Vote Obama, If Not You're Labeled a Sellout?

[Heist]

DISCLAIMER: I am currently undecided on my vote for Presidential candidate, however it will be a Democrat. I neither support nor oppose Obama, Clinton, or Edwards at this point as they all have legitimate strengths and weaknesses which I haven't flushed out and determined who to be the correct candidate going into 2012 - which will be a complete rebuild of the American system after the last 8 years of debacle and misteps and one of the most challenging adminstrations on any number of fronts.


Aight, BGOL I'm beginning to notice a bit of a sheep minded and disturbing trend going on. If you're black and you endorse a candidate outside of Obama, you're labeled a sellout. It's even worse if you're a celebrity (Magic, Bob Johnson, Russ Simmons, etc. etc.).

Can we as black people really be so shallow as to coerced into making the next Presidential decision and probably the most important one since Carter was in office given the current and impending state of and internal dissary of our political system by the Republicans, shitty U.S. Foreign policy/relations, a trillion dollar war no one wants, the economy on a slow and uncorrectable downward spiral for the next 2 years (unless we have a major economic boom or innovation), dollar devaluation, budget deficit, and our impending loss of #1 Superpower status based solely on the fact that he's the black candidate and likeable?

Because when I hear people screaming sell-out, that seems to be the only judgement criteria ... you're not voting for the black guy, so you're a sellout.
That's even more fucked up and ignorant if that's the case.

Vote for whomever you like this year, just remember to vote because people you know and don't know, fought, sacrificed, and died for your right to do so.

You honor their memory by voting but more importantly voting for the right candidate - not just the candidate with the closest colored skin to yours or the one who happens to have the same gender (this applies equally to you women and caucasians on the board) simply for that sake of...as it applies to black people, to do that is a discredit to yourself and their memory.

Stepping down of my soapbox.

 

[Ultramagnetic]

Well lets look at some of the people you mentions one at a time. Magic : Turns out he's trying to get into a 750M dollar venture capital deal with one of Hillary's Campaign staffers. Bob Johnson: Political wannabe, has been part of so of G.Bush's advisory boards as well as a heavy donor to republican candidates. Only out for policital access to further his money. Period. Blood Diamond Russ, same deal as Bob Johnson. These people only care who's president to insure thier own wealth. They back Hillary because she's in the pocket of Big Business up to her eyeballs and everybody knows it. The politicians that are backing her are only doing it because they owe Bill Clinton big favors. And now because the polls are showing Obama gaining more support among blacks, they now are about to have that moment Chris Rock talked about. If Obama wins, how are the blacks that were against him going to look standing on the wrong side of History? Talk about looking like a traitor to you race. Imagine when they have to go up for re election and have that Albatross hanging around their necks.

 

[Black A. Camus]

DISCLAIMER: I am currently undecided on my vote for Presidential candidate, however it will be a Democrat. I neither support nor oppose Obama, Clinton, or Edwards at this point as they all have legitimate strengths and weaknesses which I haven't flushed out and determined who to be the correct candidate going into 2012 - which will be a complete rebuild of the American system after the last 8 years of debacle and misteps and one of the most challenging adminstrations on any number of fronts.


Aight, BGOL I'm beginning to notice a bit of a sheep minded and disturbing trend going on. If you're black and you endorse a candidate outside of Obama, you're labeled a sellout. It's even worse if you're a celebrity (Magic, Bob Johnson, Russ Simmons, etc. etc.).

Can we as black people really be so shallow as to coerced into making the next Presidential decision and probably the most important one since Carter was in office given the current and impending state of and internal dissary of our political system by the Republicans, shitty U.S. Foreign policy/relations, a trillion dollar war no one wants, the economy on a slow and uncorrectable downward spiral for the next 2 years (unless we have a major economic boom or innovation), dollar devaluation, budget deficit, and our impending loss of #1 Superpower status based solely on the fact that he's the black candidate and likeable?

Because when I hear people screaming sell-out, that seems to be the only judgement criteria ... you're not voting for the black guy, so you're a sellout.
That's even more fucked up and ignorant if that's the case.

Vote for whomever you like this year, just remember to vote because people you know and don't know, fought, sacrificed, and died for your right to do so.

You honor their memory by voting but more importantly voting for the right candidate - not just the candidate with the closest colored skin to yours or the one who happens to have the same gender (this applies equally to you women and caucasians on the board) simply for that sake of...as it applies to black people, to do that is a discredit to yourself and their memory.

Stepping down of my soapbox.

I gotta agree. I waver back and forth between Clinton and Obama. At first, I thought that I shouldn't waste my primary vote on Obama because America was too racist to elect a non-white male for President. Hillary is a non-white male too, but at least she's white.

Then, after Obama won the Iowa caucaus, and finished second in New Hampshire, I got to thinking that maybe a vote for him is not a vote wasted. Moreover, why is it that for most of my life, some 20 years, the President has been either a Bush or a Clinton? Maybe Obama, a fresh face, with new ideas, is what this country needs right now.

But then when I log onto to BGOL, especially after all the Obama threads, it seems like because I'm Black it's my duty to vote for Obama. People are supposed to vote for a President who best represents their ideas, and, perhaps unfortunately, their self-interest. It shouldn't be otherwise just becaues we are Black and a candidate is a Black Man.

 

[FiveKnuckleShuffle]

You don't need BGOL or anybody else to co-sign on your life. Vote how you see fit.

 

[bizzyboddy]

I don't even take it seriously because only on BGOL have people been talkin that sellout Bullshit. Now having said that its a serious problem IMO that so many of us are supporting Hillary, shes not Bill clinton and her Agenda is completely different, so basically its important for blacks to be more Independent in there thinking when it comes to the candidates.

 

[Blu Diablo]

Who you vote for is your personal choice so fuck anybody else's opinion.

Be mindful of your issues (not the issues they want you to feel are important) and vote for the candidate that you feel is best equipped to deal with those issues.

Never feel pressure to vote any particular way because of peer pressure bruh, never!

 

[lazarus]

(sigh) Let's take a history lesson. I thought this was common sense. The black race was enslaved for centuries in America, so that slavery mentality is still in some of us, always trying to please master, not believing in ourselves, because we think we can't go nowhere unless the white race is leading. Now that we have someone that can instill hope, dreams, in our children, that one day, they could become president, that is HUGE to advancing the mental level. Look at the streets. We sell drugs, play bball, entertainment, because we believe we can do no better, thats the cards they dealt us, and we think thats the only we can be successful. Trust me, for every doctor, lawyer out there, that shows a child thats growing up to look at them, and say, I can be just like him. Its called a role model.
Now you're not a sellout if you have some dramatic political reason that Obama shouldnt be president, but its not like Hillary is a super great candidate. She's actually weaker. The Rep party knows this. Look at the Michigan results. In below temperatures, streets of ice, people went out to vote against Hillary, 40% uncommited. That's a statement. Now if Hillary wins the Dem party against a Rep, where do you think those uncommited go, who knew their vote didnt count, in freezing conditions, went just to vote against Hillary? The Rep party will do anything to keep Hillary out of office, and those uncommited will go Rep. Simple=if HIllary wins the Dem, we will have a Rep in office. If you can validate your vote, then you're not a sellout. But all I see is, Fuck Obama, he has no chance, Obama is no black leader, talk about his past, etc. Slave mentality. Say something logic, that is more profound than uplifting the entire black race, because voting for Hillary is so important.

 

[montrealplaya]

Fuck you Heist...you are already a sellout..For trying to embaress this negro hero

 

[Heist]

Well lets look at some of the people you mentions one at a time. Magic : Turns out he's trying to get into a 750M dollar venture capital deal with one of Hillary's Campaign staffers. Bob Johnson: Political wannabe, has been part of so of G.Bush's advisory boards as well as a heavy donor to republican candidates. Only out for policital access to further his money. Period. Blood Diamond Russ, same deal as Bob Johnson. These people only care who's president to insure thier own wealth. They back Hillary because she's in the pocket of Big Business up to her eyeballs and everybody knows it. The politicians that are backing her are only doing it because they owe Bill Clinton big favors. And now because the polls are showing Obama gaining more support among blacks, they now are about to have that moment Chris Rock talked about. If Obama wins, how are the blacks that were against him going to look standing on the wrong side of History? Talk about looking like a traitor to you race. Imagine when they have to go up for re election and have that Albatross hanging around their necks.

My man ... don't be young and naive. That's the political game.
Everyone public supports a candidate to win political favor and a little quid pro quo after the fact. Whether that returned favor is immediate, or down the road ... it's a foregone assumption that you have a favor in the bank if your "man" got in office.

Don't hate the player, hate the game. It is what it is.

Obama is going to have to return some favors as well if he gets in office ... don't for a second fool yourself and think he's above all that. He's not. No one is.

 

[Heist]

Fuck you Heist...you are already a sellout..For trying to embaress this negro hero

Fuck you, it's my world.
I'll trainwreck my own post if I want to.

 

[Cock Head Jones]

My man ... don't be young and naive. That's the political game.
Everyone public supports a candidate to win political favor and a little quid pro quo after the fact. Whether that returned favor is immediate, or down the road ... it's a foregone assumption that you have a favor in the bank if your "man" got in office.

Don't hate the player, hate the game. It is what it is.

Obama is going to have to return some favors as well if he gets in office ... don't for a second fool yourself and think he's above all that. He's not. No one is.

That's pretty much what i said in the Magic Johnson thread. Still - I have no problem with the Obama support on the board. Whether you're voting for the man or not, its just good to see brothas and sistas standing together in support.

 

[lazarus]

My man ... don't be young and naive. That's the political game.
Everyone public supports a candidate to win political favor and a little quid pro quo after the fact. Whether that returned favor is immediate, or down the road ... it's a foregone assumption that you have a favor in the bank if your "man" got in office.

Don't hate the player, hate the game. It is what it is.

Obama is going to have to return some favors as well if he gets in office ... don't for a second fool yourself and think he's above all that. He's not. No one is.

Heist, you're proving your own point, son. More money versus uplifting their entire race, hence a sellout. How is this hard to understand?

 

[lazarus]

Let's look at Bob Johnson, and let's look at Oprah. One had a tv network, capitalized on stereotypes to make more money, when he could of made it a positive network, thought he would lose more money, so instead sold it when he had the chance to make a network that could have been black owned, positive. Now Oprah, who is richer, builds schools in Africa, encourages uplifting themes, and now has her own network. No booty shaking there. AND SHE"S MAKING A PROFIT. there goes Bob's ideal that only stereotypes sell. Now here's our chance in history, and guess where Bob goes, and Oprah goes to. Bob is going against us, when this is the one chance to do something spectacular. Slave mentality, truly brainwashed. This is the reason white people will always be in power because our brains are in handcuffs.

 

[montrealplaya]

Fuck you Hater!

 

[tre2k4]

I gues yall wanna keep it Bush - Clinton - Bush - Clinton
whos mnext, Laura Bush

 

[Costanza]

I could have easily voted for John Edwards and in a way I'm sad to see the way his campaign has basically died as I don't think a couple of states should decide the nomination. We vote here in Nevada Saturday and I don't think Edwards has a chance, whereas either Obama or Clinton can win. Same for South Carolina, so, with that being the fourth contest, he has no shot at all. Hillary Clinton is my least favorite candidate because, to quote Edwards, you can't replace corporate Republicans with corporate Democrats and expect change. Obama's push for transparancy in politics and public funding of campaigns appeals to me as well as his general stand on PACs and lobbyists.

I'm voting Obama on Saturday because he appears to me to be the best viable candidate. I do believe his race and background will, if elected, be a major blow to the defeatist attitude many younger blacks have-- just as it will not prove the country is not racist as many conservatives are saying, it will prove what many thought impossible possible and serve as uplifting to the minds of many young blacks (and Mexicans and others). He is best equipped to transform America's international image and his recent talk about Reagan makes a lot of sense, as he (unlike Hillary who half the country hates) seems to have a chance to reach across the aisle and get work done (unlike Bill Clinton, whose entire administration was a quagmire).

I say all this to say that I could have easily not supported Obama and reaching another conclusion certainly wouldn't make you a sellout.

Sellout is not a word I like to use. But I would apply it to Robert Johnson. BET has been an enormous advocate of drug use, yet he shits on Obama for his admitted drug use decades ago. He was clearly a token, used as a black attack dog on behalf of the Clintons. I think Obama has run an honorable campaign and for this man to take a dirty personal shot at him and while doing so claim offense at blacks supposedly being treated as dumb but then turn around and say he didn't mean what everyone knows he meant like we're idiots... If he's not a sellout, he's a scumbag. I'd say he's both. If he's not I don't know who is-- the people who killed Malcolm? This is a major, major event in American history of the utmost significance to black Americans and the man who became the first black billionaire by promoting drugs and decadance painted the first serious black candidate for president as a drug-using loser on behalf of a man who is a known liar with regard to drug use and a woman who may very well be, too, for all we know. He's a sellout.

You're not if you sincerely support someone other than Obama. I don't know why you'd support Hillary and Edwards has no chance so it would seem like the right vote to me, but you always have the right to think as an individual and anyone who says otherwise is selling themselves short and out.

 

[Heist]

Heist, you're proving your own point, son. More money versus uplifting their entire race, hence a sellout. How is this hard to understand?

That was in response to another response about Magic and company possibly looking for political favor after the fact. That's a given no matter which candidate you support. Later on you're going to be looking for political favor.

My point was voting for someone other than the black guy and be blasted as a SELLOUT for it.

To redirect, if you do publicly support Obama and you're doing it only to gain political favor later on down the line, does that make you not a SELLOUT?

If you do vote for Obama because he's black, but not because he's the best candidate it makes you not a SELLOUT does that make you SMART?

Bear in mind, I'm just playing DEVIL'S ADVOCATE. I'm sure I'm strirring some shit up, but I'm just looking for a little feedback and intellectual debate on the matter.

 

[lazarus]

To redirect, if you do publicly support Obama and you're doing it only to gain political favor later on down the line, does that make you not a SELLOUT? Yes, you're supporting a "business" between blacks, and helping each other, instead of trying to get rich with the white race. If you can do both, why not help a cause at the same time?

If you do vote for Obama because he's black, but not because he's the best candidate it makes you not a SELLOUT does that make you SMART? Once again, prove why Hillary is a better candidate to the point where uplifting the entire black race is put on the burner. If you can give some drastic reason why Hillary will do so much, that this is deemed less important.

 

[tre2k4]

Like I said, there is another black candidate running
[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/sbi9WVGxqUk[/FLASH]


then we had Jesse and Alan to run and they didn't have as a good success as Obama is having now

 

[Profit]

For those who refuse to vote for Obama just because he's black... is there really that much difference in ALL 3 of DEMOCRATIC candidate's position to not give him the NOD? They all have only little variation on their political stances are far as I can see. Any of the 3 will be a vast improvement over current. So why would I not vote for the one who "should" be best able to identify with my community?

 

[Blaze Da Hard Luck Kid]

(sigh) Let's take a history lesson. I thought this was common sense. The black race was enslaved for centuries in America, so that slavery mentality is still in some of us, always trying to please master, not believing in ourselves, because we think we can't go nowhere unless the white race is leading. Now that we have someone that can instill hope, dreams, in our children, that one day, they could become president, that is HUGE to advancing the mental level. Look at the streets. We sell drugs, play bball, entertainment, because we believe we can do no better, thats the cards they dealt us, and we think thats the only we can be successful. Trust me, for every doctor, lawyer out there, that shows a child thats growing up to look at them, and say, I can be just like him. Its called a role model.
Now you're not a sellout if you have some dramatic political reason that Obama shouldnt be president, but its not like Hillary is a super great candidate. She's actually weaker. The Rep party knows this. Look at the Michigan results. In below temperatures, streets of ice, people went out to vote against Hillary, 40% uncommited. That's a statement. Now if Hillary wins the Dem party against a Rep, where do you think those uncommited go, who knew their vote didnt count, in freezing conditions, went just to vote against Hillary? The Rep party will do anything to keep Hillary out of office, and those uncommited will go Rep. Simple=if HIllary wins the Dem, we will have a Rep in office. If you can validate your vote, then you're not a sellout. But all I see is, Fuck Obama, he has no chance, Obama is no black leader, talk about his past, etc. Slave mentality. Say something logic, that is more profound than uplifting the entire black race, because voting for Hillary is so important.

Co-sign

Ya'll house nergoes act like jesse or al sharpton or oj simpson is running for President. Nobody should vote for somebody just based on race or gender. That's stupid. But what is also stupid is for black people not to get behind a black candidate that's qualified for the position and has a real chance of winning. Jesse or Al Sharpton was never and never will be serious candidates because they represent black interests (black america) while this nation needs a leader that can bridge the gap between black american and white america. Obama stands for unity and now it is more evident then ever that alot of black people have yet to learn what that means. I don't care if you're black, white, man, woman, democrat, republican, autobot or decepticon, unity is what this nation needs to move forward.

 

[Blaze Da Hard Luck Kid]

(sigh) Let's take a history lesson. I thought this was common sense. The black race was enslaved for centuries in America, so that slavery mentality is still in some of us, always trying to please master, not believing in ourselves, because we think we can't go nowhere unless the white race is leading. Now that we have someone that can instill hope, dreams, in our children, that one day, they could become president, that is HUGE to advancing the mental level. Look at the streets. We sell drugs, play bball, entertainment, because we believe we can do no better, thats the cards they dealt us, and we think thats the only we can be successful. Trust me, for every doctor, lawyer out there, that shows a child thats growing up to look at them, and say, I can be just like him. Its called a role model.
Now you're not a sellout if you have some dramatic political reason that Obama shouldnt be president, but its not like Hillary is a super great candidate. She's actually weaker. The Rep party knows this. Look at the Michigan results. In below temperatures, streets of ice, people went out to vote against Hillary, 40% uncommited. That's a statement. Now if Hillary wins the Dem party against a Rep, where do you think those uncommited go, who knew their vote didnt count, in freezing conditions, went just to vote against Hillary? The Rep party will do anything to keep Hillary out of office, and those uncommited will go Rep. Simple=if HIllary wins the Dem, we will have a Rep in office. If you can validate your vote, then you're not a sellout. But all I see is, Fuck Obama, he has no chance, Obama is no black leader, talk about his past, etc. Slave mentality. Say something logic, that is more profound than uplifting the entire black race, because voting for Hillary is so important.

Co-sign

Ya'll house nergoes act like jesse or al sharpton or oj simpson is running for President. Nobody should vote for somebody just based on race or gender. That's stupid. But what is also stupid is for black people not to get behind a black candidate that's qualified for the position and has a real chance of winning. Jesse or Al Sharpton was never and never will be serious candidates because they represent black interests (black america) while this nation needs a leader that can bridge the gap between black american and white america. Obama stands for unity and now it is more evident then ever that alot of black people have yet to learn what that means. I don't care if you're black, white, man, woman, democrat, republican, blood or crip, autobot or decepticon, unity is what this nation needs to move forward.

 

[LordSinister]

It's funny how all the white boys I know are more scarred of Obama than Billary or Edwards.

They always want to tell me how he isn't "really black" and doesn't have my interests at heart.

Ahhhhh the devil, he's a clever trickster.

Satan will make you hate your father for the rape of your mother.

 

[ethnocentric]

You don't need BGOL or anybody else to co-sign on your life. Vote how you see fit.

co signed

 

[freakd]

DISCLAIMER: I am currently undecided on my vote for Presidential candidate, however it will be a Democrat. I neither support nor oppose Obama, Clinton, or Edwards at this point as they all have legitimate strengths and weaknesses which I haven't flushed out and determined who to be the correct candidate going into 2012 - which will be a complete rebuild of the American system after the last 8 years of debacle and misteps and one of the most challenging adminstrations on any number of fronts.


Aight, BGOL I'm beginning to notice a bit of a sheep minded and disturbing trend going on. If you're black and you endorse a candidate outside of Obama, you're labeled a sellout. It's even worse if you're a celebrity (Magic, Bob Johnson, Russ Simmons, etc. etc.).

Can we as black people really be so shallow as to coerced into making the next Presidential decision and probably the most important one since Carter was in office given the current and impending state of and internal dissary of our political system by the Republicans, shitty U.S. Foreign policy/relations, a trillion dollar war no one wants, the economy on a slow and uncorrectable downward spiral for the next 2 years (unless we have a major economic boom or innovation), dollar devaluation, budget deficit, and our impending loss of #1 Superpower status based solely on the fact that he's the black candidate and likeable?

Because when I hear people screaming sell-out, that seems to be the only judgement criteria ... you're not voting for the black guy, so you're a sellout.
That's even more fucked up and ignorant if that's the case.

Vote for whomever you like this year, just remember to vote because people you know and don't know, fought, sacrificed, and died for your right to do so.

You honor their memory by voting but more importantly voting for the right candidate - not just the candidate with the closest colored skin to yours or the one who happens to have the same gender (this applies equally to you women and caucasians on the board) simply for that sake of...as it applies to black people, to do that is a discredit to yourself and their memory.

Stepping down of my soapbox.

this would be good if the world was equal, loving and just, but the world is not. imperialism, colonialism are not by chance, it is well thought out and caluatualated. you really don't think R.W.M (rich white men), that run the worlds banks, don't make moves based on race, religion and class? this is white liberal talk, which they (white liberals) can't seem to follow. the african coming out of slavery and jim crow, always seem to believe in the beliefs of the oppressor more than the oppressor. to hell with the presidency, the power isn't really in that position for me anyway, but wake up, this world isn't just--at the end of the day it is just-us.

 

[Heist]

To redirect, if you do publicly support Obama and you're doing it only to gain political favor later on down the line, does that make you not a SELLOUT? Yes, you're supporting a "business" between blacks, and helping each other, instead of trying to get rich with the white race. If you can do both, why not help a cause at the same time?

If you do vote for Obama because he's black, but not because he's the best candidate it makes you not a SELLOUT does that make you SMART? Once again, prove why Hillary is a better candidate to the point where uplifting the entire black race is put on the burner. If you can give some drastic reason why Hillary will do so much, that this is deemed less important.

Brother, you're letting your personal bias and emtions effect your answer. You're making this a Hillary vs. Obama thing ... I'm not.

I'm saying or rather questioning, why does NOT supporting Obama if you are black make you a SELLOUT. That is the only question.

To put it another way, if you are a BLACK WOMAN and do not support Hillary, does that make you a SELLOUT as well? I mean, you're a woman first and foremost.

 

[Heist]

this would be good if the world was equal, loving and just, but the world is not. imperialism, colonialism are not by chance, it is well thought out and caluatualated. you really don't think R.W.M (rich white men), that run the worlds banks, don't make moves based on race, religion and class? this is white liberal talk, which they (white liberals) can't seem to follow. the african coming out of slavery and jim crow, always seem to believe in the beliefs of the oppressor more than the oppressor. to hell with the presidency, the power isn't really in that position for me anyway, but wake up, this world isn't just--at the end of the day it is just-us.

Oh, brother I'm under no illusion here. The power had NEVER been with the presidency. It has always been with the banks and financiers. Don't believe me ... look at the housing crisis. It would go away in a month if the banks would start lending money again and let people refinance out of these high interest rates loans (like so many loan officers said you'd be able to do when your rates went up).

For even more proof, look at what Rothschilds family said centuries ago:

"I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire. The man who controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire and I control the British money supply."

"Let me issue and control a Nation's money and I care not who makes its laws".

"Who controls the issuance of money controls the government!"

 

[infantryguy]

You don't need BGOL or anybody else to co-sign on your life. Vote how you see fit.

mutha fuckin word!!!

 

[chillwillwonka]

I Dont Think Hillary Or Obama Really Have A Chance In The General Because The Republicans Will Swift Boat Either One Of Them The Republicans Have The Most Loyal Voter Out Of Either Party Democrats Jus T Votes Only Because They Either Want To Get The Other Person Out Of Office Or Make History I Don't Think The Democrats Voters Are As Loyal As The Republicans

Dude, the Repubs don't even like their own candidates.

 

[Space]

If you believe in the man vote for him, it's as simple as that. Stop hating. Everybody has a choice. Let it be.

 

[DaleMabry]

DISCLAIMER:
Aight, BGOL I'm beginning to notice a bit of a sheep minded and disturbing trend going on. If you're black and you endorse a candidate outside of Obama, you're labeled a sellout. It's even worse if you're a celebrity (Magic, Bob Johnson, Russ Simmons, etc. etc.).

I think you are projecting your own issues here. The criticisms of these figures was a legitimate concern with how they are being used to undermine Obama's support among black folks.

My man ... don't be young and naive. That's the political game.
Everyone public supports a candidate to win political favor and a little quid pro quo after the fact. Whether that returned favor is immediate, or down the road ... it's a foregone assumption that you have a favor in the bank if your "man" got in office.

Don't hate the player, hate the game. It is what it is.

Obama is going to have to return some favors as well if he gets in office ... don't for a second fool yourself and think he's above all that. He's not. No one is.

There's nothing young and naive about it. Look no one is calling for black voters to take to the streets and tear down the foundations of the republic. Its a simple thing, the casting of the vote. But you seem to be suggesting that it's naive to support the candidate who has shown the most commitment to changing the climate and old guard of Washington because "that's the way the game is played" and "the financiers are the ones calling shots anyway."

I say we go at this power structure you correctly identify by any means available, if not necessary. You seem to be throwing in the towel without even trying. I'm one for giving people the rope required to hang themselves. So let's do it the right way (voting the man in) and if the Powers That Be hamstring him like they did Jimmy Carter, or murk him like Kennedy we can cross that bridge when we come to it.

Can we as black people really be so shallow as to coerced into making the next Presidential decision and probably the most important one since Carter was in office given the current and impending state of and internal dissary of our political system by the Republicans, shitty U.S. Foreign policy/relations, a trillion dollar war no one wants, the economy on a slow and uncorrectable downward spiral for the next 2 years (unless we have a major economic boom or innovation), dollar devaluation, budget deficit, and our impending loss of #1 Superpower status based solely on the fact that he's the black candidate and likeable?

Can we? You are the one suggesting that. There are plenty of reasons to like and support Obama aside from race. You seem to think black folks are not sophisticated enough to grasp these reasons and I find that sad. As others have said, many prior black candidates did not generate this kind of excitement, and you seem to be staking out a deliberate pessimism so you can be ahead of the curve should Obama disappoint. I think you might kick yourself for this years down the line, dont fall into that trap my dude.

I could have easily voted for John Edwards and in a way I'm sad to see the way his campaign has basically died as I don't think a couple of states should decide the nomination. We vote here in Nevada Saturday and I don't think Edwards has a chance, whereas either Obama or Clinton can win. Same for South Carolina, so, with that being the fourth contest, he has no shot at all. Hillary Clinton is my least favorite candidate because, to quote Edwards, you can't replace corporate Republicans with corporate Democrats and expect change. Obama's push for transparancy in politics and public funding of campaigns appeals to me as well as his general stand on PACs and lobbyists.

I'm voting Obama on Saturday because he appears to me to be the best viable candidate. I do believe his race and background will, if elected, be a major blow to the defeatist attitude many younger blacks have-- just as it will not prove the country is not racist as many conservatives are saying, it will prove what many thought impossible possible and serve as uplifting to the minds of many young blacks (and Mexicans and others). He is best equipped to transform America's international image and his recent talk about Reagan makes a lot of sense, as he (unlike Hillary who half the country hates) seems to have a chance to reach across the aisle and get work done (unlike Bill Clinton, whose entire administration was a quagmire).

I say all this to say that I could have easily not supported Obama and reaching another conclusion certainly wouldn't make you a sellout.

Sellout is not a word I like to use. But I would apply it to Robert Johnson. BET has been an enormous advocate of drug use, yet he shits on Obama for his admitted drug use decades ago. He was clearly a token, used as a black attack dog on behalf of the Clintons. I think Obama has run an honorable campaign and for this man to take a dirty personal shot at him and while doing so claim offense at blacks supposedly being treated as dumb but then turn around and say he didn't mean what everyone knows he meant like we're idiots... If he's not a sellout, he's a scumbag. I'd say he's both. If he's not I don't know who is-- the people who killed Malcolm? This is a major, major event in American history of the utmost significance to black Americans and the man who became the first black billionaire by promoting drugs and decadance painted the first serious black candidate for president as a drug-using loser on behalf of a man who is a known liar with regard to drug use and a woman who may very well be, too, for all we know. He's a sellout.

You're not if you sincerely support someone other than Obama. I don't know why you'd support Hillary and Edwards has no chance so it would seem like the right vote to me, but you always have the right to think as an individual and anyone who says otherwise is selling themselves short and out.

Agreed 100

 

[XXXplosive]

No, those men are called sellouts because they are doing extra, unwarranted shit towards Obama
They are questioning his "blackness" and basically doing all the dirty shit that Hillary can't
If you don't like Obama, that's cool
Just don't come on here bashing the brotha for no good reason in order to support a white woman who happened to fuck an ex-president

 

[Cock Head Jones]

Like I said, there is another black candidate running
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then we had Jesse and Alan to run and they didn't have as a good success as Obama is having now

He looks like Chocolate Rains dad.

 

[DaleMabry]

No, those men are called sellouts because they are doing extra, unwarranted shit towards Obama
They are questioning his "blackness" and basically doing all the dirty shit that Hillary can't
If you don't like Obama, that's cool
Just don't come on here bashing the brotha for no good reason in order to support a white woman who happened to fuck an ex-president

Exactly. Now to Magic's defense he hasn't bashed Obama. If he wants to support Hill, fine thats his right as a man.

But them other house niggas are out of fuckin pocket and niggas aint gonna forget that shit. We need to sweep each and every one of them the fuck out of office. Their behavior has been absolutely unacceptable.

Jews rarely disagree publically, but they NEVER denigrate each other publically.

I expect better from our "leaders" and if they can't at least show that level of foresight and maturity, fuck em in the ass with a spiked bat.

Straight up.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

DISCLAIMER: I am currently undecided on my vote for Presidential candidate, however it will be a Democrat. I neither support nor oppose Obama, Clinton, or Edwards at this point as they all have legitimate strengths and weaknesses which I haven't flushed out and determined who to be the correct candidate going into 2012 - which will be a complete rebuild of the American system after the last 8 years of debacle and misteps and one of the most challenging adminstrations on any number of fronts.


Aight, BGOL I'm beginning to notice a bit of a sheep minded and disturbing trend going on. If you're black and you endorse a candidate outside of Obama, you're labeled a sellout. It's even worse if you're a celebrity (Magic, Bob Johnson, Russ Simmons, etc. etc.).

Can we as black people really be so shallow as to coerced into making the next Presidential decision and probably the most important one since Carter was in office given the current and impending state of and internal dissary of our political system by the Republicans, shitty U.S. Foreign policy/relations, a trillion dollar war no one wants, the economy on a slow and uncorrectable downward spiral for the next 2 years (unless we have a major economic boom or innovation), dollar devaluation, budget deficit, and our impending loss of #1 Superpower status based solely on the fact that he's the black candidate and likeable?

Because when I hear people screaming sell-out, that seems to be the only judgement criteria ... you're not voting for the black guy, so you're a sellout.
That's even more fucked up and ignorant if that's the case.

Vote for whomever you like this year, just remember to vote because people you know and don't know, fought, sacrificed, and died for your right to do so.

You honor their memory by voting but more importantly voting for the right candidate - not just the candidate with the closest colored skin to yours or the one who happens to have the same gender (this applies equally to you women and caucasians on the board) simply for that sake of...as it applies to black people, to do that is a discredit to yourself and their memory.

Stepping down of my soapbox.

Exactly. I call them internet lynchings.

To redirect, if you do publicly support Obama and you're doing it only to gain political favor later on down the line, does that make you not a SELLOUT? Yes, you're supporting a "business" between blacks, and helping each other, instead of trying to get rich with the white race. If you can do both, why not help a cause at the same time?

If you do vote for Obama because he's black, but not because he's the best candidate it makes you not a SELLOUT does that make you SMART? Once again, prove why Hillary is a better candidate to the point where uplifting the entire black race is put on the burner. If you can give some drastic reason why Hillary will do so much, that this is deemed less important.

But you say that as if Barack Obama will do something for the Black race though??? He's going to reemphasize over and over again that he's the president of "all of Amerikkka" not just Black people. Who did he compare himself too yesterday??? Ronald Reagan. Yep, that Ronald Reagan. That's the type of president he will be. Not a Republican asshole like Reagan was, but he's overtly saying that he will not alienate the Republicans, who are alienated by everything other than their own superiority. So, voting for him is not going to help Black people anymore than anybody else, especially when he's going to have to be harder on us, just to prove to everybody else that he's a "uniter". Y'all act like he's gonna give us reparation sthe day he gets in office or something. There's not that big of a difference, even he said that two days ago.

Co-sign

Ya'll house nergoes act like jesse or al sharpton or oj simpson is running for President. Nobody should vote for somebody just based on race or gender. That's stupid. But what is also stupid is for black people not to get behind a black candidate that's qualified for the position and has a real chance of winning. Jesse or Al Sharpton was never and never will be serious candidates because they represent black interests (black america) while this nation needs a leader that can bridge the gap between black american and white america. Obama stands for unity and now it is more evident then ever that alot of black people have yet to learn what that means. I don't care if you're black, white, man, woman, democrat, republican, autobot or decepticon, unity is what this nation needs to move forward.

Colin Powell would have an even better chance than Obama, would you get behind him???

Vote for who you think will step in, fight the right-wing, and reinvigorate the American economy, and help bridge the gap between rich and poor. I'm not 100% sure that that person is Obama. I'm sorry, the greater good of the whole race is much more important than niggaz being able to say "Hey, we gotta Black president" and nothing's really happening for the entire race. That's the difference between "real" Black power and "fake" Black power.

If you think Obama's economic, foreign, and domestic policies are the best, then good, vote for him, but the whole, "If there's a Black guy in sight, then you vote for him bullshit is played out". Haven't you lived in mostly Black cities? Have you seen what Detroit is like? What Gary's like? What Washington D.C. was like? What New Orleans is like? That's what you get when niggaz vote for Ray Nagin or Marion Berry after he got caught with the crack pipe, because they were "brother's with a chance to win". Vote for who will do the best job. It means nothing when your schools suck, your prisons are full, and nobody has any money.

It's funny how all the white boys I know are more scarred of Obama than Billary or Edwards.

They always want to tell me how he isn't "really black" and doesn't have my interests at heart.

Ahhhhh the devil, he's a clever trickster.

Satan will make you hate your father for the rape of your mother.

I don't know. Everybody I've heard of hates Hillary Clinton. Even in studies, they've shown that the coverage of her is so much worse than any candidates and for most of the people in public life. If you're arguing that people are scared of Obama, then you're not even watching the soft coverage he's gotten compared to Hillary. Edwards isn't even being covered at all really, but everybody's in love with Obama. Even guys like Tucker Carlson are in love with him mostly.