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It's not like he's in good health and seemingly no one's getting groomed.

Nation Of Islam Leader Preps Final Speech

POSTED: 4:17 pm EST February 21, 2007
UPDATED: 4:30 pm EST February 21, 2007

DETROIT -- Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan is heading into what's billed as his final major address Sunday, and some Muslims are wondering if the fiery orator -- now slowed by poor health -- will try to repair old divisions between his movement and mainstream Islam.

Farrakhan's scheduled appearance at Ford Field, home of the NFL's Detroit Lions, will be his first since ceding leadership last year to an executive board because of illness.

The 73-year-old Farrakhan was released last month from the hospital after undergoing a 12-hour abdominal operation to correct damage caused by treatment for prostate cancer. A statement from the Nation at the time said Farrakhan "doesn't see himself coming before the public on such a major stage as we are preparing in Detroit." He might, however, honor lesser engagements.

The event will be a homecoming of sorts for the Nation of Islam movement, which promotes black empowerment and nationalism. It was founded in Detroit by Wallace D. Fard in 1930.

Fard attracted black Detroiters on the margins of society with a message of self-improvement and separation from whites, who he said were inherently evil because of their enslavement of blacks.

Farrakhan rebuilt the movement in the late 1970s after W.D. Mohammed, the son of longtime nation leader Elijah Muhammad, moved his followers toward mainstream Islam.

Farrakhan angered many Americans in the process.

He became notorious for his provocative comments, calling Judaism a "gutter religion" and suggesting crack cocaine might have been a CIA plot to enslave blacks. He met with foreign leaders at odds with the United States - Moammar Gadhafi, Fidel Castro and Saddam Hussein - prompting the State Department in 1996 to accuse him of "cavorting with dictators."

His closest brush with the political mainstream probably came in 1995, when he attracted hundreds of thousands of black men to Washington for the Million Man March.

Now, back in the Nation's birthplace, there's speculation about what Farrakhan's last major address could tackle. The topic of Sunday's speech, capping a series of meeting that start Friday, is "One Nation Under God."

"We have been told that Minister Farrakhan is going to be making a big announcement at this meeting," though it's not known what he will say, said Dawud Walid, executive director of the Michigan branch of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

The Nation and orthodox Islam diverge on several key beliefs. While mainstream Islam holds that Muhammad was God's last prophet, Nation of Islam had taught that God came in the form of Fard decades ago in Detroit.

Farrakhan has downplayed many of those teachings in recent years, adopting some mainstream Muslim traditions and embracing W. D. Mohammed on stage in 2000 after years of discord. Mohammed also visited Farrakhan recently during his recovery, a Nation of Islam official said.

Farrakhan has credited his mollified outlook to what he called a "near death" experience related to his prostate cancer, which he began battling in 1991. A sign of his softer approach came in 2005, at a Washington rally for the Millions More Movement. Unlike the Million Man March a decade earlier, which was for black men only, the rally was open to men and women of all races.

"In the course of his career, I have to say, the external gaze of others generally has not been at the top of the list of what he's worried about," said Melissa Harris-Lacewell, a professor of politics and African-American studies at Princeton University. But, "it's late in his life, he's ill. There are questions of legacy. All of that tends to soften a leader, encourages them to think beyond self-aggrandizing choices."

In Detroit, some blacks who practice mainstream Islam say a shared history and personal ties with the Nation have united the groups in worship and work. Mitchell Shamsud-Din, a founding member of the orthodox Muslim Center in Detroit who runs its community service programs, is like thousands of Detroit-area Muslims who came to orthodox Islam through the Nation.

"There's a friendship and brotherhood between our two groups," said Shamsud-Din, whose projects include Nation of Islam volunteers.

"We work with Christians, and they believe Jesus is God," he said. "Why wouldn't we work with a Muslim brother who has another difference?"

Nation leaders won't say how many members the movement, now based in Chicago, has locally or nationally - though the Council on American-Islamic Relations and others have estimated it has between 10,000 and 50,000 followers in the U.S. and no more than 1,000 in southeastern Michigan, according to Sally Howell, a University of Michigan researcher who specializes in the local Islamic and Arab-American communities.

Jimmy Jones, a religion professor at Manhattanville College, who is Muslim and studies Islam, was skeptical about Farrakhan's willingness to change. While the Nation of Islam has adopted some mainstream Muslim practices, it remains essentially a race-based movement, he said.

"I think this is an organization that consistently, in my observation, has tried to have it both ways - that is, gain legitimacy with the broader Muslim world and spread a message that is essentially about race," Jones said. "It is not a program that represents what most of the more than 1 billion Muslims in the world would recognize."
Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.wnbc.com/nationalnews/index.html
 
To live through the civil rights movement and witness the decent of black culture would make any leader feel as though he failed. MLK and Malcolm got lucky. I don’t think they would have approved of our culture as it is today.
 
damn... I really wish that brotha well. He was a soldier for Black people whether they embraced him or not- now that's love. :yes:


Our generation has been blessed with some great prophets (Dr. Khalid, Farrakhan, Dr. Ben, to name a few), if we never receive another, its because we don't deserve it.
 
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sike, man to tell ya the truth we dont need any "leaders" the whites,asians, indians, etc. dont need any damn leaders! shit we always lookin for someone to do the work for us

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JUju2005 said:
To live through the civil rights movement and witness the decent of black culture
would make any leader feel as though he failed.
MLK and Malcolm got lucky.
I don’t think they would have approved of our culture as it is today.​

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:hmm:
 
they got leaders looking out for them already.. called Senator, President, Sec. of Defense....



NativeSon said:
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sike, man to tell ya the truth we dont need any "leaders" the whites,asians, indians, etc. dont need any damn leaders! shit we always lookin for someone to do the work for us

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If any of you would take a sunday and visit one of the Nation's mosque you'd know that the question is stupid. The Nation doesn't run like the NAACP or any of these other groups. There is no question of who will be the next anything. There isn't any next in line set up. If Farrakhan goes on, you will have much much bigger problems to deal with. You may or may not believe it, but Farrakhan is the only one standing us between all hell breaking out in this country.
 
He became notorious for his provocative comments, calling Judaism a "gutter religion"

Now I was apart of the organization back when this was mentioned and in fact I was sitting in the audience at the time and everytime I see this in print, I bristle. Min Farrakhan NEVER SAID Judaism was a gutter religion!

ok. I'm done with my rant.

carry on!

-VG
 
true i remember that speach, it was in 84', he never even used the term "gutter". he said "dirty". and the quote was about Israel (the country) not having peace and will never have peace using because they are using injustice, lying, theivery and deceit using god's name to shield their dirty religion.


VegasGuy said:
Now I was apart of the organization back when this was mentioned and in fact I was sitting in the audience at the time and everytime I see this in print, I bristle. Min Farrakhan NEVER SAID Judaism was a gutter religion!

ok. I'm done with my rant.

carry on!

-VG
 
THE THING I FIND THE MOST DISTURBING ABOUT THIS IS
MINISTER FARRAKAHN TRIED TO EDUCATE, FEED, CLOTHE, INSTRUCT, PLEAD,
AND MINISTER, TO A PEOPLE THAT SAY WE DONT NEED HIM OR HISWAYS
YET WE CONTINUE TO SPIRAL DOWNWARD AT AN ALARMING RATE.

HOW CAN A MAN THAT ATTEMPTS TO SHOW A BETTER WAY OF LIFE BY
BEING SELF SUFFICIENT BE CONDEMMED BY PEOPLE OF COLOR
SOME PEOPLE THINK HE IS A PERSON THAT GETS RICH OFF THE LABOR OF BLACKS.
I DISAGREE........
BUT EVEN IF HE IS .......GUESS WHAT
SO IS THE WHITE MAN ...EVERYDAY , ALL DAY
AND HE ISNT TRYING TO TELL YOU HOW TO SURVIVE IN THIS HYPOCRITICAL SOCIETY WE LIVE IN RIGHT NOW ,THAT IS SO FILLED WITH HATRED FOR US
WHILE WE CONTINUE TO SEEK THEIR ACCEPTANCE.

THIS SADDENS ME
THERE ARE TOO MANY SLUMBERING BLACK PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY
AND THEY WIL NOT AWAKEN UNTIL SOMTHING HAPPENS.

NO PROACTIVITY
ONLY REACTIVITY.......BY THEN ITS USUALLY TOO LATE.

THOSE THAT THINK WE DONT NEED A VOICE
AND DONT NEED PEOPLE LIKE MINISTER FARRAKAHN
WILL SOON SEE HOW UNTRUE THAT IS.

WHEN THE FARRAKAHNS AND SHARPTONS OF THE WORLD ARE GONE
THE INJUSTICES WILL GO UNCHECKED AND OR EVEN UNNOTICED AND
WE WILL SOON BE BACK TO SLAVERY ON A WHOLE NEW LEVEL.

ANY MAN THAT HAS SURVIVED
AS MANY DIFFICULT BATTLES OF RACE AND COLOR
SURVIVED LIES AND DECIET ON GLOBAL LEVELS
AND HAS BEEN BETRAYED BY HIS OWN PEOPLE
DESERVES A LITTLE MORE RESPECT.

BUT THEN AGAIN....WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT FROM BLACK PEOPLE ?:mad:
 
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xeon said:
If any of you would take a sunday and visit one of the Nation's mosque you'd know that the question is stupid. The Nation doesn't run like the NAACP or any of these other groups. There is no question of who will be the next anything. There isn't any next in line set up. If Farrakhan goes on, you will have much much bigger problems to deal with. You may or may not believe it, but Farrakhan is the only one standing us between all hell breaking out in this country.

Explain...
Farrakhan is standing between who and what exactly?
If you are not NOI, what is Farrakhan's significance at all, but as a sometimes far left pundit?
 
yea people like Dert Bagg...



TRUFICTION said:
THE THING I FIND THE MOST DISTURBING ABOUT THIS IS
MINISTER FARRAKAHN TRIED TO EDUCATE, FEED, CLOTHE, INSTRUCT, PLEAD,
AND MINISTER, TO A PEOPLE THAT SAY WE DONT NEED HIM OR HISWAYS
YET WE CONTINUE TO SPIRAL DOWNWARD AT AN ALARMING RATE.

HOW CAN A MAN THAT ATTEMPTS TO SHOW A BETTER WAY OF LIFE BY
BEING SELF SUFFICIENT BE CONDEMMED BY PEOPLE OF COLOR
SOME PEOPLE THINK HE IS A PERSON THAT GETS RICH OFF THE LABOR OF BLACKS.
I DISAGREE........
BUT EVEN IF HE IS .......GUESS WHAT
SO IS THE WHITE MAN ...EVERYDAY , ALL DAY
AND HE ISNT TRYING TO TELL YOU HOW TO SURVIVE IN THIS HYPOCRITICAL SOCIETY WE LIVE IN RIGHT NOW ,THAT IS SO FILLED WITH HATRED FOR US
WHILE WE CONTINUE TO SEEK THEIR ACCEPTANCE.

THIS SADDENS ME
THERE ARE TOO MANY SLUMBERING BLACK PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY
AND THEY WIL NOT AWAKEN UNTIL SOMTHING HAPPENS.

NO PROACTIVITY
ONLY REACTIVITY.......BY THEN ITS USUALLY TOO LATE.

THOSE THAT THINK WE DONT NEED A VOICE
AND DONT NEED PEOPLE LIKE MINISTER FARRAKAHN
WILL SOON SEE HOW UNTRUE THAT IS.

WHEN THE FARRAKAHNS AND SHARPTONS OF THE WORLD ARE GONE
THE INJUSTICES WILL GO UNCHECKED AND OR EVEN UNNOTICED AND
WE WILL SOON BE BACK TO SLAVERY ON A WHOLE NEW LEVEL.

ANY MAN THAT HAS SURVIVED
AS MANY DIFFICULT BATTLES OF RACE AND COLOR
SURVIVED LIES AND DECIET ON GLOBAL LEVELS
AND HAS BEEN BETRAYED BY HIS OWN PEOPLE
DESERVES A LITTLE MORE RESPECT.

BUT THEN AGAIN....WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT FROM BLACK PEOPLE ?:sad:
 
JUju2005 said:
To live through the civil rights movement and witness the decent of black culture would make any leader feel as though he failed. MLK and Malcolm got lucky. I don’t think they would have approved of our culture as it is today.
Very true.
 
xeon said:
If any of you would take a sunday and visit one of the Nation's mosque you'd know that the question is stupid. The Nation doesn't run like the NAACP or any of these other groups. There is no question of who will be the next anything. There isn't any next in line set up. If Farrakhan goes on, you will have much much bigger problems to deal with. You may or may not believe it, but Farrakhan is the only one standing us between all hell breaking out in this country.
You ended this paragrah like this for dramatic effect. Now you need to elaborate your point or all that you said here doesn't mean a damn thing. Please explain
 
NubiaNectar said:
You ended this paragrah like this for dramatic effect. Now you need to elaborate your point or all that you said here doesn't mean a damn thing. Please explain


Trufiction put it down. The only thing he left out is how Farrakhan does what he does. He's not a person who just decided to be a leader his teacher made him what he is. Not only has he been working since the 50's but he just had a 12 hour surgery last month and is still working like a true soldier. Many people who say they like Farrakhan still made every excuse to reject him, the Nation and his teacher.

Some people dig Farrakhan until he talks about the baby planes. But if you go to the library and look up old newspapers and shit, you'll find out that they follow him. It was no accident that while Farrakhan was about to go into surgery Chicago was buzzing about seeing them over the O'Hare in broad fucking daylight. They line up in areas that are significant to the Nation all the time. They're not space aliens at all. The bottom line is that Black people in america where given a second chance to accept Elijah Muhammad and the God he represented and in a big way we are turning him down. Most are so busy making up excuses to not learn and do more they dont even give the Nation a fair shot. So shit like Katrina will happen again because you refuse to believe that the white man is the devil. Black wannabe leaders who talk sideways about Farrakhan like he doesn't know are gonna catch that same fire because like him or not, he is the chosen one.


The Nation teaches that there is no pie in the sky God. The Nation taught the world that there is no such thing as a mystery God and that the Blackman is the true and living God of the universe. God came and chose Black people in america to be his people because we are that special to him. But we gave him the finger while Elijah Muhammad was here, and we're giving him the finger while Farrakhan is were. Now how you think the God is going to deal with that? I'll tell you like Farrakhan tells you. He's going to say " You all don't wanna be my people? You all still want to love white people? Fine I'll turn them lose on you"
 
xeon said:
The Nation teaches that there is no pie in the sky God. The Nation taught the world that there is no such thing as a mystery God and that the Blackman is the true and living God of the universe.

...And then in a move that was stunning for its sheer stupidity, the NOI paralyzed thousands of Black Men by having them stand on the corner for hours each day selling newspapers. Rather than just distribute The Final Call through traditional newsstands like every other magazine from Newsweek to Shaved Beaver the NOI took eager young black men and kept them occupied raising tens of dollars selling a newspaper.

Seriously, the KKK couldn't have come up with a better way to keep the Black Man busy doing nothing of consequence.
 
Donmega said:
...And then in a move that was stunning for its sheer stupidity, the NOI paralyzed thousands of Black Men by having them stand on the corner for hours each day selling newspapers. Rather than just distribute The Final Call through traditional newsstands like every other magazine from Newsweek to Shaved Beaver the NOI took eager young black men and kept them occupied raising tens of dollars selling a newspaper.

Seriously, the KKK couldn't have come up with a better way to keep the Black Man busy doing nothing of consequence.


And the town fool steps up to make the point. The Nation had and has schools teaching little children advanced subjects, businesses and professionals.

But like I said instead of finding out the truth. Niggas make excuses.
 
Be honest Xeon. Would you take an educated 25 year old black man and have him stand on a corner for hours every day selling a newspaper. Can you honestly say that that does anything at all to uplift the black race.

It made no sense in the 60's and it makes even less sense today when you can easily reach millions of people via the web.
 
Donmega said:
Be honest Xeon. Would you take an educated 25 year old black man and have him stand on a corner for hours every day selling a newspaper. Can you honestly say that that does anything at all to uplift the black race.

It made no sense in the 60's and it makes even less sense today when you can easily reach millions of people via the web.

The Nation isn't about feel good speeches. There is a shit load work that needs to be done. You have to reach people where they are. Some people get knowledge and act all holier than thou like their too good to talk to that brother wearing a white T and letting his chain hang low. I know brothers that have hooked people up with jobs and places to live while selling the paper. There's a science to it all. That brother you see on the corner maybe a engineer, pre med, or just a hard working man. But they're all willing to do the work that it takes to get our people.
 
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...
 
I dont know how NOI are in other cities, but here and Oakland they are the some of the most corrupt thugs in the city.A friend of mine is a Muslim and says they dont practice half of the Islamic tradition.
 
xeon said:
If any of you would take a sunday and visit one of the Nation's mosque you'd know that the question is stupid. The Nation doesn't run like the NAACP or any of these other groups. There is no question of who will be the next anything. There isn't any next in line set up. If Farrakhan goes on, you will have much much bigger problems to deal with. You may or may not believe it, but Farrakhan is the only one standing us between all hell breaking out in this country.
NubiaNectar said:
You ended this paragrah like this for dramatic effect. Now you need to elaborate your point or all that you said here doesn't mean a damn thing. Please explain
xeon said:
Trufiction put it down. The only thing he left out is how Farrakhan does what he does. He's not a person who just decided to be a leader his teacher made him what he is. Not only has he been working since the 50's but he just had a 12 hour surgery last month and is still working like a true soldier. Many people who say they like Farrakhan still made every excuse to reject him, the Nation and his teacher.

Some people dig Farrakhan until he talks about the baby planes. But if you go to the library and look up old newspapers and shit, you'll find out that they follow him. It was no accident that while Farrakhan was about to go into surgery Chicago was buzzing about seeing them over the O'Hare in broad fucking daylight. They line up in areas that are significant to the Nation all the time. They're not space aliens at all. The bottom line is that Black people in america where given a second chance to accept Elijah Muhammad and the God he represented and in a big way we are turning him down. Most are so busy making up excuses to not learn and do more they dont even give the Nation a fair shot. So shit like Katrina will happen again because you refuse to believe that the white man is the devil. Black wannabe leaders who talk sideways about Farrakhan like he doesn't know are gonna catch that same fire because like him or not, he is the chosen one.


The Nation teaches that there is no pie in the sky God. The Nation taught the world that there is no such thing as a mystery God and that the Blackman is the true and living God of the universe. God came and chose Black people in america to be his people because we are that special to him. But we gave him the finger while Elijah Muhammad was here, and we're giving him the finger while Farrakhan is were. Now how you think the God is going to deal with that? I'll tell you like Farrakhan tells you. He's going to say " You all don't wanna be my people? You all still want to love white people? Fine I'll turn them lose on you"
I don't believe in a God in Heaven either. Christianity, Catholicism, Baptists, Protestants, Jehovahs, Judaism, Islamists, it's all the same food with different seasoning and I subscribe to none of it. My beliefs are beyond all of it. I don't knock or criticize anyone who believes in religion but I won't put my views out here because I know they will be hated on and laughed at...especially on THIS board.

Suffice it to say, I believe that Louis Farrakhan is "The Chosen One" as much as I believe that Damien was The Anti Christ. Don't know nothing about Baby Planes or the such but if I were the government and had a man going around telling people that the government is out to get them I'd damn sure be watching his every move. And I damn sure believe the gubment is out to get us.

It aint Farrakhan nor The Pope nor The Imam who stands between us and Hell. WE ALREADY THERE we just to fucked up to know it...blinded by bling, deafened and dumbed down by the garbage seen on TV, corrupted by the wants of consumerism and what we'll do (to each other) to have and keep those possessions. We are a lost people but it's not because we lack the teachings of Allah or any other group worshiped entity of a different name.

We lack an identity and a relationship with, and culture from, our Mother Land, which causes us to be easily exploited as a people, ethnicity, race. And aint no false prophet who can't connect our NOW to our THEN gonna get us to The Promised Land. The people of the world are sheep to be guided and slaughtered. Only The Chosen Few who seek out their purpose and meaning as individuals will become enlightened and uplifted. Group religion may be a start but it DAMN SHO AINT the end all be all
 
you niggas aint gotta like Farrakhan. muufukkas didn't like Jesus when he was around either, they are both Black Revolutionary Messiahs that yall love to hate. Bottom line, yall aint doing shit for the overall good of the people, so yall have no room to throw stones. Al Sharpton, Farrakhan, Malcolm X, Dr. King (to name a few), have dedicated their lives to making your pathetic lives just a lil bit better than it was yesterday and yesteryear. For that alone, they deserve a little fucking respect from you half dead, pussified, ignorant, lame ass, boot licking knee-grows. fuck yall, and the bitches that gave birth to yall cowards.
 
TRUFICTION said:
THE THING I FIND THE MOST DISTURBING ABOUT THIS IS
MINISTER FARRAKAHN TRIED TO EDUCATE, FEED, CLOTHE, INSTRUCT, PLEAD,
AND MINISTER, TO A PEOPLE THAT SAY WE DONT NEED HIM OR HISWAYS
YET WE CONTINUE TO SPIRAL DOWNWARD AT AN ALARMING RATE.

HOW CAN A MAN THAT ATTEMPTS TO SHOW A BETTER WAY OF LIFE BY
BEING SELF SUFFICIENT BE CONDEMMED BY PEOPLE OF COLOR
SOME PEOPLE THINK HE IS A PERSON THAT GETS RICH OFF THE LABOR OF BLACKS.
I DISAGREE........
BUT EVEN IF HE IS .......GUESS WHAT
SO IS THE WHITE MAN ...EVERYDAY , ALL DAY
AND HE ISNT TRYING TO TELL YOU HOW TO SURVIVE IN THIS HYPOCRITICAL SOCIETY WE LIVE IN RIGHT NOW ,THAT IS SO FILLED WITH HATRED FOR US
WHILE WE CONTINUE TO SEEK THEIR ACCEPTANCE.

THIS SADDENS ME
THERE ARE TOO MANY SLUMBERING BLACK PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY
AND THEY WIL NOT AWAKEN UNTIL SOMTHING HAPPENS.

NO PROACTIVITY
ONLY REACTIVITY.......BY THEN ITS USUALLY TOO LATE.

THOSE THAT THINK WE DONT NEED A VOICE
AND DONT NEED PEOPLE LIKE MINISTER FARRAKAHN
WILL SOON SEE HOW UNTRUE THAT IS.

WHEN THE FARRAKAHNS AND SHARPTONS OF THE WORLD ARE GONE
THE INJUSTICES WILL GO UNCHECKED AND OR EVEN UNNOTICED AND
WE WILL SOON BE BACK TO SLAVERY ON A WHOLE NEW LEVEL.

ANY MAN THAT HAS SURVIVED
AS MANY DIFFICULT BATTLES OF RACE AND COLOR
SURVIVED LIES AND DECIET ON GLOBAL LEVELS
AND HAS BEEN BETRAYED BY HIS OWN PEOPLE
DESERVES A LITTLE MORE RESPECT.

BUT THEN AGAIN....WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT FROM BLACK PEOPLE ?:mad:


THIS IS REAL TALK RIGHT HERE....!!!
 
divine said:
you niggas aint gotta like Farrakhan. muufukkas didn't like Jesus when he was around either, they are both Black Revolutionary Messiahs that yall love to hate. Bottom line, yall aint doing shit for the overall good of the people, so yall have no room to throw stones. Al Sharpton, Farrakhan, Malcolm X, Dr. King (to name a few), have dedicated their lives to making your pathetic lives just a lil bit better than it was yesterday and yesteryear. For that alone, they deserve a little fucking respect from you half dead, pussified, ignorant, lame ass, boot licking knee-grows. fuck yall, and the bitches that gave birth to yall cowards.

If Farrakhan and his teachings did ^this^ for you...I'm straight homey.

I judge Farrakhan, as a leader, based on where he wants to lead us. I've never said a bad thing about the man...he is on the short list of 20th Century folks who have dedicated their public lives to the issues of African Americans. He has put in work. But we differ significantly in ideologically, consequently he is not MY leader. Farrakhan is a separatist, and leaving any moral judgments of that aside, IMO, he provides the least pragmatic approach to reconciling our past with our future in this country. That's it. (But, if you'd like to actually answer some of the questions posed in this thread already --without the insults-- be my guest).
 
Dert Bagg said:
If Farrakhan and his teachings did ^this^ for you...I'm straight homey.

I judge Farrakhan, as a leader, based on where he wants to lead us. I've never said a bad thing about the man...he is on the short list of 20th Century folks who have dedicated their public lives to the issues of African Americans. He has put in work. But we differ significantly in ideologically, consequently he is not MY leader. Farrakhan is a separatist, and leaving any moral judgments of that aside, IMO, he provides the least pragmatic approach to reconciling our past with our future in this country. That's it. (But, if you'd like to actually answer some of the questions posed in this thread already --without the insults-- be my guest).

IM NOT IN THE NATION AND DONT IDENTIFY WITH ANY OTHER RELIGION
BUT I STILL SAY HE HAS TRIED TO ASSIST BLACK PEOPLE TO BECOME MENTALLY, PHYSICALLY AND SOCIALLY STABLE AND RESPONSIBLE,
ESPECIALLY TO FAMILY.

HE AINT BEGGIN ANYBODY TO JOIN THE NATION.
HES JUST TRYING TO GET CATS TO WAKE UP.
WE CONTINUE TO HONOR A CONTRACT WITH A LIAR AND A CHEAT.
THATS CHEATING AND LYING RIGHT INTO OUT FACE.

WE ARE IN AN ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP AND DONT KNOW HOW TO GET OUT.
HE CONSTANTLY TRIES TO TELL US HOW AND WE WONT LISTEN.

SINCE YOU THINK HIS METHODS DONT WORK
DO YOU HAVE A BETTER SOLUTION ?
KEEP IN MIND HIS METHODS NEVER GOT A CHANCE TO EVEN BE TRIED
BECAUSE OF LACK OF SUPPORT FROM PEOPLE OF COLOR
WHO BEGG TO ASSIMILATE TOO AND BE ACCEPTED INTO WHITE SOCIETY.

YOU ARE RIGHT HE IS A SEPERATIST.
BUT ASK YOURSELF WHY.
THE PROBLEM IS PEOPLE WANT TO TRY TO WORK WITHIN
THE FRAMEWORK OF WHAT WE ARE TOLD IS CORRECT AND
ULTIMATELY AMERICAN.

GUESS WHAT....THE SHIT AINT WORKIN
JUST ASK THE NATIVE INDIANS.
ALL THE MAN EVER TRIED TO TELL YOU IS DONT TRUST A LIAR
BUT WE WONT BELIEVE HIM SO.........WHOS IS THE SMART ONE ?
 
TRUFICTION said:
IM NOT IN THE NATION AND DONT IDENTIFY WITH ANY OTHER RELIGION
BUT I STILL SAY HE HAS TRIED TO ASSIST BLACK PEOPLE TO BECOME MENTALLY, PHYSICALLY AND SOCIALLY STABLE AND RESPONSIBLE,
ESPECIALLY TO FAMILY.

I agree.

HE AINT BEGGIN ANYBODY TO JOIN THE NATION.
HES JUST TRYING TO GET CATS TO WAKE UP.
WE CONTINUE TO HONOR A CONTRACT WITH A LIAR AND A CHEAT.
THATS CHEATING AND LYING RIGHT INTO OUT FACE.
WE ARE IN AN ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP AND DONT KNOW HOW TO GET OUT.
HE CONSTANTLY TRIES TO TELL US HOW AND WE WONT LISTEN.

What is is plan for getting out of this abusive relationship with this lying and cheating nation? Mostly, I'm familiar with his rhetoric -- the separatist talking points. But, what exactly does Farrakhan suggest black folks do to to enact his separatist agenda and remove the "powder keg" from the doomed house?

SINCE YOU THINK HIS METHODS DONT WORK
DO YOU HAVE A BETTER SOLUTION ?
KEEP IN MIND HIS METHODS NEVER GOT A CHANCE TO EVEN BE TRIED
BECAUSE OF LACK OF SUPPORT FROM PEOPLE OF COLOR
WHO BEGG TO ASSIMILATE TOO AND BE ACCEPTED INTO WHITE SOCIETY.

I think his methods are fine for those who need or want to use utilize them. (And by "methods," I only mean the culture of NOI, becuase I'm not aware of other plans the minister has for folks) The Nation has done a lot in the lives of folks (men especially) who need structure, guidance and shot at dignity. But, for me and my folks, education and hard work do just as well to move us along without the religiosity, hate speech, and polarizing rhetoric (again just my preference). That is my better solution. But it all depends on what you want out of life. But, if education is whitening, and cultural reconciliation is oreo assimilation, then, from that perspective, the NOI will give you a better shot at actualizing your chosen self. I am grateful that NOI is there for folks who would be lost but for its example.

YOU ARE RIGHT HE IS A SEPERATIST.
BUT ASK YOURSELF WHY.
THE PROBLEM IS PEOPLE WANT TO TRY TO WORK WITHIN
THE FRAMEWORK OF WHAT WE ARE TOLD IS CORRECT AND
ULTIMATELY AMERICAN.

I know why he is a separatist. He hates white supremacy and the effect it has had on black folks and he believes that the only remedy is for black folks to separate our selves from white folks and this nation. This is fantasy, IMO. Separate to where? Start over based on what? The Q'uran? (Does the Yakub interpretation come with us?) To the extent that black folks don't have the same political interests or social values, do we need to create separate provinces for Black Christians, Black Buddhists, Black Capitalists :eek: ?? Wherever we are we need to learn to think critically about our selves and our political circumstances realistically. And I'm afraid that the United Provinces of The NOI is neither a realistic political prospect or one that will rescue us from the disagreement and disfunction that plagues us now.

More power or Farrakhan and his disciples; but, if that bruh has the answer for the race, then I really don't understand the question.
 
Dert Bagg said:
I agree.

What is is plan for getting out of this abusive relationship with this lying and cheating nation? Mostly, I'm familiar with his rhetoric -- the separatist talking points. But, what exactly does Farrakhan suggest black folks do to to enact his separatist agenda and remove the "powder keg" from the doomed house?

I think his methods are fine for those who need or want to use utilize. (And by "methods," I only mean the culture of NOI, becuase I'm not aware of other plans the minister has for folks) The Nation has done a lot in the lives of folks (men especially) who need structure, guidance and shot at dignity. But, for me and my folks, education and hard work do just as well to move us along without the religiosity, hate speech, and polarizing rhetoric (again just my preference). That is my better solution. But it all depends on what you want out of life. But, if education is whitening, and cultural reconciliation is oreo assimilation, then, from that perspective, the NOI will give you a better shot at actualizing your chosen self. I am grateful that NOI is there for folks who would be lost but for its example.

I know why he is a separatist. He hates white supremacy and the effect it has had on black folks and he believes that the only remedy is for black folks to separate our selves from this white folks and this nation. This is fantasy, IMO. Separate to where? Start over based on what? The Q'uran? (Does the Yakub interpretation come with us?) To the extent that black folks don't have the same political interests or social values, do we need to create separate provinces for Black Christians, Black Buddhists, Black Capitalists :eek: ?? Wherever we are we need to learn to think critically about our selves and our political circumstances realistically. And I'm afraid that the United Provinces of The NOI is neither a realistic political prospect or one that will rescue us from the disagreement and disfunction that plagues us now.

More power or Farrakhan and his disciples; but, if that bruh has the answer for the race, then I really don't understand the question.

HOW CAN ANY OF US UNDERSTAND WHAT IS POSSIBLE
IF WE DONT EVEN LISTEN
AND READ TOO MUCH INTO IT ON THE FRONT END

THE MAN WAS RAISED A BAPTIST NOW A
MUSLIM AND A WELL STUDIED THEOLOGIAN
HE IS NOT ASKING PEOPLE TO ABANDON THEIR PREFERANCE OF WORSHIP
WHEN IT COMES TO SPIRITUALITY
BUT HE IS ASKING FOR US NOT TO WORSHIP THE ONES THAT ARE SYSTEMATICALLY KILLING OUR PEOPLE.

I TAKE HIM TO MEAN
FOR US TO BECOME BETTER BY WORKING ON SELF AND COME TOGETHER AS A PEOPLE THE SAME WAY JEWS AND ASIANS AND MANY OTHERS DO
WE ARE A LOST PEOPLE THAT THINK WE CAN FIND OUR OWN WAY.
ITS KIND OF LIKE BEING INTOXICATED AND THINKING THAT YOU ARE
MORE RATIONAL AND CRITICAL WHILE YOURE HIGH.

UNTIL WE DO THAT WE CANT ASK FOR OR DEMAND ANYTHING FROM OUR GOVERNMENT OR THE POWERS THAT BE.
FUNNY SHIT ISWHY DO WE HAVE TO ASK OR DEMAND ANYTHING ?
WE CONSTANTLY GIVE AWAY ALL OUR POWER.
THEN WE PUBLICALLY TURN ON OUR OWN PEOPLE OF STATURE IN THE COMMUNITY

THEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE LIKE COSBY WHO WOULD RATHER DIVIDE OUR PEOPLE INSTEAD OF TEACHING THAT WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER AND ASSIST ONE ANOTHER THROUGH COMMUNITY AMOUNG OTHER THINGS.
HE IMO, IS MORE DESTRUCTIVE THAN HE IS HELPFUL.

IF YOU NOTICE
FARRAKAHN DOESNT TALK TO PEOPLE THAT DONT CARE TO LISTEN
HE HAS BEEN SAYING FOR YEARS, THE SAME THINGS COSBY HAS SAID
BUT WE DONT WANT TO HEAR IT BECAUSE OF WHO THE MESENGER IS.

WHAT MAKES HIM WRONG AND COSBY RIGHT ?

MORE PEOPLE NEED TO HEAR THE MAN OUT AND NOT TRY TO USE HIS BELIEF SYSTEM TO CONDEM HIM AND HIS POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS.
HE HAS DONE MORE THAN COSBY FOR HE COMMUNITY BUT IS
MAKE A JOKE OF BECAUSE OF HIS RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.
HOW FUCKED UP IS THAT
PEOPLE ARE SHEEP.....PERIOD

I DONT WANT TO KEEP GOING WITH THIS SHIT
THIS HORSE IS ALREADY DEAD AS FUCK.
SHIT IS TIRING......WHY KNOCK A MAN THAT TRIES TO HELP ?
ILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THAT

HE PROVIDES INFORMATION THAT YOU WILL NOT RECIEVE THROUGH THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA

HE HAS CREATTED JOBS IN COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY

HE HAS SAVE MANY A BROTHER FROM THEMSELVES AND PROBABLY SAVED
EVEN MORE VICTIMS FROM THESE PEOPLE HE GAVE A LIFE TOO.

HE HAS BATTLED IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS ARENA LIKE A GLADIATOR FOR DECADES AND ALL THEY CAN DO IS SPIT HATE BACK AT HIM BECAUSE
UNFORTUNATLY FOR THEM HES NOT BEEN WRONG YET.
IN OTHER WORDS THE TRUTH HURTS.

NO ONE FROM ANY OPPOSING TEAM WILL SIT AND DEBATE HIM WITHOUT
NAME CALLING AND LIES BECAUSE THEY CANT....THE TRUTH WILL ALWAYS PREVAIL.

PEOPLE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CRITICALLY LISTENING,
THE PROBLEM IS PEOPLE SEE ONLY WHAT THEY WANT TOO.

THATS WHY I ADMIRE PEOPLE LIKE HIM
HE HAS DONE THIS SHIT FOR DECADES
FOR UNATTENTIVE PEOPLE AND NEVER GAVE UP.

THATS WHAT I CALL STRENGTH.
THEY DONT MAKE THEM THAT WAY ANYMORE.

THANKS FOR THE DIALOGUE
BUT IM DONE
THATS WHY IM NOT A CIVIL RIGHTS LEADER
CAUSE YALL WOULD PISS ME OFF TOO MUCH:lol:
 
TRUFICTION said:
HOW CAN ANY OF US UNDERSTAND WHAT IS POSSIBLE
IF WE DONT EVEN LISTEN
AND READ TOO MUCH INTO IT ON THE FRONT END

THE MAN WAS RAISED A BAPTIST NOW A
MUSLIM AND A WELL STUDIED THEOLOGIAN
HE IS NOT ASKING PEOPLE TO ABANDON THEIR PREFERANCE OF WORSHIP
WHEN IT COMES TO SPIRITUALITY
BUT HE IS ASKING FOR US NOT TO WORSHIP THE ONES THAT ARE SYSTEMATICALLY KILLING OUR PEOPLE.

I TAKE HIM TO MEAN
FOR US TO BECOME BETTER BY WORKING ON SELF AND COME TOGETHER AS A PEOPLE THE SAME WAY JEWS AND ASIANS AND MANY OTHERS DO
WE ARE A LOST PEOPLE THAT THINK WE CAN FIND OUR OWN WAY.
ITS KIND OF LIKE BEING INTOXICATED AND THINKING THAT YOU ARE
MORE RATIONAL AND CRITICAL WHILE YOURE HIGH.

UNTIL WE DO THAT WE CANT ASK FOR OR DEMAND ANYTHING FROM OUR GOVERNMENT OR THE POWERS THAT BE.
FUNNY SHIT ISWHY DO WE HAVE TO ASK OR DEMAND ANYTHING ?
WE CONSTANTLY GIVE AWAY ALL OUR POWER.
THEN WE PUBLICALLY TURN ON OUR OWN PEOPLE OF STATURE IN THE COMMUNITY

THEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE LIKE COSBY WHO WOULD RATHER DIVIDE OUR PEOPLE INSTEAD OF TEACHING THAT WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER AND ASSIST ONE ANOTHER THROUGH COMMUNITY AMOUNG OTHER THINGS.
HE IMO, IS MORE DESTRUCTIVE THAN HE IS HELPFUL.

IF YOU NOTICE
FARRAKAHN DOESNT TALK TO PEOPLE THAT DONT CARE TO LISTEN
HE HAS BEEN SAYING FOR YEARS, THE SAME THINGS COSBY HAS SAID
BUT WE DONT WANT TO HEAR IT BECAUSE OF WHO THE MESENGER IS.

WHAT MAKES HIM WRONG AND COSBY RIGHT ?

MORE PEOPLE NEED TO HEAR THE MAN OUT AND NOT TRY TO USE HIS BELIEF SYSTEM TO CONDEM HIM AND HIS POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS.
HE HAS DONE MORE THAN COSBY FOR HE COMMUNITY BUT IS
MAKE A JOKE OF BECAUSE OF HIS RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.
HOW FUCKED UP IS THAT
PEOPLE ARE SHEEP.....PERIOD

I DONT WANT TO KEEP GOING WITH THIS SHIT
THIS HORSE IS ALREADY DEAD AS FUCK.
SHIT IS TIRING......WHY KNOCK A MAN THAT TRIES TO HELP ?
ILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THAT

HE PROVIDES INFORMATION THAT YOU WILL NOT RECIEVE THROUGH THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA

HE HAS CREATTED JOBS IN COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY

HE HAS SAVE MANY A BROTHER FROM THEMSELVES AND PROBABLY SAVED
EVEN MORE VICTIMS FROM THESE PEOPLE HE GAVE A LIFE TOO.

HE HAS BATTLED IN THE CIVIL RIGHTS ARENA LIKE A GLADIATOR FOR DECADES AND ALL THEY CAN DO IS SPIT HATE BACK AT HIM BECAUSE
UNFORTUNATLY FOR THEM HES NOT BEEN WRONG YET.
IN OTHER WORDS THE TRUTH HURTS.

NO ONE FROM ANY OPPOSING TEAM WILL SIT AND DEBATE HIM WITHOUT
NAME CALLING AND LIES BECAUSE THEY CANT....THE TRUTH WILL ALWAYS PREVAIL.

PEOPLE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BY CRITICALLY LISTENING,
THE PROBLEM IS PEOPLE SEE ONLY WHAT THEY WANT TOO.

THATS WHY I ADMIRE PEOPLE LIKE HIM
HE HAS DONE THIS SHIT FOR DECADES
FOR UNATTENTIVE PEOPLE AND NEVER GAVE UP.

THATS WHAT I CALL STRENGTH.
THEY DONT MAKE THEM THAT WAY ANYMORE.

THANKS FOR THE DIALOGUE
BUT IM DONE
THATS WHY IM NOT A CIVIL RIGHTS LEADER
CAUSE YALL WOULD PISS ME OFF TOO MUCH:lol:


Well said bruh!
 
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