What do you think about UFOs?

Tripster

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I have to admit, that ever since I was a kid I was very much fixated on the whole UFO (Unidentified Flying Object) phenomenon. I read countless books and watched countless television documentaries concerning UFOs, Aliens, etc. But as I got older, I started to believe that it was all just figments of people's imagination, and that every UFO "sighting" had some reasonable explanation to it.

But recently, after watching a very compelling UFO documentary, and researching past sighting events such as "The Nuremberg Event of 1561" and the sightings by General Kujō Yoritsune in the year 1235, I began to develop a theory on this entire UFO phenomenon.

My theory was that "Aliens" aren't really "Aliens" in the sense that we think of...another species, coming from a planet far, far away. Not at all. I actually think that these "sightings" of UFOs (the ones that aren't military experiments or hoaxes) are actually human time travelers.

What if 10,000 years from now, when nearly every theory we had about physics (relativity, gravity, light being the fastest speed possible, the grandfather paradox) was disproven and our technology had allowed us to travel "back" in time? What if we actually LOOKED like what people have claimed in sightings as little grey men 10,000 years from now? Is it so hard to imagine? Did we not look totally different as a species 10,000 years ago, with bigger jaws and smaller heads?

This theory would explain why UFOs (the "real" ones) have been so elusive in history. If you were travelling back in time and you did not want to affect future events (at least the ones you didn't want to affect), would you not remain elusive? Surely with the level of technology available 10,000 years from now, cloaking (visual and radar) is no problem.

However, every now and then, something screws up and they get detected but they have always been able to get away.

Now what will really bake your brain is that if a time traveler came back in time with the intention of affecting future events, would we even know it? From our perception, everything would be normal and happend the way it was supposed to, and we would be naive to any "shifts" in reality.

Here is a website I found very interesting. It was good to see that other people had a similar theory.

http://nostradamus.time-loops.net/UFO.htm

Here's an excerpt from the site:
How would UFO sightings fit into the general characteristics time travel experiments would be expected to have:

Events and consequences without cause or logical explanation
Relationship with the future
Avoids impact on history.
Happen frequently
Documented



Without cause or logical explanation
We don't know much about where these objects might come from, we just seem to suddenly share a moment with them. The objects just happen to be there, flying from A to B; from that point of view there seems to be no cause or explanation about how they got here.

Relationship with the future
UFO's are normally seen as high tech flying objects. They move at high speeds and can make fast turns and accelerate even faster. Our current technology cannot achieve what these contraptions apparently already manage to do for many years. However if science and technology continues to develop as fast as it does then we might be able to build machines that fly like UFO's in a near future.

Avoids impact on history
After an encounter with a UFO there is often no proof. Maybe there are some faint photos or a number of eyewitnesses but you can hardly speak of an impact on history.

Happen frequently
Many people have claimed to have seen mysterious flying objects that could have been UFO's.

Documented
There are elaborate reports on UFO sightings. If these encounters or sightings turn out to be future time travel experiments then these reports could possibly be usefull as some kind of proof or confirmation of receipt.


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Time travel seems to be a very advanced science. To be able to do controlled experiments the science and the technology must have advanced tremendously. Groups that have access to time travel might also have access to other advanced technology including maybe space travel.

Some of the time travel theories require extreme physical conditions and therefore experiments can could only take place in outer space where future space ships might make use of worm holes, hyperdrives, black holes and other ideas normally clasified as Science Fiction.

The technology needed to achieve the high accelerations and velocities are far from being developed and invented. If we ever do manage to create the space ships needed they could resemble UFO's.

Although the sightings of unindentified flying objects seem hardly to have had an impact on history that does not necesarilly have to be true: Since we are aware that there are high tech unknown objects flying in our skies, we will definitely try to reconstruct or reengineer these objects and investigate whether we could a similar design for a new generation of space ships which could lead to our own flying saucer technology. But if UFO's are objects from the future then the sightings in our time could contribute to its own future development. Would that not be weird indeed, and lead to some kind of paradox?




What do you think???
 
I believe in UFO's and aliens. It's arrogant for us to believe that were the only lifeform with the ability to travel great distances.
 
You can count me in on the belief that there's alien life on other planets. I also believe that some ufos might be piloted by aliens, but I believe that many ufos are experiemental u.s./other military craft. Remember when people thought that the stealth bomber was an alien vehicle?

The time travel thing is a possiblity and it's probably no more outlandish than the belief in extra-terrestrial beings.
 
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ALLGEMEIN said:
3 words. Millitary experimental planes.
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nappy said:
I believe in UFO's and aliens. It's arrogant for us to believe that were the only lifeform with the ability to travel great distances.
But WE don't. We've put men on the moon-- that's it. Mars is a far-off task. It's likely just as hard to make it to Earth from another planet as the other way... Let's say there is other intelligent life out there, but not in our solar system. Well, I'd say the odds are we will never make contact. If there is other life even within our solar system, they'd have to be SO much more advanced than us to make it possible... People take that for granted when there is no need to...
 
A "UFO" means unidentified. I could be a Piece of Pasta flying through the Air, but until you can Identify it, it's a UFO. UFO does not = Space Alien, it = Object that cannot be made out. A big headed mexican with a flashlight running across the border could be a UFO if you can't tell what the fuck it is from 1000 feet away.
 
Costanza said:
But WE don't. We've put men on the moon-- that's it. Mars is a far-off task. It's likely just as hard to make it to Earth from another planet as the other way... Let's say there is other intelligent life out there, but not in our solar system. Well, I'd say the odds are we will never make contact. If there is other life even within our solar system, they'd have to be SO much more advanced than us to make it possible... People take that for granted when there is no need to...



You may be slightly overlooking my original point. Its not an issue of the intelligent life being so far away from a perspective of distance, but they are actually US many, many years from now, when we have developed the ability to time travel. So the intelligent life is actually HUMAN life 10,000 years from now.
 
Dr. Truth said:
A "UFO" means unidentified. I could be a Piece of Pasta flying through the Air, but until you can Identify it, it's a UFO. UFO does not = Space Alien, it = Object that cannot be made out. A big headed mexican with a flashlight running across the border could be a UFO if you can't tell what the fuck it is from 1000 feet away.


Good Doctor, most people are aware of the LITERAL term for UFO. However, its generally used as a "catchall" word to identify with extra-terrestrial craft. But thanks for clearing that up for the 1 or 2 people on the planet who didn't know that. Boy, you must really be a doctor because you are so smart. :yes:
 
Life on other planets :yes:

Alien space craft buzzing the earth to pay us a visit? :smh:


Will I see an ACTUAL alien craft before I die? :smh:


I do however see UFW's every damn day! :yes:
(unidentified Fine-ass Women)
 
Tripster said:
Good Doctor, most people are aware of the LITERAL term for UFO. However, its generally used as a "catchall" word to identify with extra-terrestrial craft. But thanks for clearing that up for the 1 or 2 people on the planet who didn't know that. Boy, you must really be a doctor because you are so smart. :yes:
I won't lie, this shit is hilarious :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: good one. :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Tripster said:
You may be slightly overlooking my original point. Its not an issue of the intelligent life being so far away from a perspective of distance, but they are actually US many, many years from now, when we have developed the ability to time travel. So the intelligent life is actually HUMAN life 10,000 years from now.
I got your original point... But you pulled it directly out of your ass, there's absolutely no reason to believe that...

I prefer discusions at least slightly grounded in fact... First of all, think about chaos theory and the butterfly effect, the mere presence of future beings (let alone, if they were Grays, the fact that were discussing them) would automatically change everything... Secondly, I don't know evolution that well, but I don't think, even in 10,000 years, humans will all be anorexic, pale, big-headed motherfuckers with fly eyes.

It's a theory that can't be disproven because its not based on anything but a whimsical notion... ie I think these are actual time travelers from an ancient, lost civilization...
 
I see what you are talking about. It's kind of like at the end of that suckass movie A.I.

2,000 years later, Manhattan has become buried under several hundred feet of glacial ice and snow, and humans are extinct. Mechas continue to exist but have evolved into an almost alien form. The future mechas, in the process of excavating New York City from the ice, find David and Teddy buried in the ice and revive them. David wakes up and walks to the frozen statue of the Blue Fairy, which cracks and collapses as David touches it. With a simple touch of David’s forehead, the mechas learn his precise memories of his time and David is revered.

Using David’s memories, the mechas reconstruct the Swinton household and are able to resurrect Monica using strands of DNA from her hair (faithfully saved by Teddy). The mechas point out that the resurrection process is flawed; the person, once resurrected, will live for only one day and the process cannot ever be duplicated.





They started out looking like this.
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And after 2000 years, evolved into this.


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So what your are saying is that these things that are purported to be UFO's are just highly evolved human time travelers?
Yeah I thought about it. But if there is any truth to it, it would have to be from a future many many many millennia away. Because right now just to create and sustain a beam of plasma more than 5 or 6 feet long would take a reactor the size of the Empire State Building.
 
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Tripster said:
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all that shit - written by you

To the original OP, I was gonna let Colin handle this situation but I'll signal our little green buddies to come take care of you
 
Costanza said:
I got your original point... But you pulled it directly out of your ass, there's absolutely no reason to believe that...

I prefer discusions at least slightly grounded in fact... First of all, think about chaos theory and the butterfly effect, the mere presence of future beings (let alone, if they were Grays, the fact that were discussing them) would automatically change everything... Secondly, I don't know evolution that well, but I don't think, even in 10,000 years, humans will all be anorexic, pale, big-headed motherfuckers with fly eyes.

It's a theory that can't be disproven because its not based on anything but a whimsical notion... ie I think these are actual time travelers from an ancient, lost civilization...

If you prefer discussions that are at least "slightly" grounded in fact, and you feel, I assume, that this discussion is not such then I'm sure you realize its not worthy of your time and with that.......you know the rest. :rolleyes:
 
Tripster said:
If you prefer discussions that are at least "slightly" grounded in fact, and you feel, I assume, that this discussion is not such then I'm sure you realize its not worthy of your time and with that.......you know the rest. :rolleyes:
If you think every thread you start on this board is limited to the tweaker theories in your initial post... then go fuck yourself.

Check my first entry in the thread-- I saw the title, clicked, read your bullshit, and responded to someone else. Then you replied to me and I explained that I didn't "overlook" anything, I disregarded it.

You don't own shit here... You'd be better off taking criticism in than being defensive, because my offense is too strong for you, boy...
 
I always wondered why people want to believe badly in intelligent life on other planet anyway. I do believe in lifeforms on other planets, but not intelligent ones. I mean, if were are the only intelligent life in this universe, doesn't that make us really, really special. Why can't some people accept the fact that that may be the case?
 
Top-Cat said:
I always wondered why people want to believe badly in intelligent life on other planet anyway. I do believe in lifeforms on other planets, but not intelligent ones. I mean, if were are the only intelligent life in this universe, doesn't that make us really, really special. Why can't some people accept the fact that that may be the case?
There are thousands of other galaxies, billions even... Honestly, I have no doubt that there is more life in this universe, and probably-- very probably-- there are beings more intelligent/advanced than us. But if that life is in another galaxy... Then I guess it might as well not exist as far as we are concerned.

"And never the twain (two?) shall meet" is the phrase that comes to mind, anybody remember where its from or the correct wording?
 
Outer space is tooooooooooooooooo damn big for it to be just earth with a living life form..

Too big..
 
FiveKnuckleShuffle said:
I see what you are talking about. It's kind of like at the end of that suckass movie A.I.



So what your are saying is that these things that are purported to be UFO's are just highly evolved human time travelers?
Yeah I thought about it. But if there is any truth to it, it would have to be from a future many many many millennia away. Because right now just to create and sustain a beam of plasma more than 5 or 6 feet long would take a reactor the size of the Empire State Building.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Its just makes more sense to me than beings coming here from 1 billion light-years away or something. I'm thinking 10,000 years in the future, but perhaps its more or less considering the fact that every 5 years, our technology increases an equivalent of 100 years. There is actually an exponential growth to our technology. Think about it, we've only been flying for 100 years, and we've already sent satelittes outside of our solar system and probes to Mars and Jupiter.

I believe in 100 years maybe less, FTL (Faster Than Light) speed will be proven in a lab situation. But it would take thousands of years for us to develop the technology to not only send a vehicle that speed, but send a human in the vehicle at that speed without killing it, AND to calculate precisely where you would end up timewise, AND to confirm to the present beings that you were there in the past without adversely affecting causality.

If you were travelling in the past, and needed to show proof to future residents that you were there, but at the same time not effect anything that would change future events, you could leave something like a crop circle or Stonehenge, or something like that.
 
Top-Cat said:
I always wondered why people want to believe badly in intelligent life on other planet anyway. I do believe in lifeforms on other planets, but not intelligent ones. I mean, if were are the only intelligent life in this universe, doesn't that make us really, really special. Why can't some people accept the fact that that may be the case?

It may be the case but more and more people are beginning to believe that this line of thinking is dubious at best.

In the 60's, a professor at Cornell named Frank Drake worked out an equation designed to calculate the chances of advanced life in the cosmos based on a series of diminishing probabilaties.

Under his equation you divide the number of stars in a selected portion of the universe by the number of stars that are likely to have planetary systems; divide that by the number of planetary systems that could theoretically support life; divide that by the number on which live having arisen, advances to a state of intelligence; and so on. At each such division, the number shrinks colossally - yet with even with the most conservative inputs the number of advanced civilzations just in the Milky Way always works out somewhere in the millions.

BTW, nobody knows how many stars there are in the Milky Way. Estimates range from 100 billion to perhaps 400 billion. And the Milky Way is just one of 140 billion or so galaxies many of them larger than our own.

And given that the average distance between stars is something like 20 million million miles, crazy long even travelling at the speed of light.

But of course there may be some flying fuckernauts or astro-bastards who travel all that way just to draw some crop circes or to fuck with some redneck on a lonely Kansas road.

Or maybe not.
 
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Is there intelligent life on other planets? Yes, the numbers are there. Will we ever meet each other? Highly unlikely. I don't think people realize how immense the universe really is. Most people can't even fantom how insignificantlly small our solar system is compared to just our own galaxy. Even if faster than light travel were possible, the distances are still astronomical.

Don't believe me? Try the fictional Star Trek Warp Speed Calculator.

http://www.ussdragonstar.com/utilitycore/warpspeeds.asp

Here's just a sample of really just how big the universe really is. The most important photograph ever taken. The Hubble Deep Field images.

[flash]http://www.youtube.com/v/mcBV-cXVWFw[/flash]
 
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Costanza said:
If you think every thread you start on this board is limited to the tweaker theories in your initial post... then go fuck yourself.

Check my first entry in the thread-- I saw the title, clicked, read your bullshit, and responded to someone else. Then you replied to me and I explained that I didn't "overlook" anything, I disregarded it.

You don't own shit here... You'd be better off taking criticism in than being defensive, because my offense is too strong for you, boy...


Riiiiggghhtt, insults, I see. :yes: When you originally mentioned "other life within our solar system" in your post, I was merely trying to point out in my reply that the theory had nothing to do with OTHER life, however that WE were the life (just a future representation via time travel). If that clarification upset you in any way, it certainly wasn't my purpose or intention. I only suggested that you not waste your time on such an obviously stupid, pulled out of ass, bullshit thread in your opinion. Its appears that you got defensive. No need, its all good. I don't try to play hard on porn boards, and I don't run anything but my own business, and I'm a man not a boy.

I appreciate the feedback.
 
da_monumental_1 said:
Is there intelligent life on other planets? Yes, the numbers are there. Will we ever meet each other? Highly unlikely. I don't think people realize how immense the universe really is. Most people can't even fantom how insignificantlly small our solar system is compared to just our own galaxy. Even if faster than light travel were possible, the distances are still astronomical.

Don't believe me? Try the fictional Star Trek Warp Speed Calculator.

http://www.ussdragonstar.com/utilitycore/warpspeeds.asp

Here's just a sample of really just how big the universe really is. The most important photograph ever taken. The Hubble Deep Field images.

[flash]http://www.youtube.com/v/mcBV-cXVWFw[/flash]

Cool calculator.
 
There a people on Mars, even have pics of pyramid faces and cities, tubes and running water up their to prove it. DOnt take my word for it. There are super hi-res pics all over the internet, taken by NASA satellites decades ago. Black people probably live up there on Mars...Dont forget that black people are the only direct decendants of God (A Black Man). We are direct decendants of God and all the worlds non-black people are decendants of US (black people). Remember this shit when you think that black and you hear the masses of people preaching that black people ain't shit. Dont hate...EDUCATE.
 
If you think every thread you start on this board is limited to the tweaker theories in your initial post... then go fuck yourself.

Check my first entry in the thread-- I saw the title, clicked, read your bullshit, and responded to someone else. Then you replied to me and I explained that I didn't "overlook" anything, I disregarded it.

You don't own shit here... You'd be better off taking criticism in than being defensive, because my offense is too strong for you, boy...
Riiiiggghhtt, insults, I see. :yes: When you originally mentioned "other life within our solar system" in your post, I was merely trying to point out in my reply that the theory had nothing to do with OTHER life, however that WE were the life (just a future representation via time travel). If that clarification upset you in any way, it certainly wasn't my purpose or intention. I only suggested that you not waste your time on such an obviously stupid, pulled out of ass, bullshit thread in your opinion. Its appears that you got defensive. No need, its all good. I don't try to play hard on porn boards, and I don't run anything but my own business, and I'm a man not a boy.

I appreciate the feedback.

The point was that I wasn't replying to you and that just because the first post was bullshit, every post following it doesn't have to be.

The clarification didn't "upset" me, it was just irrelevant. I think I made why that's so pretty clear.

The language was more intended for the crowd than you, specifically... I do "play hard" because that's the tone of the board, but its just that-- playing.

Peace
 
da_monumental_1 said:
Here's just a sample of really just how big the universe really is. The most important photograph ever taken. The Hubble Deep Field images.

[flash]http://www.youtube.com/v/mcBV-cXVWFw[/flash]

Nice posting on the vid. Never tire of seeing this kind of material

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Tripster said:
Never seen it. What's it about?

The National Threat Assessment Command (NTAC), a division of the Department of Homeland Security, is in charge of dealing with the return of the 4400. There are a multitude of agents assigned to the cases of investigating the 4400. The series primarily follows two of them, Tom Baldwin and Diana Skouris, as well as their immediate superior, Dennis Ryland in season one and Nina Jarvis in seasons two and three and theory room consultant Marco Pacella.

Many of the returnees have trouble trying to get their lives back on track after being separated from their world for years. More significantly, a small number of the returnees begin to manifest paranormal abilities, such as telekinesis, telepathy, precognition, as well as other "gifts", for example in the pilot episode Shawn Farrell manifests an ability to bring a dead bird back to life. In addition, one of the 4400 (Lily Moore) has become pregnant between her disappearance and return.

The first season finale, "White Light" reveals that the 4400 were abducted, not by aliens, but by humans from the Earth's future, that Kyle Baldwin was to be their "messenger", and that they were returned to avert a catastrophe.

By the second season, it is revealed that all 4400 have a neurotransmitter called promicin in their brains which gives them their powers. The government, afraid of what this large group would do with such power, secretly doses all 4400 with a promicin-inhibitor which works on most of the 4400, but not those who were later seen with powers. The inhibitor causes a potentially fatal immune deficiency as a side effect in the returnees. It is ultimately removed from the 4400 by a dose of promiscin extracted by Kevin Burkhoff from the blood of the infant Isabelle, who was never given the inhibitor.

At the beginning of the third season, the Nova Group, a terrorist faction made up of 4400s, has made itself known. Originally formed as a "defensive" group in the aftermath of the promicin-inhibitor scandal, the Nova Group eventually goes rogue and carries out numerous terrorist attacks against the government and NTAC. The group is responsible for many terrorist attacks including the assassination of the men involved with the promicin-inhibitor conspiracy, the attempted assassination of Ryland, framing Tom Baldwin for murder, and making Shawn go temporarily insane.

During the third and fourth season, it is revealed that only a certain faction from the future wants to see history changed. Another faction, that prefers the status quo, opposes the 4400, and has sent their own operatives, including Isabelle Tyler and "The Marked" into the past. What the exact motives of both factions are has not yet been revealed.

Eventually, Jordan Collier, who declares himself the savior of humanity, makes Promiscin shots available to the general public. However, only half of the human population can actually tolerate Promicin, and thus develop superhuman abilities, while the other half would die upon taking the shot. Although the government outlawed Promicin use, thousands of previously ordinary people have developed abilities, severely complicating NTAC's task. Collier later annexed a part of Seattle and transformed it into "Promise City", a self-proclaimed paradise open to all people with abilities. Attempts to reclaim Promise City by the US government have met with little success, and considering the damage certain 4400's loyal to Collier could do, NTAC has advised caution in attempting to do so by force.

[edit] Ripple effect

Early in the first season, the "masterminds" at NTAC suspect that the 4400s have been placed in the timeline with their enhanced abilities for a purpose, to effect some change that could propagate and change the course of history.[5]

An example of this effect at work came during the third season episode "Gone, Part II", in which five 4400 children are once again abducted by the future and "seeded" back into history at different time periods. Some of the "advances" accomplished by this feat included the development of artificial petroleum and composite materials used in the first lunar colonies, according to background conversations "overheard" at NTAC. These advances are negated (restoring the original timeline) in exchange for Tom Baldwin agreeing to do whatever the future asks of him, to help prevent the "disaster" to come — which he learns is an order to kill Isabelle Tyler.[6] Tom Baldwin initially reneges on his agreement with the future humans, but the seemingly indestructible Isabelle forces his hand in the season three finale and is stripped of her 4400 abilities.
 
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