What American engineered coup in Zimbabwe????
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I thought it was Emerson Mnangagwa behind it?General Chiwenga, the man behind the "coup" in a deferential posture to Robert Mugabe
who is still president of Zimbabwe earlier today
Robert Mugabe earlier today side by side with the man who has "overthrown him"
As I said, Chiwenga, Mnangagwa etc, are all Mugabe's boys. They love Robert
who has taken care of and made all of them rich in the 37 years in power. They
would not mind propping him up in power for another 50 years. The problem
is that he is 93, said to have throat cancer, and of deteriorating health, if
for no reason other than his age. The quarrel among them is about what will
happen when he dies. They refuse to accept the ascension of his wife to the
presidency, and Chiwenga sent the army in the streets for that reason alone.
The machinations of Mugabe to pave the way for his wife to power have
been on public display for atleast 5 years. He probably murdered the husband
of his ex-vice president, Joyce Mujuru in 2011. When she became to confident
in the second spot, and started openly aspiring to succeed Mugabe, he fired her
and replaced her with Mnangagwa.
When Mnangagwa, the crocodile, made his ambition for the presidency known,
Mrs Mugabe, who was being schemed into the presidency started attacking the
vice president at political rallies. Meanwhile, the vice-President, who has been
by Mugabe's side for more than 50 years, and a freedom fighter in the bush in
his early teens, and knows Mugabe's MO, saw the writing on the walls. It was
the worst kept secret that Mnangagwa started planning to have the military
remove Mugabe, something that Grace Mugabe openly declared in the public.
Finally, she called for Mnangagwa to be fired, and Mugabe acceded to the
demand. By that time, the plans for the coup were too far gone, and as he
ran into South African exile last week, Mnangagwa issued a statement in
which he promised to return very soon to lead Zimbabwe...
But I have also mentioned that nothing of this sort can happen in Southern
Africa without the assent of South Africa, and that is why Jacob Zuma has
dispatched his defence minister to baby sit the negotiations between Mugabe
and the army.
The army wants Mugabe to go right now. Mugabe want to finish his term
and then retire gracefully. That is the full extent of these negotiations
who has taken care of and made all of them rich in the 37 years in power. They
would not mind propping him up in power for another 50 years. The problem
is that he is 93, said to have throat cancer, and of deteriorating health, if
for no reason other than his age. The quarrel among them is about what will
happen when he dies. They refuse to accept the ascension of his wife to the
presidency, and Chiwenga sent the army in the streets for that reason alone.
The machinations of Mugabe to pave the way for his wife to power have
been on public display for atleast 5 years. He probably murdered the husband
of his ex-vice president, Joyce Mujuru in 2011. When she became to confident
in the second spot, and started openly aspiring to succeed Mugabe, he fired her
and replaced her with Mnangagwa.
When Mnangagwa, the crocodile, made his ambition for the presidency known,
Mrs Mugabe, who was being schemed into the presidency started attacking the
vice president at political rallies. Meanwhile, the vice-President, who has been
by Mugabe's side for more than 50 years, and a freedom fighter in the bush in
his early teens, and knows Mugabe's MO, saw the writing on the walls. It was
the worst kept secret that Mnangagwa started planning to have the military
remove Mugabe, something that Grace Mugabe openly declared in the public.
Finally, she called for Mnangagwa to be fired, and Mugabe acceded to the
demand. By that time, the plans for the coup were too far gone, and as he
ran into South African exile last week, Mnangagwa issued a statement in
which he promised to return very soon to lead Zimbabwe...
But I have also mentioned that nothing of this sort can happen in Southern
Africa without the assent of South Africa, and that is why Jacob Zuma has
dispatched his defence minister to baby sit the negotiations between Mugabe
and the army.
The army wants Mugabe to go right now. Mugabe want to finish his term
and then retire gracefully. That is the full extent of these negotiations
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He is, and ideally they want Mnangagwa to take over right now, and lead a transitional
government for 5 years, and then there would be elections at that point. But Mugabe is
refusing to resign. He wants to serve out his term, and whether that means until the
Zanu-PF conference next month, or until the general elections next year, has not been
stated. The thing about Mugabe is that he's ruthless and cold hearted. If he retains power,
Chiwenga and Mnangagwa had better watch out. Far too many people have died deaths
that are unexplainable, who have crossed Bob.... There is a businessman called Pamire,
who was suspected of fucking Grace Mugabe, who died suspiciously a couple of years ago.
There is a very beautiful girl from Zim, that I was after a couple of years ago, whose
father was a member of parliament from Mugabe's Zanu-PF, who died a death that
the girl regularly told me was suspected to be of Mugabe's doing. There is the case of
Josiah Magamo Tongogara, who died just before Mugabe and Zanu-PF were about to
return to Zimbabwe to contest the 1980 elections. Tongogara had been the commander
of the Zanla guerrillas who were the armed wing of Zanu-PF. He was well-loved, widely
respected and expected to contest the leadership of the party, but he met a strange and
suspicious death in a car, one dark night in Mozambique...There was the death of the
husband of Joyce Mujuru, a senior general in the army, who claimed to have been the
power that conferred the leadership of Zanu-PF upon Mugabe, when the party had been in
Zambian exile. That circumstance itself was such a bloody spectacle that Kenneth Kaunda,
who was president of Zambia pretty much chased Zanu out of Zambia and into Mozambique,
opening a wound which has not fully healed to this day, at least as far as many Zanu
members are concerned....
Years later, a cac wrote a book saying the cac secret service of Ian Smith, the Rhodesian
prime minister, concocted and sowed the divisions with Zanu, in order to weaken it..He
stated that cacs are the ones who set up that car bomb that killed Zanu leader Herbert
Chitepo, in the Chilenje township of Lusaka Zambia, in 1973. At the time, everyone,
Kaunda included, concluded that members of Zanu were behind the assassination.
But that is another story
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There is always in-fighting in large and democratic organisations. Remember that two friends are any
two people who have a greater common enemy than any animosity they may feel to each other. So during
the liberation struggle, they had the cacs cause them to bury their personal and ethnic differences. In fact
the cacs were such great enemies of the Africans that Shona and Ndebele, who had held animus toward
each went to Lancaster House for independence negotiations, as one group, the Patriotic Front. Shortly
after independence, Mugabe drove Joshua Nkomo, who was leader of the Ndebele led ZAPU out of the
government and the country, after accusing him of treason. A few years later, he sent the 5th Brigade into
Matebele Land (Matebele= Ndebele=Zimbabwean Zulu) on a campaign called Gukurahundi, which
thousands were said to have been killed. The master mind of the operation was said to be none other
than Emmerson Mnangagwa.......
Thanks for breaking it down so well.
Good info.
Let's hope not
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As a Zimbabwean, I have intentionally stayed out of the few zimbabwe threads because I realise 99% of people commenting have no context whatsoever behind their posts. And this applies ESPECIALLY to Nzinga. Whatever ego boost he gets from positioning himself as the resident African expert, you must know he's a charlatan. I don't pay attention to him and neither should you.
Anyway, with regards to Zimbabwe I hesitate to portray this a simple narrative that can be reduced to talking points.
Today the masses came out to express support for our military for finally saying enough is enough to Mugabe. All walks of life spoke in unison - zanu pf supporters, opposition supporters, black Zimbabweans and white Zimbabweans. It is high time the old man was booted out.
Note that the populace has not missed the irony of these events. The irony of Zanu itself turning against its patron saint, the irony of citizens cheering on the same military that helped steal the last 5 elections and prop up a dictator. Like I said, it's complex.
Anyway, with regards to Zimbabwe I hesitate to portray this a simple narrative that can be reduced to talking points.
Today the masses came out to express support for our military for finally saying enough is enough to Mugabe. All walks of life spoke in unison - zanu pf supporters, opposition supporters, black Zimbabweans and white Zimbabweans. It is high time the old man was booted out.
Note that the populace has not missed the irony of these events. The irony of Zanu itself turning against its patron saint, the irony of citizens cheering on the same military that helped steal the last 5 elections and prop up a dictator. Like I said, it's complex.
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