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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/11/us/11housing.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

August 10, 2011

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<nyt_byline>By JENNIFER MEDINA

</nyt_byline><nyt_text><nyt_correction_top></nyt_correction_top>LANCASTER, Calif. — This city in the high desert, at the far northern edge of the Los Angeles sprawl, is filled with cozy cul-de-sacs, stucco homes, green lawns and gleaming sedans.
A three-bedroom house rents for the same price as a small apartment in Los Angeles, 70 miles to the south. So it is hardly shocking that the number of renters here who use the federal Section 8 housing subsidy has more than doubled in the last decade, to roughly 3,500, at a time when housing values have crumbled at the exurban fringe, driving prices even lower.
The once-booming town, like hundreds of others at the edge of major metropolitan areas across the country, is also facing stark changes in its demographic mix, going in a few decades from a small, overwhelmingly white city to a much larger, ethnically diverse one where whites make up a third of the population. Fault lines have opened, with some residents worrying that neighborhoods are inundated with crime, and others seeing racism.
Mayor R. Rex Parris has contended for years that the area has been treated as a “dumping ground” for the poor of Los Angeles County. He has repeatedly said that Lancaster should be “waging a war” against the Section 8 program, which provides housing vouchers to low-income families, because there are disproportionately more recipients living in the area than in the rest of the county. It is a “problem that is crushing our community,” he said.
Now, civil rights groups have filed a federal lawsuit accusing Lancaster and neighboring Palmdale of unfairly singling out Latino and black residents who use Section 8 vouchers to help pay rent. The residents, they say, face unannounced visits from sheriff’s deputies and county housing agents, as well as aggressive surveillance from neighbors. The investigations, the lawsuit charges, are thinly veiled efforts to have the residents’ vouchers revoked.
The federal Department of Housing and Urban Development notified Lancaster last month that it would investigate the accusations. The city could lose hundreds of thousands of dollars in federal grants.
Section 8 housing vouchers were created under the Nixon administration as a way to break up poor enclaves in urban centers and allow more people to move to the suburbs, where they could, potentially, get better jobs and their children could go to better schools. Recipients are typically required to spend about a third of their monthly income on rent. In Los Angeles, there is a 10-year waiting list for the vouchers. Once a resident has a voucher terminated, it is difficult to have it reinstated.
In 2004, Lancaster and Palmdale hired additional investigators from the Los Angeles County Housing Authority to look into suspected violators, splitting the cost with the county as law enforcement officials scoured homes for drugs or, more commonly, extra tenants. Mr. Parris said he wanted to make it simpler for neighbors to complain about residents who were not keeping up their homes, leaving garbage cans on the street or hanging laundry on the front lawn.
After the investigations began, he said, crime in the city, which had been steadily increasing, started to drop.
“There’s no doubt in my mind our effort to root out Section 8 abuse was a part of that,” Mr. Parris said in a recent interview. Although he presented the same argument to county officials, they recently voted to stop paying for the extra investigators. “The question should really be: Why are we the only ones who are doing something about it?”
While Palmdale has employed many of the same measures as Lancaster, Mayor James C. Ledford Jr. has not been as outspoken as Mr. Parris. Mr. Ledford declined to comment for this article, but in June told a local reporter that he was focused on compliance.
“The effects of people not living within the rules has a devastating effect on our neighborhoods,” he said. “We’re trying to preserve our neighborhoods.”
In many instances, the compliance investigations have led to recipients losing their vouchers. According to the lawsuit, more than half of the county’s proposed revocations came from the two cities, though fewer than 20 percent of the county’s roughly 21,000 Section 8 voucher recipients live in them.
“They’ve made criminals out of everyone associated with Section 8,” said Jesse Smith, a leader of the local N.A.A.C.P., which is a plaintiff in the lawsuit. “They just want to keep everything the way it was for the good-old-boy network.”
For decades the Antelope Valley, as the stretch on the northeast border of Los Angeles County and the western edge of the Mojave Desert is called, was just a remote sweep of small towns. More recently, the area boomed and the population grew exponentially as scrub brush gave way to relatively inexpensive housing. (The growth also fueled demographic changes: in 1980, when the population of Lancaster was roughly 48,000, the city was 86 percent white, with a black population of 3 percent. In 2010, with the population reaching 157,000, whites made up a third of the city, while 20 percent of the population was black and 38 percent Hispanic, according to census figures.)
Then came the bust. Thousands of houses sat foreclosed or vacant, while others were bought up by investors who did not necessarily live in the city but were eager to rent out the space. That left a prime opportunity for Section 8 recipients, who were thrilled by the relative bargains.
“I thought this would be a place with good chances, much better chances than in L.A., and we could have a bigger and better home,” said one of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit, who filed under the name of Judy Doe, saying that she feared retaliation.
She said that in the last few years, her Palmdale home had been the target of intense investigations, with dozens of sheriff’s deputies showing up at her door repeatedly and intimidating her four children. After neighbors learned that the family received a housing voucher, a group of boys threw urine at her youngest son and yelled racial epithets when he was walking to school one morning.
“It turned into a nightmare where we were just afraid to leave our house,” said the woman, who is black. “The reason we came out here some years ago was so we didn’t have to be afraid.”
There is a widespread resentment against the influx of Section 8 participants in the area. The local newspaper, The Antelope Valley Press, prominently features stories about people with any kind of Section 8 violation. “I hate Section 8” became almost a rallying cry — a Facebook page by that name featured pictures of some rental homes. In January, the garage of one such home was spray painted with a racial epithet and the “I hate Section 8” message.
Mayor Parris, who is white, says that such attacks should not be tolerated, but he dismisses the racism claims in the lawsuit, saying that the advocates filing it were acting as “poverty pimps who are just looking for attention.”
The mayor, a Lancaster native whose family was on welfare for part of his childhood, is not shy about using dramatic language to make his point. He said that by not providing the city with more money to provide social services or warning potential residents that there is little public transportation, the county was “just sending people here to die.” He has repeatedly said that the program simply “moves the urban poor to the hard-working suburbs.”
A few years ago, the mayor floated the idea of an advertising campaign highlighting a lack of jobs and a relatively high cost of living. But housing officials said that would be unfair, since a primary principle of the Section 8 program is to allow recipients to move wherever they choose.
“People come here with no support network, no family at home to help them, nothing but just a house to live in,” Mr. Parris said. “It makes no sense to encourage them to come.”


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Suit accuses Lancaster and Palmdale of racial bias in Section 8 crackdown


Plaintiffs, including the NAACP, allege that the cities are trying to run low-income minorities out of town by conducting 'compliance checks' that can result in families losing their federal housing benefits.


June 08, 2011|By Carol J. Williams and Ann M. Simmons, Los Angeles Times
Elected leaders in Lancaster and Palmdale have waged an "unrelenting war" against low-income blacks and Latinos who receive public assistance in a campaign to drive them out of the historically white Antelope Valley, civil rights lawyers alleged in a lawsuit filed Tuesday.
As many as 200 local minority families have lost their federal housing assistance each year, according to the lawsuit filed in federal court by the National Assn. for the Advancement of Colored People and unnamed victims of the alleged harassment.

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Most of the families have been cut off following surprise "compliance checks" by housing authorities and police, aimed at rooting out fraud in the federal housing assistance program known as Section 8.
Civil rights advocates say the crackdowns amount to racial discrimination, as 85% of the Section 8 households are black or Latino. Residents have also complained that the inspections often involved armed Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies, which they said adds a level of intimidation to the checks.
The lawsuit says the crackdown has created a climate of fear among minorities in the Antelope Valley and may have influenced vigilante attacks and hate crimes.
Palmdale's First African Methodist Episcopal Church was firebombed in August, and garages and other property of Section 8 renters have been vandalized with graffiti including racial slurs, swastikas and "I hate Section 8." One mother of four reported in the complaint that a carload of white youths shouted racial epithets at her children and threw a bag of urine at them.
"The level of hostility in these cities as expressed and enforced by authorities is astonishing," said Catherine Lhamon, a lawyer for Public Counsel, the public-interest law firm representing the plaintiffs. Council members in the two cities "have no shame … in expressing their racial hostility."
City leaders defend their actions, saying that they stepped up the inspections in response to public concerns about crime.
Lancaster Mayor R. Rex Parris said there is evidence that crime in Lancaster tends to "cluster around Section 8 housing." Since Lancaster began its stepped-up enforcement, crime stemming from Section 8 housing units has "dropped dramatically," Parris said.
He could not provide statistics, and officials at the Sheriff's Department said they could not immediately comment on whether there is more crime among Section 8 tenants.
Parris and other officials also said they feel inundated by the county's poor and ill-prepared to handle their needs.
"What the [county] housing authority is attempting to do is move their poor up to the suburbs so they don't have to provide them any services, such as medical or rehabilitation services," Parris said "It's a systematic conspiracy. Do I think there is racism involved? Absolutely. But I don't think it's from our end."
Palmdale Mayor James C. Ledford Jr. was equally adamant that his city's tough Section 8 enforcement practices weren't racially motivated.
"The allegation is absurd," Ledford said. "Our population demographics are quite diverse. Diversity is something that we're celebrating, not discouraging."
Palmdale recently renewed the contract for its special investigator for Section 8 fraud, whose work over the last two years has resulted in a termination of benefits for one in 12 residents in the housing assistance program. In Lancaster, which also hires its own enforcer for the federal program, one in 21 beneficiaries was cut off in 2009. The two cities accounted for 51% of terminations in L.A. County.
Sean Rogan, executive director of L.A. County's Housing Authority, would say only that the agency that administers the Section 8 program "takes very seriously all issues raised … and is reviewing the lawsuit with its counsel to investigate its allegations."
Tony Bell, assistant chief deputy for County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich, said the county agreed to provide enhanced funding for investigative services in the Antelope Valley cities "to protect the integrity of the Section 8 program so that eligible recipients receive the service and fraudulent applicants are identified."
Those who claim to have been unjustly terminated contend that the two cities are trying to drive out Section 8 tenants and that the county rubber-stamps the cutoff requests.
Shanna Blackburn, who was unaware of the NAACP legal action, was receiving housing assistance in 2008 when the Palmdale enforcer showed up at her door with armed sheriff's deputies. They raided the home in search of evidence that her 17-year-old son had gang affiliations.
"They said there were some gang members at his school causing trouble and they thought he could have been with them. But the only association was that he's black. My son was a straight-A student and never in any kind of trouble," recalled Blackburn, who said she lost her benefits even though nothing was found in the raid.
Pharaoh Mitchell got housing aid after suffering a back injury in the Army that has left him unable to return to construction work. He said his family of eight was rousted in a compliance check by a dozen armed deputies last year. Mitchell, who praises the housing assistance program for giving the poor a chance to escape crime-ridden inner city projects, attributed the fruitless six-hour raid to a neighbor who called authorities reporting vague suspicions.
Many black Section 8 renters in the Antelope Valley complain that they feel unjustly branded as security threats, and have taken their concerns to the Community Action League, a local civil rights group that is a plaintiff in the suit along with the NAACP.
"This city has made the words 'Section 8' almost something that if you are connected with it, you're a criminal," V. Jesse Smith, an NAACP spokesman, said of Lancaster.

 
Lancaster Mayor R. Rex Parris said there is evidence that crime in Lancaster tends to "cluster around Section 8 housing." Since Lancaster began its stepped-up enforcement, crime stemming from Section 8 housing units has "dropped dramatically," Parris said.



That shit is truth.com. Shit isn't racial. In Ohio, black people don't want section 8 muthafuckas coming to the suburbs either. It is a quick way to turn a city into a ghetto. You can have the same size building in the same city. Everything is the same. But for some reason, the section 8 building is going to have trouble like a muthafucka. People don't want that shit in their city.
 
But if they are auditing everyone across the board and it happens that the violators are mostly black... its not an issue... but if you are taking a 'sample' or picking people at 'random' that's an issue.

The way I see it... cut the program altogether...
 
The way I see it... cut the program altogether...

whoa there, i know lots of landlords

who do not agree with you! the tenants just need to be

carefully selected. all section 8 tenants are not

trouble!

p.s. to expedite the voucher move to a "slower" area.

i.e, you live in chicago, move to iowa(go about getting residence, then transfer voucher).
 
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That shit is truth.com. Shit isn't racial. In Ohio, black people don't want section 8 muthafuckas coming to the suburbs either. It is a quick way to turn a city into a ghetto. You can have the same size building in the same city. Everything is the same. But for some reason, the section 8 building is going to have trouble like a muthafucka. People don't want that shit in their city.

I think this applies pretty much everywhere. They started spreading section 8 into Clayton County here in Atl and the white folks got the hell out and the crime damn near quadrupled in a matter of 5 years. There was a time when Riverdale, Morrow and Jonesboro were probably 90% white. NOW???? I wouldnt be surprised if its the exact opposite. I don't fool with any area with section 8. The next area that's going to get hit here from it is Marietta.
 
whoa there, i know lots of landlords

who do not agree with you! the tenants just need to be

carefully selected. all section 8 tenants are not

trouble!

p.s. to expedite the voucher move to a "slower" area.

i.e, you live in chicago, move to iowa(go about getting residence, then transfer voucher).

And I care why a landlord thinks differently? Its a program which is antiquated and overly abused for decades.... cut the cord.. save the money....
 
I think this applies pretty much everywhere. They started spreading section 8 into Clayton County here in Atl and the white folks got the hell out and the crime damn near quadrupled in a matter of 5 years. There was a time when Riverdale, Morrow and Jonesboro were probably 90% white. NOW???? I wouldnt be surprised if its the exact opposite. I don't fool with any area with section 8. The next area that's going to get hit here from it is Marietta.

I firmly believe this program is used to destabilize middle-class black communities. Black people move somewhere and whites move out. Okay. You are left with black people that have bust their ass to attain a certain lifestyle. Then WAW says...:D "You forgot something!" Starts tearing down projects and sending section 8 folks to the suburbs.

Most of us have been trained not to speak up on the fuckery, so within 5-10 years, your neighborhood is now a war zone.

:smh:
 
When you give people something for free, they value it less...

...Section 8 should never have been a lifetime award, but as the rich get richer I guess they pacify the masses... If you've been on section 8 for years, and in some cases generations--something is wrong with you... Period...
 
I wouldnt be surprised if its the exact opposite. I don't fool with any area with section 8. The next area that's going to get hit here from it is Marietta.

Sheeeit...Marietta is the Barrio...nothing but niggas and wetbacks in Section OCHO! :lol:

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However, let's take a close look at those who are given assistance and determine whether they are really qualified to receive help. Priority first to the elderly and disabled. Next, put the tenants to work and put their children in quality day care or in school. Those not willing to work, then remove the children and let children services place them in homes where they will get quality care. In other words, the time has come to start making some hard and fast rules and regulations that will eliminate generations of public dole. Help those that are entitled to it but tell those who wish to take advantage of the program to meet their own criteria of entitlement to go elsewhere. Every dime must be used to help those that are entitled to it and not to children breeders and their co-horts who come around for their cut of the pie for having been part of the breeding process. Bluntly spoken and bluntly meant. In other words start acting with some moral standards and stop spending the taxpayers' monies for your personal gratification.


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Here is one idea:
Divide the monetary value of assistance by minimum wage and the result of that equation is the number of public service hours required to EARN the assistance. There are lots of services that could use labor - picking up litter, cleaning city hall...
Use a different equation for Physically DISABLED. Even most disabled can DO something. These people would at least gain some feeling of self-worth.
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[/FONT]What is needed besides a change in the bureaucracy, is ENFORCEMENT and intensive training/education -- like they did in Chicago.
In the rebuilt public housing units there, if someone gets arrested for selling drugs in your unit, you are OUT. Someone living in your unit who's not on the lease -- you are OUT. Too many police calls to your unit for domestic violence/guns/noise/whatever -- you are OUT. Trash in your hallways or courtyard -- you are OUT. If you are not lease compliant, you are OUT. have a unit, but have no job, you have to go to job training or continuing education classes. You miss too many classes, you are OUT.
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Why not demand that the "baby daddy" take responsibility? In some cases helping is a good thing but some people are just lazy, professional moochers.


Housing abuse is rampant through out the system and the country.
This was from http://www.downsizinggovernment.org/hud
The Department of Housing and Urban Development engages in a range of housing and community activities that used to be the responsibility of local governments and the private sector. Its public housing subsidies, rental aid, and housing finance activities have proven to be damaging to the economy. The department's poor management and misguided policies have also led to numerous scandals.
The department will spend $65 billion in 2009, or about $555 for every U.S. household. It employs 9,500 workers, operates 108 different subsidy programs, and oversees more than 3,600 pages of regulations.
There's tons of information here!


public housing is a priveledge not a right. strict requirements should be in place, including drug testing. Some form of community service, job adherence, education requisite should be in place. Got to change the culture of welfare and those that expect handouts.
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PLEASE straighten out the mess and insure that Section 8 vouchers are prioritized for the DISABLED. This is tragic and unconscionable that disabled people have to pay 90% of their entitlement for rent. How does a person pay for utilities, phone, and transportation with the $95 remaining after rent is paid? Thank the USA for the $82 in food stamps.
When will we REALLY take care of the DISABLED (the TRULY disabled) over the young families who have relatives who can accommodate them?
I suppose the disabled deserve to be homeless? Is that it? Should we pay for heat and light or should we pay for food? Should we have a home or should we have bus fare? Should we spend our money on clothes or on a 19 inch TV? Should we eat or should we have gas service to enjoy hot showers?
No, I am not the disabled individual. I am her relative, and I can no longer stand by and have HANO, time and again, over the past 20 years, overlook the needs of the disabled.


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"here is Miss Colleen, a beautiful young woman, and her two lovely children protesting in the old-fashioned American way and you want to "remove the children."
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I noticed Miss Colleen got a nice tat on her arm. Those things are not cheap at all. Neither are hair weaves(which I've noticed other public assistance recieving types to have). As someone who has a job and pays all my own rent and taxes, there is no way I could afford tats, weaves, etc. And ESPECIALLY children. If you can't afford em , don't have them. I hope to have a couple some day, but since I actually have personal responsibility, I'll have to use birth control until I can afford kids. This attitude that you are owed something for nothing needs to go. And go fast. Amen, I say take the children away!!!!

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When I saw the picture of the mother and her two children one thing came to mind. Millions of dollars of taxpayers money will be spent on these three people. Do the math millions in wealfare, housing ,food stamps ,medical cost and god forbid the cost of jail that so many of these people end up in.
Here we have an able bodied woman who cannot work because she has two young children. When the babies get old enough to be put in daycare will she get a job? By that time she will have another one !
 
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