White Americans Underestimate the Cost of Being Black

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Newswise — How much do white Americans think it “costs” to be black in our society, given the problems associated with racial bias and prejudice?

The answer, it appears, is not much.

When white Americans were asked to imagine how much they would have to be paid to live the rest of their lives as a black person, most requested relatively low amounts, generally less than $10,000.

In contrast, study participants said they would have to be paid about $1 million to give up television for the rest of their lives.

The results suggest most white Americans don’t truly comprehend the persisting racial disparities in our country, said Philip Mazzocco, co-author of the study and assistant professor of psychology at Ohio State University’s Mansfield campus.

“The costs of being black in our society are very well documented,” Mazzocco said. “Blacks have significantly lower income and wealth, higher levels of poverty, and even shorter life spans, among many other disparities, compared to whites.”

For example, white households average about $150,000 more wealth than the typical black family. Overall, total wealth for white families is about five times greater than that of black families, a gap that has persisted for years.

“When whites say they would need $1 million to give up TV, but less than $10,000 to become black, that suggests they don’t really understand the extent to which African Americans, as a group, are disadvantaged,” Mazzocco said.

These results also offer insight as to why more than 9 out of 10 white Americans reject proposals to give reparations to the descendants of slaves, said study co-author Mahzarin Banaji, the Cabot Professor of Social Ethics at Harvard University.

“Our data suggest that such resistance is not because white Americans are mean and uncaring, morally bankrupt, or ethically flawed,” Banaji said.

“White Americans suffer from a glaring ignorance about what it means to live as a black American.”

The study appears in the current issue of Harvard’s Du Bois Review.

The researchers did a series of studies in which a total of 958 whites of different ages and from different parts of the country were asked variations of the same question: “How much should you be paid to continue to live the rest of your life as a black person?”

In most cases, the participants were told to imagine they were actually black, but had always passed for white. The imagined race change required no physical transformation, just a change in public status.

They were also asked how much they should be paid for giving up television, and how much they should be given to change their officially listed state residency (without having to move). These questions were asked, Mazzocco said, to compare what people requested for relatively trivial changes, like a new listed state residency, as compared to a more life-changing request, like giving up television.

Results suggest white people considered a race change as relatively trivial, along the lines of a change in official state residency, as opposed to the seemingly big sacrifice of giving up television.

In some of the studies, the researchers changed the scenario in order to learn more about what white Americans thought about the costs of racial disparities.

One issue with the previous scenario is that participants may minimize the disparities they would face as a black person, because they had always passed as white. So in one study, whites were told to imagine that they were about to be born as a random white person in America, but they were being offered a cash gift to be born as a random black person. Once again, white participants requested relatively small sums to make a life-long race-change. In addition, some were given a list of some of the costs of being black in America, such as the racial wealth disparity. The result was that whites in this latter scenario requested significantly higher amounts than those in the previous studies – about $500,000.

Finally, some participants were given a similar scenario except all references to blacks, whites and America were taken out. They were asked to imagine they were born into the fictional country of Atria, and were born either into the “majority” or “minority” population. They were given a list of the disadvantages that the minority population faced in Atria (which were identical to the real disadvantages faced by blacks in America). In this case, white participants in the study said they should be paid an average of $1 million to be born as a minority member in Atria.

“When you take it out of the black-white context, white Americans seem to fully appreciate the costs associated with the kinds of disparities that African Americans actually face in the United States,” Mazzocco said. “In this case, they asked for a million dollars, similar to what they want for giving up television.”

Mazzocco said blatant prejudice was not the reason for the findings. Results showed that whites who scored higher on a measure of racial prejudice did not answer significantly differently than others in the study.

The researchers are conducting new studies to examine more closely why whites do underestimate the costs of being black. Mazzocco believes many white Americans have a perception that race bias in the United States has been virtually eliminated, and that blacks are no longer disadvantaged.

“While there has been progress in making racial conditions in American more equal, there’s clearly a lot more work to be done,” he said. “Blacks and whites are not experiencing the same America.”

When whites do understand the extent of racial disparities in the United States, they are more likely to support reparations. The findings showed that whites who wanted more money to be publicly recognized as black – suggesting they understood the true costs of racial disparity – were more likely than others to say they would support reparations.

But there are many reasons why nearly all whites oppose reparations. Mazzocco said some whites may believe slavery happened so long ago that slave descendants today don’t deserve to be compensated. The researchers examined the “too long ago” rationale in another study.

The researchers asked participants to imagine that their great, great grandfather, a wealthy shipping magnate, had been kidnapped about 150 years ago. The kidnappers demanded and received a large ransom that bankrupted the shipping magnate. That ransom was used to start a successful company that still survives today and is worth $100 million. Participants were asked whether they would be willing to be a part of a large suit against the present-day company that could net them each about $5,000.

In this scenario, 61 percent agreed to have their names listed on the lawsuit. The researchers noted that this is about the percentage of blacks today who support reparations for slave descendants.

“When white Americans find it within themselves to say ‘I must be compensated for a past injustice done to me’ but the same logic evaporates when the injustice concerns black Americans, they are staring straight at bias,” Banaji said.

Mazzocco said the results of this research have implications for the fledgling reparations movement in America. “Surveys show that 90 to 96 percent of white Americans are against slave descendant reparations. It is nearly impossible to get that many people to agree on anything, so it is an issue that really deserves attention to see why that is. We wanted to take a heated and emotional issue and look at it through a scientific lens,” he said.

The research was facilitated by a postdoctoral fellowship to Mazzocco from Ohio State’s Kirwan Institute for the Study of Race and Ethnicity.

Other co-authors of the study included Timothy Brock of Ohio State, Gregory Brock of Georgia Southern University and Kristina Olson of Harvard.

http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/531012/?sc=rsln
 
its not so much about reparations per se. the fact that whites devalue the adversities of being black allows them to continue to practice blantant and systemic racism which is unchallenged and justified

and the sad thing is. the fact that there are a group of blacks that also devalue this adversity and supports the white mans desire for unaccountability.
 
How the explain the increasing "black" middle class in America. The average person on my block makes well over 100k and we are all black. The struggle continues still but studies like this seem to "pity" black people and create a stereotype about the conditions of being black.

I don't worry too much about white people I've known most of my life they care little or even understand most about my life. And as I say this I know little or care little about the lives of whites....
 
Drayonis said:
How the explain the increasing "black" middle class in America. The average person on my block makes well over 100k and we are all black. The struggle continues still but studies like this seem to "pity" black people and create a stereotype about the conditions of being black.

I don't worry too much about white people I've known most of my life they care little or even understand most about my life. And as I say this I know little or care little about the lives of whites....
its not all about money. the struggle is not solely based on financial condition. thats where people mess up at. there are poor uneducated whites that get more social preference than upper middle class blacks.
 
COLIN STAY THE FUCKOUT OF THIS THREAD!!!!!

having said that...

this is the most significant quote from this post:

"White Americans suffer from a glaring ignorance about what it means to live as a black American.”

but when you take the COLOR out of the equation, and simply show them the SITUATION, suddenly they understand that waht we face as a whole is fucked up.

white folks live in a dreamworld that they've created for themselves.
 
Drayonis said:
How the explain the increasing "black" middle class in America. The average person on my block makes well over 100k and we are all black. The struggle continues still but studies like this seem to "pity" black people and create a stereotype about the conditions of being black.

I don't worry too much about white people I've known most of my life they care little or even understand most about my life. And as I say this I know little or care little about the lives of whites....
They don't pity black people, that is a personal thing the reader would have to inject into a study. They just tell a tale of those black people who are not middle class and don't live on your block making well over 100k.

Many people pay for being black by not getting promotions, not getting jobs they interviewed for, getting poor medical care from their physicians, getting railroaded by the criminal justice system etc. Just because it does not effect you does not mean it is not happening. ALL those things I mentioned are fact not fiction.
 
Drayonis said:
How the explain the increasing "black" middle class in America. The average person on my block makes well over 100k and we are all black.

On average you still won't accrue the same wealth from the appreciation of your house that a cracker in an all white neighborhood can reasonably expect to bank. According to a study cited in the book, "The Failures of Integration," whites will pay an across the board 20% premium in order to live in an all white neighborhood.

In a middle class black neighborhood, even an affluent one, the demand isn't going to push prices that high. Nor is the property likely to appreciate as fast. But far better to live in an all black middle class neighborhood than a racially diverse one. Because once a certain percentage of black folks, no matter if they are all federal judges and medical doctors, move into a formerly all white area, there is almost always a mass exodus of whites and a resulting bottoming out of real estate values.
 
Ummm they can't put a price on it because they have no fucking clue. I couldn't put a price on being white because I don't know how it is. I mean I see white chicks with big tits get out of tickets, but thats different from having a feeling like that.
 
BigDaddyBuk said:
COLIN STAY THE FUCKOUT OF THIS THREAD!!!!!

having said that...

this is the most significant quote from this post:

"White Americans suffer from a glaring ignorance about what it means to live as a black American.”

but when you take the COLOR out of the equation, and simply show them the SITUATION, suddenly they understand that waht we face as a whole is fucked up.

white folks live in a dreamworld that they've created for themselves.


Cosign
 


I think South Park summed it up best, the only way white people will understand what its like to be us is when they understand they can never understand what it like to be us.
 
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Was thinking about the exact same thing today..
I was thinking if I was white how much would I be making.
I can honestly say I would be making at least $50k more per year...

I work in Information Technology.................
......................
One of the most racist fields imaginable

Makes me highly upset

When I look back at life I see all the missed opportunities and prejudgement which has cost me time and advancement in life
 
BigDaddyBuk said:
COLIN STAY THE FUCKOUT OF THIS THREAD!!!!!

having said that...

this is the most significant quote from this post:

"White Americans suffer from a glaring ignorance about what it means to live as a black American.”

but when you take the COLOR out of the equation, and simply show them the SITUATION, suddenly they understand that waht we face as a whole is fucked up.

white folks live in a dreamworld that they've created for themselves.


Bruh, it is not ignorance.

It is deliberate denial.

Point blank.

The Indian man called him forked-tongue, signed his treaty and he still fucked him up. Ask Osceola, Seminole etc..... and still have the audacity to make mascots depicting the population they wiped out.

Even have Columbus day commerating the start of the Indian genocide.

You think that is ignorance????

Say one thing and do the next.

Deceit, double standards..............

That is their game.

Black people better not forget what game it is...................
 
cbm_redux said:
On average you still won't accrue the same wealth from the appreciation of your house that a cracker in an all white neighborhood can reasonably expect to bank. According to a study cited in the book, "The Failures of Integration," whites will pay an across the board 20% premium in order to live in an all white neighborhood.

In a middle class black neighborhood, even an affluent one, the demand isn't going to push prices that high. Nor is the property likely to appreciate as fast. But far better to live in an all black middle class neighborhood than a racially diverse one. Because once a certain percentage of black folks, no matter if they are all federal judges and medical doctors, move into a formerly all white area, there is almost always a mass exodus of whites and a resulting bottoming out of real estate values.
Its about 10%, once the black percentage get to that number, white people are like fuck that we moving.
 
kayanation said:
Bruh, it is not ignorance.

It is deliberate denial.

Point blank.
cosign.

at this very moment a black person is describing his experience of racism to a white person. the white person has a choice to respect it and react to it.

however they dont. they call you delusional, lazy and a perpetual victim racebaiting opportunist and complainer not willing to own up to his/her responsibility.

they justify the racism and slander our people on a daily basis and put it out in the world for everybody to see.

 
heres my take on the situation. white americans dont underestimate the cost of being black... they just do certain things to ensure their superiority. but i feel that blame for the problem can be spread around. for those that slept thru history class, for the last 600 years, europeans have conquored and colonized every continent except antarctica. this bit of history is relevant because whites are born with power. currently, they run the world. starting at a young age, they are subliminally taught that they are superior. so naturally, when it comes to things such as the workforce, u can understand why they wont be too keen on allowing a minority rise to the top so quick. so that explains the earning gap between equally qualified whites and blacks. as far as neighborhoods and communities go, whites do what they can to keep the property value up. keeping the property value up will ensure that they will be around people that either look like them or earn as much as them. but as i said previously, the blame has to be shared around. the one key thing most middle class whites do that most middle class blacks dont do is invest. if we just simply invested money into our own communities instead of spending it on frivilous stuff we can barely afford then the situation would be sumwhat better. but one thing i learned since working in the corporate world is that some of the richest white folks u will ever meet drive regular cars and wear non designer clothes.
 
sangria said:
at this very moment a black person is describing his experience of racism to a white person.

I'd tell any white person who asked me that "I don't feel comfortable discussing that with you." Because I never volunteer that and they always ask it and its always racists that ask it out of sick curiosity rather than compassion or sympathy. This also doubles as a racist taunt to the inquisitive white person serving to show them exactly how it feels to be the victim of racism if it is handled with the proper amount of condescension.
 
Makkonnen said:
I'd tell any white person who asked me that "I don't feel comfortable discussing that with you." Because I never volunteer that and they always ask it and its always racists that ask it out of sick curiosity rather than compassion or sympathy. This also doubles as a racist taunt to the inquisitive white person serving to show them exactly how it feels to be the victim of racism if it is handled with the proper amount of condescension.
true.

i was talking about a case where a black person would initiate volunteering the information to support their arguement. its seems that if either party raises the subject it will result in a racist rant and self righteousness from the white person
 
cbm_redux said:
On average you still won't accrue the same wealth from the appreciation of your house that a cracker in an all white neighborhood can reasonably expect to bank. According to a study cited in the book, "The Failures of Integration," whites will pay an across the board 20% premium in order to live in an all white neighborhood.

I just picked up that book. They talk a lot about what's going on and has gone on in the DC area. It's something I've known for a long time though. Whitey keeps moving further out and taking a lot of things with him...
 
Sangria said:
its not all about money. the struggle is not solely based on financial condition. thats where people mess up at. there are poor uneducated whites that get more social preference than upper middle class blacks.
:yes:
 
hart said:
Was thinking about the exact same thing today..
I was thinking if I was white how much would I be making.
I can honestly say I would be making at least $50k more per year...

I work in Information Technology.................
......................
One of the most racist fields imaginable

Makes me highly upset

When I look back at life I see all the missed opportunities and prejudgement which has cost me time and advancement in life


That's very interesting as well. My question is how do the Asians and Indians fare in their wages compared to whites? Also, do white have the same feeling toward other minorities I.E Indians when it come to acceptance?
 
samh32 said:

That's very interesting as well. My question is how do the Asians and Indians fare in their wages compared to whites? Also, do white have the same feeling toward other minorities I.E Indians when it come to acceptance?

Comments :confused:
 
samh32 said:

That's very interesting as well. My question is how do the Asians and Indians fare in their wages compared to whites? Also, do white have the same feeling toward other minorities I.E Indians when it come to acceptance?



That's very interesting as well. My question is how do the Asians and Indians fare in their wages compared to whites?


Indians & Asians are paid worst than every American citizen UNTIL they get their green cards.

It is only then that they can be on a level playing filed.

For them this green card process last anywhere from 8 yrs to 12 yrs because of the large immigration numbers from that country.

At the end of the day they are still behind.

Also managing every group of Asians are white managers.

So it's the modern plantation with imported labor.



Also, do white have the same feeling toward other minorities I.E Indians when it come to acceptance?

Can't speak on what they think but I can speeak on what happens.

A lot of Asians try to integrate with white males who they see as all powerful.

The asian women see him as she perfect mate, it's even encouraged by her parents.
Some white men take the bite but the majority of white men just fuck and keep it moving especially with Indian women.

The asian men are fucked, they are not the first to be chosen by their women, neither black women, neither white women so a lot of arranged marriages take place. An additional benefit is that the route to green card is shorten significantly.


At the end of the day whites treat them better as a reward for the opportunity to exploit them.

Asians & Indians willingly play along to get where they are going.........
 
kayanation said:
That's very interesting as well. My question is how do the Asians and Indians fare in their wages compared to whites?


Indians & Asians are paid worst than every American citizen UNTIL they get their green cards.

It is only then that they can be on a level playing filed.


At the end of the day whites treat them better as a reward for the opportunity to exploit them.

Asians & Indians willingly play along to get where they are going.........

I work with asians, indians and eastern europeans. a lot of them on some tricky green card status shit so they "tred lightly" at work and dont cause any trouble.

IMO the asians are the worst........ cause they claim mental superiority over everyone including whites but are contempt to "sit in their place" ............. then they look down at blacks :smh: :smh: :smh:

at work
I am constantly proving my mental capacity to do said work...........you would think "intelligent people" were not so prejudicial and stereotypical but they really are.

Every race seems to think black people are stupid..........in a field where brains matter this is a big detriment and hurdle to deal with doing business and trying to obtain employment.


Like I tell everybody I dont care that I make "good money" if the next man "i.e white man" is getting more dollars for the same work than I am then there is a big problem IMO. :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

Whites control and influence so much it is ridiculous .....White Superiority is so ingrained in their psyhcological makeup that they think it is a BIRTHRIGHT and that consciously or sub-consciously they are superior ----------> but of course they will never admit that they think they are better than you :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: .. but best believe they believe it
 
samh32 said:

That's very interesting as well. My question is how do the Asians and Indians fare in their wages compared to whites? Also, do white have the same feeling toward other minorities I.E Indians when it come to acceptance?


as known, white men make the most money. they are followed by black men. white women make nearly as much as black men. asian men typically make roughly the same as black men. indians usually dont have much statistics on them because they are so few in number. like chris rock said, when was the last time u saw an indian family eating at red lobster? but as known, hispanics make the least.
 
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