Why is Obama trying to bail out the banks again?

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someone defend this please...

without going too deeply into the issue (i will provide links with background info etc), basically millions and millions of mortgages were bought/sold by banks when they never had proper title. or they securitized the mortgages w/o undertaking some very basic requirements such as the proper transfer of mortgage documents. the problem was so systemic that it's partly responsible for some of the major fuck ups that we see today, such as banks foreclosing on homeowners that paid for their homes in cash etc. basically speaking if these steps were improper then the banks never had the right to transfer the mortgages and the parties on the other side of the transaction have the right to demand their money back.

now obama wants to absolve the banks of all of these patently illegal moves and wants all of the states to agree to a one time 20 billion dollar settlement. spread across the largest banks in the country this is literally a pittance and provides NO deterrence. why is that?

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011...of-mortgage-transfers-at-bank-of-america.html

http://www.creditwritedowns.com/201...s-reveals-about-the-obama-administration.html

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011...-from-proposed-mortgage-fraud-settlement.html
 
If U.S. citizens weren't so stupid and greedy Obama wouldn't have to clean up their messes (bailing out banks).
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/13/us/politics/13donor.html?pagewanted=1


Obama Seeks to Win Back Wall St. Cash

By NICHOLAS CONFESSORE
Published: June 12, 2011

The guests were asked for their thoughts on how to speed the economic recovery, then the president opened the floor for over an hour on hot issues like hedge fund regulation and the deficit.
Mr. Obama, who enraged many financial industry executives a year and a half ago by labeling them “fat cats” and criticizing their bonuses, followed up the meeting with phone calls to those who could not attend.
The event, organized by the Democratic National Committee, kicked off an aggressive push by Mr. Obama to win back the allegiance of one of his most vital sources of campaign cash — in part by trying to convince Wall Street that his policies, far from undercutting the investor class, have helped bring banks and financial markets back to health.
Last month, Mr. Obama’s campaign manager, Jim Messina, traveled to New York for back-to-back meetings with Wall Street donors, ending at the home of Marc Lasry, a prominent hedge fund manager, to court donors close to Mr. Obama’s onetime rival, Hillary Rodham Clinton. And Mr. Obama will return to New York this month to dine with bankers, hedge fund executives and private equity investors at the Upper East Side restaurant Daniel.

“The first goal was to get recognition that the administration has led the economy from an unimaginably difficult place to where we are today,” said Blair W. Effron, an investment banker closely involved in Mr. Obama’s fund-raising efforts. “Now the second goal is to turn that into support.”
The president’s top financial industry supporters say they are confident that the support Mr. Obama needs will ultimately be there, despite the financial industry’s unhappiness over his efforts to tighten regulation of their businesses. But it is clear that those supporters will have to work much harder to win over the financial services industry than they did in 2008, before Wall Street’s bust, the subsequent clashes over policy and the sometimes bitter personal differences that lingered afterward.
Executives at large investment banks, a group that gave generously to Mr. Obama in his last campaign, are remaining on the sidelines for now. Only a small handful of such donors have appeared in Mr. Obama’s joint campaign filings with the Democratic National Committee, though officials there said more would appear in the coming weeks.
Some traditional heavy hitters in Democratic Wall Street fund-raising have stepped out of the game. They include Maureen White and her husband, Steven L. Rattner, a founder of the Quadrangle Group, whose Fifth Avenue living room was a critical conduit between Wall Street and Democratic candidates in the years before Mr. Rattner joined the Obama administration to help restructure the auto industry. The couple did not resume their old role after Mr. Rattner left government, and he was caught up last year in an investigation into kickbacks to New York’s state pension fund.
And even as some criticize the president for listening too closely, they say, to Wall Street on issues like the 2008 bailout and financial regulation, he has suffered some unusually public defections and criticism by some former Wall Street supporters, who view his policies and rhetoric as unfair to their industry. Many are Republicans whose support last time around burnished his image as a post-partisan problem solver.
And as Mr. Obama seeks to rebuild, Mitt Romney, a former Massachusetts governor who is seeking the Republican presidential nomination, is using his background as a venture capital executive and his policy proposals to woo financial-industry donors.
Last week, Mr. Romney held three fund-raisers in Greenwich, Conn., and New York, including a reception hosted by Anthony Scaramucci, a hedge fund manager who donated to Mr. Obama in 2008. Mr. Scaramucci said he wanted a president who embodied pragmatism and middle-of-the-road solutions. In 2008, that candidate was Mr. Obama, he said; today, it is Mr. Romney.
“He seemed like he was going to be a transformative candidate,” Mr. Scaramucci said of Mr. Obama in an interview. “I’m really not an ideological guy, and I think the country right now needs more practical, less partisan people.”
To offset those defections, Mr. Obama’s campaign has deployed a corps of loyal Wall Street supporters who have fanned out to defend the president’s record and stoke fatigued donors. They include Robert Wolf, the chief executive of UBS Group Americas; the hedge fund managers Orin S. Kramer and Eric Mindich; and Mark T. Gallogly, a co-founder of Centerbridge Partners.
Mr. Mindich and Mr. Wolf were among those at the White House meeting, along with some prominent names from the hedge fund world: James G. Dinan of York Capital Management, Glenn Dubin of Highbridge Capital Management and Paul Tudor Jones.
Members of the president’s economic team and his chief of staff, William M. Daley, a former banking executive, have been more active in reaching out to Wall Street executives about policy issues, donors said, along with Mr. Messina and Patrick Gaspard, the D.N.C.’s executive director.
The campaign and its allies are also seeking to recruit a new group of high-level bundlers, supporters who recruit other donors. They include Antonio Weiss, the global head of investment banking at Lazard; Charles Myers, a senior managing director at Evercore Partners; and James E. Staley, the head of JPMorgan Chase’s investment bank.
The campaign is also courting prominent Wall Street figures who could serve as Mr. Obama’s ambassadors at firms known for leaning Republican: Lenard B. Tessler, a managing director at Cerberus Capital who donated to Mr. Romney and Mrs. Clinton in 2008, and Hamilton E. James, the president of the private equity behemoth Blackstone.
“Fund-raising is certainly different than last time around in ’07,” Mr. Wolf said. “Not everybody on Wall Street agrees with the financial regulatory legislation. But as someone who witnessed firsthand the Lehman weekend at the New York Fed, there are certainly many of us in the financial services community, myself included, that fully support smart reforms.”
Still, there is skepticism. One Democratic financier invited to this month’s dinner, who asked for anonymity because he did not want to anger the White House, said it was ironic that the same president who once criticized bankers as “fat cats” would now invite them to dine at Daniel, where the six-course tasting menu runs to $195 a person.
The donor declined the invitation.
 
:smh::smh::smh:

u have a terribly simplistic and naive understanding of what's going on.

I know more about this than you will ever comprehend, and the bottomline is if dumb Americans did bite the poisoned carrot banks were dangling in front of them the economy wouldn't be so fucked up. Americans didn't give a fuck when "W" cut interest rates even though every economist warned them what would happen. Americans are selfish and greedy, and the bottomline is that you are mad at Obama because you can no longer spend beyond your means and hang yourselves like "W" allowed you to do. Now its time to stfu and pay the piper, because no one is feeling sorry for you.
 
the banks run things, get used to it. obama is just the guy they selected.

CACs are too stupid to organize and fight it. I used to get heated now I realize its better to just trade on the obvious bullshit and get rich.

fuck the american crakkka. they are braindead racist scum and deserve the fucking they are getting by the banksters :dance:

shit if I didn't hate getting up early I'd go get a job at Goldman Sachs to help accelerate the looting.
 
I know more about this than you will ever comprehend, and the bottomline is if dumb Americans did bite the poisoned carrot banks were dangling in front of them the economy wouldn't be so fucked up. Americans didn't give a fuck when "W" cut interest rates even though every economist warned them what would happen. Americans are selfish and greedy, and the bottomline is that you are mad at Obama because you can no longer spend beyond your means and hang yourselves like "W" allowed you to do. Now its time to stfu and pay the piper, because no one is feeling sorry for you.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

The irony is that you're the one swallowing the right wing rhetoric hook, line and sinker. Lemme guess, you think ACORN is the reason we had the financial crisis.

Go learn about securitization and come back when you have something to add to this discussion.
 
I know more about this than you will ever comprehend, and the bottomline is if dumb Americans did bite the poisoned carrot banks were dangling in front of them the economy wouldn't be so fucked up. Americans didn't give a fuck when "W" cut interest rates even though every economist warned them what would happen. Americans are selfish and greedy, and the bottomline is that you are mad at Obama because you can no longer spend beyond your means and hang yourselves like "W" allowed you to do. Now its time to stfu and pay the piper, because no one is feeling sorry for you.

And to show how dumb Americans are they wanted "change" and voted another puppet in. :lol: :lol: :lol:

CACs are silly as fuck. :smh: :smh: :smh: And make no mistake, CAC put Obama in office...We always vote Democrat.

But we live in a country where they are more concerned if you cheat on your wife than if you can do a could job. Would they choose their heart surgeon or lawyer by those credentials? What about their accountant or somebody to prepare their taxes?

These elite white CACs are playing the game. After Bush fucked up they put a black face on their problem of sucking more green from the American people.
 
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

The irony is that you're the one swallowing the right wing rhetoric hook, line and sinker. Lemme guess, you think ACORN is the reason we had the financial crisis.

Go learn about securitization and come back when you have something to add to this discussion.

I'm an independent, nothing about what I said is "right winged", it's plain and simply the truth. There are a plethora of Americans who didn't fall for this housing scam because we used common sense and read the fine print. Americans by default are bad human beings. Undisciplined, stupid, greedy and selfish. Smarter groups (such as banks) decided to capitalize off that. I can't say I really blame them, it was easy pickins.
 
I'm an independent, nothing about what I said is "right winged", it's plain and simply the truth. There are a plethora of Americans who didn't fall for this housing scam because we used common sense and read the fine print. Americans by default are bad human beings. Undisciplined, stupid, greedy and selfish. Smarter groups (such as banks) decided to capitalize off that. I can't say I really blame them, it was easy pickins.

bottom line you are using the wall street propaganda argument. and even if we accept your logic, you're ignoring the derivative bubble which is the true monster under the bed. wall street wrote trillions in derivatives that it didn't have capital to back. thats why they were able to blackmail congress by saying that letting the non-bank financial institutions fail would set off a massive chain of events.

btw the amount of fraud in the whole mortgage securitization chain is stunning. we're talking literally tens of thousands of felonies (fraud) not being punished.

the US economy is a joke. it is a big ponzi scheme.
 
bottom line you are using the wall street propaganda argument. and even if we accept your logic, you're ignoring the derivative bubble which is the true monster under the bed. wall street wrote trillions in derivatives that it didn't have capital to back. thats why they were able to blackmail congress by saying that letting the non-bank financial institutions fail would set off a massive chain of events.

btw the amount of fraud in the whole mortgage securitization chain is stunning. we're talking literally tens of thousands of felonies (fraud) not being punished.

the US economy is a joke. it is a big ponzi scheme.

I never let banks and wall street off the hook, of course they were complicit but you and other liberal idiots refuse to understand that they couldn't have pulled this off and tanked the economy without a mark, which was the American public.

Now I understand the rush one gets when they get over on a fool, do it enough and it becomes an addiction, so I can't fully knock wall street's hustle. All the American public has to do is pay attention half the time but keeping up with the Kardashians is more important.
 
bottom line you are using the wall street propaganda argument. and even if we accept your logic, you're ignoring the derivative bubble which is the true monster under the bed. wall street wrote trillions in derivatives that it didn't have capital to back. thats why they were able to blackmail congress by saying that letting the non-bank financial institutions fail would set off a massive chain of events.

btw the amount of fraud in the whole mortgage securitization chain is stunning. we're talking literally tens of thousands of felonies (fraud) not being punished.

the US economy is a joke. it is a big ponzi scheme.

What he said! See this article!

Bank Of America Faces New Probe; New York Attorney General Launches Investigation Into Mortgage Securitization [EXCLUSIVE]


New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has targeted Bank of America, the biggest U.S. bank by assets, in a new probe that questions the validity of potentially thousands of mortgage securities and their associated foreclosures, two people familiar with the matter said.

The investigation, which began quietly in recent weeks, is part of a larger inquiry that is scrutinizing whether mortgage companies and Wall Street firms took the necessary steps under New York state law when creating mortgage-backed securities, these people said, who requested anonymity because they weren't authorized to speak publicly about the probe.

Court testimony and independent studies have raised questions over whether banks and other financial firms passed along the required documents to trusts, the independent entities that oversee securities for investors. In some cases where trusts moved to seize borrowers' homes, judges have determined the trusts lacked legal standing due to faulty documentation.

The inquiry could prove explosive: Wall Street's great mortgage securitization machine took millions of home loans and bundled them into securities for sale to investors. If the legal steps that guide securitization -- like taking mortgage documents from one party to another, a critical step under New York law -- were not undertaken, then the investors who bought the bundled loans could force the companies to buy them back, compelling them to eat enormous losses.

New York state investigators could also find that those securities aren't valid financial instruments at all and take action under state law.

The probe is part of a comprehensive investigation into Wall Street's activities before and after the credit crisis undertaken by New York's top cop. Schneiderman, a Democrat who rode to office by pointing out Wall Street's misdeeds, requested documents earlier this year from Bank of America, the largest lender and mortgage servicer, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley regarding their mortgage operations.

But an investigation into whether the securities these companies created are even valid represents a new front in his ongoing probe and raises fresh questions into the potential liability sellers of these mortgage instruments face.
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Last November, the Congressional Oversight Panel, a federal watchdog created to keep tabs on the bailout, said widespread paperwork problems involving mortgage securities could cause the largest U.S. banks to swallow unknown billions in losses, threatening the stability of the financial system.

"If mortgages were not properly transferred in the securitization process, then mortgage-backed securities would in fact not be backed by any mortgages whatsoever," Adam J. Levitin, a bankruptcy expert and professor at Georgetown University Law Center, said at a House panel last November. Levitin said the problem could "cloud title to nearly every property in the United States" and could lead to trillions of dollars in losses.

The six largest U.S. banks, including Bank of America, Goldman and Morgan, currently hold nearly $668 billion in so-called Tier 1 capital, cash banks are required to hold as a backstop against unforeseen losses, Federal Reserve data as of March 31 show. All six companies are defined as "well capitalized" by federal bank regulators.

Schneiderman's inquiry also raises questions about the speed the Obama administration and a coalition of state attorneys general and bank regulators are moving towards a settlement agreement to resolve claims of widespread foreclosure abuse.

The states' top cops and representatives of the Department of Justice, Federal Trade Commission, Department of Housing and Urban Development and the Treasury Department are pushing the nation's largest mortgage companies to pay about $20 billion in a deal to end the months-long probes into shoddy and possibly illegal practices employed by Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo, Citigroup and Ally Financial.

While several investigations remain ongoing at the state and federal level, no agency has systematically examined loan-level documents to ensure the creation of mortgage securities complied with state laws or to examine the scope of sloppy paperwork in foreclosure proceedings, like the so-called "robo-signing" fiasco.

In its November report, the bailout watchdog said that the "robo-signing of affidavits served to cover up the fact that loan servicers cannot demonstrate the facts required to conduct a lawful foreclosure."

"In essence, banks may be unable to prove that they own the mortgage loans they claim to own," the panel said.

Sheila Bair, the chairman of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, said at a Senate panel last month that "flawed mortgage banking processes have potentially infected millions of foreclosures."

"The extent of the loss cannot be determined until there is a comprehensive review of the loan files and documentation of the process dealing with problem loans," she added.

Despite that appraisal, Bair, along with Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Shaun Donovan, secretary of Housing and Urban Development, have said they want a quick settlement.

Schneiderman's investigation of defective mortgage practices comes on the heels of public reports that Bank of America systematically failed to transfer essential documents to other entities in the daisy chain that turned home loans into securities to be sold on Wall Street.

A review of 104 New York foreclosure cases between 2006 and 2010 where Countrywide Financial made the original loan found that the nation's once-biggest home lender did not follow proper procedures in securitizing the mortgages, according to Abigail C. Field, a New York-based attorney who wrote a column about her findings for Fortune. Bank of America purchased Countrywide in 2008.

The review "calls into question the securitization of these loans," Field wrote. She added that the findings also raise questions over the right of investors to foreclose on the borrowers who defaulted on their loans since the mortgage securities may be invalid.

In a New Jersey bankruptcy case last November, a Bank of America executive, Linda DeMartini, testified that Countrywide routinely did not convey crucial documents for loans sold to investors.

The judge cited the testimony in dismissing the bank's claim against the borrower. Bank of America later said DeMartini essentially did not know what she was talking about.

The case caused an uproar in mortgage banking and securitization circles because if Countrywide held onto essential documents -- rather than pass them onto the entity representing investors who bought their securities -- then investors could question whether the security was legal and force Bank of America to buy the investments back.

Investors in mortgage securities, which include pension funds and insurance companies, are currently embroiled in numerous lawsuits and private actions to compel banks to repurchase faulty mortgages. Some of the lawsuits raise questions over such paperwork problems.

Danny Kanner, a spokesman for Schneiderman, declined to comment.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...gage-investigation-schneiderman_n_875681.html
 
bottom line you are using the wall street propaganda argument. and even if we accept your logic, you're ignoring the derivative bubble which is the true monster under the bed. wall street wrote trillions in derivatives that it didn't have capital to back. thats why they were able to blackmail congress by saying that letting the non-bank financial institutions fail would set off a massive chain of events.

btw the amount of fraud in the whole mortgage securitization chain is stunning. we're talking literally tens of thousands of felonies (fraud) not being punished.

the US economy is a joke. it is a big ponzi scheme.

dont make his head explode. he still thinks we're in this position because a couple niggaz lied about their income on the mortgage applications :smh::smh::smh:
 
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