Trump supporters react to family separations
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Saw that yesterday I couldn't even finish watching.
What bothered me most was the genuine stupidity which was evident that makes it easy for them to be sheep and justify this shit.
What bothered me most was the genuine stupidity which was evident that makes it easy for them to be sheep and justify this shit.
MAGA
Exactly
Apply that same shit to the Europeans who overstay their visas. Apply that shit to the Asians and Indians in the Tech fields.
I hate these cracKKKa ass honkies that blindly
follows and agrees with ANYTHING trump does.
I hope these CACs all wind up victims of
some of trumps fucked up polices.
follows and agrees with ANYTHING trump does.
I hope these CACs all wind up victims of
some of trumps fucked up polices.
I hate these cracKKKa ass honkies that blindly
follows and agrees with ANYTHING trump does.
I hope these CACs all wind up victims of
some of trumps fucked up polices.
They will but they'll literally find a way to blame Obama.
I remember having a discussion with an older white dude at my old job about recent Presidents and literally anything negative which occurred during a Republican presidency was somehow the fault of his Democratic predecessor (anything wrong during Reagan's term were Carter's fault, anything during George W's term was blamed on Clinton.)
It worked in reverse for positives during a Democratic presidency and anything positive that happened during their administration was the result of shit the Republican presidents started during their terms which kicked in when they left office (even if it happened years after.)
That’s something I’ve been noticing about blacks. You all want these Hispanics to wake up to white supremacy and hopefully y’all can have that black brown alliance you niggaz been desperately wanting for so long.
No, they need to stop the hypocrisy of kissing your oppressors ass.
Let me help you out. Crossing the border is illegal, but in most cases it is a misdemeanor. What they were doing when a family crossed illegally was checking to make sure they weren't El Diablo or something terrible like that, processing them (the whole group, who could stay together until the process was over), and then sending them (the whole family) back across the border.
What they have now is zero tolerance. Which means as soon as they catch you, even if you've done nothing else wrong, even if you might be trying to request asylum, they lock you up and drag your kids off somewhere. You'll probably get to see or visit them. Probably.
This is like if some politician was sick of all of the jaywalking, so he created a zero tolerance policy that arrested every jaywalker and took their kids away from them. It's bullshit and grandstanding and using a fear tactic as a deterrent (side note: it also isn't working).
So you have a policy that isn't reducing the number of people that are crossing the border, that's creating logistics issues with storing kids (because you didn't plan or set up an infrastructure for your "brilliant idea" in advance), and is creating a terrible optic of kids being stored in warehouses. We can only hope that they actually did enough proper documentation to return damn toddlers too young to speak to their proper family when this is all over.
Infractions generally are treated as summonses
Can you provide an example of a Misd/Felony crime in which you are arrested with family and family is kept in tact.
My only point is were discussing having a separate policy for ILLEGAL- immigration-CRIME, while folks i know are still being gun down in the streets-without committing a crime.
(family member killed unarmed 22 years old Colombia SC-police)
So for me , if we going to discus optics. Lets discuss Citizens.
In theory-if the process is improved-communication,planning etc perhaps the optics will be also....
That's cool. I'm not saying ignore other problems just to full focus on this one.
Things are bad all around, and there's plenty of stuff that should get more attention and doesn't. But that doesn't mean that this isn't bad, too. That's all I'm saying.
"Crossing the border is illegal, but in most cases it is a misdemeanor."
Is this a Federal Law you are speaking of?
To my understanding non-domicile and non-permitted persons entering the US border is a felony.
This lost of their kids is part of the legal process for violation of the US law.
Peace BROTHER,
I co-sign everything you say.
I gotta start looking out for your post.
Keep up the good work.
No word on the thousands of Illegal Irish hiding in BostonI hate these cracKKKa ass honkies that blindly
follows and agrees with ANYTHING trump does.
I hope these CACs all wind up victims of
some of trumps fucked up polices.
Hadn't heard much about all the folks coming through by ways other than the physical border, either.
What was wrong with how we've been handling it up until this shift to "zero tolerance"? The reality is that the vast majority are first time offenders (misdeamenor in this case) and up until now the process has been to treat those with families (read young children) with a little more humanity than the current administration has opted for, especially in light of the fact that many are ultimately seeking asylum.
The truth is that this policy isn't being roundly criticized from all corners for no reason. It's imhumane, small minded and reflects the worst instincts of many Americans.
Anytime your opinion aligns with the long-standing agendas of white supremacists it's worth reevaluating.
That dude is a cac troll, don't mind him...
They love the fact that people wake up everyday hating their president. They want everyone not racist, feel like racists felt under the 8 years with Obama. They don't care what he fucks up, who he pisses off, or even what he costs the country long term. They like having a hateful white man at the helm that hates "others" as much as they do. They will turn out just as much, if not more so in 2020 too. So be ready.
again I implore you to provide of an example in which you can commit a crime with your children/spouse/partner and expect the same process.
regardless if your a first time,second , third ,fourth ,fifth ,sixth , etc offender,
My stance/opinion/view is simple I'm against Illegal immigration....a process exists for immigration and perhaps a conversation can be explored on how to expand/change that process.
No emotions just facts.
the conversation is about how to humanly house NON CITIZEN CRIMINALS, while hundreds of CITIZENS CRIMINALS are housed in subhuman conditions, citizens are shot without crime or trial, citizens are disproportionately charged, families broken up and my view is misaligned?hmmm, nah Not gonna be able to see it.
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have you heard of desk appearance tickets - in NYC they are given out for misdemeanors and class e felonies
in your example... one individual is charged and brought to the station, fingerprinted, mug shot and has to await the results of the state to determine if they can be released, or denied DAT and brought to central for arraignment , yet thats for 1 PERSON, if each family member is charged with a misd/felony, you can be certain ACS will be involved and that DAT egggghhhh..
so yes I've heard of DAT...but not eligible for them...nor ... RoR...but not about me..
the question....Specific Example where you can commit a crime and by charged with a Misd/Felony with your family members and not be separated....
disorderly conduct,
violation of noise ordinances, destruction of property, trespassing, I can find more
any way you are wrong- what you described is not a desk appearance -thats booking- in NYC all booking is done at each borough's central booking never at precincts
in any case -officers in NY State issue an appearance ticket for misdemeanors like solicitation, driving w/o a licence (lapse not suspension) or various traffic infractions -on the spot w/o arrest - for you to appear in court at a future date
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copy...equating a noise ordinances to a FEDERAL MISDEMEANOR
equating ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT rights to IMMIGRANT rights
equating NON CITIZEN rights to CITIZEN rights
to receive a Desk Appearance Ticket you have to be ARRESTED...what are you talking about
not a summons, a DAT.
Besides NY State, how many other jurisdictions follow in the issuance of DAT (just a side note) for Misd/Felony charges...
Again if your arrested with your child, what happens to your child? are you not separated?
Go get a public intoxication charge while in custody of your minor child, and find out if you will be separated or not...
or go shoplifting while with your child and get arrested and charged, find out if you will be separated or not...
Reality ...
how many family facilities does NYS have (for individuals charged with a crime)?
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DEPORT THEM TO!
IF YOU ARE NOT LEGALLY IN THIS COUNTRY YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE HERE AT ALL!!!
FUCK THEM, GET THEM OUT!
pure ignorance...copy...equating a noise ordinances to a FEDERAL MISDEMEANOR
equating ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT rights to IMMIGRANT rights
equating NON CITIZEN rights to CITIZEN rights
to receive a Desk Appearance Ticket you have to be ARRESTED...what are you talking about
not a summons, a DAT.
Besides NY State, how many other jurisdictions follow in the issuance of DAT (just a side note) for Misd/Felony charges...
a misdemeanor holds relative same weight no matter the jurisdiction
and the bill of rights applies to any that set foot on US soil
(Guantanamo Bay)
a DAT can be given after any form of being detained by an officer
NYS is part of the US and its laws subserve the US Constitution- so your question about other states is moot
anyway - real simple - for decades families were not being separated by the federal gov't in similar situations... that should be enough of a precedent for you
Really? Tradition..
using that theory Guess Trump is right and the NFL should stand for the anthem
I'm out dog...it is what is
BROTHER,
"and the bill of rights applies to any that set foot on US soil"
I think you are wrong on that bill of rights response.
non-domiled and non-permitted entry into the US is people are not covered under the bill of rights.
"for decades families were not being separated by the federal gov't in similar situations
that should be enough of a precedent for you"
There is probably law on the books that all these administration have not followed. Maybe trump is just following the letter of the previously unenforced immigration laws.
at least you are consistent in your ignorance
precedent = legal tradition
also the NFL tradition for decades was to display the flag and play the national anthem before teams took to the field
that only changed after 2002 when the Military paid the NFL to have players take the field before the anthem