Where did the word "******" come from?

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Who named africas states,Niger etc?Ive always though about the meaning and power behind the word,and its amazing how powerful we as a people were and still are,and how a word meant to depower us,is powerful.

Saul Williams drops a very good theory on the word:
"my most recent theory is connected to what happens when someone is bit by a venomous snake. the venom is to be instantly sucked out through the mouth and spit out. similarily, the word ****** was used in a venomous way in the past and present day usage of it may be black americas way of spitting out the venom of hatred and oppression by sucking it out of their hearts and minds and spitting it out ie: saying it. which is to say, that it may be part of the healing process. that's one way to look at it. ofcourse we can also say that it is simply internalized self-hatred. however, it is also becoming rare in the black community to hear the word used with negative intention. where do i stand? good question.

when i use it it is for specific purposes, however, that doesn't necessarily mean heightened. i use it to make a point, to make a connection, to make a joke... as a child i was not allowed to use it. yet remember hearing men use the word in ways that just sounded very "cool" to my ear. it was richard pryor that is probably responsible for making the word almost sexy. when he openly decided to stop using it (primarily because of a letter he recieved from maya angelou) it was major news. many comedians attribute that moment as being the time when richard pryor stopped being funny. hmmm. weird.

when i was in germany, once, a black german asked me to speak to american rappers about using the word. he felt that we should stop because he was being called nigga by white boys in europe who thought it was the cool thing to say: hip hop fans.they didn't know the history of it, but he did.he felt angered by it and tried to explain to his friends why they shouldn't use it, but then became more confused when at a wutang concert, one of the cats on stage said, "i love y'all. y'all my niggas".


i think that the history of the word "******" in america from the beginning to now, "nigga" is surreal. as surreal as michael jackson. the way it is most commonly used is now as the highest compliment "you're my nigga" (wasn't that in a curb your enthusiasm episode?). yet, the history of it is far from forgotten. a person who uses the word everyday will still freeze dead in their tracks if they heard someone say it with the "er" pronounced.

personally, i have gone from having stopped saying it, to saying it, and then ofcourse, to saving it for special occassions.. i think that we will eventually stop using the word all together, yet we may be 2 or 3 generations away from that.
there's a song on my new album called "african student movement". the song is a musical sequel to the poem "sha clack clack" and is meant to instigate dialogue about the word nigga/er and our usage of it.it's a powerful word. i find i am only offended when i hear people of color use it in a derogatory manner, such as "stop acting like a ...". however, i don't deem the mere usage of it derogatory. i acknowledge it's history, just as i do ours and know that we are a growing people. and perhaps, just as a person is inoculated against a disease by having it put in it's system, we are participating is some unspeakable circular healing process. consciousness is evolving, as is our ability to articulate it. the healing process can and must include dialogue. thus, this question is a good question. i don't have the answer. only theories. you are right in knowing that when i use it in a poem or song it is for you to acknowledge where and how i'm using it. but i never use it in one way. sometimes it's the lauren hill approach

"and even with all my logic and my theories
i add a "motherfu&#er" so you ignorant niggas
hear me"

and sometimes it's to instigate discussion about the word itself. as a lover of language, i am amazed by the layers of meaning and power held within this word. there are other words that have long interesting histories that are connected to african americans like "yo" and "okay", but they are practically disconnected from their history. most people don't know or care where these words came from. the history of the word "******" probably didn't have derogatory beginning. shit, it just might be the hidden name of God.
seriously, we have the river niger and many other etymological ties that can lead us to the origin of the word which probably predates colonialism. so, the usage of it, i think, is probably beyond our rational knowledge. the choice to use it or not is individual. as for whites using it. i would say NO. as much as i can theorize reasons why blacks may use it, i can think of no good reason why a white should. but who knows. at the end of the day. it's a word. perhaps the most powerful word in american colloquial english. and a word with that much power has a destiny beyond our rational reasoning.

there's a documentary about to come out about it and of course alot of press. which means, there will be new dialogue surrounding the word in the near future. the dialogue is most important."
 
The funny thing,is that the word "Yo" is attributed mainly to african american culture/hip hop,but the word "yo" is actually used in the japanese language as a means on getting a point across.Its used as a way to put emphasis on a sentence or question.This just shows that words originate from sayings that have totally different meaning from its root.Allthough the word yo is used in many ways today.
 
As long as people treat the word like its forbidden, it will continue to hold its power. If the power who the word was meant to offend use it a term of endearment for friends, the why is it still offensive?
Words change over time, We went from Slaves to Coons to ******s to Colored to Blacks to African-Americans.

To me African-American should be just as offensive as ******. African-American says you belong to the Continent of Africa before you belong to the Country of your Birth (America). You have Irish-American, Chinese-American, French-American, etc. So why do we have to African-American.
 
To me African-American should be just as offensive as ******. African-American says you belong to the Continent of Africa before you belong to the Country of your Birth (America). You have Irish-American, Chinese-American, French-American, etc. So why do we have to African-American.

Because the actual country of origin is not known, just the continent!!!!
 
i remember transliterating that shit in the egyptian book of the dead back in the day. supposedly it was the name of the tribe of pygmies. i wish i still had my copy of the book.
 
Because the actual country of origin is not known, just the continent!!!!

You are wrong, the country is known... America.

If you want to be more technical why is a white person who doesn't know there background but is born in America considered American, but a Black person is African-American.
 
You are wrong, the country is known... America.

If you want to be more technical why is a white person who doesn't know there background but is born in America considered American, but a Black person is African-American.

Because Blacks chose that term to be called in their quest to become more self conscious. They hoped it would redefine them from terms or names they felt were demeaning. "Afro" American was a hair style. "Nergo" was too close to ni**er. "Black" and "Colored" has negative connotations in various definitions of the word.

So "African" was chosen to title us, because we came from Africa. The meaning is lost somewhat with Black Africans and moreso with White Africans since they both could legally be called African Americans if they immigrate to the US.

I prefer Black myself.
 
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If you want to be more technical why is a white person who doesn't know there background but is born in America considered American, but a Black person is African-American.

Ask Jesse Jackson. He's the one who promoted the change in terminolgy (as a way to positively emphasize nationality over "color").
 
As long as people treat the word like its forbidden, it will continue to hold its power. If the power who the word was meant to offend use it a term of endearment for friends, the why is it still offensive?
Words change over time, We went from Slaves to Coons to ******s to Colored to Blacks to African-Americans.

To me African-American should be just as offensive as ******. African-American says you belong to the Continent of Africa before you belong to the Country of your Birth (America). You have Irish-American, Chinese-American, French-American, etc. So why do we have to African-American.
I dont consider us as americans at all.I was just born here.
 
I prefer Black myself.
Me too. I would rather except that over anything else.


I dont consider us as americans at all.I was just born here.
Isn't the place where you are your Country? How far back do the generation of your family born in America go?
Do you have any idea how stuff Black people have done for this country?
We built this country and you don't consider yourself American.


We used to be colored.
Would u rather be a ****** or a colored?
Either way it goes you still a ******.

I would rather be Black.
I heard DL Hughley say "It's not what your a called, it's what you answer to" not sure who he got it from but its right.
 
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I thought is was drived from French since they took a lot of Africans from the "Niger" Area which is now Nigeria.
 
Me too. I would rather except that over anything else.



Isn't the place where you are your Country? How far back do the generation of your family born in America go?
Do you have any idea how stuff Black people have done for this country?
We built this country and you don't consider yourself American.




I would rather be Black.
I heard DL Hughley say "It's not what your a called, it's what you answer to" not sure who he got it from but its right.
politically we arent american.sad to say
 
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