When the best fight the best...It is a beautiful thing

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Once upon a time there was a fighter. That fighter was considered to be great. That fighter understood in order to stay on top he has to defeat other great fighters in their prime. That is what this thread is about. Not to mention these are just some damn good fights to watch.


On March 19, 2005, as a betting underdog, Morales defeated then three-division world champion Filipino boxer Manny Pacquiao, by a unanimous decision. During the 12th round, Morales, comfortably ahead on the scorecards, decided to brawl with the Filipino slugger, even turning southpaw during the process. In a post fight interview, HBO broadcaster Larry Merchant, asked Morales, "Why?" Morales replied by asking a question of his own, "Did you enjoy it? That's why."
Later that night, at the post-fight press conference, Erik further explained his reasoning for brawling with the Filipino slugger; "It was a great pleasure to fight this way. I think I was controlling the fight with my distance. Sometimes I need to put a little flavor into the ring. My promoter always says that I make the fights very difficult, but they're not difficult, they're fun for the public. I decided to stop myself in front of him in the twelfth round because I wanted to give the public what they deserve. It was a great round. I'm very happy about it."

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This might not seem like it should be considered the best fighting the best. But this was a damn good fight. I remember it like yesterday. Me and my old man arguing about who won the fight. I am interesting in what you think. Watch it and let me know who you think won.

28.04 - By Frank Gonzalez: Boxing is a glamorous sport. It is excitement, passion and suspense built up on speculation and intense anticipation. There’s the ring, the one on one battle, the referee and the Judges who score the action, as the combatants take their places on the big stage in their quest for victory, fame and fortune. Sometimes fights are won by knockout, leaving no question as to who won, in spite of what may have happened in the rounds preceding the knockout. Other times, it becomes a matter of who did the most damage or was the most effective of the fighters. Judges should be impartial and score each round based on four things; clean punches, effective aggressiveness, ring generalship and defense. Knockouts are definitive and beyond the influence of the Judges.

With the unscrupulous politics of Boxing, many ‘outside of the ring’ circumstances play a role in deciding victories inside the ring. It’s not just about the fighters, no Sir. It is about the Promoters, the Judges, the Sanctioning bodies, the big Network contracts, the popularity points and most of all, money. Unless there is a knockout, the Fighters alone do not decide the outcome of the fights, no Sir.

Saturday night at Madison Square Garden, in New York City, IBF Featherweight Champion Manuel Medina took on the very popular Johnny Tapia for the 126-pound title. This would be Johnny Tapia’s debut performance in NYC. “Mi Vida Loca,” as Tapia is affectionately known, is a big Star in the sport of Boxing. His only two losses, both controversial decisions, were against Paulie Ayala, whom some consider a favorite with Judges.

Tapia’s personal life has been a roller coaster of highs and lows. After his famous ‘decision’ losses to Ayala, he was suicidal and hospitalized. Tapia’s privacy has been very public. Many fans identify with his struggles in life and he has a large fan base. He is a major attraction at the box office. His fights sell.

Manuel Medina is from Tijuana Mexico. As a Featherweight, he has been overshadowed by the likes of Erik Morales and Marcos Antonio Barrera, the big stars of the division, neither of whom he’s ever faced. At 31-years old he has fought 71 professional fights in his career, which began at the age of 15. He recently won the IBF title with a TKO win over Frank Toledo last November. The last time he lost a fight was to Paul Ingle (then 21-1), back in November of 1999, losing by a unanimous decision.

I’ve seen a few of Medina’s fights and find him to be a high volume puncher, constantly busy, who lacks power but frustrates opponents by out-boxing them, while scoring with tagging punches. In light of what happened last week to his stable-mate, Jose Luis Castillo, who lost by controversial decision to the popular Star, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Medina expressed concerns prior to the fight about Tapia’s star power influencing the Judges, should the fight go the distance.

HBO’s Jim Lampley and Emanuel Stewart discussed last weeks Castillo Mayweather fight and how the week leading to this fight was marred with controversy about the scoring of fights that involve high profile fighters. Would it happen again?

The Fight

In the first round, Tapia seemed the stronger, landing the heavier punches. Medina showed excellent Boxing skills, and used his jab and combinations effectively. Both did well with Medina landing more but Tapia landing harder. I scored the round- Even.

In the second round, Medina was more effective, landing more, out hustling Tapia. I score it for Medina. In the third, Medina took Tapia to school with superior Boxing skills, speed and a high work rate of offense. Frustrated, Tapia hits after the bell. Medina wins round.

Before the fourth round began, HBO showed Harold Lederman’s scorecard; he had Medina winning 3-0 at that point. In the fourth, Tapia struggled, trying to find his rhythm in a fight where he was being out maneuvered at every turn. Medina’s offense is his defense.

Medina peppered Tapia with his fly swatter jabs and combinations and mostly evaded Tapia’s heavier punches. Tapia had a decent fifth round, catching Medina with left hooks and a few body shots. Since Medina also did well, I scored that round Even.

Fighting Medina is like being caught in a phone booth with a hundred ‘pissed off’ Mosquitoes stinging you all over. By the seventh round, Lederman’s scorecard read 6-0 in favor of Medina. Rounds seven and eight were more of Medina getting the better of Tapia, who was breathing heavily in his corner between rounds. Medina’s stamina was never an issue as he threw upwards of 90-130 punches per round. He looked remarkably calm in his corner between rounds.

At the start of the ninth round, Tapia seemed to find new energy and made it his business to get close to the taller Medina and work the body. Tapia tripped midway through the round, and with their legs locked, he brought Medina down with him. Although Medina never slowed down or showed signs of fatigue, he was over powered by the suddenly more aggressive Tapia, in both the ninth and tenth rounds.

There was a head butt in the 11th round and Medina was warned for backhand punching. Aware of Tapia’s need for a knockout, Medina stayed on the outside and worked the jab effectively. Medina’s ring generalship and use of the jab kept Tapia off balance through most of the fight.

Both fighters embraced in a show of respect to start the 12th and final round. Knowing he needed a knockout to win, Tapia proceeded to give everything he had left to try to win. Medina knew he only had to keep out of harms way and did so while still throwing about 95 punches and still scoring. I called that round Even. After the final bell rang, both fighters embraced and then raised their arms in victory.

The Official Ringside Judges scored as follows:

George Colon: (115-113 Tapia)
Tony Paolillo: (115-113 Tapia)
Melvina Lathan: (114-114 Even)

HBO’s Harold Lederman scored it 117-111 for Medina.

I scored it 118-113 for Medina.

The fight statistics were as follows:

Punch Stats

Tapia ---- Medina

193 Landed 273
722 Thrown 1466
27% Percent 19%

Jabs

Tapia ---- Medina

40 Landed 128
313 Thrown 1005
13% Percent 13%

As soon as the decision was announced, Manuel Medina exited the ring in disgust, making himself unavailable for the post fight interviews. What useless comments could he make about losing a fight he clearly won. My heart goes out to Manuel Medina, who lost his title to the favorite because of the politics of corruption, which took no account of his domination of Tapia in the ring.

For a second week in a row, an HBO covered fight was decided in questionable fashion, rendering the winner the loser and the loser the winner. You have to wonder who the Judges are accountable to when their decisions are so far from believable. Well, any Promoter will tell you, there’s always big money in rematches of controversial decisions. But I suspect HBO has big plans for a Tapia vs. Hamed showdown in the future. Giving Tapia a belt makes the pot sweeter for the Prince, who disappeared from the public eye after being dismantled by Marcos Antonio Barrera in April of 2001.

During the post fight interview, Larry Merchant spoke with the newly ‘selected’ IBF Featherweight Champion, Johnny Tapia.

LM: Jesse Reid, your trainer was urging you at the end, telling you that you had to win rounds, that you had to take it to him. Did you think you were winning the fight?

JT: The fight was close; uh…first I want to give thanks to God for guiding me and protecting me. Larry, you know, I’m glad to be back on HBO. He’s skillful, got a lot of experience, as a good boxer, he was hard to catch. So I ended up trying to cut the ring off and catch him. It was very close.

LM: You were the ‘star’ of this fight, (Tapia lowers his head in what appeared to be humility) just as Floyd Mayweather was last week against Castillo. Do you think that benefited you in the scoring?

JT: You know Larry, I’m not going to say anything bad about anybody, that’s not the kind of person I am, I have all the respect in the world for a great World Champion…uh…I left it in the hands of the Judges. They told me to push it, I almost knocked him out, dropped him a couple of times, but he’s just a tough cookie.

LM: There has been talk of you fighting Prince Hamed. Is that the next fight you want?

JT: Yes Larry, that’s the business end of it. I love the sport of Boxing, I am a fighter, I am a warrior, I couldn’t use my Boxing skills good, he had a lot of height, I couldn’t catch him even if I wanted to. I’m just glad nobody got in trouble.

LM: Was he much like fighting Paulie Ayala, a guy who just hustled and threw punches all night long, and were you afraid that because of that, that he would get the decision?

JT: Well, not really, cause I’m fighting a righty, not a lefty.

But if you understand Larry, Paulie threw a lot of punches. I couldn’t really catch him where I wanted to. He was skillful… I left it in the hands of the Judges Larry.

LM: Thank you very much. Your first appearance in New York.

I like Tapia; he’s an exciting fighter who always brings truckloads of passion to his fights. Tapia wasn’t exactly self-endorsing during the post fight interview. It seemed like he was going against his conscious in accepting a win he knew he didn’t deserve. He lost this fight in the ring, but won it with the Judge’s Official scorecards, very much like last weeks Mayweather victory decision over the winner, Jose Luis Castillo. At least you could make an argument for the Mayweather win, since he dominated Castillo in the first three rounds of that fight.

Breaking a Compubox record for the most punches thrown in a fight at 126 pounds, Manuel Medina took Johnny Tapia to school and easily won more than 70% of the rounds. Medina was the busier, more effective fighter. I can’t imagine that the Judge’s didn’t see that. They apparently knew how they would score the fight before it started.

That makes it two Mexican winners, losing two fights in two weeks at the hands of Judges in the US of A. Boxing is an international sport that is unfortunately administered locally and often times in a biased manner. Foreign fighters watching this fight must have legitimate fears about crooked decisions when fighting on American soil. Like Floyd, Johnny is a Star. The Judges knew that, and their scorecards reflected it. Who pays the Judges? The Promoters. Why, isn’t that a conflict of interests? Yes, but who do you think runs Boxing, honest people? Face it folks, Medina may be the better boxer, but Tapia is more marketable. Like gangsters in movies say right before killing a trusted friend, “I hope you know, it’s nothing personal, just business.” Business indeed.

During the post fight interview, I thought Johnny Tapia might do something truly heroic, like tell Larry Merchant in no uncertain terms that he felt Medina won the fight and then walk over to Medina’s vacant corner and place the belt in the hands of whoever was left from his corner’s people. I’m sure Tapia’s legendary status would have gained more from that, than to accept a belt he didn’t win in the ring. That’s not the way it ended. Accept it, that’s the glamour of Boxing

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Lol, I was just watching a video of a certain fighter that said he should have been named fighter or the year cause he has be undefeated for about 15 years when another fighter has a draw and a loss. He didn't get why he was pushed aside. Maybe cause he doesn't realized that in order to get great. You have to have great fights. Promoter's pull that got him his first belt was a testament to his heavy hbo and arum pull. and his constant avoidance of tough fights is why he is consider to have the lesser career. It isn't about just wins and loses. It is about how you fight and who you fight. Enjoy!


On June 17, 2000, Mosley met De La Hoya in Los Angeles for the WBC and IBA Welterweight titles. After twelve rounds, Mosley emerged with a split decision victory. During the fight neither man was in danger of going down, but both had badly swollen faces at the end and De La Hoya was bleeding from the nose for several rounds. Mosley earned a minimum of $15 million, while De La Hoya was guaranteed $35 million. It was later that Mosley was accused of using illegal performance enhancing drugs prior to his 2003 bout with Oscar De La Hoya.[2]
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He and De La Hoya faced each other for the second time on September 13, this time with De La Hoya's WBC and WBA Light Middleweight belts on the line. Mosley defeated De La Hoya by a close 12 round unanimous decision, and joined the exclusive group of world boxing champions that have reigned in three or more divisions. Mosley testified in 2003 that he injected himself with the notorious doping agent EPO as he prepared for his Light Middleweight title fight against Oscar De La Hoya, according to grand jury transcripts and doping calendars.
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Good shit. and judging by the file sizes..these appear to be good quality footage too. Cant wait to watch. :dance:
 
Once there was a man who dominated the PPV world like no other. Even in defeat he was King. However he had something most guys at the top lack. Balls. Oscar did something you just don't see anymore. He went up to fight the best in the middleweight and lost to BHop. He went down to fight an undefeated boxer only to lose to PBF by decision. With fans still pushing him and his desire to beat the beat he dropped down once again to fight the man that was Watching the Throne, Manny. What took place was to most devastation loss in his career. Please enjoy this destruction of a hero.

Pacquiao is making his way to the ring. Pacquiao is in the ring.
De La Hoya is making his way to the ring. De La Hoya is in the ring.
Michael Buffer has said the magic words: "Let's get ready to rumble!"

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Tito is one of my favorite fighters of all time. He was fearless. He was never deterred. You knock him down and he was getting up to knock you down. They don't make fighters like him anymore.


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DISH Network Presents Trinidad Vs Joppy Boxing

DISH On Demand Features Part Two of Middleweight Boxing Live From Madison Square Garden On Pay-Per-View

LITTLETON, Colo.--(BW SportsWire)--May 7, 2001--EchoStar Communications Corporation. DISH Network(TM), the fastest-growing U.S. direct broadcast satellite television entertainment company, announced today that it will offer TVKO's broadcast of "Trinidad vs. Joppy: History In The Making," live from Madison Square Garden on DISH On Demand pay-per-view, Saturday, May 12 at 9 p.m. ET (with pre-show events beginning at 8:30 p.m. ET). Trinidad vs. Joppy is available to DISH Network customers on channels 455 and 538 for $44.95. Customers in Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands can watch the fight on channel 456.

The fight, which is part two of Don King's Middleweight Championship Series, features undefeated, four-time World Champion Felix Trinidad against two-time Middleweight Champion William Joppy. Trinidad, who is considered one of the world's best boxers, boasts a record of 39-0 with 32 knockouts. Joppy, with a record of 32-1-1 and 24 knockouts, is seeking to make his mark in history as one of boxing's biggest names. Don King's Middleweight Championship Series, set to conclude on Sept. 15, will ultimately deliver the world's first undisputed middleweight champion since the early 1980s.

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Was the fight stopped early? Nope. Was this a fight when the best fights the best? Yes.



The boxing world championship fight held on March 17, 1990 between WBC Jr Welterweight world champion Julio César Chávez of Mexico and IBF world champion Meldrick Taylor of the United States in Las Vegas, Nevada was a historic boxing match. Nicknamed "Thunder Meets Lightning" as an allusion to tremendous punching power of Chávez and blinding speed of Taylor, the bout was expected to be a rousing and exciting fight, but few, (if any) could have foreseen the intense action it would produce, and its lasting fame in boxing history due to its sudden, dramatic, and controversial ending that continues to be widely debated. It would later be named Ring Magazine's "Fight of the Year" for 1990, and later still the "Fight of the Decade" for the 1990s.
Contents [hide]
1 Build up to the fight
2 The fighters
3 The fight
4 The aftermath
5 References
[edit]Build up to the fight

From the mid 80s until early 1990 almost all of the attention given to boxing, particularly by the casual fan, was devoted to Mike Tyson. This served to overshadow a number of bouts and emerging stars in the lower weight classes. However, after Tyson lost to Buster Douglas in February 1990, it would give other bouts and fighters a new chance to shine. As Chávez-Taylor took place only a month later, it was one of the very first bouts to benefit from this. The fact that both Chávez and Taylor were undefeated champions with vastly different personalities and fighting styles certainly did nothing to diminish the pre-fight hype, which was intense, especially for a fight not taking place in the heavyweight division.
[edit]The fighters

Julio César Chávez was a legend in the making. Already a three-time world champion in the Jr. Lightweight and Lightweight divisions, he brought an impressive undefeated record of 68-0 with 56 wins by knockout. In many ways Chávez was the epitome of the "Mexican" style of boxing. He relentlessly stalked and closed in on the other fighter, ignoring whatever punishment he took for the chance to dish out his own at close range, particularly in the form of a crunching body attack that would either wear down his opponents until they collapsed in pain and exhaustion, or became too tired to defend as Chávez shifted his attack to the head and went for a knockout.
Meldrick Taylor was nearly a polar opposite to the methodical Chávez. Something of a boxing prodigy, Taylor was gifted with astounding hand and foot speed and had won an Olympic gold medal at just 17 as a member of the 1984 boxing team which featured future legends such as Evander Holyfield and Pernell Whitaker. Taylor's rise through the professional ranks was also quick, as his speed and reflexes proved to be nearly impossible to counter, and while not known as a prodigious puncher, his strength was to be respected and earned him 14 KOs in his 25 victories prior to the Chávez bout. If anything, Taylor had proven to be more than willing to brawl with his opponents, a tendency that, combined with occasional showboating, led many to label him as cocky.
[edit]The fight

Taylor's brilliant hand and foot speed and boxing abilities gave him the early advantage, allowing him to begin building a large lead on points. He frequently hit Chávez with dazzling combinations and danced around the other man, only to suddenly stop and trade punches with Chávez, often outlanding Chávez by a margin of anywhere between 3-5 to 1. Chávez, however, was relentless and his punches, which were far more devastating than Taylor's, consequently beginning to take a terrible toll on Taylor. Coming into the later rounds, Taylor was bleeding from the mouth, his entire face was swollen, the bones around his eye socket had been broken, he had swallowed a considerable amount of his own blood, and Taylor's love for brawling had him exchanging blows with Chávez more and more as his reflexes and foot speed slowed, which only served to further the damage Chávez caused. While there was little doubt that Taylor had solidly won the first three quarters of the fight, now the question was whether he would survive the final quarter, especially after the end of the 11th round when Taylor was so dazed that he nearly went into Chávez' corner between rounds, until referee Richard Steele directed him back to his own.
Going into the final round, Taylor held a secure lead on the scorecards of two of the three judges, (Dave Moretti and Jerry Roth had the score 107-102 and 108-101 respectively for Taylor, while Chuck Giampa had Chávez ahead 105-104), and the sense for everyone watching was that Chávez would have to knock Taylor out to claim a victory, whereas Taylor merely needed to stay away from the Mexican legend. However, in a strange scene between rounds, Taylor's trainer Lou Duva told him that he needed to win the final round, and as a result Taylor did not stay away, but continued to trade blows with Chávez. Taylor showed signs of extreme exhaustion, including staggering and wobbling around the ring and at one point falling to the canvas after missing Chávez with a wild left. Still, every tick of the clock brought Taylor closer to victory... until Chávez turned the tables.
With about a minute left in the round, Chávez hit Taylor squarely with several hard punches, and Taylor responded by mockingly feigning weakness, but Chávez was not convinced by Taylor's bravado and stayed on the attack, continuing to hit Taylor with well-placed shots. Finally, with about 20 seconds to go, Taylor staggered towards a corner, forcing Chávez back ahead of him. Suddenly Chávez stepped around him, positioning Taylor perfectly so that he was trapped in the corner, with nowhere to go. Chávez then nailed Taylor with a tremendous right hand that dropped the younger man. Taylor managed to return to his feet and was given the mandatory 8-count. Referee Richard Steel asked Taylor twice if he was all right, but Taylor failed to answer. Steele then concluded that Taylor was unfit to continue and in a controversial move, stopped the fight scoring a TKO victory in favor of Chávez with only 2 seconds to go in the bout.
[edit]The aftermath

To this day, Steele's decision remains controversial and hotly debated. Many fans believe Taylor should have been allowed to continue because there were mere seconds remaining in the fight and that he was ahead on the scorecards, or that he should have been allowed to continue because he appeared to give a slight nod to the referee when asked "Are you okay?" Others agree with the decision, arguing that another good punch would have caused irreversible damage to Taylor, especially considering the tremendous damage Taylor had absorbed already and that he needed to spend weeks in the hospital recuperating. Additionally, Taylor remained holding on to the ropes throughout the standing 8 count and did he give a coherent response to Steele.
Some also cited that two years before this match, Steele was refereeing the bout between Thomas Hearns and Iran Barkley, and when Barkley first knocked his opponent down in the third round, Hearns was apparently not in the shape to be able to continue but Steele let him go on, stating after the fight when asked about his decision that such a great champion like Hearns should be given the chance to pull himself together (nevertheless, still in the third round Barkley knocked Hearns down again and out). In contrast with this, after the Chavez-Taylor fight, Steele told that when he sees a hurt fighter he is stopping the fight, regardless of the time left.
Because Chávez was promoted by Don King and Steele had made decisions that some felt were questionable in other King promoted fights, it was questioned whether Steele might be "bought". Taylor's trainer Lou Duva was especially concernced about Steele being chosen. While never proven and strongly denied by both Steele and officials like Mark Ratner, the head of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, it has remained a dark mark on Steele's otherwise exemplary career as a boxing referee.
Chávez' status as an emerging legend was cemented by the bout, and for the next several years he was widely considered the best fighter in the world. His unbeaten streak would stretch to 89-0-1 before he suffered his first loss, to Frankie Randall. (Although the nature of the draw was also considered controversial, as it was the result of a decision in a bout with Taylor's friend and Olympic teammate Pernell Whitaker that most observers felt Whitaker won). Towards the end of his career Chávez began to cut easily, a tendency that would cost him several fights. Like many fighters he continued to fight even after time had diminished his skills, and would go in and out of retirement several times. He appeared to retire for good after a loss on September 17, 2005, in a bout where he claimed to have injured his hand. His final career record stands at 108-6-2. He holds several records, including for most title defenses and fights, and the longest winning streak in boxing history.
It is popularly believed that Meldrick Taylor was never the same physically or professionally after the bout. Famed sportswriter William Nack said he had never seen a boxer give so much as Taylor did in the fight. Nack pointed out Taylor's "prime" was literally beaten out of him and it was thus gone forever. Dr. Flip Homansky, who examined Taylor following the fight and immediately sent him to the hospital, summarized his injuries by saying "Meldrick suffered a facial fracture, he was urinating pure blood, his face was grotesquely swollen... this was a kid who was truly beaten up to the face, the body, and the brain". Although Taylor would continue fighting and succeed in winning another championship, the brilliance that he displayed both during and before the Chávez fight would prove elusive afterwards. A crushing fourth round knockout loss to Terry Norris in 1992 spelled the end to Taylor's career as a top-level fighter. He was also knocked out in a 1994 rematch with Chávez. Taylor continued to fight on and off for years, but never again in fights of any note. At the same time, rumors of brain damage circled around him, and eventually numerous boxing districts within the U.S. refused to grant him a license to fight. Perhaps most stunning was his appearance and speech during Legendary Nights, an HBO documentary series that profiled some of its most famous bouts. The episode dealing with Chávez-Taylor showed Taylor's speech to be extremely slurred and at times nearly incomprehensible, quite a change from the articulate young Taylor that many fans remembered. Taylor's final record stands at 38-8-1. Meldrick Taylor still resides in his native Philadelphia. On May 15, 2009, Taylor released a book titled "Two Seconds From Glory" detailing the fight with Julio Cesar Chavez along with other controversial subjects.[1]

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