VOTE .. just do it

[12dahead]

Did you read my response to Temujin ???

QueEx

yes i did brother and it doesnt mean anything.
i dont get this whole "just vote" " let your vote be counted" movement all of a sudden to save my life. "vote or die" please!
none of them people running are worth a monkey fart anyway so whats up with getting me or the masses to decide on the two evils. i mean if someone wants to vote then fine. if they dont then fine
this whole movement is a big joke. when there is someone i feel thats worthy of voting for then i may vote but until then to hell with them all. and i was never one to complain about what happens when whoever is in position. i just take it in stride and do for self by any means neccessary.
like makk said the 40 year old pictures wont do it and tellin me that they all fought and died for my right to vote is the reason why i should. please! I'll continue to put my faith in GOD

"The Black man and women of America has been privileged by the slave masters children for the last century to vote for whites for the offices to judge and rule. This freedom to vote has made the Black man and women in America feel very dignified and proud of himself. He goes to the polls very happy to vote for a white ruler. Today, he is gradually changing to a desire to vote for his own kind for such offices of authority. We must remember that our vote is strong and powerful only when and where the white man can use it to get in the office over his white opponent. After the election and the victory there are very few favors that come from his office to the Black voters who helped and aided him in getting in the office. Why? Because he does not owe the Black voter anything as long as he has to feed, clothe, and shelter him in his country.

The Black vote could be cast or not cast. The white citizens of the government are going to win and continue to rule anyway. There is much talk of this man and that man (who shall the vote of the people put in the White House etc. for the next four years?) How much good have the two parties (Republican and Democrat) done for us for the last century in the way of freedom, justice, and equality? Regardless of what party wins, the die is always set against us (the Black people in America).

Injustice, crooked politics, and the breeding of corruption under crooked politics have been practiced ever since Adam to the present day rulers. Adam was the first crook. There has not been justice for the Black man in this race of people, and this is why the race suffers from the effect of chaos today. There are Black politicians and preachers who would like to use their Black people for selfish greed and will throw them behind any crook with money. Black politicians of this type have sold their Black brothers to suffering and shame for self elevation with the crook. This election is one of the most serious in the history of American government, because either party that seeks the office of presidency is faced with the problem of saving the lives of the people of America. If the present party (Democratic) remains in office, you know the answer. If the Republican party takes over, you should know the answer. There will be a lull before the storm. The storm can be delayed and every hour and day that it can be delayed is to your benefit. The Black man should be very serious and careful about his voting because 90 per cent of the Black votes cast are cast by ones who do not have the knowledge of what they are casting their vote for. I still say, as I have said for many years, vote for (God) to be your ruler."


Peace!

 

[VegasGuy]

wow , clear case of misinformed .......i'm not going to try to clear this up for you because you probably been brain washed by uncle Pete.........so dont vote, continue to complain about issues that you think you cant change.......and by the way,,,,,,,,,go find another , lets say, hundred thousand of you that feel the same way......
your vote does count......... dude

Misinformed huh? I voted for Clinton, twice. As I'm sure you did. What's changed for the better for Black people for the better dude? What permanent change was made as a result of that vote? Name one significant change during Clinton orchestrated by the Clinton administration that improved for Black people on a permanent basis? Give me ONE policy. I'll even accept a wide ranging change that was created by the Clinton administration.

I'll vote when there is a collective movement from us by us to move the ball forward. I don't see a reason to run to the polls to vote this term because like I said, NO ONE has talked about anything other that the war. The democrats will not end this war. They will just try to manage it differently but it will go on for the foreseeable future.

With that said, is that the only issue we as a people should focus a majority of our time on? Says who? White people? They never have dictated for us what we should focus on as they have in this cycle.

The way the body politic is supposed to function is when we have their ear, and the only time we can get it is during the election cycle, we are supposed to tell THEM what the fuck we need, not the other way around. This cycle, the only thing black people, at least on this message board can talk about is the war. It is important but that overshadows the effects of Katrina, health care costs, schools, housing costs and all kinds of shit not one democrat politician and said shit about. They haven't because the most important thing for this party is to get those jobs. So they sat in those smoke filled rooms, eating big food, most don't get to eat, drinking big drink, most don't get to drink and they plot how they can get those deep pocket Washington jobs without promising shit or giving up very little to their loyal voting base, black people. And you know the rest.

So don't talk to me about how uninformed I am.

You are about to squander yet again a chance to improve life for Black people but you still have yet to say why you are voting.

White people let you in THEIR club and you feel like you are somehow welcomed into the white world they created solely for their benefit and you say I'm misinformed? I am very informed about what we should be about. We allowed white people to run game on us and it will be 6 more years before we get another shot at it.

-VG

 

[GET YOU HOT]

One of these days, soon to come, all citizens of the greatest nation, will move from simmer to boiling, take to revolving in the final evolution of the freeworld, forget about television...

 

[QueEx]

... like I said, NO ONE has talked about anything other that the war. The democrats will not end this war. They will just try to manage it differently but it will go on for the foreseeable future.

With that said, is that the only issue we as a people should focus a majority of our time on?

-VG

VG,

I'm not in Nevada (if you are); I haven't heard a single radio or television ad featuring Nevada candidates. I happened to have googled to see what Nevada House candidates were saying about the war. I found the website below and clicked on each candidate to see what they were saying. They all seem to be talking about illegal immigration?

[frame]http://election.nationaljournal.com/2006/house/nv.htm[/frame]

 

[GET YOU HOT]

Las Vegas, Nevada, bounced back so quickly after 9/11; while the rest of the country stalled, despite some of the supposed hijackers, staying in a hotel(Holiday Inn), on the strip for 3 weeks, come to find out later. It would shock me, to see any large number, concerned about what is happening in the rest of the country; Las Vegas has its own microcosm...

 

[VegasGuy]

VG,

I'm not in Nevada (if you are); I haven't heard a single radio or television ad featuring Nevada candidates. I happened to have googled to see what Nevada House candidates were saying about the war. I found the website below and clicked on each candidate to see what they were saying. They all seem to be talking about illegal immigration?

I'm here and I have heard them ad-nauseum for months. Not only that, my phone rings off the hook from pollsters and campaign ads. NONE of the ads talk about improving anything local. All the democrat candidates that call are running against Bush. That is all they talk about. Not Yucca Mountain, Not Taxes, Not the Economy, Not gas prices, Nothing about social security, or eminent domain issues, not even health care.

They all want the vote if you are against or dissatisfied with the war. If that is all you care about then I would encourage you to vote. A lot of one issue voters out there so nothing new there. However if you are looking for some progress, we have not shared a national agenda to force the changes we needed for years.

Katrina should have been our lighting rod in this election cycle but those white people have convinced you that is too local and not our problem we want to listen to right now. But vote for us then we will see what we can do. In other words, wait.

-VG

 

[QueEx]

I'm certainly not going to debate Nevada politics as I don't know enough of whats going on there and, I don't vote there. Nevertheless, the War and the direction it is going IS and important matter. I guess if you either like the way it is going or don't have strong enough feelings to send a message of change, staying home is your option. Not mine. Besides a House seat, there are other state and local issues/candidates on my ballot and I fully intend to express my disatisfaction on some and my acquiesence, for now, on others. Its just one of the ways I try to make a difference.

With respect to Katrina, that matter has both local, state and national implications. The locas have spoken having relected the man as mayor upon whose watch the disaster occurred. Fortunately, for Louisiana Governor Blanco, the governorship is not up for election this year. As for the nationals, the presidency, as you know, isn't on the ballot, yet.

As for Katrina being our ligthning rod: what is it that you see the rest of us should be demanding at this point ??? I'd like to know; in a Katrina thread.



QueEx

 

[QueEx]

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THIS IS THE DAY

YOU SEND YOUR MESSAGE

WHATEVER YOUR MESSAGE IS

JUST DO IT

GO VOTE

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[Temujin]

ON THE THE PROTEST VOTE. There are at least 2 ways to cast a protest vite: (1) Vote for the so-called lesser of two evils; or (2) stay home.

(1) In the first case, your voice is heard; and you change things, even if only slightly, if the lesser is elected. If the lesser of evils is not elected, everybody knows that those who voted like you are still a force that must be reckoned with. You STOOD UP. You let them know where you stand. Unless your views are just waaay out in right-field some place, there are others who feel like you. Sooner or later right-field becomes the majority. You should know, it happens all the time in this country and it looks like its happening in November 2006: there is a fairly good chance that a shake-up is about to happen in Congress, TOMORROW! ... IF PEOPLE DON’T STAY HOME ...

(2) In the second case, because you stayed home, nobody even knows you give a shit. If you don’t give a shit, no one gives a real shit about you either and those that get elected have no fear of trampling on your rights and ignoring your concerns. Why? Because you may complain but you won’t do shit about it anyway.​

Wonder which protest vote protests the loudest ???

ON THE WILL OF THE CITIZEN
No Temujin. Its not the will of the citizen, its the will of the citizenS, collectively. Better still, its the will of the voters, collectively. I know I shouldn’t have to give this civics lesson to you, but I make this point so that you do not mislead others.

What is WILL? It is the hope, wish or desire of a person. In an election, how is that WILL expressed: by a person’s VOTE. When you stay home, the WILL can’t get counted.

What is WILL OF THE CITIZENS? The votes, taken together, of all those that came out to express their hope, wish or desire. When you stay home, somebody else’s hope, wish or desire gets counted, NOT YOURS. In other words, you leave it up to someone else to handle your business and we all know, we can’t count on others to handle our business for us. Or, can we ???

Peace,

QueEx

Lets assume in the first case my lessor of two evils is elected and I voted for him. I have expressed my personal support as a citizen for someone who doesn't in my view represent me. THis to me is a lie and is disrespectful to democracy. I will not vote for candidates that do not represent me. Just because one is closer then the other doesn't garner my support.

I feel any good citizen who believes in democracy should behave the same way. Why disrespect your vote, your personal expression of your opinions as a citizen by voting for someone who you do not agree with and who you do not feel will represent you. If hitler and saddam hussein are running for president I vote for saddam because he is better then hitler. I can't see that happening. I am sitting that one out.

My vote is mine. It is an individual right not a collective right. I as an individual have the right to vote for whom I choose or not vote if I feel I don't have an adequate choice. Voting just because is foolish it misrepresents the individual and in the aggregate misrepresents the country. People with no clue or idea of what their voting for, people that vote just because are sheep and deserve to be led astray by this sad political system.

Not voting is an affrimative message. It illustrates your lack of support for the choices you have been given as a citizen.

That being said. By all means people vote. Vote for someone or something you can honestly in your heart support. Don't vote for anyone who doesn't represent you. If everyone did this voting would represent the collective will of the people because the individual would take his choice seriously and not join the rest of the lemmings voting left or right not knowing and not caring who they are voting for. Voting just because.

 

[QueEx]

Lets assume in the first case my lessor of two evils is elected and I voted for him. I have expressed my personal support as a citizen for someone who doesn't in my view represent me. THis to me is a lie and is disrespectful to democracy. I will not vote for candidates that do not represent me. Just because one is closer then the other doesn't garner my support.

I feel any good citizen who believes in democracy should behave the same way. Why disrespect your vote, your personal expression of your opinions as a citizen by voting for someone who you do not agree with and who you do not feel will represent you. If hitler and saddam hussein are running for president I vote for saddam because he is better then hitler. I can't see that happening. I am sitting that one out.

My vote is mine. It is an individual right not a collective right. I as an individual have the right to vote for whom I choose or not vote if I feel I don't have an adequate choice. Voting just because is foolish it misrepresents the individual and in the aggregate misrepresents the country. People with no clue or idea of what their voting for, people that vote just because are sheep and deserve to be led astray by this sad political system.

Not voting is an affrimative message. It illustrates your lack of support for the choices you have been given as a citizen.

That being said. By all means people vote. Vote for someone or something you can honestly in your heart support. Don't vote for anyone who doesn't represent you. If everyone did this voting would represent the collective will of the people because the individual would take his choice seriously and not join the rest of the lemmings voting left or right not knowing and not caring who they are voting for. Voting just because.

I really love the "Perfect World" cop-out scenarious.

In your "Perfect World" view, you would only vote for a candidate that shares your view on ALL of the issues (anything less than sharing all of your views, you understand, makes that candidate a "Lesser" of an evil). There are at least 50 million voters in this country and if each espoused your view (which you urge everyone to share), there would have to be about 50 million candidates to satisfy each individual voter's "Perfect World" candidate. Because, as you point out, ONLY VOTE FOR THE ONE THAT REPRESENTS YOUR VIEWS. since, my brother, only ONE of those candidates would win -- the remaining 49,999,999 people would not have the representative that represents them.

In a perfect world, I can't see how the interest of one person would be any different from the interest of another person, hence, all people would think, dream and fuck alike. Silly isn't it? We all know the world isn't and will never be perfect; people are individuals; each individual has his own perfect view of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; and it would take some 50 million people holding down the office as president or any other office to please each individual voter.

Since the world isn't perfect, there is only one thing that allows imperfect people to coexist in their imperfect world: COMPROMISE. That means, more often than not, voting, fucking, loving, marrying, etc., the person who best fits your ideal. Best, however, doesn't mean IT ... just the closest compromise to IT. A "Lesser" of something else; something ideal.

Finallly, when you fail to do what is best, under the circumstances, all you're really doing, despite all the fancy-sounding bullshit rhetoric, is allowing those who do choose to do what they see as best .... make choices FOR YOU.



QueEx

 

[QueEx]

Temujin,

P.S.

I do realize that there may be races where both of the candidates are so repulsive that it would be difficult, if not impossible, to vote for either. One may not "Like" either of two candidates in a given race, however, its not everyday that both candidates rise to the level of being utterly repulsive. Even in the case where thwy are both just repulsive, there are other issues on the ballot that demand your attention. Hence, even when the candidates are to the point of being repulsive, voting on the other issues while avoiding the repulsive still sends the message.

QueExs

 

[Temujin]

I really love the "Perfect World" cop-out scenarious.

In your "Perfect World" view, you would only vote for a candidate that shares your view on ALL of the issues (anything less than sharing all of your views, you understand, makes that candidate a "Lesser" of an evil). There are at least 50 million voters in this country and if each espoused your view (which you urge everyone to share), there would have to be about 50 million candidates to satisfy each individual voter's "Perfect World" candidate. Because, as you point out, ONLY VOTE FOR THE ONE THAT REPRESENTS YOUR VIEWS. since, my brother, only ONE of those candidates would win -- the remaining 49,999,999 people would not have the representative that represents them.

In a perfect world, I can't see how the interest of one person would be any different from the interest of another person, hence, all people would think, dream and fuck alike. Silly isn't it? We all know the world isn't and will never be perfect; people are individuals; each individual has his own perfect view of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; and it would take some 50 million people holding down the office as president or any other office to please each individual voter.

Since the world isn't perfect, there is only one thing that allows imperfect people to coexist in their imperfect world: COMPROMISE. That means, more often than not, voting, fucking, loving, marrying, etc., the person who best fits your ideal. Best, however, doesn't mean IT ... just the closest compromise to IT. A "Lesser" of something else; something ideal.

Finallly, when you fail to do what is best, under the circumstances, all you're really doing, despite all the fancy-sounding bullshit rhetoric, is allowing those who do choose to do what they see as best .... make choices FOR YOU.



QueEx

They already made the choice for you when they only gave you two choices.

If someone gives me shit or piss for a choice my choice is neither. If someone gives me apples or oranges and I want an apple or orange then I will choose. Any ticket where there is not a candidate who I can support with my heart and say he represents me I will not vote for period. I take my vote and my endorsement of political figures very seriously. For that reason I will not vote for someone I cannot support. If I cannot support any candidates in a race I will not vote. That is my personal honor and integrity as a human being a man and a citizen.

And please don't extrapolate what I am saying to such ridiculous extents. I never said a candidate had to hold every single view or opinion I hold. I said the candidate must represent me. All candidates should represent their consituants that voted for them. That is what the political system is all about. It is not about voting for bullshit politicians because the other guy is worse. If more people didn't fall in line with the bullshit political program we might have some better choices.

 

[muckraker10021]

Don't have a One Day, One Week, or One Month mental recall, with anything older than that thrown down the 'memory hole' as in Orwell's novel 1984.

The key descriptive word that ALL pollsters, democratic & republican, get from US voters that is used to sum up the 6 years of bush is INCOMPETENT.

This reality should be blasted on the mainstream media 24/7 but it is mentioned only in passing.

Even if you are a bush ball-sucker INCOMPETENT defines bush & the rubber-stamp republiklan congress. If it were the private sector, a public corporation, the board of directors would of FIRED them years ago.

The pre-election polls speak for themselves. 68% of Americans think the country's on THE WRONG TRACK. bush approval is 30% - 36%.

It comes down to turn out and sad to say those infernal windows/linux based electronic voting machines.
After Florida in 2000, 2002, & 2004.
Ohio in 2000, 2002, & 2004
Georgia in 2000, 2002, & 2004
New Mexico in 2000, 2002, & 2004
etc. etc. etc.
The integrity of the vote is suspect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The fact that "honest?" politicians regardless of party affiliation have not stopped this privatizing of our election system, using flim-flam machines with proprietary software that state election officials are not allowed to see is the greatest danger to our fledgling democratic republic.

EXIT polls don't lie, they are THE MOST ACCURATE POLLING.
There is a reason that the republiklans have successfully outlawed exit polling in a few states and want to nationalize the outlawing of EXIT polls.

We'll see what happens later tonight. I don't know what's going to happen. The democrats should win the house -20 to 30 seats. The senate is difficult. White males will not vote for Harold Ford so he has to sweep all the white women voters & have a Massive Black turnout. It's a tough road.
Jim Webb should win. Allen is imploding.

The video below is a reminder of WHAT NOT to put in the memory hole. VOTE!!


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[QueEx]

For the record Temujin,

I don't use the term "voting for lesser of evils". I think it mischaracterizes the issue which is examining what the candidates stand for, as best we can determine, and casting a vote for the one who best fits ones view of the issues.

So as to be clear, I never asked or insinuated that you or anyone else merely vote for the lesser of evils, though I did attempt, unsuccessfully, to demonstrate the difference. I think you will see that if you read with clarity what I have posted.

That term "Lesser of Evils" has become so distorted until some people have simply come to see all candidates as "evil", the process as evil, refuse to examine candidates based on issues and simply drop out or never enter the political process.

If you have construed what I have said above to mean that you should vote for one of two candidates, regardless of how you might feel about the two, you misunderstood and I did a poor job of being clear. There are usually always "other issues" on the ballot that deserve attention and not voting at all, because of a couple of candidates, IS unwise and irresponsible.

What congressional district do you belong ?

QieEx

 

[African Herbsman]

Que, what do you post on the main board regarding encouraging people to vote.

I would love to get those knuckleheads to vote, or at least somewhat counter the African Herbsman and Muckraker campaign of, "your vote doesn't matter."

Damn, how did i miss this shout out.

Yes, I voted today. Yes, I still think our elections are corrupt.

 

[GET YOU HOT]

Just did it, looked like a pretty good turn out, out west...

 

[QueEx]

For all of those who took time out of your busy schedules and
time away from other things you needed to have been doing:

<font size="5">Thank you!</font size>

for doing your part to try to make a difference, no matter
which way you may have cast your ballot; your singular
voice along with the other singular voices, collectively,
have been heard.

QueEx

 

[VegasGuy]

For all of those who took time out of your busy schedules and
time away from other things you needed to have been doing:

<font size="5">Thank you!</font size>

for doing your part to try to make a difference, no matter
which way you may have cast your ballot; your singular
voice along with the other singular voices, collectively,
have been heard.

QueEx

Dont pop the corks just yet. You still don't yet know how whatever changes the majority party will be able to deliver. My guess is it will long very simular to what we already have coming out of Washington. I'd re-evaluate after 2 years of democrat policy so smoke your blunts tonight while you got em but tomorrow is what counts. This vote is a vote for change in direction. We have yet to see any change to smile about.

-VG

 

[QueEx]

In time, they too will be judged.

QueEx

 

[QueEx]

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For those who think votes don't count:

- A shift of 77,611 votes would have given Republicans control of the House, according to Bush's political team.

- And a shift of 2,847 votes in Montana, or 7,217 votes in Virginia, or 41,537 votes in Missouri would have given a Republicans control of the Senate.

- In addition, the Republican Party has calculated that the winner received 51 percent or less in 35 contests,

- and that 23 races were decided by two percentage points or fewer,

- 18 races were decided by fewer than 5,000 votes,

- 15 races were decided by fewer than 4,000 votes,

- 10 races were decided by fewer than 3,000 votes,

- 8 were decided by fewer than 2,000 votes; and

-5 races were decided by fewer than 1,000 votes.​

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Extracted from Karl Rove's post game analysis.
http://time-blog.com/allen_report/2006/11/the_architect_speaks.html

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[geechiedan]

Progressives and Leftwingers need to sack up and get to the polls!

I understand that enthusiasm for Obama and the democratic party has waned. Mainly because he's proven to be human and not the mythological savior his supporters thought or hoped he'd be. And a lot of that has to do with the lofty rhetoric that was his spiel during the campaign but some that was the unrealistic dreams that supporters had as well. I mean, come did any of you REALLY think he was going to change how DC operates period much less in two years into his first term? Also, a lot of discontent is connected to high unemployment.

But after reading all these articles stating that independents are considering voting republican and progressives and liberals may sit on their asses come November 2nd is just fucking ridiculous. For sure the Obama administration has been doing a piss poor job of showing the progress they have made thus far but to have supporters and liberal press say things like "I'm exhausted from defending you" or "Obama just isn't into the Middle Class" just plays right into your political opponent's narrative and does nothing to motivate your own side to the polls.

And while everyone is bitching and hand wringing because the President failed to deliver all the bells and whistles, no one is saying whats a better alternative. Progressives and liberals bitched about the health care reform bill not having the public option or be single payer (they're angry it didn't go far enough) but instead of saying to poll takers yes I want the bill (and will raise hell to modify it) when asked they said no. Which does nothing but give republicans ammunition to say that even the administration's supporters didn't want the thing. Which brings us back to...WHATS THE ALTERNATIVE?

read the rest: http://mcztheworld.blogspot.com/2010/10/progressives-and-leftwingers-need-to.html

 

[QueEx]

Re: Progressives and Leftwingers need to sack up and get to the polls!

 

[QueEx]

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THIS IS THE DAY

YOU SEND YOUR MESSAGE

WHATEVER YOUR MESSAGE IS

JUST DO IT

GO VOTE

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[QueEx]

 

[QueEx]

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THIS IS THE DAY

YOU SEND YOUR MESSAGE

WHATEVER YOUR MESSAGE IS

JUST DO IT

GO VOTE

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[muckraker10021]

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[muckraker10021]

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[QueEx]

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