Why MLB Comish WON'T Punish A-Rod !!

[flounder]

In an interview today, MLB Commissioner, Bud Selig said that he's considering 'punishment' for A-Rod. If he does go down that road, his consideration and punishment should also extend to the following: MLB (owners-conspiracy, complicity, silent approval) MLBPA (Union-Donald Fehr-Executive Director, in particular); Roger Clemens; Barry Bonds; Andy Pettitte; and the other 103 names(possibly more) not yet publically revealed.

Here are his comments: "It was against the law, so I would think about that, Selig said of (A-Rod's) admission he used banned substances from 2001-03." "It's very hard. I've got to think about a lot of stuff (i.e., like MLB & MLBPA silent complicity or conspiracy, to name a couple)".

Personally, I don't think that Bud wants to go there an initiate a 'public relations' nightmare. His statement was probably more for 'public consumption', letting the 'old-timers/purists' know that he really cares and will ultimately get this matter 'put-to-bed'.

Maybe he'll place an asterisk after the HR numbers achieved by Barry Bonds and "reinstate Henry (Hank) Aaron" as the legitimate HR king. Most people could live with that adjustment---except the Bonds' fans...and the 'keepers' of baseball statistics.

 

[kenbgco68]

Yeah, but Barry hasn't been really 'caught' yet. No confession from him, and no 100% solid proof linking him to doping.

I know, I know... but technically he hasn't been caught.

 

[futureshock]

Bud needs to resign ASAP! He was horrible at managing this scandal which has continued to blossom under his watch. He was an owner in the 1970s when the first steriod hearings were held by congress with all of the major sports organizations in the US. Nike had a "chicks did the longball" ad campaign! Nowadays he speaks as if he has no clue about what is happening. HE IS A BUFFOON!@#$%^



How ironic is it that Jose Conseco told congress that the would tell them everything if they granted him immunity. And they did not....why? Because they did not want to know the truth. Eventually names like Clemens and A-Rods came out....what is that doing to the image of the game now? They wanna take away homerun totals? What's next? Take away Adam Dunn's numbers? Travis Hafner's numbers? How about take away those Yankee pennants and World Series trophies!

The even greater aspect of this story that nobody is talking about is that Orza tipped A-Rod off on the steriod tests that were scheduled. How many other players were tipped off by MLB officials that would have probably tested positive? And when you have a list of 104 people....think about how many clubs accross the league that could be impacted by the publishing of that list.

 

[lexdiamonnyc]

nah, fuck that!!!...I want to see the rest of the list all 104 names, it's not fair that A. Rod gets singled out, and I don't even like that muthafuka.

 

[flounder]

Bud needs to resign ASAP! He was horrible at managing this scandal which has continued to blossom under his watch. He was an owner in the 1970s when the first steriod hearings were held by congress with all of the major sports organizations in the US. Nike had a "chicks did the longball" ad campaign! Nowadays he speaks as if he has no clue about what is happening. HE IS A BUFFOON!@#$%^



How ironic is it that Jose Conseco told congress that the would tell them everything if they granted him immunity. And they did not....why? Because they did not want to know the truth. Eventually names like Clemens and A-Rods came out....what is that doing to the image of the game now? They wanna take away homerun totals? What's next? Take away Adam Dunn's numbers? Travis Hafner's numbers? How about take away those Yankee pennants and World Series trophies!

The even greater aspect of this story that nobody is talking about is that Orza tipped A-Rod off on the steriod tests that were scheduled. How many other players were tipped off by MLB officials that would have probably tested positive? And when you have a list of 104 people....think about how many clubs accross the league that could be impacted by the publishing of that list.

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Flounder Response:

Good points! I would not be surprised if it was learned that some of the congressmen were on the 'take' from some of the owners.

The 'membership' of that so-called "list" should be quite interesting. The Baltimore Orioles had a 'lead-off' player lead the AL in homers! Hit 50 or more. A lead-off batter. After that year his HR totals went south, and stayed. He probably felt that hitting that many HRs' brought some 'unwanted attention". And this guy WAS NOT a 'power' hitting outfielder, so he needed all of the help he could get!

When Bud Selig was owner of the Milwaukee Brewers, he also was the 'interim' Comish of MLB. A 'little' conflict-of-interest there. He finally relinquished 'ownership' to his daughter, but not before he RIGHTED of few things for the Brewers. The whole system --MLB--operated like a loose-ship. They --the owners--were more concerned with 'hiding and cooking their financial books, in an attempt to keep the MLBPA ignorant and the players underpaid. But the Union was strong and made things very diffiucult for MLB--especially 'strikes'. That's why they (the Owners) finally agreed to turn their heads and ignore the cheating, while they ( Owners/Union/Players) reaped the rewards.


If congress had not turned-on the 'heat' (because of public pressure), MLB & MLBPA still would have its luke-warm approach to the drug problems. The Union didn't want the present 'penalty schedule, i.e., 100-days first offense,etc. Mark my words the problem will be revisited over the non-use of HGH testing. Now, they're trying to find 'scapegoats' and 'fall-guys'.

The continued use, or alledged use, of HGH, will lead to further problems in baseball. Its an issued thats waiting to explode!

The original comment was made by: Futureshock (Superstar)

 

[keysersoze]

i heard rumors that they may be thinking of doing something to him?

anything new?

 

[flounder]

i heard rumors that they may be thinking of doing something to him?

anything new?

Nothing, as of now. Although, any 'prospective' action is still in the "thinking" stage, I don't see any punitive action taking place. One thing certain, the union(MLBPA) will file a law suit...if necessary. Its like them saying, "We profited together, let's go down together." See how quickly MLB(Selig) backs off.

Like most politicians, Selig has his 'finger' in the air testing which direction is the Baseball fans' interest' blowing. Fans really don't care....except the Red Sox re: A-Rod.

 

[kenbgco68]

This pic here. That Peter Dinklage?

 

[futureshock]

Amen Flounder. The culture in baseball reflects this popular phrase "If you aint cheating, then you aint tryin."

In baseball players from the opposite team have been known to "steal signs" when parked at second base or when they are in the dugout and relay them to the hitter at the plate. That is why we see the pitcher/catcher conferences at the mound sometimes.

It is a part of the game.

In baseball we see players "stealing bases" when they are on first, second or third.....even stealing home. Runners "cheat" up the baseline to get a jump and proceed to take off before the pitcher throws the ball.

It is a part of the game.

Scuffing balls so that pitchers can make them move differently, going to the mouth between pitches, using too much pinetar on a bat, using a corked bat, not trimming grass so that infield balls can die quicker, putting more chalk on the foul lines so that they are elevated to keep rolling balls fair are some of the ways that certain clubs/players bend the rules. These are known aspects of the game.

Heck you can even jump over the wall to retrieve a ball that was put in play and it will garner the phrase "robbed him of a hit" or robbed him of a homerun. Look at baseball culture post Black Sox scandal.

Now we introduce PEDs into the convo. Could bull testicles, alcohol, cocaine or coffee fall into the performance enhancing drug categories? What about cortizone shots? Which are legal treatments for injuries? What about greenies or amphetamines which were used by players such as HANK AARON, but are CURRENTLY ILLEGAL AS OF WHAT THE LAST 2 SEASONS IN MLB? Players played longer schedules. They played double-headers (two games in one day). They played in the summertime in different time zones. How do you not stay competative? How do you not lose your edge? Some of them needed "uppers" so they used something that pilots brought back from WWII to keep them game ready.....in the form of "greenies" or amphetamines.

Players will always look for an edge legally (gatorade) or illegally (hGH). Whether it be dominican coffee or chewing tobacco to keep you wired or that red drink that Willie Mays took or shooting roids....which were not illegal in baseball at the time. I'm not saying that it is right, but that is just the way that it is. BTW, did Alex Sanchez who got suspended for steriod use, ever hit 70 homeruns in a season?

The drug market is years ahead of what they have out on the market now. Ha, Steriods or hGH? Some say that Gene Doping is the next big thing on the horizon. And that is near undectable. And some also say that in a few years hGH will be legalized due to its anti-aging properties and benefits.

I am glad that Hank Aaron said what he said about the records in reponse to Selig yester day. It is Bud Selig that needs an asterisk by his name and HE NEEDS TO GO!

The best article on the entire subject (should have been made into a documentary):
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=steroids

Read what was said about the congressional hearings in the 1970s:
http://oversight.house.gov/documents/20050317121006-68561.pdf


And many people do not know that Tom House the man who caught Hank Aaron's 715 admitted to using steriods.

House, now 58, might be best known for catching Hank Aaron's 715th home run on April 8, 1974, in the Braves' bullpen at old Fulton County Stadium.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2005-05-03-steroids-house_x.htm

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/05/03/SPGSTCJ0SK1.DTL

 

[flounder]

Amen Flounder. The culture in baseball reflects this popular phrase "If you aint cheating, then you aint tryin."

In baseball players from the opposite team have been known to "steal signs" when parked at second base or when they are in the dugout and relay them to the hitter at the plate. That is why we see the pitcher/catcher conferences at the mound sometimes.

It is a part of the game.

In baseball we see players "stealing bases" when they are on first, second or third.....even stealing home. Runners "cheat" up the baseline to get a jump and proceed to take off before the pitcher throws the ball.

It is a part of the game.

Scuffing balls so that pitchers can make them move differently, going to the mouth between pitches, using too much pinetar on a bat, using a corked bat, not trimming grass so that infield balls can die quicker, putting more chalk on the foul lines so that they are elevated to keep rolling balls fair are some of the ways that certain clubs/players bend the rules. These are known aspects of the game.

Heck you can even jump over the wall to retrieve a ball that was put in play and it will garner the phrase "robbed him of a hit" or robbed him of a homerun. Look at baseball culture post Black Sox scandal.

Now we introduce PEDs into the convo. Could bull testicles, alcohol, cocaine or coffee fall into the performance enhancing drug categories? What about cortizone shots? Which are legal treatments for injuries? What about greenies or amphetamines which were used by players such as HANK AARON, but are CURRENTLY ILLEGAL AS OF WHAT THE LAST 2 SEASONS IN MLB? Players played longer schedules. They played double-headers (two games in one day). They played in the summertime in different time zones. How do you not stay competative? How do you not lose your edge? Some of them needed "uppers" so they used something that pilots brought back from WWII to keep them game ready.....in the form of "greenies" or amphetamines.

Players will always look for an edge legally (gatorade) or illegally (hGH). Whether it be dominican coffee or chewing tobacco to keep you wired or that red drink that Willie Mays took or shooting roids....which were not illegal in baseball at the time. I'm not saying that it is right, but that is just the way that it is. BTW, did Alex Sanchez who got suspended for steriod use, ever hit 70 homeruns in a season?

The drug market is years ahead of what they have out on the market now. Ha, Steriods or hGH? Some say that Gene Doping is the next big thing on the horizon. And that is near undectable. And some also say that in a few years hGH will be legalized due to its anti-aging properties and benefits.

I am glad that Hank Aaron said what he said about the records in reponse to Selig yester day. It is Bud Selig that needs an asterisk by his name and HE NEEDS TO GO!

The best article on the entire subject (should have been made into a documentary):
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=steroids

Read what was said about the congressional hearings in the 1970s:
http://oversight.house.gov/documents/20050317121006-68561.pdf


And many people do not know that Tom House the man who caught Hank Aaron's 715 admitted to using steriods.

House, now 58, might be best known for catching Hank Aaron's 715th home run on April 8, 1974, in the Braves' bullpen at old Fulton County Stadium.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2005-05-03-steroids-house_x.htm

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/05/03/SPGSTCJ0SK1.DTL

Good comments/links, Futureshock.

You know, Tom House(LHP) was a pretty good pitcher--especially with the Braves. It was fitting that he caught Aaron's record setting HR. Not only did House admit to using steroids, he stated that he was aware of at least "six or seven" pitchers on other teams that use them, along with other "performance enhancing drugs" dating back to the 60's.

MLB is probably Exhibit #1 to the adage commenting about "...stone throwers in glass houses". They carry a history that is extremely sensitive to all kinds of physical and moral violations. Any action, or non-action taken will always be subject to 'detailed' scrutiny. And being an "anti-trust' benefactor--from way back--ironically keeps them in that position.

 

[btman2004]

Thanks for sharing.