****Where are the true black conservatives??****

[Mr. Met]

Lately, I've taken a step back to observe politics from outside the box.

I've learned that it dosen't matter whether you're liberal or conservative, there's rhetoric from both sides.

So I've become more critical of the Jesse Jacksons, Al Sharptons, Michael Eric Dysons and the like.

But that dosen't make the drivel from these so called 'black conservatives less repugnant.

CLICK HERE AND CHECK OUT THIS LIST!! ( Forget Clarence Thomas )!

Can someone please tell me WTF does Jesse Lee Peterson, Star Parker, Roy Innis, Vernon Robinson, or any of these other coons have to do with the legacy of these people?

Jesse claims he is the Booker T. Washington of this generation. So am I to assume that when he dies, we'll learn that he was secretly funneling money to black nationalist groups?

Here are my concerns:

1. Why is it that in order to be a black conservative today you have to be a negrophobe?

They literally have to condemn your race in front of white people who don't give a fuck in order to be down? Did Booker T. Washington slander, debase, and defame black folks on a regular basis in front of slavemasters? Maybe I need to read his speeches again.

2. Why is it that one of their ultimate goals is to absolve the white race of ALL blame for our condition?

There's no doubt black folks have been contributers of our own destruction. But didn't whites who enslaved us for hundreds of years get the ball rolling in some way? By the way, one of their arguments is that the lynching, injustice, disenfranchisement, etc, happened a long tome ago and we should get over it.

Really? Will there be a time when I quit hearing about how Jews were thrown in an oven? Why should I sing the Nat'l Anthem? I wasn't at the war of 1812. Did that war stop racism and discrimination against blacks?

But white folks know the importance of remembering history, and the fact that they're promoting these people to disminish our accomplishments and banish them into oblivion is repulsive to say the least.

3. They mix their odious beliefs with Christianity, Jesus, etc.

I've found that these 'conservatives' appeal to 2 types of folks: Racist white folks and overly Christian blacks. Blacks who read the Bible, but don't dissect it. These middle class assholes who go to their jobs, drive past the ghetto, looks down on black people, go to their white church, only to go and live in their majority white communities where they can portray their silly 'family values' image.

Jesse ( and I mention him because this incompetent is the most famous right now ) is one of these judgemental Christians ( Star, too ) who has this absurd hardline stance that feel that once your Christian, you should never sin again.
The blacks who call in who agree with him are usually the same over churched out blacks.


There's more, but it's time to ask where are the true black conservatives? I'm not into labelling anyone, and no, I'm not interested in being a conservative myself.

But who do you know are the true black conservatives that don't get much press.

For example, there's a woman here in NY that comes on every morning from 6-10AM on 1600 WWRL AM by the name of Karen Hunter.

She's not a far right winger by any means, but she comes of more conservative than liberal. She's into self helf, family, education, etc. But because she's not a nut like the formerly mentioned, she sometimes attacked as liberal. She'll never be a star on FOX.

Are there other blacks that are out there that are in her category?

 

[katakana]

Lately, I've taken a step back to observe politics from outside the box.

I've learned that it dosen't matter whether you're liberal or conservative, there's rhetoric from both sides.

So I've become more critical of the Jesse Jacksons, Al Sharptons, Michael Eric Dysons and the like.

But that dosen't make the drivel from these so called 'black conservatives less repugnant.

CLICK HERE AND CHECK OUT THIS LIST!! ( Forget Clarence Thomas )!

Can someone please tell me WTF does Jesse Lee Peterson, Star Parker, Roy Innis, Vernon Robinson, or any of these other coons have to do with the legacy of these people?

Jesse claims he is the Booker T. Washington of this generation. So am I to assume that when he dies, we'll learn that he was secretly funneling money to black nationalist groups?

Here are my concerns:

1. Why is it that in order to be a black conservative today you have to be a negrophobe?

They literally have to condemn your race in front of white people who don't give a fuck in order to be down? Did Booker T. Washington slander, debase, and defame black folks on a regular basis in front of slavemasters? Maybe I need to read his speeches again.

2. Why is it that one of their ultimate goals is to absolve the white race of ALL blame for our condition?

There's no doubt black folks have been contributers of our own destruction. But didn't whites who enslaved us for hundreds of years get the ball rolling in some way? By the way, one of their arguments is that the lynching, injustice, disenfranchisement, etc, happened a long tome ago and we should get over it.

Really? Will there be a time when I quit hearing about how Jews were thrown in an oven? Why should I sing the Nat'l Anthem? I wasn't at the war of 1812. Did that war stop racism and discrimination against blacks?

But white folks know the importance of remembering history, and the fact that they're promoting these people to disminish our accomplishments and banish them into oblivion is repulsive to say the least.

3. They mix their odious beliefs with Christianity, Jesus, etc.

I've found that these 'conservatives' appeal to 2 types of folks: Racist white folks and overly Christian blacks. Blacks who read the Bible, but don't dissect it. These middle class assholes who go to their jobs, drive past the ghetto, looks down on black people, go to their white church, only to go and live in their majority white communities where they can portray their silly 'family values' image.

Jesse ( and I mention him because this incompetent is the most famous right now ) is one of these judgemental Christians ( Star, too ) who has this absurd hardline stance that feel that once your Christian, you should never sin again.
The blacks who call in who agree with him are usually the same over churched out blacks.


There's more, but it's time to ask where are the true black conservatives? I'm not into labelling anyone, and no, I'm not interested in being a conservative myself.

But who do you know are the true black conservatives that don't get much press.

For example, there's a woman here in NY that comes on every morning from 6-10AM on 1600 WWRL AM by the name of Karen Hunter.

She's not a far right winger by any means, but she comes of more conservative than liberal. She's into self helf, family, education, etc. But because she's not a nut like the formerly mentioned, she sometimes attacked as liberal. She'll never be a star on FOX.

Are there other blacks that are out there that are in her category?

I hear everything you are saying ...man.......I think you are looking for a person like Debra Dickerson....she does not deny racism, yet she believes in self-determination....(and she's not the tool for the white man, even though she's married to one....lol)


here's her site........


http://www.debradickerson.com/


Debra Dickerson


I was born in 1959 in St. Louis, Missouri. Having no clue what I was doing there, I attended and ignominiously dropped out of Florissant Valley Community College and the University of Missouri-Columbia. Still sans clue, I enlisted in the United States Air Force in March 1980 and was a Korean linguist, serving two years at Osan Air Base in South Korea. The military turned my life around.

In 1984 I received a B.A. in Government & Politics from the University of Maryland, College Park. In 1985 I was commissioned a Second Lieutenant and became an Intelligence Officer. Having committed some grave offense in a previous incarnation, I was required to serve three years of hard time at Kelly Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas, when my assignment "Dream Sheet" said 'any overseas is better than anyplace stateside'. Too ambiguous, obviously. I earned a M.A. in International Relations at St. Mary's University there in 1988. In 1989 I was promoted to Captain and took the reverse Midnight Express to Turkey. After an amazing hitch as Chief of Intelligence at Ankara Air Station as the Persian Gulf war began, I served another year on lockdown at the Pentagon before being discharged in 1992.

While waiting to join the class of 1995 at Harvard Law School, I worked on President Clinton's first election campaign and learned that I had no stomach for elective politics. At Harvard it became clear that I had no stomach for the law. I decided to study less (a whole lot less) and have some fun. I began writing a column for the school's newspaper (The Record) and realized what I had the stomach for. I'm a writer.

In January 1996 I wrote an essay - Who Shot Johnny? - for the New Republic which won Best American Essays and jump started my writing career. Since then, I've free lanced for the Washington Post, the New York Times Magazine, Good Housekeeping, Vibe, Mother Jones, Slate, the Village Voice, and many other publications. Lots of TV and radio, a few anthologies. I was the National Correspondent for Salon, a Beliefnet columnist, and a Senior Editor at US News & World Report.

 

[Mr. Met]

I hear everything you are saying ...man.......I think you are looking for a person like Debra Dickerson....she does not deny racism, yet she believes in self-determination....(and she's not the tool for the white man, even though she's married to one....lol)


here's her site........


http://www.debradickerson.com/


Debra Dickerson


I was born in 1959 in St. Louis, Missouri. Having no clue what I was doing there, I attended and ignominiously dropped out of Florissant Valley Community College and the University of Missouri-Columbia. Still sans clue, I enlisted in the United States Air Force in March 1980 and was a Korean linguist, serving two years at Osan Air Base in South Korea. The military turned my life around.

In 1984 I received a B.A. in Government & Politics from the University of Maryland, College Park. In 1985 I was commissioned a Second Lieutenant and became an Intelligence Officer. Having committed some grave offense in a previous incarnation, I was required to serve three years of hard time at Kelly Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas, when my assignment "Dream Sheet" said 'any overseas is better than anyplace stateside'. Too ambiguous, obviously. I earned a M.A. in International Relations at St. Mary's University there in 1988. In 1989 I was promoted to Captain and took the reverse Midnight Express to Turkey. After an amazing hitch as Chief of Intelligence at Ankara Air Station as the Persian Gulf war began, I served another year on lockdown at the Pentagon before being discharged in 1992.

While waiting to join the class of 1995 at Harvard Law School, I worked on President Clinton's first election campaign and learned that I had no stomach for elective politics. At Harvard it became clear that I had no stomach for the law. I decided to study less (a whole lot less) and have some fun. I began writing a column for the school's newspaper (The Record) and realized what I had the stomach for. I'm a writer.

In January 1996 I wrote an essay - Who Shot Johnny? - for the New Republic which won Best American Essays and jump started my writing career. Since then, I've free lanced for the Washington Post, the New York Times Magazine, Good Housekeeping, Vibe, Mother Jones, Slate, the Village Voice, and many other publications. Lots of TV and radio, a few anthologies. I was the National Correspondent for Salon, a Beliefnet columnist, and a Senior Editor at US News & World Report.

I know about Debra Dickerson. She's one of them and I know of her book. Guess what she's called by conservatives...........A LIBERAL!!!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!

 

[Black_Immortal]

IMHO, both sides (liberal and conservative) use those labels as a kind of shorthand to rally people to their sides. If you call yourself a "conservative" you attempt to lay exclusive claim to values that most people REGARDLESS of their political affiliation agree with (strong families, moral values, hard work, etc.). If you call yourself a "liberal" you paint the other side as racist and heartless while ignoring the fact that those same labels would fit some of the people within your own group. Whether it is an individual or a party, we have to look at their actions not their label. With regard to the army of commentators and talk shows, always keep in mind that their reason for existence is to draw an audience and thereby generate revenue. Well reasoned discussion doesn't sell that well, while the over the top hyprebole (Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coutler, etc.) garners huge bucks.

 

[Mr. Met]

IMHO, both sides (liberal and conservative) use those labels as a kind of shorthand to rally people to their sides. If you call yourself a "conservative" you attempt to lay exclusive claim to values that most people REGARDLESS of their political affiliation agree with (strong families, moral values, hard work, etc.). If you call yourself a "liberal" you paint the other side as racist and heartless while ignoring the fact that those same labels would fit some of the people within your own group. Whether it is an individual or a party, we have to look at their actions not their label. With regard to the army of commentators and talk shows, always keep in mind that their reason for existence is to draw an audience and thereby generate revenue. Well reasoned discussion doesn't sell that well, while the over the top hyprebole (Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coutler, etc.) garners huge bucks.

So this post is moot. Just lie your ass off and you'll get over.

Now wonder this country is so uneducated and dense.

 

[QueEx]

IMHO, both sides (liberal and conservative) use those labels as a kind of shorthand to rally people to their sides. If you call yourself a "conservative" you attempt to lay exclusive claim to values that most people REGARDLESS of their political affiliation agree with (strong families, moral values, hard work, etc.). If you call yourself a "liberal" you paint the other side as racist and heartless while ignoring the fact that those same labels would fit some of the people within your own group. Whether it is an individual or a party, we have to look at their actions not their label. With regard to the army of commentators and talk shows, always keep in mind that their reason for existence is to draw an audience and thereby generate revenue. Well reasoned discussion doesn't sell that well, while the over the top hyprebole (Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coutler, etc.) garners huge bucks.

<font size="3">Well said. Labels are really useless; actions speak louder than labels; and which is which (conservative or liberal - except for those towards the extreme of either group) depends on where you're standing and there is as much agreement than disagreement among them. Unfortunately, too much of the populace is willing to listen to the garbage rather than look into the issues.

QueEx</font>

 

[QueEx]

With regard to the army of commentators and talk shows, always keep in mind that their reason for existence is to draw an audience and thereby generate revenue. Well reasoned discussion doesn't sell that well, while the over the top hyprebole (Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coutler, etc.) garners huge bucks.

So this post is moot. Just lie your ass off and you'll get over.

Now wonder this country is so uneducated and dense.

No. It means that people, especially US, have to stop relying on talking heads and examine, at least more than superficially, whats really going on in the world around us. And, get involved.

QueEx

 

[RunawaySlave]

No. It means that people, especially US, have to stop relying on talking heads and examine, at least more than superficially, whats really going on in the world around us. And, get involved.





QueEx

Only when the masses of the people come to a decision on​

what they really want will anything ever come to a conclusion​

As long as we continue to let others speak on the way we​

should be thinking and not thinking and action for ourselves,​

we will always get caught up in a speakers' rhetoric. Doesn't​

matter whether it's left-winged or right, democrat or republican​

it will keep us inactive and listening.​

Very few of these black "conservatives" are in touch with​

everyday black folks on a continuous basis and have no idea ​

what we really are in need of. If their white bosses knew how​

little they knew or how little influence they really had in the ​

community, they'd lose their jobs in a heartbeat​

And we gotta stop being so nice to these people. Just​

because they have a high position and a high profile​

and loot doesn't make them special. But we always seem ​

to let monied people get away with murder. As long as ​

they give us some of it​

 

[VegasGuy]

Interesting thread. I got to save it and read it again. Real slow. Before I can comment. Good points all.

-VG

 

[Mr. Met]

NOW THIS IDIOT IS ON C-SPAN BASHING THE MMM. NOTICE ALL OF THE SWEEPING GENERALIZATIONS ON BLACK FOLK. NO FACTS.


CLICK HERE

 

[QueEx]

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What is a Black Conservative?
http://64.255.174.200/board/showthread.php?t=6730

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[Mr. Met]

****A must read for black conservative republicans !!!****

If any good came out of this sham Bush regime, it has forced me to take the blinders off and not to look at Democrats and Republicans in black and white.

Check this post from this moderate conservative where he sonned these jigaboo political hacks.

Dell considers himself a conservative and not all conservatives are the same.

Not that democrats/liberals are any better or less racist ( quick......name a black primetime host on Air America. )

He calls for rejecting these neo-coons.

Armstrong is beginning to do so. So is Glenn Loury among others.

For a man who's become completely depoliticized over these 2 terms, a piece like this is refreshing.


Adjective: Removing the Black from Black Conservative
Blogged under Social Commentary by Dell on Monday 7 November 2005 at

Adjective

The part of speech that modifies a noun or other substantive by limiting, qualifying, or specifying and distinguished in English morphologically by one of several suffixes, such as -able, -ous, -er, and -est, or syntactically by position directly preceding a noun or nominal phrase.

I was about to blast another ‘black conservative’ yesterday for his particular rant on the rest of us ’stupid blacks’ who aren’t Republican. I didn’t though. I really have been trying to not minor on the minutia. In other words, I want to stop wasting time on folks who really have relatively little influence on blacks and our experience and outlook in the world. This is difficult for me though, because I love deconstructing foolishness as much as my 9 month old son likes knocking down the big lego towers my daugher builds. So I am, just a little bit today, and in a general way going to knock down some fake black cons.

First don’t get me wrong, as I have stated before there are some conservative and Republican brothers and sisters I love in the blogosphere, as well as in public life. Many folks might define me a some what of a conservative depending on how you define that term, and that would be a fair assessment. But these are folks who have an ability to be introspective and critically reasoned, and not ideological buffoons parroting white conservatives and getting tossed scooby snacks.

So the general thesis of my article today is that brothers need to detach the black from the conservative, if you aren’t a black applying the blackness to conservativism.

Riddle me this huh?

As stated above, an adjective is a word used as a modifier and descriptive term for a noun. For example, if I say ‘white’ wall, then I have identified the wall by virtue of its color. Now when we use it for humans, and adjective can be used as a state, or as an expression. Check it, the ‘black’ guy down the corner versus he is in a ‘black’ mood today. The first adjective is state, IE the guy has dark melanin skin, his state is ‘black’. The second adjective is an expression, he is expressing himself through his ‘black’ mood.

Now as this relates to the black conservative we have to ask ourselves if it is a state or an expression. If it is a state, IE it is simply a ‘black’ guy who practices conservative ideology, then there is really no purpose for being identified as a ‘black’ conservative, because there is nothing materially different from a ‘black’ conservative and a ‘white’ one. However if it is an expression, if the ‘black’ truly modifies the term conservative then this is much different. In this adjective scenario the conservative noun would be modified by ‘blackness’ meaning that the black conservative would be using conservative philosophy and innnovative conservative thought specifically applied, derived, and in relation to black American life.

It is my belief that most so-called ‘black’ conservatives are simply talking about state. They are ‘black’ but that blackness has nothing to do with their conservativism. They don’t offer innovative conservative solutions to black life and culture, they don’t offer critical conservative reasons specific to and derived from ‘black’ culture, they simply are what they are, conservatives. They parrot non-unique standard conservative ideology, nothing more nothing less. To me they have no real relevance for the black experiences and answer no questions for the disparity that blacks face that we could not get from a white conservative.

But the true ‘black’ conservative whose blackness colors and truly modifies his/her conservatism uses as a framework for innovative social change conservatism distinctly colored and applied to the very real conditions of black Americans. Although common principles may be seen in relation to white conservatives, the expression of these principles is unique to the unique condition of blacks and the black culture which shapes this expression.

The reason Project 21 cats, and other so-called black conservatives are outcast, isolated, and deemed as foolish asses, is because the ‘black’ in the black conservative is a state, and being that it is a state, it has no relevance to the masses of us blacks. They should just drop the adjective ‘black’ all together, because it has no bearing on the expression of their conservative ideology.

But I think there is opportunity for true black conservatives who express blackness and black culture through conservatism and apply it for the betterment of the race to make some head way.

We will see…but as long as Black Conservatives like Jesse Lee Peterson, Michael Massie, LaShawn Barber, Bob Parks among others are the leading voices of ‘black’conservatives, those who truly could have a relevant conservative voice in our communities are getting drown out by those who never will.

CLICK HERE 4 MORE OF DELL GINES

 

[Zero]

Re: ****A must read for black conservative republicans !!!****

Only thing I can say that is even remotely positive about black conservatism right now is that the "White conservative voices" that are getting heard the loudest right now are all buffoons as well. So conservatism as a whole has a serious image problem. Conservative thinkers have given way to opinionated loudmouths who may or may not be actual conservatives (most appear to NOT be conservative at all and make up, for the most part, a bunch of re-enfranchised abortion clinic bombers, militia members, snake handlers and fascists. ALL right wing, NONE conservative).

 

[Mr. Met]

***Jesse Lee Peterson - The beginning of the end???***

Just like Star Parker and Ken Hamblin before him, these cats have no staying power on the radio because they're not original. Like Ice Cube said tho, 'they'll find a new nigga next year.'

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[The Dark Mind]

Re: ***Jesse Lee Peterson - The beginning of the end???***

This only goes to prove something Rush Limbaugh has said repeatedly...

There is no right wing monopoly on radio.

You must compete and produce a good product. If you don't put out a good product you will be snatched off the air. Being conservative or democrat won't save you. In reality it's no different than the movie studios or the t.v. shows or any other form of entertainment. If you don't keep an audience, your butt's gone.

 

[QueEx]

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[QueEx]

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The AARLC's Chairman:
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[QueEx]

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Seems Mr. Alex St. James <u>Cisco</u> may also be a fraud:
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[QueEx]

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[QueEx]

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[Great1]

I believe Booker T Washington is one of the most misunderstood African American Leaders. He has been pigeon hold as either an educated uncle tom or a "true conservative" that was color blind.

You asked if "Did Booker T. Washington slander, debase, and defame black folks on a regular basis in front of slavemasters?" Actually yes. It was his speeches that often put him in conflict with WEB duBois. But this is what has ben misunderstood about Booker T. He said some things that made white people feel "comfortable" in order for whites to give money to help educate black people. In fact, there are many HBCU (Historically Black Colleges and Universities) that, to this day, benefitted from Booker T.'s fundraising efforts.

I believe, Booker T is the classic example of "the ends justifying the means." In the end, Booker T. had the best interest of his people in his agenda. Today's politicians are only for themselves. The Only two black republicans, or politicians period, that resemble the Booker T's phylosophy are Collin Powell and Tony Brown. I have not heard of Karen Hunter but I will check her out.

I went on line to look up these words Liberal and Conservative and here is what I found:

Liberalism is an ideology, or current of political thought, which strives to maximize liberty. Liberalism seeks a society characterized by freedom of thought for individuals, limitations on the power of government and religion, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a free market economy that supports private enterprise, and a system of government that is transparent.

Libertarianism is a political philosophy that favors individual rights, private property rights, and free markets. Libertarians believe that individuals should be free to act as they wish as long as they do not initiate or threaten the use of physical force or fraud against another person or their property.

Conservatism is any of a number of political philosophies supporting traditional values or an established social order.

 

[Makkonnen]

Tony Brown resembles booker t? explanation? I wouldn't call Tony a politician, activist yeah but not a politician. Colon Bowel isnt even black.

 

[Great1]

Tony Brown resembles booker t? explanation? I wouldn't call Tony a politician, activist yeah but not a politician. Colon Bowel isnt even black.

Tony Brown resembles Booker T In the sense of his efforts in Black economic Development and advancing eductaion. Brown is not a politician in the traditional sense, but is is a registered republican and is slightly active in the party. He has used this infuence in the party to fund various "computer in urban classroom" efforts.

In terms of Collin Powel, While I may not agree with some of his views and decisions (specifically the decision to go to war), I will give him credit for standing up for HBCU's and defending the need for Affirmative action programs. Like Booker T., he made some speeches that made White america feel comfortable, he is funneling that money and infuence to assist black people.


BTW Colon Bowel ?!?!?! That was funny

 

[QueEx]

<font size="5"><center>

Conservative black leaders endorse Huckabee</font size><font size="4">
GOP presidential hopeful and former
preacher attends MLK event in Ga.</font size></center>

Huckabee with niece of Corretta Scott King and
Niece of Martin Luther King at Monday's memorial
Service at King's old church

Republican presidential hopeful, former Arkansas Gov.
Mike Huckabee, holds an availability announcing the
endorsements of various African-American leaders,
Monday, Jan. 21, 2008, in Atlanta. At left is Rev.
William Owens, president of the Coalition of African
American Pastors. 10:01 a.m. ET, 1/22/08


MSNBC
Mon., Jan. 21, 2008

ATLANTA - Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee paid tribute to Martin Luther King Jr. at a lengthy memorial service Monday at King's old church and was endorsed by several black religious leaders.

While his main GOP rivals campaigned in Florida, Huckabee sat quietly through a nearly four-hour King ceremony at the Ebenezer Baptist Church. He was overshadowed by fellow Arkansan Bill Clinton, who received a long ovation for his 18-minute address.

The former president acknowledged Huckabee, who did not speak. "We don't agree on much, but he is a very good man," Clinton told the audience of several hundred.

Huckabee said he was willing to put aside campaigning for a half day to attend the King event, which he called inspiring.

The former Arkansas governor finished second in the South Carolina Republican primary over the weekend after campaigning in which he said the federal government should stay out of disputes over display of the Confederate battle flag in the state. He said last week, "If somebody came to Arkansas and told us what to do with our flag, we'd tell 'em what to do with the pole, that's what we'd do."

The flag is a symbol of racism to some, of Southern pride to others.

Huckabee's focus turns South
After his South Carolina loss, Huckabee needs strong showings in states such as Florida, Georgia and Alabama to keep his campaign alive. He went to Orlando for a late-afternoon rally and fundraiser Monday and planned to return to Atlanta Tuesday for an anti-abortion event.

"Winning Florida would be great," Huckabee told an Orlando airport crowd of about 100, speaking of the state's Jan. 29 GOP primary. But winning the nomination is the bigger goal, he said. "Nobody is going to have this wrapped up by Florida," he said.

"We plan on carrying Georgia," Huckabee told reporters.

After leaving the King ceremony, Huckabee was endorsed by three dozen African-Americans, most of them connected to conservative religious organizations.

Huckabee's strong opposition to abortion and gay marriage matches the "high moral values" of many black Americans, said William Owens, founder of a group called the Coalition of African American Pastors.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22771493/#storyContinued

 

[Hollywoodheat]

hucks smart ^....looks like 04 all over again

 

[QueEx]

 

[BrainChild09]

I believe Booker T Washington is one of the most misunderstood African American Leaders. He has been pigeon hold as either an educated uncle tom or a "true conservative" that was color blind.

You asked if "Did Booker T. Washington slander, debase, and defame black folks on a regular basis in front of slavemasters?" Actually yes. It was his speeches that often put him in conflict with WEB duBois. But this is what has ben misunderstood about Booker T. He said some things that made white people feel "comfortable" in order for whites to give money to help educate black people. In fact, there are many HBCU (Historically Black Colleges and Universities) that, to this day, benefitted from Booker T.'s fundraising efforts.

I believe, Booker T is the classic example of "the ends justifying the means." In the end, Booker T. had the best interest of his people in his agenda. Today's politicians are only for themselves. The Only two black republicans, or politicians period, that resemble the Booker T's phylosophy are Collin Powell and Tony Brown. I have not heard of Karen Hunter but I will check her out.

I went on line to look up these words Liberal and Conservative and here is what I found:

Liberalism is an ideology, or current of political thought, which strives to maximize liberty. Liberalism seeks a society characterized by freedom of thought for individuals, limitations on the power of government and religion, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a free market economy that supports private enterprise, and a system of government that is transparent.

Libertarianism is a political philosophy that favors individual rights, private property rights, and free markets. Libertarians believe that individuals should be free to act as they wish as long as they do not initiate or threaten the use of physical force or fraud against another person or their property.

Conservatism is any of a number of political philosophies supporting traditional values or an established social order.

You've provided the original definition of liberalism. Of course we all know now that this is far from the modern version of so-called liberalism. Libertarianism most closely resembles classical liberalism now. Unfortunately black libertarians are dismissed as "coons" or "uncle tom conservatives" by most black people today.

 

[actinanass]

Lately, I've taken a step back to observe politics from outside the box.

I've learned that it dosen't matter whether you're liberal or conservative, there's rhetoric from both sides.

So I've become more critical of the Jesse Jacksons, Al Sharptons, Michael Eric Dysons and the like.

But that dosen't make the drivel from these so called 'black conservatives less repugnant.

CLICK HERE AND CHECK OUT THIS LIST!! ( Forget Clarence Thomas )!

Can someone please tell me WTF does Jesse Lee Peterson, Star Parker, Roy Innis, Vernon Robinson, or any of these other coons have to do with the legacy of these people?

Jesse claims he is the Booker T. Washington of this generation. So am I to assume that when he dies, we'll learn that he was secretly funneling money to black nationalist groups?

Here are my concerns:

1. Why is it that in order to be a black conservative today you have to be a negrophobe?

They literally have to condemn your race in front of white people who don't give a fuck in order to be down? Did Booker T. Washington slander, debase, and defame black folks on a regular basis in front of slavemasters? Maybe I need to read his speeches again.

2. Why is it that one of their ultimate goals is to absolve the white race of ALL blame for our condition?

There's no doubt black folks have been contributers of our own destruction. But didn't whites who enslaved us for hundreds of years get the ball rolling in some way? By the way, one of their arguments is that the lynching, injustice, disenfranchisement, etc, happened a long tome ago and we should get over it.

Really? Will there be a time when I quit hearing about how Jews were thrown in an oven? Why should I sing the Nat'l Anthem? I wasn't at the war of 1812. Did that war stop racism and discrimination against blacks?

But white folks know the importance of remembering history, and the fact that they're promoting these people to disminish our accomplishments and banish them into oblivion is repulsive to say the least.

3. They mix their odious beliefs with Christianity, Jesus, etc.

I've found that these 'conservatives' appeal to 2 types of folks: Racist white folks and overly Christian blacks. Blacks who read the Bible, but don't dissect it. These middle class assholes who go to their jobs, drive past the ghetto, looks down on black people, go to their white church, only to go and live in their majority white communities where they can portray their silly 'family values' image.

Jesse ( and I mention him because this incompetent is the most famous right now ) is one of these judgemental Christians ( Star, too ) who has this absurd hardline stance that feel that once your Christian, you should never sin again.
The blacks who call in who agree with him are usually the same over churched out blacks.


There's more, but it's time to ask where are the true black conservatives? I'm not into labelling anyone, and no, I'm not interested in being a conservative myself.

But who do you know are the true black conservatives that don't get much press.

For example, there's a woman here in NY that comes on every morning from 6-10AM on 1600 WWRL AM by the name of Karen Hunter.

She's not a far right winger by any means, but she comes of more conservative than liberal. She's into self helf, family, education, etc. But because she's not a nut like the formerly mentioned, she sometimes attacked as liberal. She'll never be a star on FOX.

Are there other blacks that are out there that are in her category?

1. I'm speaking for myself, as a true black conservative, and I have NEVER dissed my race in front of other races. In fact, if they ask me a crazy ass question, I give them a crazy ass response. I use my conservative values to look at the problems in OUR community. Something most black people will recognize instantly.

2. I have never said "forget the past". Trust me, I live in Texas. I see pseudo-racist shit all the time. I get stereotyped because of how I talk, what I wear, me having dreads. I think it's more productive to engage with our so-called enemies. Reason being is, most of the time feel that way is because they see that shit on TV. Fear is a powerful motivator for hate...

3. Social Conservatism is based of the Judea-Christian beliefs, with a mixture of western philosophy. Thus, why conservatives can justify a war, and preach "Thou shall not kill" in the same sentence. It may sound hypocritical, but if you think about it, hypocrisy is human nature. What some on here do not understand is a political affiliation is more than just what you believe in. It's both what your beliefs are, and what actions you want the politicians you support to act on.

For example, I absolutely think the Mosque around ground zero is a horrible idea. However, I will not tell any politician I support to actually block the building from getting built. Reason, I believe in the first amendment more than pushing a politician I like to break someone else first amendment right. However, I still DO NOT LIKE THE IDEA.

 

[thoughtone]

1. I'm speaking for myself, as a true black conservative, and I have NEVER dissed my race in front of other races.

No you just defend racists for doing it!

Tea party protesters scream 'nig.ger' at black congressman

Back to the post, I know that there's has to be video of this incident SOMEWHERE. Unlike the examples you gave *Jesus, and Lincoln's death* we have a WIDE array of video capabilities. Thus, making me think since the lack of video is around, that this possibly DID NOT HAPPEN. I am ready to throw rocks to my fellow conservatives who did such of an act, but until I see and hear it, I'm going to not go by reports. Hell, at least I'm not doing what the 9-11 truth movement is doing.....

Here ya go, start hurling!
(funny you didn't reply to this post.)

dude I was doing other things...

All I'm going to say is to NOT judge the whole tea party because of this group.

You would not like if people judge you because what another liberal did would you?

I don't know if you think (we/me) are stupid or talking out of your ass is just part of your personality. One thing I am learning is Conservatives/Republicans have absolutely no shame. You and Gunner prove that.

 

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Get Rid Of Welfare Now! - An Interview With A Former Welfare Recipient

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"I know firsthand about welfare and welfare dependency because of my own life, living seven years in and out," says Star Parker, founder and president of the Center for Urban Renewal and Education (CURE).

Parker, also a syndicated columnist, explains what she thinks are the actual steps out of poverty and why our government should have no role in welfare in America.

Started as part of the Lyndon Johnson's Great Society in the 1960s, the War on Poverty has been anything but effective, according to Parker. "This whole notion that we should even have a 'war on poverty' dismisses the fact that individuals have a role in their own lives," she says.

Parker sat down with Reason.tv's Tracy Oppenheimer to talk about her own experiences with the welfare system, and how she wants to reform it, even beyond the historic changes
to welfare in the 1990s.