This is actually how they view the world!
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A Republican's View of History
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Hilarius
Pretty sure no republican see's history that way. That was supposed to be humorous FYI. I'm guessing this is all receding to Mrs bachman saying the founders faught against slavery(paraphrasing). Most of the founders were against slavery. Even some on the south. They set in motion political timebombs that killed the institution. And it was an institution. England hadn't even gotten rid of it at the time of the founding, and at the founding some states declared they were slave free. I could get more into the history here but this is like throwing pearls before swine. You guys despise the history of this country and nothing can change that. You are also willing to throw away your individual liberties for a little bit of security (single payer, gvt. Jobs, welfare, etc). Good luck with that. Im tired of internet flame warring over politics. I'm going to take care of myself, fight against the communist tide in real life (not over the intrwebs), and promote individual liberty. And enjoy some porn in the meantime. Enjoy the community farms(forced starvation), free healthcare(rationed pain pills) and government jobs(that actually covers the first two as well, but it also means do-nothing wastes-of-time).
George Washington owned more than 200 slaves .
Thomas Jefferson owned more than 100 slaves.
James Madison owned and sold slaves all his life.
Although Benjamin Franklin became an abolitionist at the later part of his life he owned two slaves.
No evidence that Alexander Hamiltonowned slaves, butsupported the compromise by which the United States couldn't abolish the slave trade for twenty years.
John Adams owed no slaves but spoke out in 1777 against a bill to emancipate slaves in Massachusetts.
“Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize itself into an undercover dictatorship. To restrict the art of healing to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others will constitute the Bastille of medical science. All such laws are un-American and despotic.” - Benjamin Rush, Revolutionary war hero, physician, and signer of the Declaration of Independence.
Boy are you living in a past time paradise. Read much?
typical...
Re: A Republican's View of History
. . you're agreeing with T.O., for a change
this is a TYPICAL t.o. post...
Thats what I meant...
..and your responce was typical!
LOL. Thats what I thought; but I wanted to be sure you're on your toes and paying attention !!!
and not sleeping on that other thread.
Dude...please....
yes there were founding fathers who were against slavery, some very strongly...but there were many who outright owned slaves (some while professing a hatred of the institution) and others who were more concerned about limited government and hurting the agricultural states to want to rock the boat too much. They fought tirelessly to get out from under the British...but they, as a group didn't put that kind of energy into ending slavery, although some did work towards it.
...and as for telling us how we feel about our liberties...please don't do that.
Oh...I see....you're the same dude always calling people idiots and commies because they're not conservative. Ugh...
yes there were founding fathers who were against slavery, some very strongly...but there were many who outright owned slaves (some while professing a hatred of the institution) and others who were more concerned about limited government and hurting the agricultural states to want to rock the boat too much. They fought tirelessly to get out from under the British...but they, as a group didn't put that kind of energy into ending slavery, although some did work towards it.
...and as for telling us how we feel about our liberties...please don't do that.
Oh...I see....you're the same dude always calling people idiots and commies because they're not conservative. Ugh...
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Do you disagree with me 100% ?
The slavery issue is pretty damning.
Make no mistake, I've read before how Washington and others didn't think slavery was going to work in the society they were creating, but it was not a human rights issue to them. It was an commerce issue, your workforce must be motivated to do a good job.
But no, they didn't free their slaves, and even chased them down when they fled. Which shows you how politicians were hypocrites, even back then.
Make no mistake, I've read before how Washington and others didn't think slavery was going to work in the society they were creating, but it was not a human rights issue to them. It was an commerce issue, your workforce must be motivated to do a good job.
But no, they didn't free their slaves, and even chased them down when they fled. Which shows you how politicians were hypocrites, even back then.
As a black man, it hurts me to say this, but slavery *during that time* was a necessary evil. This is what made the founding fathers pass up the opportunity to abolish slavery. They were force into an unwinnible situation. Abolish slavery, England makes allies in the south. Keep slavery, keep the south, and deal with the slavery issue later. The latter would paint them as racists by people NOT understanding the situation.
Folks like Thoughtone only uses this for a political edge. Which is sad, and sick. Thoughtone do/can not forgive the atrocities of the past. This is why he always tries to attack the ones who threaten his sensibilities. A typical weak display of a black person. Too bad he is the loudest on this board....
Typical...
With thought like this, perhaps, his being the so-called loudest, is a badge of honor most deserved.
QueEx
Just laughable.
"rationed pain pills", like that's not exactly what we have right now.
I told him in another thread that his beliefs are often contrary to facts, history, and math and he proves it again and again.
I can't believe he went the "communist" route. Who does that in 2011?
Selective amnesia. 
To what point is he trying to make. We all know the situation the founding fathers were in. Put yourself in their shoes. Lets say Egypt was running us, and the only way to keep us united is to keep enslaving white folks because some of us think it's ok to enslave other races. Do you stand against something that would divide your support, or you setup a document that would contradict the norm in decades to come.
IMO, they did what they had to do in the situation they were in. As much as it hurts me, I think we all have to forgive them. I think that's one of the top things that's holding our race back.
Really? You really think the masses of Black people are sitting around thinking about old, dead White men? This only crossed most of our minds on July 4th and when someone brings it up. Then the moment is passed and we go back to our daily existence.
Leaving aside whatever his point might be, the statement that "slavery *during that time* was a necessary evil" is, in my mind, simply assinine! To put it quite simply, if those enslaved would have agreed with you, they would have volunteered for the all that was meted out to them by the low-life bastards whom you now faithfully defend. Not only did they not volunteer to be enslaved, they actively, willfully, courageously and often to their demise - tried to escape their bondage. You sir, may need to consider escaping yours.
Peace,
QueEx
Check it out!
QueEx using logic to destroy a weak argument.
Unfortunately, I already know what the response will be (if there is one).
And you are ignorant of it all, just like Bachman and Palin. Damn, the Texas educational system is truly fucked up!
Didn't you misspelled response?
No it's not. It's history but not ancient. Julius Caesar is ancient history. All the talk of "founding fathers" is relatively recent American history that people still draw on and, at times, misrepresent.
Just laughable.
"rationed pain pills", like that's not exactly what we have right now.
I told him in another thread that his beliefs are often contrary to facts, history, and math and he proves it again and again.
I can't believe he went the "communist" route. Who does that in 2011?
The point is your not damned to have just take a rationed pain pill like you would be if you lock down the healthcare market.
I am assuming you are talking about me When you said his beliefs? You say they are contrary to facts, history, and math, but I never see your facts history or Math. I study history, math (I have Math up to the graduate level have a masters degree in Info Science, and computer science minoring in statistics and physics... ie I am NOT on gubment handouts) and on message boards facts are "flexible".
Fact!
2+2=4
Fact!
The Soviet Union Failed
Your opinion!
Obama is a good president
Your opinion!
Republicans are Racists
Your opinion!
Markets don't work and therefore we need to "hire" (more like be subjugated to) pointed-hatted, all-knowing, geniosus who can plan a 14trillion dollar economy down to what lightbulbs to produce (though they may be poisonous).
Your opinion!
The socialists want to take away the means of production from the rich (which in your mind means "white people"- I suspect of course) and distribute the proceeds between the rest of us fairly?
Here are my opinions (based on how I know people really act and how Socialism/Communism has worked throughout the world)!
1) Socialists will establish a political class like they always do and that class, which will be very hard to get into btw, will have all the power, get all the bitches and money, the rest of will end of at worst scraping around starving to death, or at best be reclined to a life of perpetual adolescence like in Europe. Never working to improve your own life and situation but always relying on our government overlords to give us our daily bread... "Yip skippie, sounds like fun"~Upgrade Dave
My opinion, living like that is pointless and depressing. I would much rather work hard and earn my way in this world... But that's just my opinion...
2) Obama is a lousy president who will lead us down that road AT BEST, at worst the currency will hyperinflate, the country will disolve and break up into smaller weaker countries susceptable to attack/annexation from other basket-case nations/regimes (Venezuela, PRC, Canada wouldn't be too bad-they've gone conservatively recently)
3) Democrats and Republics can be racists... It has nothing to do with there policies however, it has do with how they feel about black people. If black people embrace self-reliance and upward mobility they too will be the rich-gettin-richer...
4) If you want to stop being part of the poor-gettin-poorer, get the fuck off welfare, educate your kids with real-world skills not community organizing bs... Again, just an opinion, I don't have the cold hard stats to back it up.
You have zero facts bruh, just your opinions based of your biases. I have opinions based off my biases based off my experience in the real world getting skills and pulling myself out of poverty. I am not smarter than anyone I know, infact, I might be the least intellectually gifted of all the people I know. I just learned at a real early age, that I better get my shit in order first... then everything else will fall into place...
Enjoy your brave new world.
Seems like the only way people need to represent our founding is to talk about the atrocities instead of the accomplishments.
I wish more people would actually talk to ethic Africans, and listen at how they view African Americans.
It's very convenient to forget how our ancestors became slaves in the first place.
Everyone wants to focus on how this country is built off murder, and social injustices. I ask you this. What purpose does this serves really?
To prove that this country is just down right wrong in its existence? To prove that we need to have NO countries, but a world with out borders?
If that's your answer, do you think NO atrocities would come from that?
A world without borders would probably push a "no religion" mandate. Most of our community would go against that. Who do you think they will exterminate? Think about it...
most of them were slave owners.
dayum. even on bgol we have u crazy tea party history revisionists on deck
In 1784, five years before he became president of the United States, George Washington, 52, was nearly toothless. So he hired a dentist to transplant nine teeth into his jaw--having extracted them from the mouths of his slaves.
That's a far different image from the cherry-tree-chopping George most people remember from their history books. But recently, many historians have begun to focus on the role slavery played in the lives of the founding generation. They have been spurred in part by DNA evidence made available in 1998, which almost certainly proved Thomas Jefferson had fathered at least one child with his slave Sally Hemings. And only over the past 30 years have scholars examined history from the bottom up. Works by Gore Vidal, Henry Wiencek, and Garry Wills reveal the moral compromises made by the nation's early leaders and the fragile nature of the country's infancy. More significant, they argue that many of the Founding Fathers knew slavery was wrong--and yet most did little to fight it.
More than anything, the historians say, the founders were hampered by the culture of their time. While Washington and Jefferson privately expressed distaste for slavery (Jefferson once called it an "execrable commerce"), they also understood that it was part of the political and economic bedrock of the country they helped to create.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/culture/articles/040112/12slave.htm
most of them were slave owners.
dayum. even on bgol we have u crazy tea party history revisionists on deck
In 1784, five years before he became president of the United States, George Washington, 52, was nearly toothless. So he hired a dentist to transplant nine teeth into his jaw--having extracted them from the mouths of his slaves.
That's a far different image from the cherry-tree-chopping George most people remember from their history books. But recently, many historians have begun to focus on the role slavery played in the lives of the founding generation. They have been spurred in part by DNA evidence made available in 1998, which almost certainly proved Thomas Jefferson had fathered at least one child with his slave Sally Hemings. And only over the past 30 years have scholars examined history from the bottom up. Works by Gore Vidal, Henry Wiencek, and Garry Wills reveal the moral compromises made by the nation's early leaders and the fragile nature of the country's infancy. More significant, they argue that many of the Founding Fathers knew slavery was wrong--and yet most did little to fight it.
More than anything, the historians say, the founders were hampered by the culture of their time. While Washington and Jefferson privately expressed distaste for slavery (Jefferson once called it an "execrable commerce"), they also understood that it was part of the political and economic bedrock of the country they helped to create.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/culture/articles/040112/12slave.htm
And black people own slaves too. What's the overall point?
Do I have to go back and list all of your typographical errors? Your knowledge of history is abysmal. This explains your extremely flawed views.