Your connected car may be telling your insurance company about your driving habits

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Automakers like General Motors (GM) are sharing customers' detailed driving behavior data with insurance companies, a practice that can lead to higher premiums for some drivers. According to a report in The New York Times today, the practice is fueling concerns over privacy and consent in the IoT world.


The Times report focused on the experience of Kenn Dahl, a driver who saw his car insurance rates jump by 21%, seemingly out of the blue. When Dahl decided to shop around with other insurance companies, he found competing quotes to be just as high. One agent explained that this was due to his LexisNexis report.

When Dahl requested a copy of that report, LexisNexis sent him a 258-page document that included every single trip he or his wife drove in their Chevy Bolt during the preceding six months. The report included a total of 640 trips, complete with dates, start and end times, distances driven, and comprehensive data on driving habits, like speeding, hard braking, and rapid accelerations.


Insurance firms will use this data from LexisNexis -- a global provider of legal and business information and analytics -- to personalize insurance rates for drivers. Anyone can download their own Consumer Disclosure Report online, in compliance with the Fair Credit Reporting Act.

Many insurance companies offer "safe driving" discounts, giving those who maintain a clean driving record a better rate. Some even offer devices installed in your car or location tracking through mobile apps to track your driving habits and watch for signs of safe driving, including steady acceleration, gentle braking, and observing speed limits.


But these discount programs -- like Progressive's Snapshot, Allstate's Drivewise, and Geico's DriveEasy -- are ones that drivers enter willingly and knowingly.

I bet you've never bought a car and been told plainly that the automaker will be able to track and see how you drive, down to the minute, and that insurance companies can use this data to adjust your rates.

LexisNexis gathers this data from connected cars with the customer's permission; the problem is that this consent is often buried in fine print or obtained indirectly without clear disclosure. On top of facing higher insurance premiums, drivers can feel surveilled and, consequently, lose trust in car makers.

Connected cars are equipped with internet connectivity and the ability to collect and transmit data, and many of the vehicle models from recent years fall into this category (See what data your vehicle can collect here). Vehicles enrolled in telematics programs, like GM's OnStar, HondaLink, and Hyundai's Blue Link, can also collect driver behavior data that can be shared with LexisNexis.

According to The Times, GM, Kia, Subaru, and Mitsubishi contribute to LexisNexis' "Telematics Exchange," which has gathered real-world driving behavior from more than 10 million vehicles as of 2022.
 
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And your Cell Phone is monitored by the Government.

Don’t believe me…make a threat towards POTUS on your phone and within 72 hours these mofos will be kicking in your front door.

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My homie Yosh told me not to plug in the Progressive obd tool that promises to help with my insurance. He said because I drive on a highway and keeping up with traffic means breaking the speed limit, the computer would see that and think I'm a reckless driver.
Dayum, I got one from All State. I gotta 850i and drive 80-100mph often. Drove 106mph today. But shit, the insurance payments are a lot higher on a regular policy.
 
So you cannot get into an accident for years but drive Wild and you get higher Insurance because of it? I speed with traffic. I don't go Fast and the Furious, but I'm not driving like a fucking grandma either. This is bullshit. I haven't gotten to an accident since 2017
 
My homie Yosh told me not to plug in the Progressive obd tool that promises to help with my insurance. He said because I drive on a highway and keeping up with traffic means breaking the speed limit, the computer would see that and think I'm a reckless driver.
It really took your homie telling you for you to know this? I knew that shit was a trap, as soon as I heard about it.
 
Folks need to realize that if you’re connected to ANYTHING internet related, your data is being collected and sold.

This doesn’t surprise me at all. We gave our privacy away the moment we connected to the internet. That’s any third party wireless connection where data can be transfered.
 
Lol OP said.. May Be... HA..

You are aB so fuckin lutely being mined for data..

If you riding anything with a computer chip internet service and voice activation..

Them ring cameras and smart homes are data mining gold mines..

China pays big bucks for data!!
 
And your Cell Phone is monitored by the Government.

Don’t believe me…make a threat towards POTUS on your phone and within 72 hours these mofos will be kicking in your front door.

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The Biden administration was monitoring text messages during covid to see if anyone was talking bad about the vaccine too.
 
I drive like a grandma on a sunday afternoon what can I get for that?discount?coupons? probably nothing.
I remember when I was with Allstate, they asked me about signing up for their "drive safe" program where they claim you can get discounts based on how the tracker reports your driving habits. The shit they described as "problematic" was interesting. The kicker was I would be docked every time I drove home from work, because I would be driving turning the "accident hours" from midnight to 4 . Since I got off at midnight, I asked her that in order to comply with this thing I got to leave work 4 hours later? I was like get the fuck out of here.

However, if you feel your driving is as safe as you claim, (NEVER SPEED, no hard braking, etc), you can sign up for one of those trackers and can supposedly get some discounts on your insurance. Just know they will try to dock you for everything and everything will be on record.
 
My homie Yosh told me not to plug in the Progressive obd tool that promises to help with my insurance. He said because I drive on a highway and keeping up with traffic means breaking the speed limit, the computer would see that and think I'm a reckless driver.
I could see that. Had 1 for a while thru my insurance and it would hit me daily for hard/sudden stop going to work but the way the freeway exit was setup it was just me breaking from getting off the freeway
 
This is happening in many other areas as well. Our data privacy has gone to shit. it's very much like the ncaa was treating players before - you don't own the rights to your Name, Image, and Likeness. These data brokers and companies we're almost destined to use are telling us you don't own the rights to your data and we're gonna sell it off to whoever we want - data brokers - then take it and resell to other companies who want to know as much about you to sell exactly what you're thinking or thought about and/or talked about to you and yours. Just like when we all found it odd that ads of what we just talked about were popping up in our browsers.
 
I drive like a grandma on a sunday afternoon what can I get for that?discount?coupons? probably nothing.
lol I drive like an old man myself, because I am old. Allstate has a SafeDriving discount, you just have to turn it on in the app. Saved me $38 on my last bill.
 
Your phone does...

If you have an app for your car insurance it most definitely reports back to that company... I get messages weekly that tell me about my phone usage and how much time was spent on my phone while driving
 
Folks need to realize that if you’re connected to ANYTHING internet related, your data is being collected and sold.

This doesn’t surprise me at all. We gave our privacy away the moment we connected to the internet. That’s any third party wireless connection where data can be transfered.
One quibble: I don’t think most Americans know about this privacy arrangement and if they did, they wouldn’t allow it.

After typing it out, I realized I might be way off base. Americans will sign up for anything.
 
Wow: “G.M. confirmed that it shares “select insights” about hard braking, hard accelerating, speeding over 80 miles an hour and drive time of Smart Driver enrollees with LexisNexis and another data broker” Users were opted-in by dealership employees




If this is the case with my
F-150 Lightning, I'm fucked!

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Your phone does...

If you have an app for your car insurance it most definitely reports back to that company... I get messages weekly that tell me about my phone usage and how much time was spent on my phone while driving
I was just about to ask. You think the phone apps that replaced insurance card do the same shit... Would explain why my shit goes up every 6 months. Legit haven't had 1 fuckin claim in......... 24 years at this point!!! A few speeding tickets in my 20s but that really is it......... Unless they can see how the sausage gets made... :lol:
 
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