WTF? Draft: Are they really sleeping on Chris Leak?

[lmuggsy]

Not drafted yet....

I know he only about 5'11 - 6'

But this cat never had a losing season, one a freaking national championship, and was Florida's best ever QB. ALL while not under Steve Spurrier's system.

Shit the Bears can use him. They got all that faith in Grossman.

 

[Mt. Yukon]

Not drafted yet....

I know he only about 5'11 - 6'

But this cat never had a losing season, one a freaking national championship, and was Florida's best ever QB. ALL while not under Steve Spurrier's system.

Shit the Bears can use him. They got all that faith in Grossman.

Yeah just what we need, another undersized, overrated Florida QB. Ill take Troy Smith over leak anyday. Dont get me wrong, I love Rex now, but when he came out of Florida I hated his ass and thought hed be another Cade Mcnown, which Leak also reminds me of.

 

[Brother Blues]

Just because they have skipped over the guy,doesn't mean they are right or that he won't make it.
Tom Brady...6th round!!!

But I would take Troy Smith first also.
And they have skipped over better QBs also...remember Heisman winner Charlie Ward?
He went on to play QB...for the Knicks.

 

[lmuggsy]

Yeah just what we need, another undersized, overrated Florida QB. Ill take Troy Smith over leak anyday. Dont get me wrong, I love Rex now, but when he came out of Florida I hated his ass and thought hed be another Cade Mcnown, which Leak also reminds me of.

Rex vs. Chris

To very different QBs. Chris is actually good...Chris can actually pass.

Chris is the best QB in Florida history. That's a big when you are not under a Steve Spurrier system.

 

[Mt. Yukon]

Just because they have skipped over the guy,doesn't mean they are right or that he won't make it.
Tom Brady...6th round!!!

But I would take Troy Smith first also.
And they have skipped over better QBs also...remember Heisman winner Charlie Ward?
He went on to play QB...for the Knicks.

Brady was different than Leak, Brady was thought of as the second best QB on his team at the time and a product of a good Michigan team. Scouts thought between Atrain, David Terrell, and Marquise Walker all the wepons made him look better than he really was. Now you see who made who look good, but they didnt know that then. Brady also caught lightning in a bottle, he was in the right system at the right time, now yeah he is one of the best, but early in his career he was just a system QB.

 

[Mt. Yukon]

Rex vs. Chris

To very different QBs. Chris is actually good...Chris can actually pass.

Chris is the best QB in Florida history. That's a big when you are not under a Steve Spurrier system.

WTF??? Do you remember when Rex came out of college??? He was short, but had a cannon, Chris does not, Rex can make all the throws, Chris cannot, Rex has the heart of a Lion, Chris does not. You damn right theyre different. Say what you want about Rex being erratic, and irresponsible with the ball, but that mofo can throw the football, and what makes him the best QB in Florida history??? Stats??? Well he is a 4year starter he better damn well own some records for all that time. Urban Myers system is more QB friendly that Spurriers so why you brought up that point I dont know. Chris rarely threw over 25 yards, all his shit was bubble screens, quick hitches, quick outs, and slants. When did you ever see him throw a deep out, deep comeback, skinny post, or a fly route??? That mofo is more overrated than Rex was. Ill just say this, Rex number 22 in the first round, Chris??? second day... Apparently Im not the only one who thinks Rex is better. Also Rex 19-8 as an NFL starter, Chris again hasnt even been drafted in a WEAK QB class. Not saying he wont be good, but for you to say hes better than Rex with nothing to base it on makes you sound like a fanboy.

 

[Ghost0ne]

WTF??? Do you remember when Rex came out of college??? He was short, but had a cannon, Chris does not, Rex can make all the throws, Chris cannot, Rex has the heart of a Lion, Chris does not. You damn right theyre different. Say what you want about Rex being erratic, and irresponsible with the ball, but that mofo can throw the football, and what makes him the best QB in Florida history??? Stats??? Well he is a 4year starter he better damn well own some records for all that time. Urban Myers system is more QB friendly that Spurriers so why you brought up that point I dont know. Chris rarely threw over 25 yards, all his shit was bubble screens, quick hitches, quick outs, and slants. When did you ever see him throw a deep out, deep comeback, skinny post, or a fly route??? That mofo is more overrated than Rex was. Ill just say this, Rex number 22 in the first round, Chris??? second day... Apparently Im not the only one who thinks Rex is better. Also Rex 19-8 as an NFL starter, Chris again hasnt even been drafted in a WEAK QB class. Not saying he wont be good, but for you to say hes better than Rex with nothing to base it on makes you sound like a fanboy.

Leak was putting up numbers before Meyer and his "QB friendly" offense showed up. He has the tools and could work in an offense that requires good timing and intermediate passes (like the jets do with chad and pats with brady) you don't need a big arm to be a succesful QB. Leak just seems like a weak cat.

I remember one game, I think it was against Auburn, when he tucked the ball to run. He was coming up the sideline towards a DB and seemed to slide, run over the guy, and run out of bounds all at the same time instead of dropping his shoulder and fighting to get the first down, which he fell a half yard short of because he is a bit soft. He also seems to let mistakes get to him a bit. He needs to become more fearless.

 

[Trapstar]

Yall Mfers stupid, Chris Leak couldnt hold Rex jockstrap coming out of UF.

Rex had a gun and should have won the Heisman,if he wasnt a sophmore. He also had a way quicker release.

Leak shit is accurate,with no zip. They didnt even throw the ball downfield. UF won the championship because of that smothering defense.

Wuerrfel-Spurrier-Rex.....then Chris Leak(UF best QBs).......



.........and I played at UF

 

[jumbo0307]

troy smith will never start an nfl game... let alone get drafted. u can thank his championship game performance for that. chris leak has a better chance of being a 5th rounder.

 

[bromack1]

Yall Mfers stupid, Chris Leak couldnt hold Rex jockstrap coming out of UF.

Rex had a gun and should have won the Heisman,if he wasnt a sophmore. He also had a way quicker release.

Leak shit is accurate,with no zip. They didnt even throw the ball downfield. UF won the championship because of that smothering defense.

Wuerrfel-Spurrier-Rex.....then Chris Leak(UF best QBs).......



.........and I played at UF

Chris might have been fine for college, but the pros is a whole nother level....I never thought Chris was a Pro-level qb

 

[Trapstar]

Chris might have been fine for college, but the pros is a whole nother level....I never thought Chris was a Pro-level qb

He gone get drafted late,but I dont expect much from him.


Arm not NFL material.
In college,the WRs get wide open,you can have a mediocre arm.
In the pros,the windows are tighter,u better anticipate really great or have a gun.

 

[Mt. Yukon]

Leak was putting up numbers before Meyer and his "QB friendly" offense showed up. He has the tools and could work in an offense that requires good timing and intermediate passes (like the jets do with chad and pats with brady) you don't need a big arm to be a succesful QB. Leak just seems like a weak cat.

I remember one game, I think it was against Auburn, when he tucked the ball to run. He was coming up the sideline towards a DB and seemed to slide, run over the guy, and run out of bounds all at the same time instead of dropping his shoulder and fighting to get the first down, which he fell a half yard short of because he is a bit soft. He also seems to let mistakes get to him a bit. He needs to become more fearless.

Numbers, ehhhhhh I guess you could say that. Zooks last year year they went 7-5 Zook was fired and they were calling for Leaks head. Hell the beginning of this year they were calling for Tebow, yeah it sounds like treatment the best QB in Floridas history should be gettiing. He could be successful in the league, but no one wants to have to hide a QBs flaws with a system all the time. Thats why Pennington is always a bad game away from being replaced, and Brady has a strong arm, it just so happens he doesnt need it in the Pats system, but you'll see it next year with Stallworth and Moss. Bradys not Favre, but hes not Pennington either. I hope the brotha catches on somewhere, but I live in Charlotte, have played against this kid, and I just dont see why everyone thinks he soooooo fucking good. If the Panthers draft him people will go crazy. Delhome and Carr are both better but the fans will want Leak to start. Why??? I dont know, we just have some dumbass sports fans down here.

 

[blkpfinder]

WHOA the Best QB in Florida history huh!!! Thats serious, although, I fail to believe that Leak was the Best QB in Florida history, , he did win a BCS, but to say hes the best, I think Wuerffel, may be looked upon as that, but that's just my opinion

Rex vs. Chris

To very different QBs. Chris is actually good...Chris can actually pass.

Chris is the best QB in Florida history. That's a big when you are not under a Steve Spurrier system.

 

[lmuggsy]

Gun vs. Accuracy...give me accuracy.

As for best QB in Florida history.

Look at his stats....

 

[Ghost0ne]

Numbers, ehhhhhh I guess you could say that. Zooks last year year they went 7-5 Zook was fired and they were calling for Leaks head. Hell the beginning of this year they were calling for Tebow, yeah it sounds like treatment the best QB in Floridas history should be gettiing. He could be successful in the league, but no one wants to have to hide a QBs flaws with a system all the time. Thats why Pennington is always a bad game away from being replaced, and Brady has a strong arm, it just so happens he doesnt need it in the Pats system, but you'll see it next year with Stallworth and Moss. Bradys not Favre, but hes not Pennington either. I hope the brotha catches on somewhere, but I live in Charlotte, have played against this kid, and I just dont see why everyone thinks he soooooo fucking good. If the Panthers draft him people will go crazy. Delhome and Carr are both better but the fans will want Leak to start. Why??? I dont know, we just have some dumbass sports fans down here.

Man, you know that the backup is always Mr. popular when things don't seem to go right. Also Zook is known to be a great recruiter and a poor game day coach (not unlike mack brown). He just didn't surround himself with good assistants like Fat Phil has or found that player that can make his own adjustments like VY did for Brown.

Brady has a decent arm, his deep throws don't have consistent distance and tend to sail. His strengths are his mental toughness, ability to work quickly through progressions, and short range accuracy. Leak can make those throws but his psyche game is what is in question. I'm going off what I have seen in games and I think he could be a backup to decent starter a few years down the line. He cannot be brought in to start anytime soon, dude seems to be too fragile mentally, and will protect the ball too much or try to make too many plays.

 

[Trapstar]

Gun vs. Accuracy...give me accuracy.

As for best QB in Florida history.

Look at his stats....

I went to UF. I know Leak personally.
CHeck this out:


Stats just mean you played in more games.
They added a extra reg season game in college football and they count bowl games in the stats now.He also started all 4 seasons at UF,on mediocre teams except last year.

Stever Spurrier,Danny Wuerfferl,Rex Grossman where all way better. He may have barely beat out Shane Matthews for the 4th spot.

This wss before this season.He didnt have a great year.So his overall #'s decreased.

He had a avg season.

Chris Leak
efficiency-144.9
comp/att-365 -232
comp%-63.6
yds 2942
TDs-23
INTs-13

PASSING EFFICIENCY

(Min. of 500 completions)
163.6–Danny Wuerffel, 1993-96
146.77–Rex Grossman, 2000-02
138.54–Chris Leak, 2003-05
137.6 –Shane Matthews,1989-92
136.5 –Kerwin Bell,1984-87


Touchdowns
CAREER
114–Danny Wuerffel,1993-96
77–Rex Grossman, 2000-02
74–Shane Matthews,1989-92
65–Chris Leak, 2003-05
62–Doug Johnson, 1996-99

200-YARD PASSING GAMES
CAREER
31–Danny Wuerffel, 1993-96
30–Shane Matthews, 1989-92
26–Rex Grossman, 2000-02
23–John Reaves, 1969-71
22–Chris Leak, 2003-05
20–Doug Johnson, 1996-99
14–Wayne Peace, 1980-83
14–Kerwin Bell, 1984-87


CONSECUTIVE 300-YARD
PASSING GAMES
9–Rex Grossman, 2001
3–Shane Matthews, 1992
3–Shane Matthews, 1990

YARDS in a SEASON
3,896–Rex Grossman, 2001
3,625–Danny Wuerffel, 1996
3,402–Rex Grossman, 2002
3,266–Danny Wuerffel, 1995
3,205–Shane Matthews, 1992
3,197–Chris Leak, 2004
3,130–Shane Matthews, 1991

COMPLETION % in a SEASON
(Min. 150 completions)
70.7–Wayne Peace (174 of 246),1982
(Min. 200 completions)
65.6–Rex Grossman (259 of 395), 2001
64.6–Danny Wuerffel (210 of 325), 1995
62.8–Chris Leak (235 of 374), 2005
60.6–Shane Matthews (229 of 378), 1990

 

[XXXplosive]

No one's sleeping on Leak
He's undersized, plus he barely held onto his starting job in his last year at Florida
If it wasn't for the fact that he was a senior and the coaches (so the coaches felt loyal to him) he would have lost his starting job to to Tebow

 

[max-dawg]

leak over troy smith?

hell, i didn't get a chance to see smith throw the ball in the bcs game.

he was too busy running for his fucking life.

it all depends on what type of workouts they had at the combines, etc. leak probably didn't look that good 'cause i think he's a "system" qb.

rex grossman is just pure garbage. having a strong arm is worthless if you have no accuracy or decision-making skills.

rex?

the bears need a qb. don't fucking kid yourselves.

 

[Ghost0ne]

I went to UF. I know Leak personally.
CHeck this out:


Stats just mean you played in more games.
They added a extra reg season game in college football and they count bowl games in the stats now.He also started all 4 seasons at UF,on mediocre teams except last year.

Stever Spurrier,Danny Wuerfferl,Rex Grossman where all way better. He may have barely beat out Shane Matthews for the 4th spot.

This ws before this season.He didnt have a great year.So his overall #'s decreased.

PASSING EFFICIENCY

(Min. of 500 completions)
163.6–Danny Wuerffel, 1993-96
146.77–Rex Grossman, 2000-02
138.54–Chris Leak, 2003-05
137.6 –Shane Matthews,1989-92
136.5 –Kerwin Bell,1984-87


Touchdowns
CAREER
114–Danny Wuerffel,1993-96
77–Rex Grossman, 2000-02
74–Shane Matthews,1989-92
65–Chris Leak, 2003-05
62–Doug Johnson, 1996-99

200-YARD PASSING GAMES
CAREER
31–Danny Wuerffel, 1993-96
30–Shane Matthews, 1989-92
26–Rex Grossman, 2000-02
23–John Reaves, 1969-71
22–Chris Leak, 2003-05
20–Doug Johnson, 1996-99
14–Wayne Peace, 1980-83
14–Kerwin Bell, 1984-87


CONSECUTIVE 300-YARD
PASSING GAMES
9–Rex Grossman, 2001
3–Shane Matthews, 1992
3–Shane Matthews, 1990

YARDS in a SEASON
3,896–Rex Grossman, 2001
3,625–Danny Wuerffel, 1996
3,402–Rex Grossman, 2002
3,266–Danny Wuerffel, 1995
3,205–Shane Matthews, 1992
3,197–Chris Leak, 2004
3,130–Shane Matthews, 1991

COMPLETION % in a SEASON
(Min. 150 completions)
70.7–Wayne Peace (174 of 246),1982
(Min. 200 completions)
65.6–Rex Grossman (259 of 395), 2001
64.6–Danny Wuerffel (210 of 325), 1995
62.8–Chris Leak (235 of 374), 2005
60.6–Shane Matthews (229 of 378), 1990

I hear you, but those QB's--cept for spurrier himself--played their entire careers in Spurrier's system, which is known to inflate a QBs numbers. Leak had 3 different offenses in 4 years. Say what you want, but knowing an offense will increase your ability to make plays within it on the field.

Now you might argue that Meyer's O also does that, but Meyer himself said he
had to handicap his O to tailor it to Leak, who is a dropback passer who looks painfully uncomfortable running with the ball (as I noted in that anecdote in my first post).

I really cant wait to see Tebow run the spread option. I've been on this guy's wagon since i saw him toss a 50 yard completion from his own endzone off balance with pressure in the high school all american game. He should be a beast.

 

[Trapstar]

I hear you, but those QB's--cept for spurrier himself--played their entire careers in Spurrier's system, which is known to inflate a QBs numbers. Leak had 3 different offenses in 4 years. Say what you want, but knowing an offense will increase your ability to make plays within it on the field.

Now you might argue that Meyer's O also does that, but Meyer himself said he
had to handicap his O to tailor it to Leak, who is a dropback passer who looks painfully uncomfortable running with the ball (as I noted in that anecdote in my first post).

I really cant wait to see Tebow run the spread option. I've been on this guy's wagon since i saw him toss a 50 yard completion from his own endzone off balance with pressure in the high school all american game.

I will give you the fact that Leak played in numerous offenses.They had higher completion % and Spurrier system took more downfield chances than Leak ever played in.

Im not really sold on Tebow. Wait until Cam Newton get the offense down.

 

[Ghost0ne]

I will give you the fact that Leak played in numerous offenses.They had higher completion % and Spurrier system took more downfield chances than Leak ever played in.

Im not really sold on Tebow. Wait until Cam Newton get the offense down.

yeah, thats why Leak's numbers aren't as high, though one could argue he couldn't make those throws anyway...


Tebow hasn't shown much to be excited about in game with his arm, but he was mainly used as a short yardage back last season. There seems to be others that think he cant do the job, like that kid that decomitted from Texas, big white dude named John, to come to Florida. I think he will do well once he gets the chance to get used to the SEC secondary schemes and talent. I think that kid can do some damage, especially with his dual threat ability and Meyer's offensive "evil genius" style.

 

[XXXplosive]

troy smith will never start an nfl game... let alone get drafted. u can thank his championship game performance for that. chris leak has a better chance of being a 5th rounder.

Troy Smith just got picked up in the 5th round by the Ravens

Leak is still on the board.....

 

[Trapstar]

yeah, thats why Leak's numbers aren't as high, though one could argue he couldn't make those throws anyway...


Tebow hasn't shown much to be excited about in game with his arm, but he was mainly used as a short yardage back last season. There seems to be others that think he cant do the job, like that kid that decomitted from Texas, big white dude named John, to come to Florida. I think he will do well once he gets the chance to get used to the SEC secondary schemes and talent. I think that kid can do some damage, especially with his dual threat ability and Meyer's offensive "evil genius" style.

John Brantley,he should have went 2 a traditional drop-back system.He is nice.

 

[blkpfinder]

Good info, well i think the numbers have it, Danny Wuerffel was prob the best best QB in Fl history, with Rex coming in second, but come on now Leak the best????? HHHHEEELLLLLL NO

I went to UF. I know Leak personally.
CHeck this out:


Stats just mean you played in more games.
They added a extra reg season game in college football and they count bowl games in the stats now.He also started all 4 seasons at UF,on mediocre teams except last year.

Stever Spurrier,Danny Wuerfferl,Rex Grossman where all way better. He may have barely beat out Shane Matthews for the 4th spot.

This wss before this season.He didnt have a great year.So his overall #'s decreased.

He had a avg season.



PASSING EFFICIENCY

(Min. of 500 completions)
163.6–Danny Wuerffel, 1993-96
146.77–Rex Grossman, 2000-02
138.54–Chris Leak, 2003-05
137.6 –Shane Matthews,1989-92
136.5 –Kerwin Bell,1984-87


Touchdowns
CAREER
114–Danny Wuerffel,1993-96
77–Rex Grossman, 2000-02
74–Shane Matthews,1989-92
65–Chris Leak, 2003-05
62–Doug Johnson, 1996-99

200-YARD PASSING GAMES
CAREER
31–Danny Wuerffel, 1993-96
30–Shane Matthews, 1989-92
26–Rex Grossman, 2000-02
23–John Reaves, 1969-71
22–Chris Leak, 2003-05
20–Doug Johnson, 1996-99
14–Wayne Peace, 1980-83
14–Kerwin Bell, 1984-87


CONSECUTIVE 300-YARD
PASSING GAMES
9–Rex Grossman, 2001
3–Shane Matthews, 1992
3–Shane Matthews, 1990

YARDS in a SEASON
3,896–Rex Grossman, 2001
3,625–Danny Wuerffel, 1996
3,402–Rex Grossman, 2002
3,266–Danny Wuerffel, 1995
3,205–Shane Matthews, 1992
3,197–Chris Leak, 2004
3,130–Shane Matthews, 1991

COMPLETION % in a SEASON
(Min. 150 completions)
70.7–Wayne Peace (174 of 246),1982
(Min. 200 completions)
65.6–Rex Grossman (259 of 395), 2001
64.6–Danny Wuerffel (210 of 325), 1995
62.8–Chris Leak (235 of 374), 2005
60.6–Shane Matthews (229 of 378), 1990

 

[dino]

chris leak is short with no arm strength, doug flutie didnt get drafted either