What is YOUR definition of a genius? (cause I don not think Kanye is one)

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gen·ius
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noun
  1. 1.
    exceptional intellectual or creative power or other natural ability.
    "she was a teacher of genius"
    synonyms: brilliance, intelligence, intellect, ability, cleverness, brains, erudition, wisdom, fine mind; More

  2. 2.
    a person who is exceptionally intelligent or creative, either generally or in some particular respect.
    "one of the great musical geniuses of the 20th century"
    synonyms: brilliant person, gifted person, mastermind, Einstein, intellectual, great intellect, brain, mind

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Really u don’t think he is a genius :lol:

Don’t let the hate of his coonisms cloud ur judgement doude is a genius.
 
To me at least in MUSIC?

I think Quincy Jones and Prince are on genius level...

and in writing even though he is NOT my favorite?

Stephen King

(and that is where it gets tricky too cause PROLIFIC is a whole other discussion and I don't think should be confused with actual genius)

And I think there is GENIUS in sports too...

but it is harder to define

I think probably Bill Walsh is up there.

I think when it comes to hitting?

Barry Bonds, Ted Williams...
 
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Really u don’t think he is a genius :lol:

Don’t let the hate of his coonisms cloud ur judgement doude is a genius.

but its how you DEFINE genius though.

many of his BEST productions?

were collaborations.

I guess there is GENIUS to a degree in that, but isn't a STRETCHING of the definition?

Prince could play multiple instruments write sing dance compose produce....

I bet GOOD money Kanye can't write an ACTUAL composition...and even THAT is not a barameter to genius...

but if we talking MUSICAL GENIUS...

damn we then are saying he is in the SAME class as Miles Davis.
 
Can We Define Genius?
Mozart and Einstein are geniuses, but Picasso may not be
Posted Nov 30, 2010
Can We Define Genius?
Mozart and Einstein are geniuses, but Picasso may not be
Posted Nov 30, 2010


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Homer, Leonardo da Vinci, Shakespeare, Mozart, and Tolstoy; Galileo, Newton, Darwin, Curie, and Einstein. What do these world-famous figures in the arts and sciences have in common?--apart from the fact that their achievements are a century or more old. Most of us would probably answer something like this: all ten individuals through their work permanently changed the way that humanity perceived the world: each possessed something we call genius. But pressed to be more precise, we find it remarkably hard to define genius, especially among individuals of our own time.

Despite his fame and influence, Pablo Picasso's stature as a genius is still debated, for example, as is that of Virginia Woolf in literature. In science, Stephen Hawking, although often regarded by the general public as a contemporary genius comparable with Einstein, is not accepted as such by the physicists who fully understand his work; they regard Hawking as only one of several current luminaries in the field of cosmology.

Genius is highly individual and unique, of course, yet it shares a compelling, inevitable quality--for the general public and professionals alike. Darwin's ideas are still required reading for every working biologist; they continue to generate fresh thinking and experiments around the world. So do Einstein's theories among physicists. Shakespeare's plays and Mozart's melodies and harmonies continue to move people in languages and cultures far removed from their native England and Austria. Contemporary ‘geniuses' may come and go, but the idea of genius will not let go of us. Genius is the name we give to a quality of work that transcends fashion, fame, and reputation: the opposite of a period piece. Somehow, genius abolishes both the time and the place of its origin.

The word genius has its roots in Roman antiquity; in Latin, genius described the tutelary (guardian) spirit of a person, place, institution, and so on, which linked these to the forces of fate and the rhythms of time. Among the Romans, the idea of genius had no necessary relationship with ability or exceptional creativity.

Not until the Enlightenment did genius acquire its distinctly different, chief modern meaning: an individual who demonstrates exceptional intellectual or creative powers, whether inborn or acquired (or both). Homer, despite two millennia of veneration as a divinely inspired poet, did not become a ‘genius' until the 18th century. This later usage derives from the Latin ingenium (not from genius), meaning ‘natural disposition', ‘innate ability', or ‘talent'. It was already in wide currency in 1711, when Joseph Addison published an article on ‘Genius' in his newly established journal The Spectator. ‘There is no character more frequently given to a writer than that of being a genius', wrote Addison. ‘There is not a heroic scribbler in the nation that has not his admirers who think him a great genius; and as for your smatterers in tragedy, there is scarce a man among them who is not cried up by one or other for a prodigious genius.'

In the middle of the 18th century, Samuel Johnson attempted a definition that is recognizably modern in its emphasis on genius as being something achievable through dedication. According to Johnson, ‘...ince a genius, whatever it be, is like fire in the flint, only to be produced by collision with a proper subject, it is the business of every man to try whether his faculties may not happily cooperate with his desires, and since they whose proficiency he admires, knew their own force only by the event, he needs but engage in the same undertaking, with equal spirit, and may reasonably hope for equal success.'

Not long after, Johnson's friend, the painter Joshua Reynolds, noted in his Discourses on Art that: ‘The highest ambition of every Artist is to be thought a man of Genius.' But in 1826, the critic William Hazlitt suggested in his essay ‘Whether genius is conscious of its powers?': ‘No really great man ever thought himself so. ... He who comes up to his own idea of greatness, must always have had a very low standard of it in his mind.' Picasso, for instance, said publicly: ‘When I am alone with myself, I cannot regard myself as an artist. In the strict sense of the word. The great painters were Giotto, Rembrandt, and Goya.'

The scientific study of genius began with the publication in 1869 of Hereditary Genius: An Inquiry into its Laws and Consequences by Darwin's cousin Francis Galton, the founder of psychology, who conducted detailed research on the backgrounds, lives, and achievements of illustrious individuals and their relatives, deceased and living. But strangely, there is hardly a mention of ‘genius' in Galton's book; no attempt is made to define genius; and no entry for ‘genius' appears in the book's index (unlike ‘intelligence'). When Galton published a second edition in 1892, he regretted his title and wished he could change it to Hereditary Ability. ‘There was not the slightest intention on my part to use the word genius in any technical sense, but merely as expressing an ability that was exceptionally high,' he wrote in a new preface. ‘There is much that is indefinite in the application of the word genius. It is applied to many a youth by his contemporaries, but more rarely by biographers, who do not always agree among themselves.'

That unavoidable imprecision persists today. Although certain individuals may be widely accepted as geniuses, there cannot be a consensus on exactly who is, and is not, a genius. Indeed, this paradox is part of genius's allure--to academics studying genius almost as much as to Dr Johnson's ‘every man'.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sudden-genius/201011/can-we-define-genius
 
Really u don’t think he is a genius :lol:

Don’t let the hate of his coonisms cloud ur judgement doude is a genius.

Its laughable to think Kanye isn't a genius???
What has he done that is genius-level?
I like Kanye and own his first 4 albums
Bob Marley, James Brown, Prince, Quincy, Curtis Mayfield, MJ, Stevie, Miles are musical geniuses
Kanye isn't in my top 5 hiphop producers
People just ran with that genius label for KW
 
Its laughable to think Kanye isn't a genius???
What has he done that is genius-level?
I like Kanye and own his first 4 albums
Bob Marley, James Brown, Prince, Quincy, Curtis Mayfield, MJ, Stevie, Miles are musical geniuses
Kanye isn't in my top 5 hiphop producers
People just ran with that genius label for KW

again I aint saying that man is NOT brilliant and has a legendary ear...

but GENIUS?

and YES I am adding in his off the court stuff...

cause it DOES matter.

Say what yo want about R. Kelly.

I could legit understand the genius label.

He is also a pedophile who loves underage girls.

Unfortunately MANY of the greats were that and more.

but he even admitted as much on his records.

Kanye descent into this mess we see before us..legit mars his music but to ME at least in a DIFFERENT way than Kelly

And I don;rt rock with R. Kelly anymore either.
 
Really u don’t think he is a genius :lol:

Don’t let the hate of his coonisms cloud ur judgement doude is a genius.
Being a genius means not walking around trying to prove to everyone you are. Nigga ain't no Genius. He's Manic and Bi-Polar. That's fuckin it!!!

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again I aint saying that man is NOT brilliant and has a legendary ear...

but GENIUS?

yup great producer, great ear, super passionate but genius-level?
Not sure I would give that label to more than 12-15 musicians in history
Yeezy ain't close to that list
 
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According to definition above, yes.

Kanye is gifted at cultivating talent. Musically, he made the right decisions at the right times.

But just what if...what if...hypothetically speaking..He takes a serious run at potus, galvanised the right to vote for him based on his maga ploy, and had just enough celebrity to get moderate/left votes...And once in, focused his politics on black/hip-hop community...the ol Trojan horse maneuver.

His coonin is too over the top to be real. And sneaking Larry Hoover stuff in the conversation was a chess move. Like it or not
 
but its how you DEFINE genius though.

many of his BEST productions?

were collaborations.

I guess there is GENIUS to a degree in that, but isn't a STRETCHING of the definition?

Prince could play multiple instruments write sing dance compose produce....

I bet GOOD money Kanye can't write an ACTUAL composition...and even THAT is not a barameter to genius...

but if we talking MUSICAL GENIUS...

damn we then are saying he is in the SAME class as Miles Davis.

The title of genius gets thrown around way too loosely. Many people who've called Kanye that know very little to nothing of whom he is influenced by musically. Sometimes people have a "genius way" of making the less conventional practice or what would be a considered an acquired taste more palatable to the easily impressed/least knowledgeable people who aren't willing to do the research. And to add that being considered a genius was more so a branding thing that stuck because of his character and popularity. It's not even a debate that he doesn't come close to real deal composers. He's trying to finesse the fashion world the way he did hip hop. He has some great albums under his name, but so do a lot of other highly talented and influential dirtbags. Including other masterful plagiarist. That's not uncommon in music.

To me he comes off as someone who is jealous of white and gay male privilege. He wants their recognition amongst their target audience. When he brings up other designers and philosophers/thiefs, he leaves out what really made them what they are at the time they reached peak of their notoriety. That's why he doesn't get respect by people who know better. He's more of a tool now than he ever was.

He went on Twitter the other day talking about how Sony wouldn't let him buy back his catologue now that he's gotten the money to do it. I'm willing to bet all this shucking and jiving was for the cash to buy it back and solve his money problems. And Sony was like, muthafucka please. Cash or not.
 
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but its how you DEFINE genius though.

many of his BEST productions?

were collaborations.

I guess there is GENIUS to a degree in that, but isn't a STRETCHING of the definition?

Prince could play multiple instruments write sing dance compose produce....

I bet GOOD money Kanye can't write an ACTUAL composition...and even THAT is not a barameter to genius...

but if we talking MUSICAL GENIUS...

damn we then are saying he is in the SAME class as Miles Davis.

I define it as someone who can influence a generation based of there thoughts,intellect, or actions alone. That my definition you can google what I wrote you won’t see it but here:eek:
 
Kanye's not a genius. If he were a genius, all of his "crazy ideas" would come to fruition or at least close to it. Kanye just talks a lot of shit. Quincy Jones is above your average genius. One of the greatest composers/ producers in history.

I woudn't call Shakespeare or Darwin genuises.
 
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I'm not sure how he did it, but no one has gotten more people to parrot the genius bullshit more than Kanye West. He's a great sampler and makes good music. That's it.
His ear for music is hands down top 5 as a hip hop producer.. you really have to be a curator of music to find obscure songs no one even knows about..
 
Kanye's not a genius. If he were a genius, all of his "crazy ideas" would come to fruition or at least close to it. Kanye just talks a lot of shit. Quincy Jones is above your average genius. One of the greatest composers/ producers in history.

I woudn't call Shakespeare or Darwin genuises.
Who are you to judge genius? That’s like rounding up a bunch of blind people and having them judge a beauty pageant.
 
His ear for music is hands down top 5 as a hip hop producer.. you really have to be a curator of music to find obscure songs no one even knows about..

Well I said he's a great sampler and makes good music. So I think we're in agreement. He makes good music..but so does Drake. They make good music. There is nothing genius about it. I know Kanye caught feelings about it but Quincy was right when he made his remark about people like Kanye being overhyped. He can sample music + produce. he can't read or write music. He doesn't play any instruments. He doesn't even write his own rhymes. I feel like everyone plays to his fragile ass ego by continuously needing to call him a genius. Even when people aren't talking about his music, they had to say "Well, Kanye is a genius".... i think they say that shit for his ego + so that people overlook that he can barely put together a coherent thought in interviews. So they're like.. he can't express himself clearly in interviews, but he's a genius. Fuck that coonin ass nigga. I don't hear any other modern artist being called a "genius" except for Kanye.
 
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My thing is...

ALL OF HIS FRIENDS PEERS AND RELATIVES say the same DAMN thing...

he is inarticulate as hell and has difficulty formulating ideas and expressing most of the time...

So basically this is the interaction...

Ye: Scoopdypoopsciopidypeeppopidyscoop...

"regular" tlented person: Of I get it... "She take my money..."

Ye: YEAH EXACTLY FAM!!! THAT WAS WHAT I BEEN SAYING!!!!

how that genius?
 
Musically, modern musically, I think he is.

But he broken.

How? how many classic albums or songs does he have? Kanye is way overhyped in terms of what he actually does, musically. His outrageous behavior has earned him more praise than he deserves. MJ was a genius. Miles davis was a genius. Quincy was a genius. Prince was a genius. Kanye has one great album and a bunch of good ones and then sucks up all the air with his behavior. He's not even remotely on the level of the other artists I mentioned.

Being bipolar doesn't make you a genius.
 
How? how many classic albums or songs does he have? Kanye is way overhyped in terms of what he actually does, musically. His outrageous behavior has earned him more praise than he deserves. MJ was a genius. Miles davis was a genius. Quincy was a genius. Prince was a genius. Kanye has one great album and a bunch of good ones and then sucks up all the air with his behavior. He's not even remotely on the level of the other artists I mentioned.

Being bipolar doesn't make you a genius.

...and that’s the problem w/ ppl who place that label on him...they think everyone who’s socially awkward and an introvert who behaves erratically/eccentrically coupled w/ above average talent is a “genius”
 
Musically, modern musically, I think he is.

But he broken.


I was the BIGGEST Kanye fan and got the threads on hear as proof (unfortunately)

but more and more...

I think the Sway interview really showed us all this WAY before it happened.

I don't know if he is a GENIUS

and I DID before

he has a good ear for beats
determined
self absorbed
egotistical
delusional
emotional
bipolar
petty
cocky
conceited
arrogant

...that is the basic ingredients to a pop star.
 
a true genius has god talking to
them in their ear
in other words,they are so connected to the creator
the info that they receive is hard to process
you don't have individuals that are perfect
you do have some every so often that are
extraordinary
this is the god expressed in a lessor form
all of us are made of what is god
some are expressing it more strongly
 
IMHO, a musical genius makes music that can go past their genre. Even people who aren't into that type of music will go :yes: "Yeah, I can get into this." Also helps to do something groundbreaking.

Don't know how much Kanye fits that description, but no doubt he isn't a slouch at what he does.
 
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