When you're not afraid to rep your Africanity... #Zulu #notGreek #indlamu

[ORIGINAL NATION]

The reason why we know that the white man has not changed me is because, as you know,
I do not care what the white man thinks. I do not filter my activities by what I think he
might approve. Before this post was made, did I not post Zulu dance? Did I not post
many other traditional African dances, and promote the traditional African culture?
What you have written above is not important to me. And perhaps you should stop
thinking that you and I are the same, or for that matter that the Zulu, and many
Africans I have posted her practising their culture share your mindset. We really do
not think about the white man when we practise our culture.

It is more of a matter of opinion. There was a time when all blacks could do what Jesus did and more. And life was more modern then than it is now. There was great technology here before whites were ever grafted from us. Now they act like they were first in everything and they civilized themselves and then civilized other races. Blacks that still had knowledge of their natural powers and blacks that had true knowledge of self was always separated from others and killed. They still do it today. Many believe that Elijah Muhammad was killed. They had to kill him in a way that others would not realize it happened. When he signed into Mercy hospital they had plans for him not to leave there alive. He had bought a message that has always been true and even today blacks refuse to believe that whites really are devils. There knowledge of God is based on what has been presented to them by devils. Elijah was right the black man is God if he can break the control of white power and become himself again. And I know for a fact it would not be anything like what some people think.

 

[Nzinga]

It is more of a matter of opinion. There was a time when all blacks could do what Jesus did and more. And life was more modern then than it is now. There was great technology here before whites were ever grafted from us. Now they act like they were first in everything and they civilized themselves and then civilized other races. Blacks that still had knowledge of their natural powers and blacks that had true knowledge of self was always separated from others and killed. They still do it today. Many believe that Elijah Muhammad was killed. They had to kill him in a way that others would not realize it happened. When he signed into Mercy hospital they had plans for him not to leave there alive. He had bought a message that has always been true and even today blacks refuse to believe that whites really are devils. There knowledge of God is based on what has been presented to them by devils. Elijah was right the black man is God if he can break the control of white power and become himself again. And I know for a fact it would not be anything like what some people think.

It is not a matter of opinion. It is not subject to debate because
the culture of a people is not subject to your approval. You can
see, you can enjoy, but you really cannot critique. You no more
are entitled to tell the Zulu how to dance than I am to tell Black
Americans how to pray in their churches.

The mistake you appear to still make is the conflation of all
black people into one mass, and the apply the same subjective
standard to all. This is not correct. We grew up in Africa; we
are not afflicted with the propaganda of white people. We want
their money, we may want their material goods, but we are not
trying to be them or like them. We love who we are.

Stop invoking the concern of cacs. I do not care about them.

 

[Nzinga]

These Zulu kids can answer all of your questions

 

[ORIGINAL NATION]

It is not a matter of opinion. It is not subject to debate because
the culture of a people is not subject to your approval. You can
see, you can enjoy, but you really cannot critique. You no more
are entitled to tell the Zulu how to dance than I am to tell Black
Americans how to pray in their churches.

The mistake you appear to still make is the conflation of all
black people into one mass, and the apply the same subjective
standard to us. This is not correct. We grew up in Africa; we
are not afflicted with demands of white people. We want their
money, we may want their material goods, but we are not trying
to be them or like them. We love who we are.

Stop invoking the concern of cacs. I do not care about them.

I am sorry brother but you got that totally backwards. Maybe you was not looking at what I was saying. We owned the whole earth before they were ever grafted from us. At one time the earth was called Asia. The way we were then they will kill before they allow you to wake up and start being yourself again. Africa was named after a white man. But how was life before other races came from us. While we hold on to what we think we were they are claiming land that was not their originally and resources. They have hid true technology until they back engineered it and presented it to the world from a white perspective.
I am not going against those people dancing or anything. But it is an opinion of what our true culture is. Originally we only ate raw fruits and vegetables, now our mouths are in the white man's kitchen addicted to devil food. Our natural powers being bought down by seen and unseen forces. All our real humanity hid along with our true identity and history. You would be surprised at what is really hidden from blacks. Every president sworn into office they have to reveal to that person secrets about black people. They use to have books before we got out of slavery about pointers on how to keep God (blacks) dominated and eventually killed off. If you ever studied Jonestown Jim Jones programmed them to worship war but only for him. They was programmed to never defend themselves from him but be violent to anyone one that was a threat to his empire. We have fought in wars only to preserve white visions and control. Never have we organized for our own unity and defense. Of course we had the black panthers and I have respect for them but some of the new black panthers are different than the ones back when it started. They know more than the ones that started it. Huey Newton no disrespect but a lot of people are not aware of the programming that went into that organization by the enemy. Have you ever seen a black panther with money. Many of those brothers were trying to build positive programs in the black community and self defense of what they were and what they build. But the government had elements in there to lead them to be slaughtered. Taking over the drug trade and other things were not of the members but plots from those who were to be used by the enemy.
But I see today we have black panthers that take up some of the methods of Elijah Muhammad and some have even changed their diets and more.

 

[Nzinga]

I am sorry brother but you got that totally backwards. Maybe you was not looking at what I was saying. We owned the whole earth before they were ever grafted from us. At one time the earth was called Asia. The way we were then they will kill before they allow you to wake up and start being yourself again. Africa was named after a white man. But how was life before other races came from us. While we hold on to what we think we were they are claiming land that was not their originally and resources. They have hid true technology until they back engineered it and presented it to the world from a white perspective.
I am not going against those people dancing or anything. But it is an opinion of what our true culture is. Originally we only ate raw fruits and vegetables, now our mouths are in the white man's kitchen addicted to devil food. Our natural powers being bought down by seen and unseen forces. All our real humanity hid along with our true identity and history. You would be surprised at what is really hidden from blacks. Every president sworn into office they have to reveal to that person secrets about black people. They use to have books before we got out of slavery about pointers on how to keep God (blacks) dominated and eventually killed off. If you ever studied Jonestown Jim Jones programmed them to worship war but only for him. They was programmed to never defend themselves from him but be violent to anyone one that was a threat to his empire. We have fought in wars only to preserve white visions and control. Never have we organized for our own unity and defense. Of course we had the black panthers and I have respect for them but some of the new black panthers are different than the ones back when it started. They know more than the ones that started it. Huey Newton no disrespect but a lot of people are not aware of the programming that went into that organization by the enemy. Have you ever seen a black panther with money. Many of those brothers were trying to build positive programs in the black community and self defense of what they were and what they build. But the government had elements in there to lead them to be slaughtered. Taking over the drug trade and other things were not of the members but plots from those who were to be used by the enemy.
But I see today we have black panthers that take up some of the methods of Elijah Muhammad and some have even changed their diets and more.

I understand the argument, but I think we are approaching it from two different
directions. I do realise that as an African, I come from a mindset that is freer
of white propaganda than would be the case in the descendants of black people
who were in bondage. I get that, but I think that you do not, and therefore,
extrapolate from your own mindset and paint all black people with the same
broad brush. I am myself; the people doing Indlamu are themselves. I will
give you a perfect example. Rolihlala Mandela had the label of Nelson put
on him by someone; his wife was Nomzambo WINNIE Zanyiwe Mandela, and
she was thus named by her parents, Columbus and Gertrude Madikizela.
Their children are named Zindziswa and Zenani; With Nelson's first wife,
Evelyn Mase, the children are Makgatho, Makaziwe, Madiba... Among the
children of Nelson, not a single one had a European name, and among the
grand chidlren, not a single one has a European name. The significance
of this, and it is true in my family as well, is that we do not want European
influence in our lives: We are Africans. We want their material goods in our
lives but that is it. My professor in telecommunications engineering when
I was in undergrad, was from Sweden. One day he said something and we
all laughed. The cac then said "People in Sweden would not laugh about
that". The whole class of 10 students kept quiet, so I said "Maybe it is too
cold to laugh in Sweden; and if it is not, we do not care about Sweden, and
do not want to be Swedish"...The cac was stunned, he closed his text book
and matched out of class. I say this to illustrate our different mindset/

 

[ORIGINAL NATION]

I understand the argument, but I think we are approaching it from two different
directions. I do realise that as an African, I come from a mindset that is freer
of white propaganda than would be the case in the descendants of black people
who were in bondage. I get that, but I think that you do not, and therefore,
extrapolate from your own mindset and paint all black people with the same
broad brush. I am myself; the people doing Indlamu are themselves. I will
give you a perfect example. Rolihlala Mandela had the label of Nelson put
on him by someone; his wife was Nomzambo WINNIE Zanyiwe Mandela, and
she was thus named by her parents, Columbus and Gertrude Madikizela.
Their children are named Zindziswa and Zenani; With Nelson's first wife,
Evelyn Mase, the children are Makgatho, Makaziwe, Madiba... Among the
children of Nelson, not a single one had a European name, and among the
grand chidlren, not a single one has a European name. The significance
of this, and it is true in my family as well, is that we do not want European
influence in our lives: We are Africans. We want their material goods in our
lives but that is it. My professor in telecommunications engineering when
I was in undergrad, was from Sweden. One day he said something and we
all laughed. The cac then said "People in Sweden would not laugh about
that". The whole class of 10 students kept quiet, so I said "Maybe it is too
cold to laugh in Sweden; and if it is not, we do not care about Sweden, and
do not want to be Swedish"...The cac was stunned, he closed his text book
and matched out of class. I say this to illustrate our different mindset/

I saw Farrakhan on CNN defending Winnie. That was during the time they were trying to bring charges against her. Farrakhan called it a double standard. Botha killed thousands of blacks daily and there are no charges being bought up on him. They annouced that they were going to charge Botha with genocide but that was just for the cameras. Whites around the world still praise Botha for coming to South Africa and getting rich and killing off a lot of the blacks. They try to claim South Africa is a civilized country because of him.
Before that when Apartheid had been exposed. I saw the Bishop Tutu on CNN saying they cannot keep fighting this thing non violently. They was losing to many people every day. They got to make a choice weather they want to die on their knees begging for mercy or stand on their feet and fight back. Around that time it was around a half a million whites to 30 million blacks. But the whites had the weapons. But there was a chance there that black South Africa would get their land, resources and country back. But now whites would call them terrorist and untie to keep them from getting their country back. We stood by helpless as they were sentenced to death at the height of Apartheid. Reagan had put military bases on Alert to be sent to South Africa to help Botha at one time. Yet Reagan claimed that they bought cocaine into America to raise money to help some other people get their country back. They had been bringing drugs into America before the Iran Contra scandal. And blacks in America should be in an uproar and demand answers when they can make money bringing drugs into America and we get prison time for using and selling. All this shit we overlook and think that we are free.
You know there was a time in the 60's when tattoos and piercing was really a thing for punk rockers. Now it seems more like a black thing that whites take up after us. When the natural or Afro left all kinds of fads came out that we laid claim to. Sometimes it seems that history keeps repeating itself over and over. There are nude colonies and beaches in America that did not allow blacks and Mexicans and others in. They may have changed a lot of that by now. And it still may be some like that.

 

[Nzinga]

I have to go I will talk to you when I return

 

[Nzinga]

If the Zulu wore shiny military uniform, had swords, rode
horses and presented the appearance normally promoted by
cacs, I suspect that many on this forum would be swooning over
them, claiming them, etc etc..As it is, it is evident that people
on this forum want their images swept under a rug....

 

[nate1477]

You are ignorant of what you speak, and in stead of blurting out nonsense,
you might want to respectfully solicit information and education.... Indlamu
is an ancient Zulu dance, dating back to atleast the time of Shaka in the
early 19th century. And we know this because it is a dance practised by
the Zulu diaspora, in the six African countries in which they reside. These
are South Africa, Swaziland, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Zambia, Malawi
and Tanzania... Some even reported seeing the ring headed elders as
far up as Kenya, at the beginning of last century. The Zulu diaspora owes
its existence largely to two Zulu kings chiefs: Mzilikazi and Zwangendaba.
Mzilikazi was a general and friend o of Shaka, who quarreled with him,
and broke away from the Empire in 1823, and took the Khumalo clan of
the Zulu on circuitous path that led them first to Mozambique, and finally
westward to Zimbabwe, where they became the Ndebele...

Mzilikazi kaMashobana



The second was Zwangendaba kaZiguda, who being driven
from the Zulu empire during the Mfecane wars of the 1830s, made
his way north to Malawi and Zambia, where his Ngoni clan of the
Zulu became the Ngoni of Zambia, Tanzania and Malawi

Zwangendaba kaZiguda

You are proving my point. Zulus were bout that action. I'm not objecting to teaching history. I love history. However, I'm not admiring prewar dance from black people who have no intent but to entertain and educate. Reminds me of civil war reenactments, except white folks are still bout that action when they need to be.

 

[Nzinga]

You are proving my point. Zulus were bout that action. I'm not objecting to teaching history. I love history. However, I'm not admiring prewar dance from black people who have no intent but to entertain and educate. Reminds me of civil war reenactments, except white folks are still bout that action when they need to be.

I am not proving any point since you have no point to make.
How do you know what the dance means? And even if it
meant nothing, why does it bother you?

Look the objections on this are simple. They are wearing animal
skins, and you are worried about what white people will say.
Therefore you would rather talk about Egyptian chariots and
pyramids. But the Zulu are not doing this for you. They are doing
it for themselves. It is their culture and they do not need anyone
else to approve it

 

[Nzinga]

I saw Farrakhan on CNN defending Winnie. That was during the time they were trying to bring charges against her. Farrakhan called it a double standard. Botha killed thousands of blacks daily and there are no charges being bought up on him. They annouced that they were going to charge Botha with genocide but that was just for the cameras. Whites around the world still praise Botha for coming to South Africa and getting rich and killing off a lot of the blacks. They try to claim South Africa is a civilized country because of him.
Before that when Apartheid had been exposed. I saw the Bishop Tutu on CNN saying they cannot keep fighting this thing non violently. They was losing to many people every day. They got to make a choice weather they want to die on their knees begging for mercy or stand on their feet and fight back. Around that time it was around a half a million whites to 30 million blacks. But the whites had the weapons. But there was a chance there that black South Africa would get their land, resources and country back. But now whites would call them terrorist and untie to keep them from getting their country back. We stood by helpless as they were sentenced to death at the height of Apartheid. Reagan had put military bases on Alert to be sent to South Africa to help Botha at one time. Yet Reagan claimed that they bought cocaine into America to raise money to help some other people get their country back. They had been bringing drugs into America before the Iran Contra scandal. And blacks in America should be in an uproar and demand answers when they can make money bringing drugs into America and we get prison time for using and selling. All this shit we overlook and think that we are free.
You know there was a time in the 60's when tattoos and piercing was really a thing for punk rockers. Now it seems more like a black thing that whites take up after us. When the natural or Afro left all kinds of fads came out that we laid claim to. Sometimes it seems that history keeps repeating itself over and over. There are nude colonies and beaches in America that did not allow blacks and Mexicans and others in. They may have changed a lot of that by now. And it still may be some like that.

What does this have to do with Indlamu though?

 

[305]

DOPE POST.

They had something similar when I went to Clark Atlanta U. It was Enzinga and something else. Dope stuff. Got the "Greeks" pissed off then and seems like it does now. Good to see where stepping came from and should remain...non greek. But whatever, do you.

 

[ORIGINAL NATION]

What does this have to do with Indlamu though?

Damn I never knew what that word meant until now. But I was saying what I said because you was talking about the family linage of Nelson and Winnie Mandela. I did not know about their family history but I knew about Winnie and her struggle. Certain things take us over at times. If the Zulu's fought the whites they did the right thing, but the other part I have never had any desire to check out.

 

[Sir_Fuzzy_McWaffle_Feet]

We not Africans we are Hebrews

 

[KAPE KRUSADER]

Outstanding!

 

[Nzinga]

I do not understand how anyone can criticise the traditional dance of someone else