence), that is, attempting to put the injured party back where he was or should have been, but for the wrongful conduct which caused his injury. Now, I realize that there is no "perfect" solution and no party can ever be made completely whole, (i.e., sums awarded in an automobile accident can not replace the severed leg), nevertheless, isn't the goal to do that as proximately as can be done ???

Mind you, payment of money damages is not what I have in mind (though I do firmly believe that the American legal priniciples underlying compensatory damages would clearly serve as the justification for the payment of reparations), but why should those who have been harmed because of their skin color not be made whole ???

Whats bothering me here about your logic and what appears to me might be one of your concerns is the notion of reverse discrimination. That is, any remedy now that might adversely affect the majority is as wrong as those things done by majority then that adversely affected the minority. Am I wrong in sensing that vibe ???


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Your a fucking lost cause.

Justice Thomas is a judge who upholds the law. He doesn't uphold the whims of a political class (liberals). Why the fuck is it so hard for you dumb ass to get this...

IF YOU WANT HIM TO UPHOLD LIBERAL BULLSHIT, ENSHRINE LIBERAL BULLSHIT IN THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!
What the fuck is so hard to understand about that? Its really quite simple. His job isn't to make up shit as he goes along, its TO UPHOLD THE MOTHERFUCKING LAW!!!

If you were before a judge and could be proven inocent, would you want a judge just to rule on your case based on his whims"? Or if you were prosecuting a case and a judge just ruled based on his whims, you'd be pissed. Pass Amendments to the constitution, and get the ratified. Quit being so fucking lazy, and quit blaming people who are doing there fucking job they way it should be done.
 

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Your a fucking lost cause.

Justice Thomas is a judge who upholds the law. He doesn't uphold the whims of a political class (liberals). Why the fuck is it so hard for you dumb ass to get this...

IF YOU WANT HIM TO UPHOLD LIBERAL BULLSHIT, ENSHRINE LIBERAL BULLSHIT IN THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!
What the fuck is so hard to understand about that? Its really quite simple. His job isn't to make up shit as he goes along, its TO UPHOLD THE MOTHERFUCKING LAW!!!

If you were before a judge and could be proven inocent, would you want a judge just to rule on your case based on his whims"? Or if you were prosecuting a case and a judge just ruled based on his whims, you'd be pissed. Pass Amendments to the constitution, and get the ratified. Quit being so fucking lazy, and quit blaming people who are doing there fucking job they way it should be done.

It happens all the time. And the judge will dare you to check him/her.

So, I can see why people think Clarence Thomas is one of "those" judges.
 

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As much as I love/miss Curry and EMERGE Magazine, he as well as others really need to get over Clarence Thomas. All these attacks for almost two decades have made Curry come off as Thomas' Little Bitch.

Thomas is a NEO-CONSERVATIVE!!!
Get over it.

Thomas' judicial voting records don't mean SHIT in the end if Black people can't even bring themselves to even vote at simplest of local levels to have their local/state politicians implement laws.
 

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Remember kids, the Obama health care bill will be at the steps of the supreme court in a couple of months. The liberal machine is starting to have stories on the justices. This is all a political ploy to put pressure on the court. Typical...
 

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I think Curry's wrong. He wishes to disregard constitutional policies for convienience. We shouldn't do that. Mandating integration is no less posionous than mandating segragation. Both use racial makeup to compel an action. Although many scientists says itt helps, it doesn't overcome the smell test. And I wonder who those scientists are. This is nothing more than a bludgeon by the writer to gind his ax with "mighty Whitey".

I posit this: Considering that anti poverty activists say that money would help poor people, why not take, let's say, $10 Billion from Bill Gates. that would allow us to give 100,000 people $10,000 for deposits on homes, a better car, or investment seed money. Hey, he was giving it away anyway, right ? He would sill have tens of Billions left, right ?

This is NO different than what the Seattle school system wants to do. Use "do gooder" convinience to ignore the constitution.

Holla.

That is a silly comparison. I would suggest you go back and actually understand what they were doing in Seattle (and the case that led to it from Michigan).
 

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That is a silly comparison. I would suggest you go back and actually understand what they were doing in Seattle (and the case that led to it from Michigan).

I feel that I did. Why don't you "educate" me ?

What do you think they were doing?
 

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I feel that I did. Why don't you "educate" me ?

What do you think they were doing?

What they WERE doing is to use race as ONE COMPONENT (not even the most important), among many others, that would be factored into a system of scoring which determined what school a kid would be assigned. Race conscious means had been OK'd by the court for decades even when you're not dealing with de jure segregation (meaning that you dont have to show that a state is allowing segregation by law to be able to use race conscious means of gaining more diversity at your school). The fact is that this was race neutral, meaning that it's not like only black people could benefit. If a school was too disproportionately black or white, then the formula would be used to try and make it more diverse. So if there was a school that a lot of white people wanted to go to, and that school was disproportionately black, then white students would gain the advantage of the racial component. But the effect was that a bunch of white parents (who ended up winning the lawsuit) got angry because as to be expected the schools that were the most desired were in the white neighborhoods and were already disproportionately white - so they felt like black students were getting more of a benefit and so concocted this BS about how the formula wasn't "narrowly tailored" to the problem. The court was more conservative from Bollinger to this Seattle Case (O'Connor left, Alito + Roberts joined) thus they overturned the precedent.
 

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Your a fucking lost cause.

Justice Thomas is a judge who upholds the law. He doesn't uphold the whims of a political class (liberals). Why the fuck is it so hard for you dumb ass to get this...

IF YOU WANT HIM TO UPHOLD LIBERAL BULLSHIT, ENSHRINE LIBERAL BULLSHIT IN THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!
What the fuck is so hard to understand about that? Its really quite simple. His job isn't to make up shit as he goes along, its TO UPHOLD THE MOTHERFUCKING LAW!!!

If you were before a judge and could be proven inocent, would you want a judge just to rule on your case based on his whims"? Or if you were prosecuting a case and a judge just ruled based on his whims, you'd be pissed. Pass Amendments to the constitution, and get the ratified. Quit being so fucking lazy, and quit blaming people who are doing there fucking job they way it should be done.

He clearly upholds "conservative" nonsense and a "conservative" agenda, laws and precedent be damned.
 

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Remember kids, the Obama health care bill will be at the steps of the supreme court in a couple of months. The liberal machine is starting to have stories on the justices. This is all a political ploy to put pressure on the court. Typical...

And this is more onerous to than the Republican governors and state's attorney generals filing lawsuits with the purpose of this going to the Right leaning court in the first place?

The stories on Thomas have been around but got more attention due to his wife being more open in her activity.
 

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And this is more onerous to than the Republican governors and state's attorney generals filing lawsuits with the purpose of this going to the Right leaning court in the first place?

The stories on Thomas have been around but got more attention due to his wife being more open in her activity.

Question.

I know the answer, but I just want to hear it from some idiot Liberals lying, cheating, hypocritical, twisted mouth :angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:

Should Elana Kagan recuse herself from the case? You know, the one justice who actually worked on the FUCKING LAW ITSELF... I can't wait to hear your answer about how she shouldn't recuse herself (she actually worked on the language of the law... Talk about a conflict of interest), while clarence thomas should (you know, his wife is interested and participates in conservative politics).

Follow up question, Which one do you feel is a greater conflict of interest?

Follow up Question 2, why do feel as though someone who ACTUALLY WORKED ON THE LANGUAGE OF THE LAW should be seated to decide whether or not it is constitutional?


This should be good...

Im waiting nigga.

:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:
 

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Question.

I know the answer, but I just want to hear it from some idiot Liberals lying, cheating, hypocritical, twisted mouth :angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:

Should Elana Kagan recuse herself from the case? You know, the one justice who actually worked on the FUCKING LAW ITSELF... I can't wait to hear your answer about how she shouldn't recuse herself (she actually worked on the language of the law... Talk about a conflict of interest), while clarence thomas should (you know, his wife is interested and participates in conservative politics).

Follow up question, Which one do you feel is a greater conflict of interest?

Follow up Question 2, why do feel as though someone who ACTUALLY WORKED ON THE LANGUAGE OF THE LAW should be seated to decide whether or not it is constitutional?


This should be good...

Im waiting nigga.

:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:



I notice you stay your ass out of those Clarence Thomas suckin' up to the Cock Brothers threads!

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Question.

Should Elana Kagan recuse herself from the case? You know, the one justice who actually worked on the FUCKING LAW ITSELF... I can't wait to hear your answer about how she shouldn't recuse herself (she actually worked on the language of the law... Talk about a conflict of interest), while clarence thomas should (you know, his wife is interested and participates in conservative politics).

Follow up question, Which one do you feel is a greater conflict of interest?

Follow up Question 2, why do feel as though someone who ACTUALLY WORKED ON THE LANGUAGE OF THE LAW should be seated to decide whether or not it is constitutional?


:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:

See how I edited your question and took out the parts that don't belong and made you look much smarter and more mature? Try it.

She should and, considering her history of recusal, she might. But if Thomas is still sitting there, she shouldn't.

I don't see you actually defending Thomas but deflecting and wanting to talk about someone else, that's very telling.
 

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Question.

I know the answer, but I just want to hear it from some idiot Liberals lying, cheating, hypocritical, twisted mouth :angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:

Should Elana Kagan recuse herself from the case? You know, the one justice who actually worked on the FUCKING LAW ITSELF... I can't wait to hear your answer about how she shouldn't recuse herself (she actually worked on the language of the law... Talk about a conflict of interest), while clarence thomas should (you know, his wife is interested and participates in conservative politics).

Follow up question, Which one do you feel is a greater conflict of interest?

Follow up Question 2, why do feel as though someone who ACTUALLY WORKED ON THE LANGUAGE OF THE LAW should be seated to decide whether or not it is constitutional?


This should be good...

Im waiting ----.

Sir, I have overlooked on two or three occasions your reference to posters on this board as idiots, etc. I've also overlooked your propensity to use the "N" word on this board. I thought that perhaps at some point you would read the rules and govern your comments accordingly. Please be advised that while your comments, and even more so your disagreement with the comments of others on this board, are welcomed your disregard of the rules is not.

I would appreciate it if you would please review the Rules of the Board posted as the first thread on this board and ensure that your comments are in compliance therewith.

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Your a fucking lost cause.

Justice Thomas is a judge who upholds the law. He doesn't uphold the whims of a political class (liberals). Why the fuck is it so hard for you dumb ass to get this...

IF YOU WANT HIM TO UPHOLD LIBERAL BULLSHIT, ENSHRINE LIBERAL BULLSHIT IN THE CONSTITUTION!!!!!
What the fuck is so hard to understand about that? Its really quite simple. His job isn't to make up shit as he goes along, its TO UPHOLD THE MOTHERFUCKING LAW!!!

If you were before a judge and could be proven inocent, would you want a judge just to rule on your case based on his whims"? Or if you were prosecuting a case and a judge just ruled based on his whims, you'd be pissed. Pass Amendments to the constitution, and get the ratified. Quit being so fucking lazy, and quit blaming people who are doing there fucking job they way it should be done.


Great post!!! This guy is only targeted because of his thoughts. Get an education, stand for something get crucified by your own. Aspire to be a gangsta rapper or football player who kills his girlfriend then hide in the trunk and get a pass. Some of our people way of thinking is so warped it's not even funny anymore it's sad.
Do we ever hear of white people calling the white justices sell outs for upholding the law of the land? We are a nation of laws. A Republic not a democracy. This is why most blacks will ALWAYS BE CONSUMERS AND NOT PRODUCERS!!! So is he suppose to make decisions that would forever make our race a permanent underclass??? This way of thinking is why there will always be a gap in education and earnings.
 

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I officially apologize for using inappropriate language and calling people names on the board. I just get heated sometimes. I was a kid when Thomas got nominated and I didn't know i wasnt supposed to be "proud" that another black man got on the supreme court. I didn't find out till a couple of years ago how much people hate him just cause of his politics. At the time all politics seemed the same to me. But I will enlighten my discusion and clean up my language going forward.
 

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Great post!!! This guy is only targeted because of his thoughts. Get an education, stand for something get crucified by your own. Aspire to be a gangsta rapper or football player who kills his girlfriend then hide in the trunk and get a pass. Some of our people way of thinking is so warped it's not even funny anymore it's sad.

Where did you hear this or this something you made up? I'm just going to skip over the foolishness about rappers since they get criticized all the time by "our people".
One of the main reasons to be against someone is their thoughts if you disagree with those thoughts. Thomas' actions are reprehensible enough. He benefitted from affirmative action policies and now wants them dismantled. Even more egregious is his lack of scruples or ethics, for example

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/06/23/251092/thomas-hearts-crow/
Second Harlan Crow Connected Group Has A Perfect Litigation Record Before Justice Thomas
By Ian Millhiser on Jun 23, 2011 at 9:50 am


Justice Clarence Thomas and Real Estate Mogul Harlan Crow
Real estate magnate Harlan Crow has been very good to Justice Clarence Thomas, lavishing gifts and other favors on Thomas and his family. Crow provided $500,000 to allow Thomas’ wife to start a Tea Party group, and he once gave Thomas a $19,000 Bible that belonged to Frederick Douglass. He also served on the board of a corporate-aligned think tank called the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), which once gave Thomas a $15,000 gift.

As ThinkProgress reported earlier this week, AEI filed at least three briefs in the Supreme Court after giving Thomas this very expensive gift, and Thomas either sided with AEI or took a position that was much more extreme that AEI’s in all three of these cases. ThinkProgress has now learned that a second Harlan Crow-affiliated group, the Center for the Community Interest, has a perfect record in front of Justice Thomas.

Crow served on CCI’s board alongside failed Bush judicial nominee Miguel Estrada. Westlaw’s database of Supreme Court briefs reveals eight briefs filed by CCI in eight different Supreme Court cases, and Justice Thomas voted for CCI’s preferred outcome in every single one of these cases:

City of Chicago v. Morales: The lower court struck down a law “making it illegal for members of criminal gangs to loiter and fail to obey an order to disperse.” CCI asked the Court to reverse that decision, and Justice Thomas wrote a dissent saying that he would reverse.
Pennsylvania Bd. of Probation and Parole v. Scott: The lower court struck down a parole board’s warrantless search of a parolee’s residence. CCI asked the Court to reverse that decision, and Justice Thomas wrote the 5-4 decision reversing.
Dickerson v. U.S.: The lower court upheld a statute cutting at the core of accused defendant’s Miranda rights. CCI asked the Court to affirm this decision. Justice Thomas joined a dissent which would have affirmed.
U.S. v. Knights: The lower court struck down the warrantless search of a probationer’s residence. CCI asked the Court to reverse. Justice Thomas joined a decision reversing.
U.S. Dept. of Housing & Urban Development v. Rucker: The lower court ruled in favor of public housing tenants who were evicted because their resident family members or caregivers violated drug laws. CCI asked the Court to reverse. Justice Thomas joined a decision reversing.
Connecticut Dept. of Public Safety v. Doe: The lower court struck down a law requiring public disclosure of registered sex offenders. CCI asked the Court to reverse. Justice Thomas joined a decision reversing.
U.S. v. American Library Ass’n, Inc.: The lower court struck down a federal law requiring many public libraries to use filtering software that prevents web browsers from showing some pornographic material. CCI asked the Court to reverse. Justice Thomas joined a plurality opinion reversing.
Devenpeck v. Alford: The lower court held an arrest unconstitutional. CCI asked the Court to reverse. Justice Thomas joined an opinion reversing.
To be clear, there is no direct evidence that Crow lavished gifts on Thomas in order to switch his vote in any of these cases. But Thomas’ refusal to turn away Crow’s gifts remains a severe blow to the integrity of the judiciary. The losing parties in each of these cases has a right to be confident that their cases were decided solely on the merits, and Thomas’ relationship with Crow strikes directly at that confidence.





Do we ever hear of white people calling the white justices sell outs for upholding the law of the land? We are a nation of laws. A Republic not a democracy. This is why most blacks will ALWAYS BE CONSUMERS AND NOT PRODUCERS!!! So is he suppose to make decisions that would forever make our race a permanent underclass??? This way of thinking is why there will always be a gap in education and earnings.

What I hear them saying is he (and Scalia and Roberts and Alito) are hypocrites and are the very activists that "conservatives" decry.

So I guess there are no liberal appointed justices. Come on Dave. Yes there are conservative justices just like liberal ones.

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I've not said differently. In fact, I would prefer Democrats selected even harder Left judges to balance out the very hard Right judges.
It's not and is never a matter of Right and Left for me but consistency, honesty, and integrity.
Still, even with Gunner jumping in, I wait for someone to actually defend Thomas and his behavior.
 

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Where did you hear this or this something you made up? I'm just going to skip over the foolishness about rappers since they get criticized all the time by "our people".
One of the main reasons to be against someone is their thoughts if you disagree with those thoughts. Thomas' actions are reprehensible enough. He benefitted from affirmative action policies and now wants them dismantled. Even more egregious is his lack of scruples or ethics, for example

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/06/23/251092/thomas-hearts-crow/
Second Harlan Crow Connected Group Has A Perfect Litigation Record Before Justice Thomas
By Ian Millhiser on Jun 23, 2011 at 9:50 am


Justice Clarence Thomas and Real Estate Mogul Harlan Crow
Real estate magnate Harlan Crow has been very good to Justice Clarence Thomas, lavishing gifts and other favors on Thomas and his family. Crow provided $500,000 to allow Thomas’ wife to start a Tea Party group, and he once gave Thomas a $19,000 Bible that belonged to Frederick Douglass. He also served on the board of a corporate-aligned think tank called the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), which once gave Thomas a $15,000 gift.

As ThinkProgress reported earlier this week, AEI filed at least three briefs in the Supreme Court after giving Thomas this very expensive gift, and Thomas either sided with AEI or took a position that was much more extreme that AEI’s in all three of these cases. ThinkProgress has now learned that a second Harlan Crow-affiliated group, the Center for the Community Interest, has a perfect record in front of Justice Thomas.

Crow served on CCI’s board alongside failed Bush judicial nominee Miguel Estrada. Westlaw’s database of Supreme Court briefs reveals eight briefs filed by CCI in eight different Supreme Court cases, and Justice Thomas voted for CCI’s preferred outcome in every single one of these cases:

City of Chicago v. Morales: The lower court struck down a law “making it illegal for members of criminal gangs to loiter and fail to obey an order to disperse.” CCI asked the Court to reverse that decision, and Justice Thomas wrote a dissent saying that he would reverse.
Pennsylvania Bd. of Probation and Parole v. Scott: The lower court struck down a parole board’s warrantless search of a parolee’s residence. CCI asked the Court to reverse that decision, and Justice Thomas wrote the 5-4 decision reversing.
Dickerson v. U.S.: The lower court upheld a statute cutting at the core of accused defendant’s Miranda rights. CCI asked the Court to affirm this decision. Justice Thomas joined a dissent which would have affirmed.
U.S. v. Knights: The lower court struck down the warrantless search of a probationer’s residence. CCI asked the Court to reverse. Justice Thomas joined a decision reversing.
U.S. Dept. of Housing & Urban Development v. Rucker: The lower court ruled in favor of public housing tenants who were evicted because their resident family members or caregivers violated drug laws. CCI asked the Court to reverse. Justice Thomas joined a decision reversing.
Connecticut Dept. of Public Safety v. Doe: The lower court struck down a law requiring public disclosure of registered sex offenders. CCI asked the Court to reverse. Justice Thomas joined a decision reversing.
U.S. v. American Library Ass’n, Inc.: The lower court struck down a federal law requiring many public libraries to use filtering software that prevents web browsers from showing some pornographic material. CCI asked the Court to reverse. Justice Thomas joined a plurality opinion reversing.
Devenpeck v. Alford: The lower court held an arrest unconstitutional. CCI asked the Court to reverse. Justice Thomas joined an opinion reversing.
To be clear, there is no direct evidence that Crow lavished gifts on Thomas in order to switch his vote in any of these cases. But Thomas’ refusal to turn away Crow’s gifts remains a severe blow to the integrity of the judiciary. The losing parties in each of these cases has a right to be confident that their cases were decided solely on the merits, and Thomas’ relationship with Crow strikes directly at that confidence.







What I hear them saying is he (and Scalia and Roberts and Alito) are hypocrites and are the very activists that "conservatives" decry.



I've not said differently. In fact, I would prefer Democrats selected even harder Left judges to balance out the very hard Right judges.
It's not and is never a matter of Right and Left for me but consistency, honesty, and integrity.
Still, even with Gunner jumping in, I wait for someone to actually defend Thomas and his behavior.

I hate to switch the subject. But how is it so easy to be johnny on the spot in regards to any right ringer, yet deny anything from the left. You're quick to find anything that puts him in a bad light. Bill Ayers anyone? If Thomas broke laws he should be dealt with according to the law. What about all of Obama's shady dealings that to this day you deny. Ask yourself, Has he been arrested, Has any charges been filed. Ok see ya later. See the problem with you guys is that you take a chance(50/50 give or take how the country is split) on your policies at the ballot box, which is why you look to the courts and liberal politicians to assist you. You guys are so transparent. One man doesn't stop the show. Their are others who agree with him. You single out one man because of his thoughts. To me democrats suck no matter the race. I don't pick out one in particular just because we share the same skin color.
 

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As much as I love/miss Curry and EMERGE Magazine, he as well as others really need to get over Clarence Thomas. All these attacks for almost two decades have made Curry come off as Thomas' Little Bitch.

Thomas is a NEO-CONSERVATIVE!!!
Get over it.

Thomas' judicial voting records don't mean SHIT in the end if Black people can't even bring themselves to even vote at simplest of local levels to have their local/state politicians implement laws.
Uncle Thomas is more than a "neo-conservative", he's a hypocritical Judas. And no I will never get over this judicial lightweight occupying a chair once held by a real jurist named Thurgood Marshall.
 

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I officially apologize for using inappropriate language and calling people names on the board. I just get heated sometimes. I was a kid when Thomas got nominated and I didn't know i wasnt supposed to be "proud" that another black man got on the supreme court. I didn't find out till a couple of years ago how much people hate him just cause of his politics. At the time all politics seemed the same to me. But I will enlighten my discusion and clean up my language going forward.


Like President Obama has not been skewered for his politics and racially targeted. It's not that people don't like Thomas for being Black, people don't like him for what he does.
 
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