WTF happened to good R&B artists? They must have said fuck making CDs because of bootleggers!

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I was listening to some old CDs fron the 90s and around 2000 and artists were dropping some tight music back then.

But now, it seems that no good artists are dropping CDs like they used to!

I'm thinking that the creation of the CD burner and the internet fucked their paydays up so badly that they must have said "Fuck making good music just to let these bottom feeding bootleggers make money on my shit!" :dunno:

Now, it's just a bunch of bullshit being released.

It looks like we will NEVER get back to the days when every couple weeks, another one of your favorite artists drops a killer CD. :smh:


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Yeah, those days are long gone bruh. I don't think traditional R & B artists bother with new shit anymore. They can't make money off of it anyway. They may as well take a page from the Frankie Beverly play book and just tour on the old songs that made them famous in the first place. Its the only way they can get paid these days.
 
There's a bunch of great new R&B being made and released. Much of it is not being promoted nor played on mainstream R&B radio stations. Some of your favorite old-school artists still make records and there are a lot of newer folks putting it down too.

There are no longer DJ's creating playlists based in part on what the listening audience wants to hear. Now there are on-air personalities who are given playlists by their bosses within the monopolized corporate radio station structure.

A lot of great new R&B music would nowadays be classified as Neo-Soul. And some years ago, when MTV was hot, someone decided to relegate that Neo-Soul over to VH1 - which effectively removed it from the realm of mainstream R&B and turned it into a sub-genre. Some foul shit, if you ask me.

Now, it's up to us to use net resources to seek out the good stuff. Services like Spotify are a good starting point.
 
The days of a classic album or body of work are officially over and if it does happen it is more likely to come about via the internet and the artist will do what they used to do,tour,like it was the 1940's chitlins circuit,but,there is a but the artist will have to continue to put out decent stuff every couple of months because these fans don't hold on to much for long.Fast money,fast food,fast cars,fast ass, and faster appreciation for music and artist.

Frankie B and Maze,groups like them,there won't be any more groups like them that can tour year round for the last 40+ years(maybe?)never win a grammy,hardly get's mentioned,but we know their material;They aren't the bacon,they aren' t the eggs,they are the grits with cheese that stick no matter who's cooking em.

To last you will have to be multi talented and be good at a lot of things,singing,acting,dancing,rapping,fighting,online,offline,fashion,....you have to be Chris Brown or at the least Omarion(B2K)
 
Yeah, those days are long gone bruh. I don't think traditional R & B artists bother with new shit anymore. They can't make money off of it anyway. They may as well take a page from the Frankie Beverly play book and just tour on the old songs that made them famous in the first place. Its the only way they can get paid these days.
Man, that can't be the case; at least i hope not... @ViCiouS and @playahaitian please elaborate on the above mentioned post
 
The below article is from Atlanta Black Star, not me

8 Reasons Why R&B Has Died in the Black Community

http://atlantablackstar.com/2015/01/20/8-reasons-why-rb-has-died-in-the-black-community/8/

One of the Black community’s greatest gifts to the world is an astounding list of genres and artists who have changed the way we all listen to music. Without genres like the blues, jazz, rock ‘n’ roll, rhythm and blues, Afrobeat, calypso, reggae, roots music, rap and hip-hop, The western world might still be doing the waltz. But there has been a significant drop in the popularity and influence of R&B over the last several decades. Where R&B artists used to be chart-toppers, now they are virtually invisible on the charts as their record sales have plunged. They no longer even have much of a presence on Black radio. So what happened to this previously dominant musical genre?

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The Whitewash

Some of the most successful R&B artists now are white — names like Justin Timberlake, Adele, Robin Thicke. In 2013, Billboard‘s Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart was topped by a white artist 44 out of 52 weeks — including 37 straight weeks, January to October, where it was topped by either hip-hop duo Macklemore & Ryan Lewis or Thicke. These artists are allowed to explore actual R&B music, producing lush tracks filled with musicality that evoke a previous era of R&B music. So Timberlake’s enormous success, while perhaps well-deserved, inherently speaks to the limitations and pressures placed on Black artists in comparison to the artistic freedom granted to white artists. It forces us to question whether Timberlake, if he was Black, would be given the latitude to explore pop, funk, rock, soul and R&B, all while blending retro elements with futuristic sounds, or if he would be pressured by label bosses to conform to the same watered-down, generic pop standard so many one-time R&B artists now call home because “that’s what listeners want.” By comparison, consider that in the Billboard issue dated Nov. 23, 1963, when Black artists were still struggling to break out of being viewed as “race” music, just under half of the Top 10 on the Hot R&B Singles chart were white acts.

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Too Much Focus on Physical Attributes, Not Enough on Talent

There was a time when R&B singers were elevated and celebrated because of their talent and not their looks. It would be disrespectful to name fabulous singers of the past as examples, but one who has been called the “Queen of Soul” might be a prime example. The quality of the music, of the voices, was paramount back then. But those days are long gone. Today, there are too many R&B artists who are eye candy with not much talent or average talent, and the truly talented artists are not signed or promoted because of the way they look. The record-buying public notices such superficiality — and stops feeling compelled to buy the music.


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Producer-Focused

The talented, powerful R&B producers of yesteryear would identify talent, hone it, enhance it. Names like Norman Whitfield, Quincy Jones, Leon Sylvers, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, LA Reid and Babyface, and Teddy Riley reigned supreme. But somewhere in the late ’80s and early ’90s, R&B began to focus the bulk of its attention on the producers, to the detriment of the artists. Artists wanted to work with the “in” producer at the time. As a result, R&B music started to sound the same. No matter who was singing, songs could be quickly identified because of the producer’s sound. Earth, Wind and Fire songs sound like Earth, Wind and Fire songs. They did not sound like the Gap Band. They each had their inimitable styles that could not be duplicated by others. But the genre has been taken over by an overwhelming sameness.


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Too Much Sex

A five-minute trip through the radio dial — if you can actually find Black R&B artists on the radio — shows just how incredibly hypersexual the music and lyrics have become. Usher, Trey Songz, Chris Brown — they seem to spend nearly all their time singing about how hard and how often they’re going to hit it. And little else. While there was sexual content in R&B music between the ’60s and ’80s, it was much more clever, more disguised, less explicit. There were love songs, but they spoke on the many aspects of love. Today’s R&B music is so overladen with sexual themes, adults are embarrassed to listen with even teenagers in the car. In such an environment, a plunge in sales was inevitable.​


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Artists Too Limited

One has to wonder why mainstream Black music, once rich with R&B that promoted love, tenderness and substance, now includes one of two types of songs: vapid pop numbers by artists who sound more like robots than real people and commercial rap tracks that glorify violence, materialism and misogyny. It’s hard not to conclude that this shift in style, one that minimized music of positivity and substance, was orchestrated by record label and radio executives in an effort to reshape the sound of Black music, and perhaps the perception of Black people.


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Nobody Is Buying Music Anymore

As most people know, there has been a startling plunge in the number of albums sold compared to previous years. This phenomenon has pulled down every genre; R&B has been hit especially hard, as has hip-hop. Hip-hop albums sold 24.1 percent less in 2014 than they did in 2013, and CD sales saw a 29.6 percent decline. Digital sales also took a serious hit and dropped more than 20 percent since 2013.​



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R&B and Hip-Hop Have Coalesced Into a Single Genre

While the two genres were long independent styles, each with their own unique sound and melody that explored and discussed different subject matters, today’s hip-hop and R&B are practically the same genre. Almost every R&B track has a rap verse and many rappers have incorporated singing into their style. The once romantic, sentimental ballads of yesteryear’s R&B have been replaced by club-styled tracks that are nearly indistinguishable from hip-hop.​



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Computerized Production

Between the 1960s and ’80s, the R&B genre had a plethora of bands like Earth, Wind and Fire, Sly and the Family Stone, Rose Royce, Parliament, Funkadelic and the Gap Band, just to name a few. All of these acts made their own music with live instruments. The last true band in R&B history was the ’90s band Mint Condition. Since then, virtually all instruments played on albums now are digitized. In fact, there are probably more pop acts using live instruments today than there are R&B acts. There are also more pop bands these days than R&B bands, which have disappeared from mainstream music. How can the genre even call itself R&B without real bands?​
 
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OK let me set the record straight.
THERE ARE TONS OF BLACK and People Of Color R&B ARTISTS OUT THERE.
They do not receive the push white r&b artists do period
Here is a list
1st album of the year last year actually went to Mindgsn imo- You can't listen to it and not be transported period


In order of 2016 release to 2017 release the must hear r&b albums of the year are as follows
Abra- Princess
Angel -Her
DVSN

Eli Sostre- Still Up All Night
Ella Mai- Change
Frank Ocean- Blonde/Endless
Solange
Roy Woods
Milla J
Tinashe
Syd

Go enrich your lives
You're Welcome
 
Good R&B, good music in general, is still being made. You just gotta LOOK for the kind of stuff you like.

It's the old-fashioned way - digging thru the crates. Except it's free and can be done from home.

Just hop on the internet, put on some headphones and open your mind.

Try a random song. Find one you like. Listen to more songs from that artist. Get their latest album. Get all their albums. See who produces their albums. see who else they produce for, and look for those people. See who collaborates with that artist, check out their albums, see if you like them, too. Buy their shit, see their shows, tell your friends about them.

Now I'm not going to do like LBOP and post a bunch of shit and act like you ain't shit if you don't like it :lol: (I listen to some of that shit, too) - but at the end of the day, it's different strokes for different folks.

For example:

personally- I can't qualify anything autotune on lead vocals as good R&B

gimme that Philly sound - and anyone that is in the lane of Robert Glasper etc...

Glasper does a lot of collabos on the Black Radio albums, have you checked out ALL the people on those albums?
 
Good R&B, good music in general, is still being made. You just gotta LOOK for the kind of stuff you like.

It's the old-fashioned way - digging thru the crates. Except it's free and can be done from home.

Just hop on the internet, put on some headphones and open your mind.

Try a random song. Find one you like. Listen to more songs from that artist. Get their latest album. Get all their albums. See who produces their albums. see who else they produce for, and look for those people. See who collaborates with that artist, check out their albums, see if you like them, too. Buy their shit, see their shows, tell your friends about them.

Now I'm not going to do like LBOP and post a bunch of shit and act like you ain't shit if you don't like it :lol: (I listen to some of that shit, too) - but at the end of the day, it's different strokes for different folks.

For example:



Glasper does a lot of collabos on the Black Radio albums, have you checked out ALL the people on those albums?

It's not that you ain't shit if you don't like it. It's just different choices. That's why I posted the ones I did. None of those people sound alike they're all unique and you can find a flavor within some of them.
Which is the point.
People think oh all black artists want to do is trap and i just posted 9 different types of different types of r%b that was released last year and this year and it didn't take me 5 minutes to do it.

white r&b is pushed and acceptable
bj the chicago kid been sounding like marvin gaye for the past 5 years and he ain't get no shine at all
 
Good R&B, good music in general, is still being made. You just gotta LOOK for the kind of stuff you like.

It's the old-fashioned way - digging thru the crates. Except it's free and can be done from home.

Just hop on the internet, put on some headphones and open your mind.

Try a random song. Find one you like. Listen to more songs from that artist. Get their latest album. Get all their albums. See who produces their albums. see who else they produce for, and look for those people. See who collaborates with that artist, check out their albums, see if you like them, too. Buy their shit, see their shows, tell your friends about them.

Now I'm not going to do like LBOP and post a bunch of shit and act like you ain't shit if you don't like it :lol: (I listen to some of that shit, too) - but at the end of the day, it's different strokes for different folks.

For example:



Glasper does a lot of collabos on the Black Radio albums, have you checked out ALL the people on those albums?
yes...
its crazy how much good music is being created but not promoted

Radio is dead - streaming is the new radio - but it also further fragments musical genres into extreme niches
not sure there is a future for true Pop or Top40 music... almost impossible to have a crossover hit like there were in 70s 80s and lesser extent 90s where a popular jazz or urban song could break top 40
 
Can anyone point me in the direction of some good
signing R&B groups? I never liked the neo-soul sound I'm more into the New Edition, Jodeci, Silk, Dru Hill style of harmonizing.
 

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R&B and Hip-Hop Have Coalesced Into a Single Genre


While the two genres were long independent styles, each with their own unique sound and melody that explored and discussed different subject matters, today’s hip-hop and R&B are practically the same genre. Almost every R&B track has a rap verse and many rappers have incorporated singing into their style. The once romantic, sentimental ballads of yesteryear’s R&B have been replaced by club-styled tracks that are nearly indistinguishable from hip-hop.​

imo this is the number 1 reason
too many RnB cats wanna be rappers and conversely too many rappers dipping their toes in singing

when its all said and done R&B music suffers.
 
We've had a wave of 80s and 90s nostalgia since about 2008/2009 and it's funny that 90s R&B is one of the most missed things about 1990s.
 
you know whats fucked up...Bruno Mars is probably putting out the purest old school RnB in the game right now
my wife asked for his CD for Valentine's Day
go figure

he isn't though
im going to tell you straight up and this is going to make people mad
but
when i heard his hit single i thought damn ray j came with it this time!
then someone said that's bruno mars..
i said
wow ok
 
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