I suspect some of these prisoner releases and the videos are a setup to undermine the legislation.
Video shows man, later released on bail reform, beating girlfriend
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Or......maybe the legislation should have been better?
It could always be better, but it may have been the best compromise between all parties at the table.
I get that but at this point there are clear holes that need to be closed. Don't wait until a tragic death at the hands of one of these people.
I see this backfiring quickly. Crime rates immediately went up across the boroughs. Great in theory, but on practice not so good.....
Cool. I can did that it was a compromise. But who were the jokers responsible for the inclusion of violent crimes and gun-related offenses?
If conservatives fought for that shit to purposely sabotage the bill, they should be called out.
If liberals put that in on some idealistic bullshit, they should be called out.
On some real shit, the folks who included the violent and gun-related offenses shouldn't be allowed to work in politics again. This is as big a fuck up as any on the local level.
The shit shouldn't even have been put forward as it is. People called this shit when the offenses were listed.
You supposed to get bail money back at court?
It's all good... she's alive... and he'll be getting a beat down from his cell mates when he gets back to his regiment "three hots and a cot"
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Here's your logic. 500 rich potentially dangerous people can beat the system then wreak havoc on society. That's not very fair. Let's allow 50,000 potentially dangerous people to beat the system and wreak havoc on the public.
Nope. That’s actually their logic in reverse. Cast a financial hardship net to lower crime.
“ catch 50,000 in the net and eliminate 500 potential crimes. “.
Not very efficient.
Yeah it's far more effective to cast a net with a huge fucking hole in it.
This is idiotic. Bail is for people WHO HAVE NOT BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME. Why is it fair to have a system where poor people have to wait in Jail to find our their innocent but rich people don't. Is it fair to lock up one innocent poor person because they can't afford the bail? So your fear is supposed to over ride my freedom?
Fear is how they get you to give up your rights and accept the violation of the rights of others. There should be no system in America where whether or not you are incarcerated depends on how much money you have.
Young idiot don't know what to do with a bad bitch girl friend, fucking fag
There is no net with bail reform.
Everything thing else is advancing in the millennium. You mean to tell me technology can keep advancing but the legal system can’t.
the current legal system was invented with the landline telephone. I’m sure there’s a more efficient way to go about it.
There is a more efficient way to go about it. But I think a that a catch and release policy is a bit asinine.
So the innocent people that were robbed, raped and murdered by predicate criminals didn't have their rights violated? Furthermore do you think these motherfuckers are going to show up to court after they get released? There's literally no incentive not to run. If you skip court and get locked up they just release you all over again. The mayor is reduced to bribing people to show up to court with gift cards and tickets to mets games and Broadway shows.
What does rich people have to do with this? In what world are the rich snatching purses and stealing cars?
Let's be real here, these predators are being released and going right back into our hoods.
Let's just hope those numbers are an anomaly cuz if not....
What does rich people have to do with this? In what world are the rich snatching purses and stealing cars?
Let's be real here, these predators are being released and going right back into our hoods.
Let's just hope those numbers are an anomaly cuz if not....
smh. Sure Y’all ain’t white?
not sure if serious.
NY bail reform offers opportunity to invest in people, not jails (Commentary)
By Special to Syracuse.com
Posted Feb 04, 8:15 AM
David Condliffe is the executive director of Center for Community Alternatives. Katie Schaffer is the director of advocacy and organizing at the Center for Community Alternatives. CCA, founded in 1981, is a leader in community-based alternatives to incarceration and policy advocacy to reduce reliance on incarceration, providing direct services to communities in Syracuse, Rochester and New York City.
By David Condliffe and Katie Schaffer | Special to Syracuse.com
The new bail reform laws enacted on Jan. 1 are a long-overdue step toward creating a fairer justice system and safer communities.
While critics continue to fearmonger and spread lies in order to roll back these changes, the reality is that the reforms are already working in Onondaga County.
New data shows a rapidly shrinking county jail population — the intended result of the reforms, and an important step towards ending our failed experiment with mass incarceration and achieving true public safety.
Onondaga County’s jail population has fallen by 20 percent due to the changes in bail. But what’s especially important about this trend is that it reveals those who were previously jailed for a few daysand then ultimately released under the old system are no longer being sent to jail at all.
Despite the constant fearmongering by political opponents of bail reform, the reality is that reducing our jail population and keeping our communities safe go hand in hand.
Research has shown that by holding someone pretrial for just two to three days can often increase the likelihood of re-arrest.
That goes against the logic we often hear from law enforcement, which is that locking up more and more people in our communities will make us safer.
Yet what those arguments fail to capture is that the crime often results from poverty, trauma, housing instability, unmet mental health needs and untreated substance abuse disorders. Continuing to senselessly fill our jails, as we have done right here in Onondaga County, is a waste of taxpayer resources and does nothing to address these root drivers of harm.
Holding someone in jail for two days often means a lost job and failing further behind on bills or rent. It means that they cannot feed their family when they were already struggling to put food on the table. And it fails to tackle any mental health or substance abuse issues that may be an underlying cause.
All jail does is criminalize these problems, without producing any real solutions.
What’s more, our prior bail laws violated our constitutional right to the presumption of innocence, treating those who cannot afford bail as guilty until proven otherwise, disproportionately impacting black and brown communities.
In Onondaga County, we’ve exacerbated this failed approach year after year by pouring in tens of millions into our jails at the expense of the programs and services that would support families and communities. The county spends more on jails than education, health care or economic development.
We’ve created a vicious cycle of poverty and criminalization, which is part of why our county has some of the highest poverty rates in the state.
The overhaul of our unjust bail laws means that we can begin to re-prioritize and invest in common-sense solutions that will increase real community safety and create greater economic opportunity.
Let’s put the money we save from reducing our jail population toward giving our students the funding they deserve. We need to focus on treatment for those impacted by the opioid crisis, which continues to wreak havoc on families. There needs be a greater focus on bringing high-quality jobs to Onondaga County and boosting our training programs. And we should continue to put a greater emphasis on establishing mental health clinics and counseling services in order to provide meaningful support for those who need it.
Too many of us have had friends, family and neighbors locked up behind bars simply because they couldn’t afford bail — with the added insult of watching the wealthy, who could pay for their freedom, walk away free. This fundamentally unjust system of money bail violated our constitutional principles, criminalized poverty, and devastated families and communities.
We’re now presented with an opportunity for us to permanently move beyond this unjust status quo and make real investments to strengthen our communities. Let’s not waste it.
www.syracuse.com
By Special to Syracuse.com
Posted Feb 04, 8:15 AM
David Condliffe is the executive director of Center for Community Alternatives. Katie Schaffer is the director of advocacy and organizing at the Center for Community Alternatives. CCA, founded in 1981, is a leader in community-based alternatives to incarceration and policy advocacy to reduce reliance on incarceration, providing direct services to communities in Syracuse, Rochester and New York City.
By David Condliffe and Katie Schaffer | Special to Syracuse.com
The new bail reform laws enacted on Jan. 1 are a long-overdue step toward creating a fairer justice system and safer communities.
While critics continue to fearmonger and spread lies in order to roll back these changes, the reality is that the reforms are already working in Onondaga County.
New data shows a rapidly shrinking county jail population — the intended result of the reforms, and an important step towards ending our failed experiment with mass incarceration and achieving true public safety.
Onondaga County’s jail population has fallen by 20 percent due to the changes in bail. But what’s especially important about this trend is that it reveals those who were previously jailed for a few daysand then ultimately released under the old system are no longer being sent to jail at all.
Despite the constant fearmongering by political opponents of bail reform, the reality is that reducing our jail population and keeping our communities safe go hand in hand.
Research has shown that by holding someone pretrial for just two to three days can often increase the likelihood of re-arrest.
That goes against the logic we often hear from law enforcement, which is that locking up more and more people in our communities will make us safer.
Yet what those arguments fail to capture is that the crime often results from poverty, trauma, housing instability, unmet mental health needs and untreated substance abuse disorders. Continuing to senselessly fill our jails, as we have done right here in Onondaga County, is a waste of taxpayer resources and does nothing to address these root drivers of harm.
Holding someone in jail for two days often means a lost job and failing further behind on bills or rent. It means that they cannot feed their family when they were already struggling to put food on the table. And it fails to tackle any mental health or substance abuse issues that may be an underlying cause.
All jail does is criminalize these problems, without producing any real solutions.
What’s more, our prior bail laws violated our constitutional right to the presumption of innocence, treating those who cannot afford bail as guilty until proven otherwise, disproportionately impacting black and brown communities.
In Onondaga County, we’ve exacerbated this failed approach year after year by pouring in tens of millions into our jails at the expense of the programs and services that would support families and communities. The county spends more on jails than education, health care or economic development.
We’ve created a vicious cycle of poverty and criminalization, which is part of why our county has some of the highest poverty rates in the state.
The overhaul of our unjust bail laws means that we can begin to re-prioritize and invest in common-sense solutions that will increase real community safety and create greater economic opportunity.
Let’s put the money we save from reducing our jail population toward giving our students the funding they deserve. We need to focus on treatment for those impacted by the opioid crisis, which continues to wreak havoc on families. There needs be a greater focus on bringing high-quality jobs to Onondaga County and boosting our training programs. And we should continue to put a greater emphasis on establishing mental health clinics and counseling services in order to provide meaningful support for those who need it.
Too many of us have had friends, family and neighbors locked up behind bars simply because they couldn’t afford bail — with the added insult of watching the wealthy, who could pay for their freedom, walk away free. This fundamentally unjust system of money bail violated our constitutional principles, criminalized poverty, and devastated families and communities.
We’re now presented with an opportunity for us to permanently move beyond this unjust status quo and make real investments to strengthen our communities. Let’s not waste it.
NY bail reform offers opportunity to invest in people, not jails (Commentary)
Jailing defendants does not address the root causes of crime and violates constitutional rights of the accused, bail reform advocates write.
One is Acur and the other is a slimey pig
He’s from the souf. You gatta excuse his slow self
Sure you ain't retarded?
NY bail reform offers opportunity to invest in people, not jails (Commentary)
By Special to Syracuse.com
Posted Feb 04, 8:15 AM
David Condliffe is the executive director of Center for Community Alternatives. Katie Schaffer is the director of advocacy and organizing at the Center for Community Alternatives. CCA, founded in 1981, is a leader in community-based alternatives to incarceration and policy advocacy to reduce reliance on incarceration, providing direct services to communities in Syracuse, Rochester and New York City.
By David Condliffe and Katie Schaffer | Special to Syracuse.com
The new bail reform laws enacted on Jan. 1 are a long-overdue step toward creating a fairer justice system and safer communities.
While critics continue to fearmonger and spread lies in order to roll back these changes, the reality is that the reforms are already working in Onondaga County.
New data shows a rapidly shrinking county jail population — the intended result of the reforms, and an important step towards ending our failed experiment with mass incarceration and achieving true public safety.
Onondaga County’s jail population has fallen by 20 percent due to the changes in bail. But what’s especially important about this trend is that it reveals those who were previously jailed for a few daysand then ultimately released under the old system are no longer being sent to jail at all.
Despite the constant fearmongering by political opponents of bail reform, the reality is that reducing our jail population and keeping our communities safe go hand in hand.
Research has shown that by holding someone pretrial for just two to three days can often increase the likelihood of re-arrest.
That goes against the logic we often hear from law enforcement, which is that locking up more and more people in our communities will make us safer.
Yet what those arguments fail to capture is that the crime often results from poverty, trauma, housing instability, unmet mental health needs and untreated substance abuse disorders. Continuing to senselessly fill our jails, as we have done right here in Onondaga County, is a waste of taxpayer resources and does nothing to address these root drivers of harm.
Holding someone in jail for two days often means a lost job and failing further behind on bills or rent. It means that they cannot feed their family when they were already struggling to put food on the table. And it fails to tackle any mental health or substance abuse issues that may be an underlying cause.
All jail does is criminalize these problems, without producing any real solutions.
What’s more, our prior bail laws violated our constitutional right to the presumption of innocence, treating those who cannot afford bail as guilty until proven otherwise, disproportionately impacting black and brown communities.
In Onondaga County, we’ve exacerbated this failed approach year after year by pouring in tens of millions into our jails at the expense of the programs and services that would support families and communities. The county spends more on jails than education, health care or economic development.
We’ve created a vicious cycle of poverty and criminalization, which is part of why our county has some of the highest poverty rates in the state.
The overhaul of our unjust bail laws means that we can begin to re-prioritize and invest in common-sense solutions that will increase real community safety and create greater economic opportunity.
Let’s put the money we save from reducing our jail population toward giving our students the funding they deserve. We need to focus on treatment for those impacted by the opioid crisis, which continues to wreak havoc on families. There needs be a greater focus on bringing high-quality jobs to Onondaga County and boosting our training programs. And we should continue to put a greater emphasis on establishing mental health clinics and counseling services in order to provide meaningful support for those who need it.
Too many of us have had friends, family and neighbors locked up behind bars simply because they couldn’t afford bail — with the added insult of watching the wealthy, who could pay for their freedom, walk away free. This fundamentally unjust system of money bail violated our constitutional principles, criminalized poverty, and devastated families and communities.
We’re now presented with an opportunity for us to permanently move beyond this unjust status quo and make real investments to strengthen our communities. Let’s not waste it.
NY bail reform offers opportunity to invest in people, not jails (Commentary)
Jailing defendants does not address the root causes of crime and violates constitutional rights of the accused, bail reform advocates write.
I actually took the time to read your article. First of all the article talks about onondanga county which is a small town in Syracuse. I'm talking about New York city and you post an article about some bullshit little town upstate. You're clearly not even from NY.
Second of all the article brings up the point that there are fewer people in jail because of jail reform. That's the problem! Motherfuckers that should be in jail are released into the public. Im not talking about people locked up public drunkenness, child support or turnstile jumping. People caught carrying guns, rapists, murderers, child abusers are released even if they get caught t red handed if have a history of committing the offense.
Last of all you have to actually convince these people to show up to court. Good luck convincing someone to show up to a hearing when they are caught red handed or on their third or fourth offense.
How are our communities are safer when we literally take murderers, rapists, drug dealers, sexual offenders and release them right back into our communities hours after they are arrested.
According to dude if you want safer communities you must be white.
De Blasio admits NYC crime jump is linked to bail reform
Guess he couldn’t find anything else to pin it on.
Mayor Bill de Blasio linked a recent crime surge in the Big Apple to the state’s controversial overhaul of bail laws Friday, after spending a week dancing around the matter.
“We had, for six years, steady decreases in crime across the board. There’s not a whole lot of other environmental things that have changed recently,” Hizzoner told WNYC’s Brian Lehrer on new CompStat data that shows crime has soared since the new laws took effect at the start of 2020. “It sort of stands out like a sore thumb that this is the single biggest new thing in the equation and we saw an extraordinary jump.”
“Of course there’s always a possibility this is plain statistical variation, that happens sometimes,” he added. “But I think it’s pretty clear that there’s only one new major piece in the equation.”
The controversial law bars judges from setting bail to hold criminal defendants for most misdemeanors and non-violent felonies cases. It’s come under intense criticism from law enforcement officials and prosecutors.
De Blasio again reiterated his support for giving the judges the power to lock up defendants they believe are a danger to the public while awaiting trial — a position that’s left him at odds with the bail overhaul’s top backer, Assembly Speaker Carl Heastie (D-The Bronx).
“I think judicial discretion should be clarified so that there are very clear checks and balances, so that we avoid any inkling of bias entering into the process, but I think a system predicated only on the question of flight risk misses the fact that there are some individuals who are just consistently, by their own actions, and by the proof of due process, consistently creat[ing] a threat to their neighbors,” de Blasio said on the show.
It’s a change in tune for City Hall from just Tuesday when de Blasio repeatedly dodged questions about the link between bail laws and a surge in crime stats that show auto thefts, robberies, burglaries, grand larcenies and felony assaults have all shot up since the start of 2020.
nypost.com
Guess he couldn’t find anything else to pin it on.
Mayor Bill de Blasio linked a recent crime surge in the Big Apple to the state’s controversial overhaul of bail laws Friday, after spending a week dancing around the matter.
“We had, for six years, steady decreases in crime across the board. There’s not a whole lot of other environmental things that have changed recently,” Hizzoner told WNYC’s Brian Lehrer on new CompStat data that shows crime has soared since the new laws took effect at the start of 2020. “It sort of stands out like a sore thumb that this is the single biggest new thing in the equation and we saw an extraordinary jump.”
“Of course there’s always a possibility this is plain statistical variation, that happens sometimes,” he added. “But I think it’s pretty clear that there’s only one new major piece in the equation.”
The controversial law bars judges from setting bail to hold criminal defendants for most misdemeanors and non-violent felonies cases. It’s come under intense criticism from law enforcement officials and prosecutors.
De Blasio again reiterated his support for giving the judges the power to lock up defendants they believe are a danger to the public while awaiting trial — a position that’s left him at odds with the bail overhaul’s top backer, Assembly Speaker Carl Heastie (D-The Bronx).
“I think judicial discretion should be clarified so that there are very clear checks and balances, so that we avoid any inkling of bias entering into the process, but I think a system predicated only on the question of flight risk misses the fact that there are some individuals who are just consistently, by their own actions, and by the proof of due process, consistently creat[ing] a threat to their neighbors,” de Blasio said on the show.
It’s a change in tune for City Hall from just Tuesday when de Blasio repeatedly dodged questions about the link between bail laws and a surge in crime stats that show auto thefts, robberies, burglaries, grand larcenies and felony assaults have all shot up since the start of 2020.
De Blasio admits NYC crime jump is linked to bail reform
Guess he couldn’t find anything else to pin it on. Mayor Bill de Blasio linked a recent crime surge in the Big Apple to the state’s controversial overhaul of bail laws Friday, after spending …
nypost.com
Def a CAC
Bruh first of all you don't live in nyc. If you did you wouldn't support this bullshit. Second of all bail reform isn't the issue. The fact that people are being released for violent crimes is the issue. The fact that people are being released via bail reform then committing more crimes and being released is the issue. The fact that a person can be an imminent threat to society and still be released without spending a day in jail is the issue. The fact that the courts are backlogged and work slow as fuck is the issue.
Hopping on the J train now CAC.
Enjoy your train ride clown.
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