TV Discussion: Poker Face ft. Natasha Lyonne (on Paramount +)


Natasha Lyonne on the Surreal Freedom of Make-Believe: “I’m Pretty Honest About That Being My Kink”​

The singular star of Poker Face also talks childhood, death, and how her inner voice sounds like noir.
By Joy PressPhotography by Camilla ÅkransStyled by Celia Azoulay
January 23, 2025
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The high-spirited Natasha Lyonne was photographed at Gary’s Lofts in New York City on November 3. Clothing by Gucci; bralette and briefs by Intimissimi.Photograph by Camilla Åkrans; Styled by Celia Azoulay


“What’s so amazing about having a moment is they let you do stuff,” says Natasha Lyonne, her halo of orange curls bobbing in the East Village twilight. “It means your ideas are worthy of bankrolling and worthy of actually getting made. And it means the freedom to not have to hustle quite so hard. You don’t have to go in and open your briefcase, show your wares, and have people say, ‘No, thank you, we’re not looking for any stopwatches today.’ I’ve had decades of that.
Lyonne lurked at the margins of Hollywood a long time, an eccentric with self-confessed niche appeal. But in recent years, she’s moved closer to the center—or maybe the center has finally come to her. After co-creating the mind-bending Emmy-winning series Russian Doll with Leslye Headland and Amy Poehler, Lyonne scored a hit with the charming retro murder mystery series Poker Face and was acclaimed last fall for her moving performance in His Three Daughters. Her days are now a frantic treadmill: appearances in the upcoming Fantastic Four movie and Taika Waititi’s Klara and the Sun; producing, starring in, and directing some episodes of Poker Face’s second season; and developing projects for her own production company, Animal Pictures. “I’ve had moments in life that have been lonely and dark and broke enough where your priority is definitely not ‘Did you pitch a TV show well this morning?’ So if I hear myself being like, I’m so tired—that means I’ve lost the gratitude for how extraordinary my circumstance is.”
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Lyonne appeared in Pee-wee’s Playhouse as a child and starred in Slums of Beverly Hills and American Pie as a young adult. Now 45, she looks back in anger rather than nostalgia. “I remember those years pretty well, against my will,” she says in that raspy New York accent that sounds like a wiseguy crossed with a borscht belt comedian. “There’s something about being alert and in the workforce as a child—you can’t put the genie back in the bottle, you can’t unknow what you’ve seen.” That sensation of being a commodity has informed everything she’s done since.
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The second child of Orthodox Jewish parents, Lyonne grew up in New York and Israel against a backdrop of drinking sprees, fights, and general volatility. Her mother was an aspiring ballerina, her father a boxing promoter and radio shock jock who, she says, did things like calling into Howard Stern’s show while she was a guest. All this made them what she diplomatically calls “tricky” stage parents: “You don’t necessarily want to win at this thing that you’re being told is a prize, so I was always trying to hide in the shadows. Since my parents’ dream was for me to be famous, my whole purpose in life was to try to crush their dream by not doing that.” Instead of getting her degree at NYU, she picked up a heroin addiction and (after she had kicked her habit) had open-heart surgery to repair the damage.
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Dress by Loewe; bralette by Eres; briefs by Commando; bracelet by Bulgari High Jewelry.Photograph by Camilla Åkrans; Styled by Celia Azoulay
After her parents died—circa Orange Is the New Black, in which she played a junkie—she began to feel more comfortable being front and center as an actor. “I always dreamed of this fantasy place where I was able to do the thing I loved so much,” she says, “but without this albatross on my back of being somebody else’s funnel for cash.” Now that she’s arrived at this dream destination, Lyonne is reveling in her new freedom to stretch out in projects that tickle her imagination. “It’s like going off on this little adventure into this space that’s not quite here or there—it’s a third space, and we’re all gonna agree that it’s real and live there for a while,” she says. She breaks into a huge smile. “I’m pretty honest about that being my kink.”
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Clothing by Valentino.Photograph by Camilla Åkrans; Styled by Celia Azoulay
For Russian Doll, she and her collaborators, Amy Poehler and Leslye Headland, assembled an all-female writers room to invent a genre. As Lyonne booms in the deep tones of a movie trailer narrator, it was “quantum physics meets trauma meets comedy.” Her own character, Nadia, had a touch of the Philip Marlowe gumshoe about her, so it’s not surprising to hear that Lyonne spent much of her youth in rundown New York theaters and YMCAs watching noir films. She eventually developed an internal voice that narrated everything she saw and experienced as if she were living inside a noir. “I’m sure a therapist would just call it disassociating from trauma,” she adds with a shrug.
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This dovetailed perfectly with Rian Johnson’s notion of making a Columbo-style series. While Russian Doll’s Nadia was trying to unravel her own existential mystery, Poker Face’s Charlie ends up traveling the country as a fugitive, helping solve strangers’ murders. “Charlie loves people and can’t help but get herself tangled up in helping them,” Lyonne says. The character is witty and warm, putting people at ease as she drifts through unglamorous pockets of America. Lyonne says Charlie belongs to a classic American lineage of drifters who “just hang out on the fringes of society as a witness.” Which reminds me of the way she describes herself to me, as “the quiet one, sort of like the witness” in her own family. “I was always cataloging scenes and vignettes and tableaus. I did always think I would be able to write my way out of whatever nightmare I found myself in.”
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That death is a primary motif in Poker Face—and other recent projects—is not a coincidence. “I am endlessly, recklessly fascinated with the fact that we die at the end of our movie, no matter what we do,” she says. “You could not think of a more insane outcome to this whole gig than this finality.” Lyonne, the rare actor who name-drops philosophers and actively wants to discuss string theory, points out that despite our being steeped in futuristic technology, “we’re still stuck in an actual lived experience where we have no idea when it’ll hit. You could just walk down the street and a brain aneurysm or a bus hits you.”
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Dress by Rabanne; hat by Lynn Paik; sunglasses by Selima Optique x Dusan Reljin. Throughout: hair products by Oribe; makeup products by Tom Ford Beauty; nail enamel by CND.Photograph by Camilla Åkrans; Styled by Celia Azoulay
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All the more reason to enjoy her hot streak, hopscotching between Klara, which is based on a novel by Kazuo Ishiguro, and a Marvel blockbuster. “I’m very moved that they want me to be in that movie,” Lyonne says of Fantastic Four, adding that she’s known costar Ebon Moss-Bachrach for 25 years. Oddly enough, she sees dots connecting the movies: “It is all very interstellar-type stuff, coming at it from different directions.” Her eyes light up. “I’m also in the Smurfs movie,” she says, “and actually some stuff does happen that’s…I don’t want to get into it, because I’ll get in trouble. But assuming that I’m dead by 8:45 p.m. tonight and they have to cut the movies together in a mash-up, it will all marry well, I think.”
 



Season 2 starts in just under 2 months' time ...



Poker Face is an American crime comedy-drama television series created by Rian Johnson for the streaming service Peacock. Stylized as a "case-of-the-week" murder mystery series, it stars Natasha Lyonne as Charlie Cale, a casino worker on the run who entangles herself into several mysterious deaths of strangers along the way.[1][2]

Peacock announced the series in March 2021, with Lyonne attached and Johnson as director.[2] Nora Zuckerman and Lilla Zuckerman were named as co-showrunners.[2] The first season of Poker Face consisted of 10 episodes and debuted on January 26, 2023.[1][3] In February 2023, the series was renewed for a second season which is set to premiere on May 8, 2025.[4][5] The series has received critical acclaim. Lyonne was nominated for Outstanding Lead Actress in a Comedy Series at the 75th Primetime Emmy Awards.[6]
 
Season 2 starts in just under 2 months' time ...



Poker Face is an American crime comedy-drama television series created by Rian Johnson for the streaming service Peacock. Stylized as a "case-of-the-week" murder mystery series, it stars Natasha Lyonne as Charlie Cale, a casino worker on the run who entangles herself into several mysterious deaths of strangers along the way.[1][2]

Peacock announced the series in March 2021, with Lyonne attached and Johnson as director.[2] Nora Zuckerman and Lilla Zuckerman were named as co-showrunners.[2] The first season of Poker Face consisted of 10 episodes and debuted on January 26, 2023.[1][3] In February 2023, the series was renewed for a second season which is set to premiere on May 8, 2025.[4][5] The series has received critical acclaim. Lyonne was nominated for Outstanding Lead Actress in a Comedy Series at the 75th Primetime Emmy Awards.[6]

I am very much looking forward to this.

Elsbeth is a temu version of this.
 
I am very much looking forward to this.

Elsbeth is a temu version of this.



I was talking to one of my friends from another work location. He was telling me months back that season 2 was already out. I was like - "Nah ... there would be more buzz about it, given season 1 was well received, and had good guest cameos. Season 2 will probably have more of the same."

Gonna text him that season 2 is on the way.
 
I was talking to one of my friends from another work location. He was telling me months back that season 2 was already out. I was like - "Nah ... there would be more buzz about it, given season 1 was well received, and had good guest cameos. Season 2 will probably have more of the same."

Gonna text him that season 2 is on the way.

The long break between series has to stop especially in the streaming era. I don't want them to rush. But some if these breaks SEEM like poor planning and not logistic issues.

Poker Face is an automatic renewal after the first episode and that goes for so many other shows. You KNOW a hit when you see one. If you know what you doing.
 
The long break between series has to stop especially in the streaming era. I don't want them to rush. But some if these breaks SEEM like poor planning and not logistic issues.

Poker Face is an automatic renewal after the first episode and that goes for so many other shows. You KNOW a hit when you see one. If you know what you doing.



Agreed. The 2+ years doesn't help matters for shows.

Side note - I wish more series would follow the lead of Slow Horses (Apple+). They have a number of books in the series to draw upon. Seasons are short at only 6 episodes. And when the season wraps they've already got a trailer for the following season (preview) at the very end, as they're already working on it.



Slow Horses is a British spy thriller television series based on the Slough House series of novels by Mick Herron. The first series, Slow Horses, premiered on Apple TV+ on 1 April 2022. The second series, based on the novel Dead Lions, premiered on 2 December 2022. In June 2022, the programme was renewed for a third and fourth series. The third series, based on the novel Real Tigers, premiered on 29 November 2023. The fourth series, based on the novel Spook Street, premiered on 4 September 2024. In January 2024, it was renewed for a fifth series, which will be based on the fifth book in the series, London Rules. In October 2024, ahead of the fourth series premiere, it was renewed for a sixth series, which will be based on the sixth and seventh books in the series Joe Country and Slough House.[1]



Slough House series
NumberTitleFirst publishedFormatISBN
1Slow Horses2010novel978-1473674189
2Dead Lions2013novel978-1616952259
2.5The List2015novella978-1616957452
3Real Tigers2016novel978-1616956127
4Spook Street2017novel978-1473621299
5London Rules2018novel978-1473657403
5.5The Drop2018novella978-1473678309
6Joe Country2019novel978-1473657441
6.3The Catch2020novella978-1529331707
6.7The Last Dead Letter2020novella[Note 1]978-1529371260
7Slough House2021novel978-1529378641
8Bad Actors2022novel978-1529378702
8.3Standing by the Wall2022novella978-1399807081
8.7Standing by the Wall2022collection[Note 2]978-1641295031
9Clown Town2025novel978-1399800433
 
Agreed. The 2+ years doesn't help matters for shows.

Side note - I wish more series would follow the lead of Slow Horses (Apple+). They have a number of books in the series to draw upon. Seasons are short at only 6 episodes. And when the season wraps they've already got a trailer for the following season (preview) at the very end, as they're already working on it.



Slow Horses is a British spy thriller television series based on the Slough House series of novels by Mick Herron. The first series, Slow Horses, premiered on Apple TV+ on 1 April 2022. The second series, based on the novel Dead Lions, premiered on 2 December 2022. In June 2022, the programme was renewed for a third and fourth series. The third series, based on the novel Real Tigers, premiered on 29 November 2023. The fourth series, based on the novel Spook Street, premiered on 4 September 2024. In January 2024, it was renewed for a fifth series, which will be based on the fifth book in the series, London Rules. In October 2024, ahead of the fourth series premiere, it was renewed for a sixth series, which will be based on the sixth and seventh books in the series Joe Country and Slough House.[1]



Slough House series
NumberTitleFirst publishedFormatISBN
1Slow Horses2010novel978-1473674189
2Dead Lions2013novel978-1616952259
2.5The List2015novella978-1616957452
3Real Tigers2016novel978-1616956127
4Spook Street2017novel978-1473621299
5London Rules2018novel978-1473657403
5.5The Drop2018novella978-1473678309
6Joe Country2019novel978-1473657441
6.3The Catch2020novella978-1529331707
6.7The Last Dead Letter2020novella[Note 1]978-1529371260
7Slough House2021novel978-1529378641
8Bad Actors2022novel978-1529378702
8.3Standing by the Wall2022novella978-1399807081
8.7Standing by the Wall2022collection[Note 2]978-1641295031
9Clown Town2025novel978-1399800433

^^^^^

I still haven't watched but that concept is VERY smart.

I understand production issues, lack of source materials, scheduling and a million other factors.

And this isn't NEW Sopranos did the same sh*t and probably invented the long break.

But it's so competitive out here now the long break rarely HELPS.

Slow Horses approach sounds brilliant.
 
^^^^^

I still haven't watched but that concept is VERY smart.

I understand production issues, lack of source materials, scheduling and a million other factors.

And this isn't NEW Sopranos did the same sh*t and probably invented the long break.

But it's so competitive out here now the long break rarely HELPS.

Slow Horses approach sounds brilliant.



Indeed. My mom got me into the series. Saw the first few seasons, and then asked me to download the other ones for her after she no longer had Apple+.

Got caught up with my pops and saw season 4 in real time.

The approach is great though, as you noted. The season finishes and they're already giving you a light preview of what to expect next season. As a viewer it's a vote of confidence as they've already been pre-renewed and you know there will NOT be a long delay.
 
Playa ... Dark Winds is also great with the amount of material they can draw upon. Season 3 just started last weekend ... I hope the show sticks around for several more years.



Dark Winds is an American psychological thriller television series created by Graham Roland. Based on the Leaphorn & Chee novel series by Tony Hillerman, it stars Zahn McClarnon and Kiowa Gordon as the aforementioned two characters, leading a mostly Native American cast. Executive producers include Roland, McClarnon, George R. R. Martin and Robert Redford.[1]

It premiered on AMC and AMC+ on June 12, 2022, with the first season consisting of six episodes.[2] After its premiere, the series was renewed for a six-episode second season, which premiered on July 30, 2023.[3] In September 2023, the series was renewed for a third season that is set to premiere on March 9, 2025.[4][5] In February 2025, ahead of the third season premiere, the series was renewed for a fourth season.[6] The series received very positive reviews, with particular praise for McClarnon's performance.



Joe Leaphorn and Jim Chee books​

The first three books feature Joe Leaphorn only (and only as a supporting secondary character in the first novel.) The next three books feature Jim Chee only. Leaphorn and Chee begin working together in the seventh novel, Skinwalkers.


  1. The Blessing Way (1970); ISBN 0-06-011896-2
  2. Dance Hall of the Dead (1973); ISBN 0-06-011898-9
  3. Listening Woman (1978); ISBN 0-06-011901-2
  4. People of Darkness (1980); ISBN 0-06-011907-1
  5. The Dark Wind (1982); ISBN 0-06-014936-1
  6. The Ghostway (1984); ISBN 0-06-015396-2
  7. Skinwalkers (1986); ISBN 0-06-015695-3
  8. A Thief of Time (1988); ISBN 0-06-015938-3
  9. Talking God (1989); ISBN 0-06-016118-3
  10. Coyote Waits (1990); ISBN 0-06-016370-4
  11. Sacred Clowns (1993); ISBN 0-06-016767-X
  12. The Fallen Man (1996); ISBN 0-06-017773-X
  13. The First Eagle (1998); ISBN 0-06-017581-8
  14. Hunting Badger (1999); ISBN 0-06-019289-5
  15. The Wailing Wind (2002); ISBN 0-06-019444-8
  16. The Sinister Pig (2003); ISBN 0-06-019443-X
  17. Skeleton Man (2004); ISBN 0-06-056344-3
  18. The Shape Shifter (2006); ISBN 978-0-06-056345-5
 
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This season's writing seems too cartoonish for my taste.

Hitmen who yell "CHARLIE!" from 50 feet away before they start shooting.
Every single line out of her mouth being a Colombo•esque attempt at wit. (Always a pseudo proverb or forced quip)
Ridiculous AI pics in alligators' eyes.
Quadruplets who don't know there's a 5th sister, blah, blah, blah.
Much more, but I'll stop there.

I LOVE this show and know it aint meant to be taken seriously. But season 1's writing was much better, while most of the themes in season 2 have jumped the shark in my opinion.
 
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