Unicef says Dutch children are the happiest on earth (I wonder why?)

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Dutch children have been rated the most fortunate children in Europe. Their parents go out of their way to please them, and teachers expect less of them than some of their European counterparts.


Dutch society is very child-centred
The Netherlands has come top of a league table for child well-being across 21 industrialised countries.

The study by the UN children's organisation, Unicef, looked at relative poverty, educational and health standards, sexual behaviour and the children's relationship with friends and parents.

"The Netherlands has always been a very child-centred society," says Paul Vangeert, professor of developmental psychology at the University of Groningen. "In particular, there is a lot of focus on young children."

He says he is not surprised by the report. "On the one hand you have objective indicators in the report like health, income and education. The Netherlands is a very rich country. On the other hand, and perhaps more importantly, are the subjective indicators, young people's own subjective sense of well-being."

CHILD WELL-BEING TABLE
1. Netherlands
2. Sweden
3. Denmark
4. Finland
5. Spain
6. Switzerland
7. Norway
8. Italy
9. Republic of Ireland
10. Belgium
11. Germany
12. Canada
13. Greece
14. Poland
15. Czech Republic
16. France
17. Portugal
18. Austria
19. Hungary
20. United States
21. United Kingdom
Source: Unicef


Key points at-a-glance
Much of this, he says, comes from the relationship that Dutch parents have with their children. And, from the fact that less pressure is put on them at school.

"If you take the percentage of young mothers in the labour force, it's not very high in comparison to comparable countries," Mr Vangeert told the BBC News Website. "There is a strong tendency for mothers to raise children or take a long time off work after children are born."

He says children are used to a "highly protective, highly positive caring environment."

Children rule

One of the strong points of the Dutch family, he says, is that it is very open and communicative. Relations are generally good between parents and children and they can talk about almost anything.

But, he says, the downside is that children almost rule the family.

"It's almost a caricature that children are the ones that decide what happens within the family," says Mr Vangeert. "Their wishes become so strong that parents have to work very hard to give them what they want. Sometimes, there can be a lack of balance between the happiness of the child and that of the parent."


Relations between Dutch parents and their children are generally good
18-year-old Ysbrand, a student in Helmond near Eindhoven, says this picture matched his childhood. He says that his parents spent a lot of time with him when he was younger. His mother stayed at home while his father worked.

But, he said the contrast when you get to 18 can be something of a shock.

"Now I'm left to look after myself," he told the BBC News website. "My parents say that I need to care for myself and to be independent. It's hard. I don't have much money as a student and to go out is expensive. Beer, for example, is very expensive in the Netherlands."

He says that while he has been drinking and smoking for some time, his parents have never really seen it as a big issue.

"They've never liked it," he says. "But they realise that they were young once. They are just waiting for me to give it up in my own time."

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The Dutch are famous for their liberal attitudes towards drinks, drugs and sex.

"Because parents are more relaxed, the dynamics of the problems are less severe than in countries where they are seen as more of a serious issue," says Mr Vangeert.

Laura Vos, a 16-year-old schoolgirl from Amsterdam agrees.

"In this country, it's very free, you can do anything you want," she told the BBC's Newsnight programme. "You can smoke at 16, you can buy pot in the store next to the school. You can do what you like and because it's not illegal, it's not that interesting for us to provoke our parents with it."

REPORT CATEGORIES
Material well-being
Family and peer relationships
Health and safety
Behaviour and risks
Own sense of well-being [educational]
Own sense of well-being [subjective]

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Schoolfriend Michell Klimt told the BBC that she thought that teenagers in other countries had to deal with the type of peer pressure that her friends did not have to even consider.

"I think in England, for example, there is a lot of pressure on teenagers. There is something on MTV called Virgin Diaries. Girls of 16 and 17 worry because they are still virgins. It's like they have to have sex to be cool," she says.

"In Holland, it isn't that important - it doesn't matter to anyone."

Rutt Veenhoven, professor of social conditions for human happiness at Erasmus University in Rotterdam, says he was unsurprised by the report's findings.

"Small affluent countries such as the Netherlands and Denmark are very democratic and very free. There is also a very good education system. People can use that freedom and education to make the right choices," he says.

Selma el Maknouzi, a 16-year-old student from The Hague says young people in the Netherlands have a lot to look forward to.

"I'm very happy with the education here because it's at a very high level," she told the BBC News website. "Everybody has the chance and the opportunity to do whatever he or she wants to do. There are many jobs - everyone can work and there are opportunities to build a good career in later life."

Mr Veenhoven says that the general picture is pretty much in keeping with what he has seen in samples of the adult population. He says that typically in Western Europe countries like the Netherlands and Denmark score particularly well.

"And we know that happy adults raise happy children," he says.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6360517.stm

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Isn't it ironic that #'s 20 & 21 on the list are the most frequent to start wars and fuck with other nations?
 
they are so happy because their forefathers stole all of the land and resources from africa to make them the rich carefree sons of bitches that they are today :angry:
 
UltimateLurker said:
CHILD WELL-BEING TABLE
1. Netherlands
2. Sweden
3. Denmark
4. Finland
5. Spain
6. Switzerland
7. Norway
8. Italy
9. Republic of Ireland
10. Belgium
11. Germany
12. Canada
13. Greece
14. Poland
15. Czech Republic
16. France
17. Portugal
18. Austria
19. Hungary
20. United States
21. United Kingdom
Source: Unicef

:D 2000 Czech Korunas buys something...
 
uptownharlem said:
they are so happy because their forefathers stole all of the land and resources from africa to make them the rich carefree sons of bitches that they are today :angry:


CO-SIGN!!

Oh and for this comment...

Isn't it ironic that #'s 20 & 21 on the list are the most frequent to start wars and fuck with other nations?

Hey, take a look at 11. NUFF SAID!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
qlemm said:
So basically it's saying Europe = Good

Fuck that. Europe = go fuck yourself

Do you have a problem with Europe, or with certain Europeans?

I've lived in Europe for several years (Spain, Italy, DE, Belguim, Germany) and yes, they have their bad, but by and far some of the warmest and most welcoming people I've ever met.
 
Americans dont like taking care of their kids... so they play videogames (1st person shooters) and grow up wanting to start wars and shit.
 
UltimateLurker said:
Hells yea :dance: :dance:


Probably because Europe has very high rates of births to unwed mothers, you know, single parent families.....

[An increasing number of births outside marriage]


"In 1990, more than 30% of the children born in France were born out of wedlock, which puts France in the second place behind Denmark in the European Community. The proportion of illegitimate births, which has been growing since the sixties, has greatly increased over the last decade. Simultaneously, the differences associated [with] the distinction between illegitimate and legitimate births have become less visible: geographical or social disparities are less noticeable, and today both married and unmarried women have children later in life." (SUMMARY IN ENG AND SPA) excerpt

PMID: 12343715 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12343715&dopt=Abstract




One third of births in EU outside marriage in 2004: Eurostat

One in every three new births in the European Union (EU) in 2004 took place outside marriage, said Eurostat, EU's statistical service, on Tuesday.

The highest shares were found in Estonia, Sweden, Denmark, Latvia, France, Slovenia and Britain, where the rates exceeded 40 percent. Cyprus and Greece recorded the lowest shares of below 5 percent. The average rate was 31.6 percent, said Eurostat.

http://english.people.com.cn/200510/26/eng20051026_216868.html
 
qlemm said:
So basically it's saying Europe = Good

Fuck that. Europe = go fuck yourself

You are probably one out of the 86% americans without a passport.
You know nothing 'bout the rest of the world.
Please stay ignorant and where you are.
 
qlemm said:
So basically it's saying Europe = Good

Fuck that. Europe = go fuck yourself


Don't know about that.
But, Europe certainly equals stable.
And stability is about as important as anything when creating an environment for happy and contented children.
 
Norway, Sweden and Denmark are Scandanavian countries. Scandanavian countries are the child porn capitols of the world. Something about that shit just don't add up. Maybe their happy because they have blond hair and blue eyes and they know America won't be dropping bombs on them.
 
Damn, not even ONE African country...WTF???

Not having money, doesn't always mean you're unhappy.

I've known plenty of kids from Africa that are as happy as can be because they at least have family support from both of their parents, unlike a lot of kids here.
 
XXXplosive said:
Damn, not even ONE African country...WTF???

Not having money, doesn't always mean you're unhappy.

I've known plenty of kids from Africa that are as happy as can be because they at least have family support from both of their parents, unlike a lot of kids here.

"Unicef, looked at relative poverty, educational and health standards" among other objective indicators to create the happiness index. Not just a smile-o-meter :D
 
I live there every 2 months or so. it's perfect to raise kids..this only my observation, I see kids play on the street late at night, I meaning having kids fun...the drug shit is lose, not everyone is into it, but it there openly. Food is fresh, schools are good...but last yr there was few incidents of school killing...some dude walk into a school and stab his girlfriend's son to death.
To be frank, it's the best place for kids...hardly any racist stuff going on...it's nice..damn very nice and there is large % of blacks there too.
 
Dert Bagg said:
"Unicef, looked at relative poverty, educational and health standards" among other objective indicators to create the happiness index. Not just a smile-o-meter :D

Those sound like SUBJECTIVE indicators to me

So basically this list is a bunch of BULLSHIT (like most "lists")
 
XXXplosive said:
Those sound like SUBJECTIVE indicators to me

So basically this list is a bunch of BULLSHIT (like most "lists")

Well I guess all standards might be subjective to you then....
Don't know whats subjective about rates of literacy, childhood disease, infant mortality, malnourishment, life expectancy, availability of shelter, etc.

Which vectors are used to determine "happiness" are unavoidably subjective, which is why UNICEF makes available what the index is actually measuring.

UNICEF isn't in the practice of making lists for fun. (This list happens to be one that the media always picks up on.) The index demonstrates where their services are needed least. Its not a Grade for the Race. IMO, its not a coincidence that the list is dominated by nations with strong socialist government programming. Thats the lesson of the list. The US Gov should feel ridiculous being the wealthiest nation in the history of the world, stuck (@ #21) under any nation, let alone beneath Hungary and the Czech Republic, in an index of child welfare.
 
hunchbak said:
Americans dont like taking care of their kids... so they play videogames (1st person shooters) and grow up wanting to start wars and shit.
Agree....!

with a president like this, WE'LL NEVER BE RANKED IN THE TOP FIVE
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uptownharlem said:
they are so happy because their forefathers stole all of the land and resources from africa to make them the rich carefree sons of bitches that they are today :angry:

if that were true, every lil white american kid would be floatin on clouds of nugget and caramel. seen plenty of poor white crack headz and heroin addicts w/fuked up lives

it ain't about black and white. it's about rich and poor. it ain't a race war. it's a class/privledge war
 
Dert Bagg said:
Well I guess all standards might be subjective to you then....
Don't know whats subjective about rates of literacy, childhood disease, infant mortality, malnourishment, life expectancy, availability of shelter, etc.

Which vectors are used to determine "happiness" are unavoidably subjective, which is why UNICEF makes available what the index is actually measuring.

UNICEF isn't in the practice of making lists for fun. (This list happens to be one that the media always picks up on.) The index demonstrates where their services are needed least. Its not a Grade for the Race. IMO, its not a coincidence that the list is dominated by nations with strong socialist government programming. Thats the lesson of the list. The US Gov should feel ridiculous being the wealthiest nation in the history of the world, stuck (@ #21) under any nation, let alone beneath Hungary and the Czech Republic, in an index of child welfare.


My wife, who is Somali, used to live in Norway. Now, she wants to go back in order to raise our children for at least the first few years. Here is why. SHe can take two years off of work with full coverage for each child. The husband is allowed one year off with full pay. Each child gets $5000 just for a baby shower. When they turn 18 they get a a large sum of money in order to start their life. This is all government programs. the lone factor is that when they reach 18 they have to join the military or do community service for 2 years.

She is a Norwegian citizen so she gets all those perks, but America is nothing compared to Europe. I have freinds who are paying over $200 a week for child care. If you look at the meidan income in my state for a family which is $59k and the standard of living then that shit is hell to pay. You can't get a home in my neigborhood for less than $500k, and the schools still suck. Everyone sends their kids to private school. Let's look at health care. We have to live off of her's because she is a nurse practioner, and I am in the film business. I make more, but my benefits are paid out of my own pocket. Then there is retirement and all that stuff. Straight up. I would love to go somewhere warm, but Eurpoe isn't looking to shabby for retirement considering there are no major crises in the next 30 years. hell, I ahven't spken about educating college education and beyond for the kids. Then you are going to have to give them some cash to start out their lives which is something many Black folks don't do, but I know many white kids who had those advantages. No student loans and debt when they left school. They were able to purchase property at a young age which means they are able to build a solid foundation for their children. You don't have to be rich, but you have to think about intergenerational wealth. Anyone in their right mind wants their children to be better off.
 
uptownharlem said:
they are so happy because their forefathers stole all of the land and resources from africa to make them the rich carefree sons of bitches that they are today :angry:

Africa not so much...Indonesia, but u do have a point!
 
The countries with the highest scores in terms of education alone are Belgium, Canada, Poland, Finland and Sweden. Denmark ranks 8th and the UK 17th. I'm afraid the latter doesn't surprise me at all.
 
Damn Right said:
if that were true, every lil white american kid would be floatin on clouds of nugget and caramel. seen plenty of poor white crack headz and heroin addicts w/fuked up lives

it ain't about black and white. it's about rich and poor. it ain't a race war. it's a class/privledge war
yea, and exactly how is that judgement made? aren't race related to class/priviledge? In the world if one is consider or judged to be from a "lower-class" then it can be reasonably assumed that they're could be of a minority race? don't you think?




boro said:
I think Norway would be ideal for me
I bet, them Norwegians chicks are the shit.......... :dance:
 
:hmm: :hmm: :roflmao: It's because their Kids can smoke all the Hash and Ganja they want without the fear of spending half or more of their youth behind bars. :cool: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:

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