What does it take to have a Black Film Industry? Let's Get Into Specifics...

[cashwhisperer]

I'm not a filmmaker (yet) but I have experience as a videographer/editor. My main experience is in audio production.

Though I've yet to make my own film, I do know there are many hats to be worn in the process. But in the digital/information age, hasn't it gotten MUCH easier to do EVERYTHING related to media?

What's holding us back from branching off from Hollywood and having our own smaller, but powerful engine?

 

[cashwhisperer]

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A white woman says Jada Pinkett Smith is all wrong about the Oscars

I can't say I disagree with this jewish cac bitch either. I disagree with her about Jada being mad cuz Will didn't get a nomination. But everything else she said made perfect sense to me.

"As a jew I would never feel completely embraced or accepted in Germany...form your own. Be in lockstep with people as like minded who are as capable as anyone else. but it you honestly think you can't succeed in the system that exists then you have to create a parallel system where you are yours are welcomed and embraced, promoted and supported and encouraged...no one's gonna give it to you."

 

[ZuluSam]

Distribution...even if you make the films... you have to get them into theaters....

 

[MonkeyBizness]

Here are the elements.
Creative.
Talent.
Production.
Post-production.
Distribution.
Support.

Distribution is the main issue. Theaters. DVD. VOD. International. On and on. This is the way the film industry makes money.

Support is the next issue. If people are getting up and going to see the flicks, no way it will succeed.

 

[Mello Mello]

Distribution...even if you make the films... you have to get them into theaters....

That's it.

Thats the biggest hurdle for black films or having a black hollywood.

I've heard some ideas about having a black netflix that would work but we need to reach not only black people in the US but markets abroad.

 

[cashwhisperer]

Distribution...even if you make the films... you have to get them into theaters....

I hear that, but at the same time, you won't find every product in Walmart, doesn't mean somebody somewhere else isn't making a killing off of a prodauct that Walmart won't sell. You get my analogy.

Out of the gate we need to think outside the box on that. And at the same time, develop some smaller but dope, nice and well maintained theaters that play black movies. It's not impossible.

 

[cashwhisperer]

That's it.

Thats the biggest hurdle for black films or having a black hollywood.

I've heard some ideas about having a black netflix that would work but we need to reach not only black people in the US but markets abroad.

A black netflix more in reach of black folks than any brick and mortar theater right now imo. The niggas on this board alone with all the coding knowledge could create a black netflix. My guess is all you need is a strong investment in servers??

 

[younggiftedandblack]

A black netflix more in reach of black folks than any brick and mortar theater right now imo. The niggas on this board alone with all the coding knowledge could create a black netflix. My guess is all you need is a strong investment in servers??

There's already a black Netflix https://kweli.tv/#/join

We already have the:

Creative.
Talent.
Production.
Post-production.

It's 2016, I don't think the excuse of distribution is that big of a deal anymore with the internet and physical media.

The BIG issue is support. Not only getting people to watch what's made, but PAY for what they are consuming.

 

[deobiggie]

It wont happen. The Jews own all of the outlets.

 

[kefta]

I'm not a filmmaker (yet) but I have experience as a videographer/editor. My main experience is in audio production.

Though I've yet to make my own film, I do know there are many hats to be worn in the process. But in the digital/information age, hasn't it gotten MUCH easier to do EVERYTHING related to media?

What's holding us back from branching off from Hollywood and having our own smaller, but powerful engine?

You really asking this question? Really? You really do not know what it is that is "holding us back"?

 

[water]

There's already a black Netflix https://kweli.tv/#/join

We already have the:

Creative.
Talent.
Production.
Post-production.

It's 2016, I don't think the excuse of distribution is that big of a deal anymore with the internet and physical media.

The BIG issue is support. Not only getting people to watch what's made, but PAY for what they are consuming.

thanks for that link bro


also check out Afrostream

 

[Mello Mello]

A black netflix more in reach of black folks than any brick and mortar theater right now imo. The niggas on this board alone with all the coding knowledge could create a black netflix. My guess is all you need is a strong investment in servers??

There's already a black Netflix https://kweli.tv/#/join

We already have the:

Creative.
Talent.
Production.
Post-production.

It's 2016, I don't think the excuse of distribution is that big of a deal anymore with the internet and physical media.

The BIG issue is support. Not only getting people to watch what's made, but PAY for what they are consuming.

What I''m getting at is black films can't survive just on black dollars alone. Especially if our creative ambitions take us into 100 million dollar + range of movie production. We need to create new markets to consume our films and churn them out on a consistent basis. That means distributing world wide.

We need to get distribution into other countries outside the United States, we have to create markets for black film in other countries and expand the consumer base of people who enjoy watching black films.

 

[SoulPatch]

There's already a black Netflix https://kweli.tv/#/join

We already have the:

Creative.
Talent.
Production.
Post-production.

It's 2016, I don't think the excuse of distribution is that big of a deal anymore with the internet and physical media.

The BIG issue is support. Not only getting people to watch what's made, but PAY for what they are consuming.

Correct. Lack of distribution channels is only a problem as it relates to theatrical release.

The main issue is quality control and the ability to deliver products on a consistent and timely basis.

There's plenty of people out there with creative talent and ideas. But few of them have skill. That requires knowledge and industry skill. As you know skill comes with practice. So what is really need is urban filmmaking incubators around the country where young people can earn a buck while getting better at their craft.

 

[gene cisco]

Money from the target audience. Period. End of story.

People aren't going to invest in shit that won't pay. With the Internet, the ability to reach the black audience is there. But is it profitable? It depends. Things have to be carefully analyzed. Certain things aren't going to crossover to white(mainstream), so everything has to be carefully calculated. Build profits slowly. Can't dump $100 million into a project that might not crossover.

Step by step, and it can be done.

 

[tallblacknyc]

I'm not a filmmaker (yet) but I have experience as a videographer/editor. My main experience is in audio production.

Though I've yet to make my own film, I do know there are many hats to be worn in the process. But in the digital/information age, hasn't it gotten MUCH easier to do EVERYTHING related to media?

What's holding us back from branching off from Hollywood and having our own smaller, but powerful engine?

the answer is nothing is holding us back..if u built it they will come..everybody talking about theatres and shit..last time i checked there's a whole circuit of dvd buyer's and stream watchers..make ur movies for those avenues and people will support..perfect example mad people on here saw raid redemption part 1 and 2 both those movies was in extremely small amount of theatres for a very limited of time in very few states which means most people saw them shits either on dvd or some type of streaming site..we could have been branched off the question is how many actually wanted to or are goin to..the past 16 yrs tech was created for the independant market to capitalize and become it's own enitity the question is whose gonna utilize it

 

[cashwhisperer]

Money from the target audience. Period. End of story.

People aren't going to invest in shit that won't pay. With the Internet, the ability to reach the black audience is there. But is it profitable? It depends. Things have to be carefully analyzed. Certain things aren't going to crossover to white(mainstream), so everything has to be carefully calculated. Build profits slowly. Can't dump $100 million into a project that might not crossover.

Step by step, and it can be done.

Yeah def needs to build carefully. The model that Tariq is using doesn't seem bad at all with Hidden Colors. My guess is as long as the shit is dope or meaningful to black people they will find it. Look at what happened with Snow on Da Bluff. Which btw, there is a Trapflix.com, but that shit is mostly "gabbage" content.

I remember John Singleton slamming black filmmakers about half-assing it. W do have an abundance of that problem.

John Singleton: 'A Lot of Black Filmmakers Half-Ass the S--t'

On the eve 'Boyz n The Hood's' 24th anniversary, John Singleton spoke with The Root about his legendary film and the state of contemporary black filmmaking.

http://www.colorlines.com/articles/john-singleton-lot-black-filmmakers-half-ass-s-t

 

[gene cisco]

the answer is nothing is holding us back..if u built it they will come..everybody talking about theatres and shit..last time i checked there's a whole circuit of dvd buyer's and stream watchers..make ur movies for those avenues and people will support..perfect example mad people on here saw raid redemption part 1 and 2 both those movies was in extremely small amount of theatres for a very limited of time in very few states which means most people saw them shits either on dvd or some type of streaming site..we could have been branched off the question is how many actually wanted to or are goin to..the past 16 yrs tech was created for the independant market to capitalize and become it's own enitity the question is whose gonna utilize it

This right here.

 

[tallblacknyc]

It wont happen. The Jews own all of the outlets.

if i copped a dvd duplicator and some blank dvd's and burned my material on to it and decided to sell my shit out the trunk do jews own that??? if i use social media and youtube and told people to hit me up so i can drive to them or mail them my product do the jews own that?? how bout using my phone and texting all the people in my phone that i got a movie available hit me up if u wanna buy a copy do the jews own that?? it's always ways to move product without needing "them"

 

[geechiedan]

I'll just post what I said about this earlier:

I've fantasized and scenario'd for a while what your talking about and the unfortunately the conclusion I keep coming to is..Black Hollywood wouldn't start off like the Negro Leagues...it WOULD BE the Negro Leagues.

And like the MLB, Hollywood would marginalize it and use it as farm system to cherry pick the best talent all the while blocking distribution or them being distribution for it which makes it a subsidiary of cac industries. Blacks would use it to build up a resume just so they can walk across the street to get those higher paying gigs in hollywood. They would rather fly coach in the white mans plane that sit in first class in their own.

There would very little loyalty and as the more popular more talented blacks are offered more money by cacs to come over the fence they would say its just business draining black hollywood of its best more popular talent (becuz we know an aspect of their deal would be you either play with us or you don't..ever)

And Black Hollywood would go the way the Negro Leagues went and eventually peter out after 10 or so years or stay marginalized until its novelty factor was no longer viable.

Unless you can show me a big change in the business model thats the only most likely conclusion I keep coming up with

 

[ballscout1]

Here are the elements.
Creative.
Talent.
Production.
Post-production.
Distribution.
Support.

Distribution is the main issue. Theaters. DVD. VOD. International. On and on. This is the way the film industry makes money.

Support is the next issue. If people are getting up and going to see the flicks, no way it will succeed.

in a nutshell


might want to add a theater chain to that cause just because it's there doesn't mean they will show it..

 

[deobiggie]

if i copped a dvd duplicator and some blank dvd's and burned my material on to it and decided to sell my shit out the trunk do jews own that??? if i use social media and youtube and told people to hit me up so i can drive to them or mail them my product do the jews own that?? how bout using my phone and texting all the people in my phone that i got a movie available hit me up if u wanna buy a copy do the jews own that?? it's always ways to move product without needing "them"

But in the end its about making it lucrative. The way your talking about puts about 5000 middle men in the picture. So the studio paying to make the film will see about 5% of that loot. In the end it will fail so you see what im talking about. Im not saying that this is what i wish would happen. I just see alot of people getting fucked up for even attempting it. THey will get you like they got J prince, Erv Gotti and Damon Dash for trying to distribute their own shit. Cause you always got a shady MF like Jay Z that will sell another brotha down the river shucking and jiving for massa so he can b the head house nigga!

 

[knightmelodic]

Distribution...even if you make the films... you have to get them into theaters....

This right here is the second biggest problem. The biggest problem will be the establishment trying to derail the whole project. And failing that, infiltrating and siphoning resources in an effort to make it THEIR profit.

 

[trstar]

Just start making movies.

There's a BGOL member that does "hood films" now. How much would it take to make a romantic comedy? A SciFi film? A coming of life story?

Hell those Zane skin flicks could be re-made as a monthly series.

 

[cashwhisperer]

I'll just post what I said about this earlier:

I've fantasized and scenario'd for a while what your talking about and the unfortunately the conclusion I keep coming to is..Black Hollywood wouldn't start off like the Negro Leagues...it WOULD BE the Negro Leagues.

And like the MLB, Hollywood would marginalize it and use it as farm system to cherry pick the best talent all the while blocking distribution or them being distribution for it which makes it a subsidiary of cac industries. Blacks would use it to build up a resume just so they can walk across the street to get those higher paying gigs in hollywood. They would rather fly coach in the white mans plane that sit in first class in their own.

There would very little loyalty and as the more popular more talented blacks are offered more money by cacs to come over the fence they would say its just business draining black hollywood of its best more popular talent (becuz we know an aspect of their deal would be you either play with us or you don't..ever)

And Black Hollywood would go the way the Negro Leagues went and eventually peter out after 10 or so years or stay marginalized until its novelty factor was no longer viable.

Unless you can show me a big change in the business model thats the only most likely conclusion I keep coming up with

What about focusing on the global market?

And I'm not sure I accept that it would totally be the negro leagues. I don't think Black people should limit themselves to just Black Hollywood, we just need more black folks running things, running things SUPERBLY, behind the camera as well as owning the operation. Good is Good.

I think as more blacks see the light around how cacs really are they will volunteer to support Black Hollywood because the material speaks to them and they want to buy black. As far as distribution is concerned, we simply have to build it and use an alternative means. I don't see that as a problem. Can you explain how they would block distribution?

 

[tallblacknyc]

What I''m getting at is black films can't survive just on black dollars alone. Especially if our creative ambitions take us into 100 million dollar + range of movie production. We need to create new markets to consume our films and churn them out on a consistent basis. That means distributing world wide.

We need to get distribution into other countries outside the United States, we have to create markets for black film in other countries and expand the consumer base of people who enjoy watching black films.

most films don't need a 100 million dollar budget..majority of those budgets are for overpriced actors paychecks and a lot of mismanagement of funds, pretty sure a lot of pocketing takes place also..if u been to movie sets nigs be having daily multi thousand dollar catering services with most of the food not even getting eating and thrown out..it's mad wasteful shit that be goin on behind closed doors that u can cut the budget from

 

[Built4Life]

We live in a new day. You don't ha

most films don't need a 100 million dollar budget..majority of those budgets are for overpriced actors paychecks and a lot of mismanagement of funds, pretty sure a lot of pocketing takes place also..if u been to movie sets nigs be having daily multi thousand dollar catering services with most of the food not even getting eating and thrown out..it's mad wasteful shit that be goin on behind closed doors that u can cut the budget from

Yep. The production is not the problem. Money goes to the top and is wasteful. Sometimes you have crew members making less than scale with as skeleton crew while actors are pulling in millions.

 

[blackmarket]

I'll just post what I said about this earlier:

I've fantasized and scenario'd for a while what your talking about and the unfortunately the conclusion I keep coming to is..Black Hollywood wouldn't start off like the Negro Leagues...it WOULD BE the Negro Leagues.

And like the MLB, Hollywood would marginalize it and use it as farm system to cherry pick the best talent all the while blocking distribution or them being distribution for it which makes it a subsidiary of cac industries. Blacks would use it to build up a resume just so they can walk across the street to get those higher paying gigs in hollywood. They would rather fly coach in the white mans plane that sit in first class in their own.

There would very little loyalty and as the more popular more talented blacks are offered more money by cacs to come over the fence they would say its just business draining black hollywood of its best more popular talent (becuz we know an aspect of their deal would be you either play with us or you don't..ever)

And Black Hollywood would go the way the Negro Leagues went and eventually peter out after 10 or so years or stay marginalized until its novelty factor was no longer viable.

Unless you can show me a big change in the business model thats the only most likely conclusion I keep coming up with

sad but true. the first step towards a viable Black Film industry (or any industry) is reeducation away from that self-hating, house negro, "the white mans ice is colder" mindset thats been ingrained in us collectively. unfortunately thats a big step for a lot of us

 

[Mr. Bizkits]

I'll just post what I said about this earlier:

I've fantasized and scenario'd for a while what your talking about and the unfortunately the conclusion I keep coming to is..Black Hollywood wouldn't start off like the Negro Leagues...it WOULD BE the Negro Leagues.

And like the MLB, Hollywood would marginalize it and use it as farm system to cherry pick the best talent all the while blocking distribution or them being distribution for it which makes it a subsidiary of cac industries. Blacks would use it to build up a resume just so they can walk across the street to get those higher paying gigs in hollywood. They would rather fly coach in the white mans plane that sit in first class in their own.

There would very little loyalty and as the more popular more talented blacks are offered more money by cacs to come over the fence they would say its just business draining black hollywood of its best more popular talent (becuz we know an aspect of their deal would be you either play with us or you don't..ever)

And Black Hollywood would go the way the Negro Leagues went and eventually peter out after 10 or so years or stay marginalized until its novelty factor was no longer viable.

Unless you can show me a big change in the business model thats the only most likely conclusion I keep coming up with

Great Analogy! We need black owned franchise sports also in the same breath.

 

[geechiedan]

What about focusing on the global market?

And I'm not sure I accept that it would totally be the negro leagues. I don't think Black people should limit themselves to just Black Hollywood, we just need more black folks running things, running things SUPERBLY, behind the camera as well as owning the operation. Good is Good.

as far as global markets are concerned people want see themselves on the big screen thats why youre seeing more asians or action films that locations in china..the chinese market is huge and they respond better if they see some chinese in the movies. If your talking about doing diverse cast films that headed up by blacks I'm all for that (in fact thats what I WANT to do) the question is can you get OTHER blacks on board for that. Everyone being on the same page is the key.

I think as more blacks see the light around how cacs really are they will volunteer to support Black Hollywood because the material speaks to them and they want to buy black. As far as distribution is concerned, we simply have to build it and use an alternative means. I don't see that as a problem. Can you explain how they would block distribution?

hollywood PRINTS money and money talks. Throw in a few oscars, emmys and golden globes (pats on the head from white daddy) and cats WILL jump the fense. As far as blocking distribution..cacs and jews have the main distributions companies overseas locked up. Think of it like drug dealers trying to carve out territory...same thing

 

[GAMBINO]

Im trying to do that right now. I started a company called VMM-TV where I am creating my own content and I am also helping up and coming filmmakers from the black community to submit their work to my company to distribute to the digital world. I am encouraging black and latino filmmakers to create content and I can help them get their work out there to be seen.

 

[cashwhisperer]

as far as global markets are concerned people want see themselves on the big screen thats why youre seeing more asians or action films that locations in china..the chinese market is huge and they respond better if they see some chinese in the movies. If your talking about doing diverse cast films that headed up by blacks I'm all for that (in fact thats what I WANT to do) the question is can you get OTHER blacks on board for that. Everyone being on the same page is the key.

You should be able to. There is a lot of hungry talent out here. The leadership needs to be there of course. But it just depends on how bad Black folks want it. Some of us are cool with plantation life.

hollywood PRINTS money and money talks. Throw in a few oscars, emmys and golden globes (pats on the head from white daddy) and cats WILL jump the fense. As far as blocking distribution..cacs and jews have the main distributions companies overseas locked up. Think of it like drug dealers trying to carve out territory...same thing

Like I said, I wouldn't expect black people to not hop the fence, but we don't own JACK SHIT, so SOMEBODY has to get the ball rollin on us not simply being servants in this situation.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

Can't be done until we focus more on black awareness and black pride. I was thinking about this the other day there's more black people that are apathetic than those who care. And double those who are just flat our oreos.

 

[cashwhisperer]

Can't be done until we focus more on black awareness and black pride. I was thinking about this the other day there's more black people that are apathetic than those who care. And double those who are just flat our oreos.

You don't need all of black people to make the films. You do need black people support it, but black people WILL support it if the shit is good and to standard.

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

Can't be done until we focus more on black awareness and black pride. I was thinking about this the other day there's more black people that are apathetic than those who care. And double those who are just flat our oreos.

Most of us couldn't imagine being without white people. There's also the fact that most of us enjoy talking a lot. Distribution? The only reason to show your film in theatres is for Oscar nominations. Other than that, either screen it at your local non national Cineplex, or, put it online like any decent human being in the 21st century.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

You don't need all of black people to make the films. You do need black people support it, but black people WILL support it if the shit is good and to standard.

I hear you. I wasn't saying all of black people to make it. I was thinking support. But they won't is what i'm saying. Not enough unity.