tobe's value to the fakers: a retrospective

[cranrab]

people are always incorrectly commenting about the duo of shaquille o'neal and tobe, usually vastly overstating tobe's role and contribution to the tandem.

but that's nothing more than a MYTH.

here are the FACTS.

during the seasons in which shaquille o'neal and tobe played together as fakers STARTERS (1999-2004), the facts clearly show that shaquille o'neal was by far the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER on the fakers.

1999
tobe missed 0 games.
shaq missed 1 game. fakers record w/o shaq 0-1

2000
tobe missed 16 games. fakers record w/o tobe 12-4 (.750)
shaq missed 3 games. fakers record w/o shaq 1-2 (.333)

2001
tobe missed 14 games. fakers record w/o tobe 11-3 (.785)
shaq missed 8 games. fakers record w/o shaq 5-3 (.625)

2002
tobe missed 2 games. fakers record w/o tobe 2-0 (1.00)
shaq missed 15 games. fakers record w/o shaq 7-8 (.466)

2003
tobe missed 0 games.
shaq missed 15 games. fakers record w/o shaq 5-10 (.333)

2004
tobe missed 17 games. fakers record w/o tobe 8-9 (.470)
shaq missed 15 games. fakers record w/o shaq 7-8 (.466)

fakers record overall w/o tobe: 33-16 (.673, a well seeded playoff team)
fakers record overall w/o shaq: 25-32 (.438, a team sitting at home in may)

 

[REMINGTON_BLACK]

get a damn life

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe's value to the fakers: a footnote

people unprepared to dicuss FACT often accuse me of presenting only part of the story in order to better my position.

perhaps now those paranoid individuals are already asking aloud, "why didn't cranrab include 1997 and 1998 fakers seasons?" no doubt they have formulated some bizarre and peculiar conspiracy as to why those 2 seasons did not appear.

the answer is simple: tobe was not a starter yet, and it wouldn't make sense to compare a sapling to the only TRUE fakers MVP.

but they wouldn't believe my RATIONAL explanation, i'm sure, so here is the data from those 2 seasons, even though tobe wasn't a starter and shaquille o'neal was.

1997
tobe missed 11 games. fakers record w/o tobe 8-3 (.727)
shaq missed 31 games. fakers record w/o shaq 18-13 (.580)

1998
tobe missed 3 games. fakers record w/o tobe 3-0 (1.00)
shaq missed 22 games. fakers record w/o shaq 15-7 (.681)

so there you have it. in EVERY season, the fakers were a better team without tobe than they were without shaquille o'neal.

in fact, from 1997-2004 (the shaquille o'neal era) the fakers' record w/o tobe is 44-19 (.698)

 

[cranrab]

get a damn life

but yet you stopped in.

and of course, to NOT contribute to the thread with anything resembling BASKETBALL knowledge.

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe's value to the fakers: what else does the data show?

before the end of the shaquille o'neal fakers era ended, tobe had these words to say in an interview with ESPN:

"There's more to life than whose team this is. But, this is his team, so it's time for him to act like it. That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure or blaming staff members for not over-dramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning."

the media regurgitated this quote, and the lemming-like fakers fans swallowed it whole, as if it were gospel.

of course, fakers fans didn't bother to recall the TRUTH, which is that during the fakers championship seasons, tobe sat out 32 games. shaq only sat out 26 games. so who REALLY was the one who was tanking it?

if you want to expand the range beyond the championship seasons, how about a comparison between shaquille o'neal and tobe WHILE THEY BOTH WERE STARTERS?

tobe missed 49 games.
shaq missed 57 games.

WOW. shaq missed a total of 8 more games than tobe did over a 6 season span. 1.33 games fewer missed games per season entitles tobe to hurl accusations of sand bagging toward shaquille o'neal? laughable.

yet the fakers fan sheep soaked it up like a sponge.

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe's value to the fakers: the flip side

some may be questioning "what does it prove if cranrab shows how the fakers did WITHOUT each player?" or "why is cranrab hiding what the fakers did WITH each player?"

very well, let's nip that in the bud right now.

1997
fakers with tobe 48-23 (.676) BELOW season average of .682
fakers with shaq 38-13 (.745) ABOVE season average of .682

1998
fakers with tobe 58-21 (.734) BELOW season average of .743
fakers with shaq 46-14 (.766) ABOVE season average of .743

1999
fakers with tobe 31-19 (.620) MET season average of .620
fakers with shaq 31-18 (.632) ABOVE season average of .620

2000
fakers with tobe 55-11 (.833) ABOVE season average of .817
fakers with shaq 66-13 (.835) ABOVE season average of .817

2001
fakers with tobe 45-23 (.661) BELOW season average of .682
fakers with shaq 51-23 (.689) ABOVE season average of .689

2002
fakers with tobe 56-24 (.700) BELOW season average of .707
fakers with shaq 51-16 (.761) ABOVE season average of .707

2003
fakers with tobe 50-32 (.609) MET season average of .609
fakers with shaq 45-22 (.671) ABOVE season average of .609

2004
fakers with tobe 48-17 (.738) ABOVE season average of .682
fakers with shaq 49-18 (.731) ABOVE season average of .682

as bourne out by the FACTS, shaquille o'neal out-performed tobe in ALL BUT ONE season: 2004.

furthermore, the fakers with tobe were only able to perform above the season average 2 times in 8 seasons. in stark contrast, the fakers with shaquille o'neal performed above the season average in EVERY season.

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe's value to the fakers: the greatest MYTH in the game

every time i hear some foolish person suggest that tobe is "the greatest player in the game today", i can't help but smile and be reminded of how the media got tricked into referring to michael jackson as "the king of pop". michael jackson's PR machine gave him the label, and crossed their fingers in hope that it would stick. it did.

RATIONAL, THINKING people would have to ask themselves then, "exactly WHEN did tobe become the greatest player in the game today"

was it 1999, the year tobe became a starter?

couldn't be. because in 1999, a year in which tobe STARTED every game, the fakers finished the regular season with a winning percentage of only .620. the THEN lowest output of any fakers team during the shaquille o'neal era. how could that happen if "the greatest player in the game" PLAYED EVERY GAME?

was it 2003, the year tobe fans thought he would emerge from the hulking shadow of shaquille o'neal, who was had just received his THIRD consecutive NBA finals MVP trophy?

couldn't be. because in 2003, a year in which tobe STARTED every game, the fakers finished the regular season with a winning percentage of only .609. the NEW lowest output of any fakers team during the shaquille o'neal era. how could that happen if "the greatest player in the game" PLAYED EVERY GAME? whoa. deja vu.

there's that inverse correlation thing again. the MORE games tobe started, the FEWER games the fakers won. FACT.

 

[MR.PERFECT]

Dude really, I can understand you hate Kobe but Shaq was dominating the sport then so any team he may have been on would've suffered especially with the bench they had at the time. Keep in mind Shaq didn't get a ring until Kobe game matured, he was the MVP of those Laker teams but not without Kobe.

 

[cranrab]

Dude really, I can understand you hate Kobe

"dude", stop right there.

i just broke it down for you in plain english, in black and white. i provided accurate, truthful and unedited data SPANNING TOBE'S ENTIRE CAREER. i wasn't selective, i didn't omit shit, and unlike fakers fans, i didn't make up shit either.

and you conclude from FACT and HISTORY that i "hate [t]obe"?

4 words: DON'T HATE THE MESSENGER

Keep in mind Shaq didn't get a ring until Kobe game matured, he was the MVP of those Laker teams but not without Kobe.

in FACT, it had very little to do with tobe, mature or immature.

in FACT, the shaquille o'neal era fakers championships were products of:

1) shaquille o'neal being healthy - he was NOT healthy during coach harris' tenure

2) coach jackson

IN THAT ORDER. PERIOD.

 

[bigchris3000]

get a damn life

co-sign. I mean did he fuck your mom or something?? Damn near everything you ever post is kobe hate. I'm not saying I'm a kobe apologist by any means, but damn buddy boy.

 

[cranrab]

did he fuck your mom or something

ah, the ad hominem. the ever-popular reply of the uneducated mind.

why is it you tendercrisp cinderfellas always get your panties in a twist when someone presents INCONTROVERTIBLE EVIDENCE that is unflattering to your boy?

don't worry, in spite of the truth, it's OK for tobe to still be your hero. just try not to get so hysterical. emotional profanity is no substitute for FACT or KNOWLEDGE.

 

[bigchris3000]

The point really is why so much hate on one single person? A ballplayer at that. I could possibly understand if you lost some money on him or if you knew him and he did some messed up stuff to you in the past or something of that nature. But jesus man there's gotta be a billion better things to talk about than Kobe 24-7. Again, I'm not a Kobe fan, but it just seems almost ridiculous for a person to comment only about one player constantly.

 

[cranrab]

The point really is why so much hate on one single person?

then my counter point is why are you so sensitive about this subject?

more specifically, why do you deem the presentation of TRUTHFUL, ACCURATE, HISTORICAL FACT as "hate"?

I'm not a Kobe fan, but it just seems almost ridiculous for a person to comment only about one player constantly.

AGREED.

so tell me, why are you absent with your protests when someone creates a TRULY RIDICULOUS thread that:

a) favorably compares tobe to michael jordan

b) celebrates faux-accomplishments like "almost" triple doubles

c) declares tobe "the greatest player in the game"

d) wrongly asserts that w/o tobe, shaquille o'neal would not have won any championships?

 

[bigchris3000]

Who's sensitive? You're the one with 9784309874 posts about the same person.

 

[cranrab]

Who's sensitive?

quite clearly, YOU. 3 of your 17 total posts are in this thread alone.

and surprise, surprise. NOT ONE OF THEM is BASKETBALL related.

let's see. on the SPORTS board, in a thread LOADED with basketball history, yet not ONE WORD about basketball from you.

were you so ANGERED by the TRUTH that you had to come out of lurker mode just to spew your hate?

now THAT'S sensitive.

 

[xfactor]

All I can do is

The sad part about it is this thread is posted with 100% hard hitting FACT yet sheep are STILL in denial about it.

Im starting to think most Wobe fans on BGOL have some type of sick infatuation with Bryant. This goes beyond more than his overrated play on the basketball court

 

[casavino]

quite clearly, YOU. 3 of your 17 total posts are in this thread alone.

and surprise, surprise. NOT ONE OF THEM is BASKETBALL related.

let's see. on the SPORTS board, in a thread LOADED with basketball history, yet not ONE WORD about basketball from you.

were you so ANGERED by the TRUTH that you had to come out of lurker mode just to spew your hate?

now THAT'S sensitive.

I'm a KOBE fan but i don't think he's the greatest in the game right now his defense is shit eventhough he's been on all-defensive teams (whatever) he is the most exciting player in the game bar none.shaq was the man in LA no doubt but he has really slowed down since he left.he's playing half seasons now like roger clemens..lol....anotha 2 or 3 he's done

 

[cranrab]

I'm a KOBE fan but i don't think he's the greatest in the game right now his defense is shit eventhough he's been on all-defensive teams (whatever) he is the most exciting player in the game bar none.

more power to you. if you're a fan, good. if you find him exciting, great.

i have ZERO problems with fans.

 

[TimRock]

lmfao

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe's value to the fakers: a comparison

"a piece of art is never finished, only abandoned" is how the saying goes. applied to this thread, i anticipated that the criticism of it would go something like this:

"well, i'm sure other players on other teams have done the same thing, not just tobe."

could that be true? or is it just the desperate mutterings of a disillusioned cake boy who's struggling to fight back the tears from the stinging TRUTH?

so who else to compare?

how about allen iverson? same draft year, both improperly cast in their positions, both take large amounts of FGAs, and both have scored a lot of points.

let's take a look:

1997
AI missed 6 games, 76ers went 2-4 (.333)
with AI, 76ers went 20-56 (.263)

1998
AI missed 2 games, 76ers went 0-2 (.000)
with AI, 76ers went 31-49 (.387)

1999
AI missed 2 games, 76ers went 0-2 (.000)
with AI, 76ers went 28-20 (.583)

2000
AI missed 12 games, 76ers went 7-5 (.583)
with AI, 76ers went 42-28 (.600)

2001
AI missed 11 games, 76ers went 6-5 (.545)
with AI, 76ers went 50-21 (.704)

2002
AI missed 22 games, 76ers went 7-15 (.318)
with AI, 76ers went 36-24 (.600)

2003
AI missed 0 games
with AI, 76ers went 48-34 (.585)

2004
AI missed 34 games, 76ers went 14-20 (.411)
with AI, 76ers went 19-29 (.395)

2005
AI missed 7 games, 76ers went 2-5 (.285)
with AI, 76ers went 41-34 (.546)

2006
AI missed 10 games, 76ers went 3-7 (.300)
with AI, 76ers went 35-37 (.486)

CONCLUSIONS

except for 2 of his past 10 seasons (AI's rookie year and 2004), the 76ers played BETTER WITH AI than they played without him. in comparison, from 1997-2004 alone, the fakers played BETTER WITHOUT tobe than they played with him in 4 of those seasons. no contest AI wins.

more importantly, over the course of his 1st 5 seasons with the 76ers, AI improved the win/loss percentage of the 76ers EACH year. tobe's impact on the fakers was a pattern of peaks and valleys, a negative result of his erratic play. no contest, AI wins.

AI missed 106 games, 76ers went 41-65 (.386)
AI played 682 games, 76ers went 350-332 (.513)

 

[SpiritualPorn]

people are always incorrectly commenting about the duo of shaquille o'neal and tobe, usually vastly overstating tobe's role and contribution to the tandem.

but that's nothing more than a MYTH.

here are the FACTS.

during the seasons in which shaquille o'neal and tobe played together as fakers STARTERS (1999-2004), the facts clearly show that shaquille o'neal was by far the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER on the fakers.

1999
tobe missed 0 games.
shaq missed 1 game. fakers record w/o shaq 0-1

2000
tobe missed 16 games. fakers record w/o tobe 12-4 (.750)
shaq missed 3 games. fakers record w/o shaq 1-2 (.333)

2001
tobe missed 14 games. fakers record w/o tobe 11-3 (.785)
shaq missed 8 games. fakers record w/o shaq 5-3 (.625)

2002
tobe missed 2 games. fakers record w/o tobe 2-0 (1.00)
shaq missed 15 games. fakers record w/o shaq 7-8 (.466)

2003
tobe missed 0 games.
shaq missed 15 games. fakers record w/o shaq 5-10 (.333)

2004
tobe missed 17 games. fakers record w/o tobe 8-9 (.470)
shaq missed 15 games. fakers record w/o shaq 7-8 (.466)

fakers record overall w/o tobe: 33-16 (.673, a well seeded playoff team)
fakers record overall w/o shaq: 25-32 (.438, a team sitting at home in may)

I soo love it when you put reality in these fan boys faces!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep up the good work

 

[SpiritualPorn]

Re: tobe's value to the fakers: what else does the data show?

before the end of the shaquille o'neal fakers era ended, tobe had these words to say in an interview with ESPN:

"There's more to life than whose team this is. But, this is his team, so it's time for him to act like it. That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure or blaming staff members for not over-dramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning."

the media regurgitated this quote, and the lemming-like fakers fans swallowed it whole, as if it were gospel.

of course, fakers fans didn't bother to recall the TRUTH, which is that during the fakers championship seasons, tobe sat out 32 games. shaq only sat out 26 games. so who REALLY was the one who was tanking it?

if you want to expand the range beyond the championship seasons, how about a comparison between shaquille o'neal and tobe WHILE THEY BOTH WERE STARTERS?

tobe missed 49 games.
shaq missed 57 games.

WOW. shaq missed a total of 8 more games than tobe did over a 6 season span. 1.33 games fewer missed games per season entitles tobe to hurl accusations of sand bagging toward shaquille o'neal? laughable.

yet the fakers fan sheep soaked it up like a sponge.

In addition...Shaq is 310 - 340lbs......and jumps like a SF

Shaq would not have been as effective for this long if he was trying to kill himself

This Tobe is a guard....slash when you feel like and hang around the three point line
Shaq is in the MIDDLE OF THE PAINT getting triple teamed and beat up like a running back

Kobe does not play the tough minutes that Shaq does........

That was some real young boy shit

I guess he realizes that now......up three game to one and blows it and he wants to talk about "leadership"????.................

He has even resorted to using Shaq's term "Big Brother"

Kobe is a fraud

 

[SpiritualPorn]

The point really is why so much hate on one single person? A ballplayer at that. I could possibly understand if you lost some money on him or if you knew him and he did some messed up stuff to you in the past or something of that nature. But jesus man there's gotta be a billion better things to talk about than Kobe 24-7. Again, I'm not a Kobe fan, but it just seems almost ridiculous for a person to comment only about one player constantly.

Not hate for Kobe...

It is more hate for fake man made stars that havent proven anything


Here's more proof of the Kobe spin machine......................

Fake news by non educated writers selling a product.

[FRAME]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16571625/from/RS.2/[/FRAME]

 

[SpiritualPorn]

All I can do is

The sad part about it is this thread is posted with 100% hard hitting FACT yet sheep are STILL in denial about it.

Im starting to think most Wobe fans on BGOL have some type of sick infatuation with Bryant. This goes beyond more than his overrated play on the basketball court

The facts have no place with fanatics

These dumb fucks compare Kobe to Jordan????????????????? TO JORDAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thats all you need to say there

 

[TrojansFan]

The facts have no place with fanatics

These dumb fucks compare Kobe to Jordan????????????????? TO JORDAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thats all you need to say there

Do I think Kobe Bryant is as good as Michael Jordan? No.

But are comparisons between Kobe and Jordan ridiculous? No.
How do I know this? Michael himself! See what he had to say on the topic...

"The kid is real good and I see a lot of myself in him, no doubt about it."
"…. Obviously there will be comparisons from here on out between Kobe and me, just as there were between me and Dr. J when I first came into the league."

If Jordan can sign off on the comparisons, then unless you can bring his credentials to the table, you shouldn't have a problem the comparisons either!

Once again, I repeat that I do not believe Bryant has reached Jordan's level, but the comparisons are justified and if you don't see it. You have the problem not those that make the comparison. Shit, Jordan himself made the comparison!

 

[cranrab]

are comparisons between Kobe and Jordan ridiculous? No.
How do I know this? Michael himself! See what he had to say on the topic.

so you KNOW something because somebody told you.

have you ever tried to see for yourself whether or not the comparison itself is ridiculous or not?

AS AN 82 GAME STARTER, michael jordan improved the bulls' record every season for 7 consecutive seasons.

IN SPITE OF 4 DIFFERENT head coaches in place.

every bulls team michael jordan played on made the playoffs.

can tobe make any of those claims while with the fakers? NO.

NCAA champion?

olympic champion?

starter his rookie season?

rookie of the year?

defensive player of the year?

consecutive MVP?

consecutive finals MVP?

tobe can't SNIFF these.

multiple consecutive NBA champion?

all NBA 1st team 7 consecutive seasons?

all defense 1st team 6 consecutive seasons?

career FG% over 50%?

tobe will NEVER accomplish any of these.

so given all of this (and i've even left out a few), specifically what ISN'T ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS AND UNWARRANTED about comparing tobe to michael jordan? in all seriousness, please.

the comparisons are justified and if you don't see it. You have the problem not those that make the comparison.

i see. it's OK to compare a rain drop to a tsunami.

here's 2 more quotes for you, BTW:

June 2001: "I am my own player and I want to be identified as my own player. There will never be another Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan is the greatest player ever. I can't take (the comparisons) too seriously. That's Michael Jordan. I can't even roll with that."

May 2001: "You know, Kobe does have a sense about the game that's similar to Michael's. And I think he has that will, even though he has a guy on his team -- Shaq -- who is the dominator, which was the luxury Michael never had. Kobe likes to rise to occasions, to big-time situations like Michael did."

 

[cranrab]

TF's reply was so comical i just had to return for a 2nd laugh.

i mean, to begin with, michael jordan played 9 COMPLETE seasons. that makes him a god damn IRON MAN compared to tobe.

i already mentioned the numerous achievements michael jordan has over tobe, so exactly what major category does tobe compare favorably with michael jordan in?

scoring? no.

rebounding? no.

assists? no.

steals? no.

blocked shots? no.

turnovers? no.

personal fouls? no.

field goal percentage? no.

michael jordan came back after TWO retirements, played at age 40, maintained CAREER averages that are SUPERIOR to tobe, and yet you claim such a comparison is NOT ridiculous?

LMMFAO!

 

[cranrab]

footnote. tobe's only claim to fame his entire career has been his alleged ability to score.

michael jordan led the league in scoring 11 times.

7 of those 11 were consecutive seasons.

only michael jordan and wilt chamberlain have topped the 3000 point mark, and michael jordan accomplished that in his THIRD season. tobe was just cracking the starting lineup in his third season.

LMMFAO again! BGOL is a guaranteed laugh every day!

 

[TrojansFan]

cran u r too much!

You said my reply was comical?

I didn't say shit, just quoted Michael Jordan...

so now you think arguably the greatest player to ever play the game doesn't know what he is talking about???




You have outdone yourself! Your hate for Kobe is making you question Jordan!!! Now I know all these posts are just emotion based

 

[cranrab]

i asked you again to support your claim that a comparison between two players is nothing more than RIDICULOUS. i gave you an opportunity to provide examples of the criteria for a reasonable comparison.

could you do it?

of course not.

case closed.

oh wait. i'll help you.

michael jordan and tobe are similar in height.

michael jordan and tobe were both unfaithful to their wives.

now i see your completely rational comparison.

SMH.

 

[TrojansFan]

i asked you again to support your claim that a comparison between two players is nothing more than RIDICULOUS. i gave you an opportunity to provide examples of the criteria for a reasonable comparison.

.

My rationale for a comparison between Kobe and Jordan not being ridiculous???

Simple, Michael Jordan himself believes there is a comparison, since he has more basketball knowledge than me and especially You, I will rely on his judgement!

You really want to tell this board you have more basketball knowledge than Jordan??? You don't really want to say Jordan doesn;t know what he his talking about do you???

How should I listen to cranrab or Michael Jordan?

cranrab or Michael Jordan?

No comparison in my book, when you can bring his credintials to the table, then I will value your opinion, until then you are just an over emotional fan who doesn;t like Kobe Bryant but yet watches every one of his games!

 

[cranrab]

My rationale for a comparison between Kobe and Jordan not being ridiculous???

Simple, Michael Jordan himself believes there is a comparison

RIF

but i'll give you a pass on this one since you are armenian and english is not your native language.

the michael jordan quote you provided merely points out that michael jordan ACKNOWLEDGES that comparisons EXIST, and that people will make comparisons.

NOWHERE in the quote does he validate or give credence to the comparisons.

COMPREHENSION will get you far in this country, young man.

suckers always trying to READ SHIT INTO quotes where nothing actually exists...

EDIT: forgot to thank you for verifying that you had no ACTUAL criteria for a reasonable comparison. a smart concession on your part, as you know full well a michael jordan/tobe comparison leaves you no rational leg to stand on.

 

[TrojansFan]

RIF

but i'll give you a pass on this one since you are armenian and english is not your native language.

the michael jordan quote you provided merely points out that michael jordan ACKNOWLEDGES that comparisons EXIST, and that people will make comparisons.

NOWHERE in the quote does he validate or give credence to the comparisons.

COMPREHENSION will get you far in this country, young man.

suckers always trying to READ SHIT INTO quotes where nothing actually exists...

EDIT: forgot to thank you for verifying that you had no ACTUAL criteria for a reasonable comparison. a smart concession on your part, as you know full well a michael jordan/tobe comparison leaves you no rational leg to stand on.

"The kid is real good and I see a lot of myself in him, no doubt about it." -Michael Jordan

SOUNDS AN AWFUL LOT LIKE HE IS GIVING CREDENCE TO ME...
Maybe you just don't want to accept it

do you need more???

May 2001, on whether he sees similarities between Kobe's game and his: "Oh, yeah. Yes. I'm looking at his post-up game and the way when his jump shot isn't falling he goes to the hole, or does what he needs to do to get himself to the foul line. And I like that he takes the game very, very seriously…. Obviously there will be comparisons from here on out between Kobe and me, just as there were between me and Dr. J when I first came into the league." - Michael Jordan


Dude, you can't win this one. The great one has spoken, like I said you are just an emoptional fan that doesn't like Kobe Bryant and yet watches all of his games. Eventhough you watch Kobe Bryant and talk about him more than Jordan... I am still gonna respect Mike's opinion over yours!

 

[cranrab]

"The kid is real good and I see a lot of myself in him, no doubt about it." -Michael Jordan

SOUNDS AN AWFUL LOT LIKE HE IS GIVING CREDENCE TO ME.

uh huh. i already told you, i don't expect you to understand english. since you so graciously provided the quote (again), kindly point out to me (and any other english speaking reader) where michael jordan provides any ACTUAL POINTS OF COMPARISON.

or was michael jordan simply being benevolent in his role as elder statesman?

or maybe you just want to read something into it that isn't there.

May 2001, on whether he sees similarities between Kobe's game and his: "Oh, yeah. Yes. I'm looking at his post-up game and the way when his jump shot isn't falling he goes to the hole, or does what he needs to do to get himself to the foul line. And I like that he takes the game very, very seriously. Obviously there will be comparisons from here on out between Kobe and me, just as there were between me and Dr. J when I first came into the league." - Michael Jordan

read it again, sir. maybe have a translator read it for you, since apparently you cannot comprehend it by yourself.

I'm looking at his post-up game and the way when his jump shot isn't falling he goes to the hole, or does what he needs to do to get himself to the foul line.

sigh. michael jordan points out a couple things that he has observed in tobe's game. nowhere does michael jordan make a FAVORABLE COMPARISON.

I like that he takes the game very, very seriously

an admiring observation from a classy sportsman. again, NOT a FAVORABLE COMPARISON BY ANY MEANS.

Obviously there will be comparisons from here on out between Kobe and me, just as there were between me and Dr. J when I first came into the league

and again, as i informed you earlier, this is an ACKNOWLEDGEMENT that comparisons will be made. michael jordan is NOT making a comparison, understand?

here are examples for other non-english as a first language readers like yourself:

NOT a comparison: mcdonalds has salty french fries.

IS a comparison: mcdonalds french fries are saltier than burger king french fries.

NOT a comparison: pepsi cola tastes nice on a hot day.

IS a comparison: coca cola has more carbonation than pepsi.

NOT a comparison: people have and always will compare AVIS to HERTZ.

IS a comparison: AVIS gives more free mileage than HERTZ.

starting to understand the difference?

who'd think that remedial english and logic assistance would be necessary on BGOL?

 

[TrojansFan]

uh huh. i already told you, i don't expect you to understand english. since you so graciously provided the quote (again), kindly point out to me (and any other english speaking reader) where michael jordan provides any ACTUAL POINTS OF COMPARISON.

or was michael jordan simply being benevolent in his role as elder statesman?

or maybe you just want to read something into it that isn't there.



read it again, sir. maybe have a translator read it for you, since apparently you cannot comprehend it by yourself.

I'm looking at his post-up game and the way when his jump shot isn't falling he goes to the hole, or does what he needs to do to get himself to the foul line.

sigh. michael jordan points out a couple things that he has observed in tobe's game. nowhere does michael jordan make a FAVORABLE COMPARISON.

I like that he takes the game very, very seriously

an admiring observation from a classy sportsman. again, NOT a FAVORABLE COMPARISON BY ANY MEANS.

Obviously there will be comparisons from here on out between Kobe and me, just as there were between me and Dr. J when I first came into the league

and again, as i informed you earlier, this is an ACKNOWLEDGEMENT that comparisons will be made. michael jordan is NOT making a comparison, understand?

here are examples for other non-english as a first language readers like yourself:

NOT a comparison: mcdonalds has salty french fries.

IS a comparison: mcdonalds french fries are saltier than burger king french fries.

NOT a comparison: pepsi cola tastes nice on a hot day.

IS a comparison: coca cola has more carbonation than pepsi.

NOT a comparison: people have and always will compare AVIS to HERTZ.

IS a comparison: AVIS gives more free mileage than HERTZ.

starting to understand the difference?

who'd think that remedial english and logic assistance would be necessary on BGOL?

"The kid is real good and I see a lot of myself in him, no doubt about it." -Michael Jordan