What are the dating pre-reqs in this country

Dannyblueyes

Aka Illegal Danny
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The other day I asked a woman out for coffee. She asked me what kind of car I drove. I told her I took the bus. She told me she was too busy for coffee. I've also been asked where I live (West Oakland is NOT an acceptable place to live) where I worked (student is NOT an acceptable employment.)

See, I can understand why someone wouldn't want to marry someone in my position (new immigrant with no long money), but not even going for coffee? That seems a little extreme.

In my native land that usually wouldn't happen. The cost of living is so high that many people, even professionals, don't have cars. You can say "meet me at such and such train station" and they'll actually show up there to meet you. In the Bay Area that just isn't happening.

I understand that USA doesn't have the same loser safety net that Canada has. Getting ahead either depends on doing for self or finding a significant other that can do for you.

That being said. What are the prerequisites for getting a date in the USA in general Bay Area in particular. Do I have to have a car? If so what's the threshold? What neighborhood do I have to live in? Are roommates acceptable or do I need to have my own place 100% If I decided to take that janitor job offered at Bally's would it matter? If not, how much per year do I have to earn before I can ask a woman to go out with me and reasonably expect her to say yes.
 
The other day I asked a woman out for coffee. She asked me what kind of car I drove. I told her I took the bus. She told me she was too busy for coffee. I've also been asked where I live (West Oakland is NOT an acceptable place to live) where I worked (student is NOT an acceptable employment.)

See, I can understand why someone wouldn't want to marry someone in my position (new immigrant with no long money), but not even going for coffee? That seems a little extreme.

In my native land that usually wouldn't happen. The cost of living is so high that many people, even professionals, don't have cars. You can say "meet me at such and such train station" and they'll actually show up there to meet you. In the Bay Area that just isn't happening.

I understand that USA doesn't have the same loser safety net that Canada has. Getting ahead either depends on doing for self or finding a significant other that can do for you.

That being said. What are the prerequisites for getting a date in the USA in general Bay Area in particular. Do I have to have a car? If so what's the threshold? What neighborhood do I have to live in? Are roommates acceptable or do I need to have my own place 100% If I decided to take that janitor job offered at Bally's would it matter? If not, how much per year do I have to earn before I can ask a woman to go out with me and reasonably expect her to say yes.

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  • Do you look clean?
  • Did you approach me correctly?
  • Can you make me laugh?
  • Do I find you attractive?
  • Can we hold a conversation for more than ten minutes without me wanting to kill you?
  • From said conversation, do we have like interests?


In that order, if you can do all of this, we can chill over HOT COCOA. COFFEE IS TASTELESS MUD WATER.


That is all.
 
ak MzKitty...she's from Cali


i think PK is from Cali also...he may be able to give you some pointers
 
You know what's fucked up? I've been living in this country all my life, and I still don't know the answer to that question.

I've had similar situations before I got into the relationship I'm in now. Some women don't like a man to *not* have a car, even if they don't even have one. If he's going to school, trying to better himself, she's got no time.

Just do you. Don't worry about women. The quantity of women in the world isn't dwindling, just stack your paper up, and don't worry about them. Let them worry about you. Hell, I got a woman and I'm on that right now :yes: :yes: :yes: I stopped worrying about her ass and started thinking about only myself. Greedy sounding, I know, but hell. In so many words, she told me to do that.
 
You know what's fucked up? I've been living in this country all my life, and I still don't know the answer to that question.

I've had similar situations before I got into the relationship I'm in now. Some women don't like a man to *not* have a car, even if they don't even have one. If he's going to school, trying to better himself, she's got no time.

Just do you. Don't worry about women. The quantity of women in the world isn't dwindling, just stack your paper up, and don't worry about them. Let them worry about you. Hell, I got a woman and I'm on that right now :yes: :yes: :yes: I stopped worrying about her ass and started thinking about only myself. Greedy sounding, I know, but hell. In so many words, she told me to do that.

That's all well and good, but call me a simp if you will, I just like to have female companionship that comes without dating. I also like to have sex without having to break the law to get it.' Doing you' is just fine but you can only fuck your hand for so long without having a prospect before that attitude gets played out.

That's why I ask these questions. When I told some of the local men that in Vancouver you could get laid without buying a car they were willing to move in a heartbeat. Obviously the standard is different here. I just want to know what that standard is before I humiliate myself further by stepping to women I'm not qualified to talk to.
 
  • Do you look clean?
  • Did you approach me correctly?
  • Can you make me laugh?
  • Do I find you attractive?
  • Can we hold a conversation for more than ten minutes without me wanting to kill you?
  • From said conversation, do we have like interests?


In that order, if you can do all of this, we can chill over HOT COCOA. COFFEE IS TASTELESS MUD WATER.


That is all.

If you wanted cocoa over coffee I would be glad to oblige. Really, what man wouldn't.

That being said, if you met a homeless bum who filled that criteria would you make him your man? Would you support him for a few months while he got on his feet (if ever) just because he had similar interests and could make you laugh?

I hope you said no. If so I got to ask, what would have made you say yes. Would it matter if that homeless guy had a nice box? Or would it have to have to be an apartment? If so, are roommates acceptable? If not, then how big does the unit have to be?

This is the kind of information I'm looking for. I wnat a touchstone so that I can define whether it's worth trying to get in a female's good graces or not. Without knowing what's required I will either waste my time and reputation trying to holler at women I could never get, or ignoring the whole bunch of them while wondering if I'm missing out.
 
The other day I asked a woman out for coffee. She asked me what kind of car I drove. I told her I took the bus. She told me she was too busy for coffee. I've also been asked where I live (West Oakland is NOT an acceptable place to live) where I worked (student is NOT an acceptable employment.)

See, I can understand why someone wouldn't want to marry someone in my position (new immigrant with no long money), but not even going for coffee? That seems a little extreme.

In my native land that usually wouldn't happen. The cost of living is so high that many people, even professionals, don't have cars. You can say "meet me at such and such train station" and they'll actually show up there to meet you. In the Bay Area that just isn't happening.

I understand that USA doesn't have the same loser safety net that Canada has. Getting ahead either depends on doing for self or finding a significant other that can do for you.

That being said. What are the prerequisites for getting a date in the USA in general Bay Area in particular. Do I have to have a car? If so what's the threshold? What neighborhood do I have to live in? Are roommates acceptable or do I need to have my own place 100% If I decided to take that janitor job offered at Bally's would it matter? If not, how much per year do I have to earn before I can ask a woman to go out with me and reasonably expect her to say yes.

That's all well and good, but call me a simp if you will, I just like to have female companionship that comes without dating. I also like to have sex without having to break the law to get it.' Doing you' is just fine but you can only fuck your hand for so long without having a prospect before that attitude gets played out.

That's why I ask these questions. When I told some of the local men that in Vancouver you could get laid without buying a car they were willing to move in a heartbeat. Obviously the standard is different here. I just want to know what that standard is before I humiliate myself further by stepping to women I'm not qualified to talk to.


I feel you on your statements. If you think your situation is bad, it is worst here in NYC -- and you really do not need a car to get around the city! What Brown Bear was referring to was to not buy into the whole "pre-req" thing (must have car, clothes, money, etc) because if you do, then it would just be easier to "pay" for sex and be done with it (you will come out cheaper anyway).

But seriously, you just have to look until you find the type of woman who does not judge men on material possessions or only for what he could provide her. It will be hard, like finding water in the desert.

If you're in school check out fellow students - who expects a student trying to better himself to have a car, fancy job, etc? A REAL WOMAN knows how to judge a man by his potential, not by his possessions.
 
If you wanted cocoa over coffee I would be glad to oblige. Really, what man wouldn't.

That being said, if you met a homeless bum who filled that criteria would you make him your man? Would you support him for a few months while he got on his feet (if ever) just because he had similar interests and could make you laugh?

I hope you said no. If so I got to ask, what would have made you say yes. Would it matter if that homeless guy had a nice box? Or would it have to have to be an apartment? If so, are roommates acceptable? If not, then how big does the unit have to be?

This is the kind of information I'm looking for. I wnat a touchstone so that I can define whether it's worth trying to get in a female's good graces or not. Without knowing what's required I will either waste my time and reputation trying to holler at women I could never get, or ignoring the whole bunch of them while wondering if I'm missing out.


If he's homeless? Depends on whether or not he looks or smells like he is, (or more importantly if he is exhibiting signs of mental deterioration). Should I have put smell on my list?

I don't care if you live in an apartment or a house or with your folks are a roommate. I don't care what type of car you drive or if you went to college or how much money is in your bank account, (although graduating from high school and wanting to further your education is a basic requirement until I get to know you). I don't need all of that. As long as you can approach me with respect and I get the impression that you not bullshitting me, and I can see myself having dinner with you- you can take some of my time.

As far as roomies go though, if I wanted some alone time with you I'd expect you to help with the hotel bill, ya know? But like I said all of that materialistic crap doesn't fly with me. My cuz was dating a guy a while back, (good example), and before she can tell me his name or what he look like I hear "He drive a Mercedes". :hmm: I asked her how was his personality she said he boring as fuck. :hmm: I don't care what kind of car you drive, if you boring I'm looking at the next man.
 
I concur with my brothers in this thread about alleviating yourself of the whole "pre-req" thing...either you will be hustling for a gold digger or you'll never get a woman. I understand that the conditions vary from place to place, but I fail to see the frailty in having confidence and witty conversation in any location. If your confidence is intertwined with your pay grade, then I feel sorry for you, your "self" is shallow and as fragile as the dollar itself is. As far as "ruining your reputation" and all that, man, persistence pays in these states....

One more thing, don't over analyze the dating scene. It is not debate. It is not paper for class. It is biological and social. It doesn't care how logical you are, it only rewards those who get off the bench.

...just my dime and nickel....
 
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That's all well and good, but call me a simp if you will, I just like to have female companionship that comes without dating. I also like to have sex without having to break the law to get it.' Doing you' is just fine but you can only fuck your hand for so long without having a prospect before that attitude gets played out.

That's why I ask these questions. When I told some of the local men that in Vancouver you could get laid without buying a car they were willing to move in a heartbeat. Obviously the standard is different here. I just want to know what that standard is before I humiliate myself further by stepping to women I'm not qualified to talk to.



Fuck all that other shit you just wrote... Let's zero in on this one line. "Women you're not 'qualified' to talk to?" Man, fuck that. You're talking like my cousin, now. I was telling him just a couple of weekends ago:

"Any man can talk to any woman on the face of the earth, as long as they speak the same language(s). All you need is some fucking confidence. If Beyonce walked past me, and I had enough confidence to stop her in her tracks and talk to her, I would."

And I fucking meant that shit. There isn't any "qualifications" to initiate conversation with a woman. None at all. Well, considering that you don't talk like you've got a mouth full of marshmallows, then you've got nothing to worry about.

If you wanted cocoa over coffee I would be glad to oblige. Really, what man wouldn't.

That being said, if you met a homeless bum who filled that criteria would you make him your man? Would you support him for a few months while he got on his feet (if ever) just because he had similar interests and could make you laugh?

I hope you said no. If so I got to ask, what would have made you say yes. Would it matter if that homeless guy had a nice box? Or would it have to have to be an apartment? If so, are roommates acceptable? If not, then how big does the unit have to be?

This is the kind of information I'm looking for. I wnat a touchstone so that I can define whether it's worth trying to get in a female's good graces or not. Without knowing what's required I will either waste my time and reputation trying to holler at women I could never get, or ignoring the whole bunch of them while wondering if I'm missing out.


Funny thing about the future. It isn't known. Your destiny isn't written on a stone tablet, sitting at the highest peak of Mount Olympus. No one's is. Your future is what you make of it. If you try to talk to a woman and she brushes you off, take that as a lesson. Maybe it wasn't you, maybe it's her. Maybe she's just one of those types that love for men to beg for her attention. Maybe she's a gold digger and didn't see anything profitable in talking to you. Hell, maybe she doesn't like Canadians, and could smell Vancouver in your walk, I don't know. But take my advice on this: You were probably better off.

Case in point. Today I was walking up the street in my neighborhood and saw this cute female walking my way. I didn't look aggressive, nor was I looking bummy. I paused my iPod before she even got close, and when she did, I looked her straight in the face and, loud enough that she could hear me, said "Hello," and gave her one of these :D. She looked at me for a quick second, then ignored my greeting and kept walking.

To test a theory I have, I said, in a quiet and civil voice, "Okay, fuck you too." You know she responded to that negativity, right? That means she likes drama. And I told her that. "I said 'hello' to you the first time you passed, and even shot you a smile, but you didn't respond to that. You responded to a *whisper* of negativity before you did a shout of 'niceness'." You know what she said? "Naw, I didn't hear you the first time." "Then why did you acknowledge it with a look?" "Well, I didn't know if you were talking to me, or listening to your CD Player." Nor did she try to figure out. :hmm:

Dumb broad, I had the iPod in plain eye's sight. :smh:

I say all that to say this... Women who won't give you the time of day are out there. But for every one that won't, I guarantee you there are two that will. And there is NO Prerequisite to talk to said woman/women. As long as you can talk to them WITH CONFIDENCE, you're already one foot in. :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:




I feel you on your statements. If you think your situation is bad, it is worst here in NYC -- and you really do not need a car to get around the city! What Brown Bear was referring to was to not buy into the whole "pre-req" thing (must have car, clothes, money, etc) because if you do, then it would just be easier to "pay" for sex and be done with it (you will come out cheaper anyway).

But seriously, you just have to look until you find the type of woman who does not judge men on material possessions or only for what he could provide her. It will be hard, like finding water in the desert.

If you're in school check out fellow students - who expects a student trying to better himself to have a car, fancy job, etc? A REAL WOMAN knows how to judge a man by his potential, not by his possessions.

I just quoted this one so you could read it twice. This bruh knows his shit.

I concur with my brothers in this thread about alleviating yourself of the whole "pre-req" thing...either you will be hustling for a gold digger or you'll never get a woman. I understand that the conditions vary from place to place, but I fail to see the frailty in having confidence and witty conversation in any location. If your confidence is intertwined with your pay grade, then I feel sorry for you, your "self" is shallow and as fragile as the dollar itself is. As far as "ruining your reputation" and all that, man, persistence pays in these states....

One more thing, don't over analyze the dating scene. It is not debate. It is not paper for class. It is biological and social. It doesn't care how logical you are, it only rewards those who get off the bench.

...just my dime and nickel....

This one too. :cool:
 
The other day I asked a woman out for coffee. She asked me what kind of car I drove. I told her I took the bus. She told me she was too busy for coffee. I've also been asked where I live (West Oakland is NOT an acceptable place to live) where I worked (student is NOT an acceptable employment.)

See, I can understand why someone wouldn't want to marry someone in my position (new immigrant with no long money), but not even going for coffee? That seems a little extreme.

In my native land that usually wouldn't happen. The cost of living is so high that many people, even professionals, don't have cars. You can say "meet me at such and such train station" and they'll actually show up there to meet you. In the Bay Area that just isn't happening.

I understand that USA doesn't have the same loser safety net that Canada has. Getting ahead either depends on doing for self or finding a significant other that can do for you.

That being said. What are the prerequisites for getting a date in the USA in general Bay Area in particular. Do I have to have a car? If so what's the threshold? What neighborhood do I have to live in? Are roommates acceptable or do I need to have my own place 100% If I decided to take that janitor job offered at Bally's would it matter? If not, how much per year do I have to earn before I can ask a woman to go out with me and reasonably expect her to say yes.


:lol: this post is funny on so many levels... Why do you even want to surround yourself with someone who would judge you based on your material possessions?

But to the original situation, there has to be more... If a guy walked up to me and just was like, "Hey, lets have coffee..." I'ma look at him like I don't even know you... why am I gonna disrupt my day to eat with you.. But if we got to know each other over a few telephone conversations and the conversation is good, coffee can be arranged... I don't know anything about Cali... but if the public transportation system isn't good, then maybe having a car is a necessity. Some places its not, like NY. You can't be mad if you meet someone in NYC without a car, there is no need for one there....
 
Well it all depends on where ya live. I've been on plenty of dates when I never had a car, but I was living in Brooklyn where a car is not needed. My date and I would hop on the subway and go into the city. If the chick is really feeling you none of what the OP mention would apply. Now I'm in Charlotte, you definately need a car. Shit is not like brooklyn where you can catch a dollar cab or the subway.

But then again I've had chicks come pick me up when my car was in the shop and I did'nt want to drive one of my parents car
 
San Francisco most walkable U.S. city, website says

Thu Jul 17, 12:19 AM ET

NEW YORK (Reuters) - San Francisco, New York and Boston are the United States' most walkable cities, according to new rankings from a website that evaluates how easy it is to live in the nation's cities and neighborhoods without a car.


Walkscore.com, which uses an algorithm to identify those neighborhoods boasting the most amenities per person, published its ranking on Thursday and deemed San Francisco the most walkable city, with a "Walk Score" of 86 out of 100.

The ultimate goal is to see the site's scores included in property listings, said Mike Mathieu, founder of the company that created the site's software.

"What we see is someone calling up a broker and saying 'I want three bedrooms, two baths, a walkability score of 85, what've you got?"' Mathieu said.

Type an address, and the site generates a map showing the nearby grocery stores, cafes, movie theaters, schools and parks.

New York received a score of 83, Boston a score of 79.

Scores greater than 70 indicate neighborhoods where it's possible to get by without owning a car, while scores greater than 90 qualify communities as a "Walker's Paradise."
 
:lol: this post is funny on so many levels... Why do you even want to surround yourself with someone who would judge you based on your material possessions?

But to the original situation, there has to be more... If a guy walked up to me and just was like, "Hey, lets have coffee..." I'ma look at him like I don't even know you... why am I gonna disrupt my day to eat with you.. But if we got to know each other over a few telephone conversations and the conversation is good, coffee can be arranged... I don't know anything about Cali... but if the public transportation system isn't good, then maybe having a car is a necessity. Some places its not, like NY. You can't be mad if you meet someone in NYC without a car, there is no need for one there....

Rest assured I haven't spoke to this woman since. That being said that does seem to be the vibe here. No car, no job, no apartment, no date. It doesn't matter if you're handsome, funny, caring, built like a linebacker etc. No car, no job, no apartment, no date, no exceptions. When I told some of my classmates that you could pick up a girl in Vancouver without a car they couldn't believe it.

I don't know if it's a matter of materialism though. In Vancouver fewer people expect you to drive because the cost of living is higher and it's hard to get ahead. In Oakland where things are cheaper and advancement is easier I could see why a woman would question a man's value and ambition if he's not at least driving a bucket. Same as i would question the value of a woman who's constantly getting her phone disconnected.
 
Rest assured I haven't spoke to this woman since. That being said that does seem to be the vibe here. No car, no job, no apartment, no date. It doesn't matter if you're handsome, funny, caring, built like a linebacker etc. No car, no job, no apartment, no date, no exceptions. When I told some of my classmates that you could pick up a girl in Vancouver without a car they couldn't believe it.

I don't know if it's a matter of materialism though. In Vancouver fewer people expect you to drive because the cost of living is higher and it's hard to get ahead. In Oakland where things are cheaper and advancement is easier I could see why a woman would question a man's value and ambition if he's not at least driving a bucket. Same as i would question the value of a woman who's constantly getting her phone disconnected.

I'd say if you really feel that way, like there's that kind of vibe. Consider dating women that you've gotten to know better before asking them out. I still think it's kind of strange that a woman actually asked you "What kind of car do you drive?" Maybe it's because when I was in the dating game I dated a lot of women that lived in NYC and when having a car came up they were surprised, because a lot of people don't drive in NYC.
 
I feel you on your statements. If you think your situation is bad, it is worst here in NYC -- and you really do not need a car to get around the city! What Brown Bear was referring to was to not buy into the whole "pre-req" thing (must have car, clothes, money, etc) because if you do, then it would just be easier to "pay" for sex and be done with it (you will come out cheaper anyway).

But seriously, you just have to look until you find the type of woman who does not judge men on material possessions or only for what he could provide her. It will be hard, like finding water in the desert.

If you're in school check out fellow students - who expects a student trying to better himself to have a car, fancy job, etc? A REAL WOMAN knows how to judge a man by his potential, not by his possessions.

c/s especially on the red bolded part:yes::yes:
 
OK...time to play devils advocate

i agree w/ the judging a person by their potential and not their possession to an EXTENT


so w/ that being said


is there ever a situation in which potential just isn't enough?
 
OK...time to play devils advocate

i agree w/ the judging a person by their potential and not their possession to an EXTENT


so w/ that being said


is there ever a situation in which potential just isn't enough?


Easy way to answer that question:

Hook dude up to the cathodic and anodic leads of a potentiometer, then proceed read and record his potential gradient in real time. :hmm:
 
  • Do you look clean?
  • Did you approach me correctly?
  • Can you make me laugh?
  • Do I find you attractive?
  • Can we hold a conversation for more than ten minutes without me wanting to kill you?
  • From said conversation, do we have like interests?


In that order, if you can do all of this, we can chill over HOT COCOA. COFFEE IS TASTELESS MUD WATER.


That is all.

I like that list BUT men we should start looking at women and subjecting them to a similar list. Most of the so called bad chicks probably wouldn't have hit most of the points on this list. Also remember that every women that has this list, has been F:smh:cked by a dude that didn't hit a single point on this list. Probably within in 3 days to 2 weeks.
 
Easy way to answer that question:

Hook dude up to the cathodic and anodic leads of a potentiometer, then proceed read and record his potential gradient in real time. :hmm:

:hmm:

w/e

everyone keeps saying look at potential, and potential this and potential that...ok when is POTENTIAL going to come to fruition?
 
:hmm:

w/e

everyone keeps saying look at potential, and potential this and potential that...ok when is POTENTIAL going to come to fruition?


Ju I somewhat agree with you cuz I know lots of people that had potential to do great things but are sittin around not doing shit with their lives.​
 
OK...time to play devils advocate

i agree w/ the judging a person by their potential and not their possession to an EXTENT

so w/ that being said

is there ever a situation in which potential just isn't enough?

:hmm:

w/e

everyone keeps saying look at potential, and potential this and potential that...ok when is POTENTIAL going to come to fruition?

Ju I somewhat agree with you cuz I know lots of people that had potential to do great things but are sittin around not doing shit with their lives.​

c/s Crown & Coke. While I believe that a man (and woman) should be judged on their potential and not possessions, it is easy to see when that "potential" is never going to reach fruition:

1) When that person is always engaged in a new "project", "program", or "class" that never seems to be completed.

2) When that person seems to ALWAYS place blame externally for not accomplishing any goals set.

3) When that person seems angry and unreasonably enviously as you start to realize some of your goals and ambitions.

While I am all for cutting a person slack, giving support, and giving assistance while s/he is working towards that goal, but if there is no progress at all, then it may be time to move on.
 
OK...time to play devils advocate

i agree w/ the judging a person by their potential and not their possession to an EXTENT


so w/ that being said


is there ever a situation in which potential just isn't enough?

Yes. How about a woman who graduated college 5 years ago and is still sizing shoes at JC Penny?
 
:hmm:

w/e

everyone keeps saying look at potential, and potential this and potential that...ok when is POTENTIAL going to come to fruition?

I see what you're saying. I have quite a few girlfriends who stay with worthless guys because they see the "potential". They'll stay for years and years just because "one day" he'll make money, be better, have nicer things, etc etc. I say that "potential" is NOTHING without ambition and hard work. They have to be self-motivating.
 
I see what you're saying. I have quite a few girlfriends who stay with worthless guys because they see the "potential". They'll stay for years and years just because "one day" he'll make money, be better, have nicer things, etc etc. I say that "potential" is NOTHING without ambition and hard work. They have to be self-motivating.

Yes. How about a woman who graduated college 5 years ago and is still sizing shoes at JC Penny?

I hope that this is not labeled misogynistic, but why does it seem that men have to already have the cars, clothes, etc., or at least be working towards those goals to even "approach" a woman, but women can have achieve nothing further than taking my order at KFC (with an attitude at that), have no ambition or goals, bring nothing to the table, but expect to pull above mentioned guy and "step up" in status?
 
I hope that this is not labeled misogynistic, but why does it seem that men have to already have the cars, clothes, etc., or at least be working towards those goals to even "approach" a woman, but women can have achieve nothing further than taking my order at KFC (with an attitude at that), have no ambition or goals, bring nothing to the table, but expect to pull above mentioned guy and "step up" in status?

It's because most women are hypocrites. They denounce some double standards and embrace the ones that favor them. You don't hear women complaining about reforming the female-biased family court system or complaining about how men pay for most dates or complain about how women can kill people and claim domestic abuse which no one questions and they get away with it. But you'll hear them complain about men not being up to standard or equal pay or other things.
 
I hope that this is not labeled misogynistic, but why does it seem that men have to already have the cars, clothes, etc., or at least be working towards those goals to even "approach" a woman, but women can have achieve nothing further than taking my order at KFC (with an attitude at that), have no ambition or goals, bring nothing to the table, but expect to pull above mentioned guy and "step up" in status?

What is wrong with expecting someone to be working towards their goals? :confused: Isn't that the whole point?
It is unrealistic to want someone to have it all, especially if you (in this case, the woman) has little to offer. So in that case, you would be right.

I was specifically saying that potential by itself is nothing. You need ambition and hard work to get yourself to the point you ultimately want to be. That goes for both men and women.
 
I hope that this is not labeled misogynistic, but why does it seem that men have to already have the cars, clothes, etc., or at least be working towards those goals to even "approach" a woman, but women can have achieve nothing further than taking my order at KFC (with an attitude at that), have no ambition or goals, bring nothing to the table, but expect to pull above mentioned guy and "step up" in status?

It's because women have more dating options while men have more financial options.

That being said I have no problem dating a broke woman, but I have very little patience for a poor woman.
 
San Francisco most walkable U.S. city, website says

The man said he in Oakland. You ever heard Dave Chappelle say "Welcome to Oakland bitch", it aint San Fran.- which one way out leads you through the Golden Gates right to San Quentin or the other to the Hood(Oakland, aka the dark void, aka dont come out at night) where most cats from there the farthest they go is San Quen. Aint no body wanna walk them hills in SF, where if you dont know how look out, you will end up under a trolley car or get caught in the area, them fools in China Town dont wanna hear about little Japan & them cats in Little Saigon just dont like others.

Danny- Hang out on Telegraph & University area & near berkeley; dont holla @ ghetto glams(or white hootchies that think they have black cootchie). There are a wide variety of people there & I'm sure you fair better than the losers on that strip. Get you some.
 
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