This is how much restaurants really make when you order from Grubhub or Uber Eats

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After the coronavirus pandemic shuttered dining rooms across the country, restaurant owners quickly began relying on delivery and pick-up orders as their primary sources of income. For many dining establishments that don't have a fleet of drivers, food delivery apps help introduce small businesses to a wider range of customers.
But partnering with third-party apps can also be incredibly costly. Long before the pandemic, some restaurateurs had been trying to shed a light on how expensive convenience can be when it comes to getting food delivered in the modern era. Now that these platforms have become the only way certain restaurants can continue operating, that harsh reality has brought new attention to the issue.
In late April, Chicago Pizza Boss owner Giuseppe Badalamenti shared a photo of a March statement from Grubhub, one of the country's biggest food delivery apps. The now-viral post revealed that one of Badalamenti's restaurant clients brought in $1,042.63 worth of orders during the month — but only pocketed $376.54 after all of Grubhub's fees were deducted.

“Stop believing you are supporting your community by ordering from a 3rd party delivery company,” Badalamenti wrote in the post.

"I shared the post out of outrage for the client. There has been a silent rumbling for at least three years and restaurants have been suffering in silence," Badalamenti told TODAY Food about his decision to post the invoice. He added that he generally advises clients who want higher margins not to use third-party platforms.
But do most apps really rake in nearly 65% of restaurants' profits?
A representative for Grubhub broke down the invoice for TODAY and said that while most of its restaurant partners end paying between 15-25% in fees, this particular business opted to have $231 deducted from its profits to apply towards promotions, which are optional sales coupons a restaurant may offer customers. This restaurant was also charged a 10% delivery fee (that's also optional), plus opted for a higher-end marketing package at 20%. Still, even before the promotion fee was deducted, this restaurant's take home pay would have been $607.54, about 57% of the original orders.

Grubhub confirmed that all of its partner restaurants are subject to the following fees: a processing/fraud protection fee (4%); a marketing fee (the average rate is 15%, but business owners can opt to pay up to 20%) and an optional delivery service, a 10% fee.
“Restaurant owners select the services they want and only pay a commission to Grubhub when we help generate sales," representative said. "Grubhub is happy to work with restaurant partners to help them manage costs and grow their business."
Badalamenti's post still raised a lot of eyebrows and several important questions: Are delivery services a practical option for struggling restaurants during these unprecedented times? And should they be allowed to operate, largely unregulated, when restaurants have no other option to stay in business?

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Delivery services in the age of coronavirus

Consumers are increasingly depending on delivery services during the coronavirus pandemic. (Getty Images)
Over the past several weeks, many restaurants struggling to make ends meet have been relying on delivery services like Grubhub, Uber Eats, Doordash and Postmates to serve diners who can no longer patronize their eateries in person.
"We’ve seen nearly 10 times the amount of merchants sign up to be part of Postmates (since March). That’s restaurants, retail stores, even bookstores wanting to deliver goods to their customers," a Postmates representative told TODAY.
But are these seemingly convenient services really worth the investment? It's hard to say since each business is different, but restaurants always should review an app's service fees before making any decisions.
Related: Here's what delivery services are doing to keep drivers and customers safe during the coronavirus pandemic.
Here is a breakdown of some of the most common fees associated with third party apps. While all fees aren't publicly disclosed, CNBC recently reported that third-party service's commission fees can be as high as 30 percent.

Uber Eats
  • Restaurants partnering with Uber Eats typically pay a marketplace fee between 15-30%, depending on the services they select. This fee supports operational costs such as payment processing, customer support, credit card and marketing services, as well as employee onboarding and wages.
  • Restaurants that use their own delivery team for Uber Eats orders pay a 15% marketplace fee. Those that use Uber's delivery service pay a fee that's capped at 30%.
Postmates
  • The minimum commission fee a restaurant pays when working with Postmates depends on which services the restaurant selects. Those fees are also privately negotiated between the restaurant, or consumer goods business, and Postmates. A Postmates spokesperson declined to share a percentage range with TODAY, but revealed that marketing and delivery services are included in the commission fee.
  • According to the Postmates' website, there are no upfront costs for restaurants partnering with the service and "partners only pay Postmates a commission on the pre-tax subtotal of goods sold via the Postmates Platform."
Doordash
  • According to a DoorDash representative, who declined to share specific rates with TODAY, the company's commission structure is personalized for each restaurant and those rates depend on what merchant services each restaurant selects. Restaurants that use DoorDash delivery services pay a percentage of the order subtotal, but delivery services are optional.
  • Like similar services, DoorDash commission fees cover courier wages, background checks, insurance and credit card processing fees.

Are delivery services supporting restaurants during coronavirus?
As the old adage says, "You have to spend money to make money." However, as restaurants across the country continue to struggle during the coronavirus pandemic, the fees associated with these services are coming into focus and, in may cases, facing mounting criticism.
Recognizing that restaurants have become dependent on delivery services during the pandemic, some cities and states are looking to place a cap on how much commission third-party apps may collect.
On Thursday, Steven Folop, the mayor of Jersey City signed an executive order capping all commissions on third-party delivery apps to 10%. In Washington, D.C., San Francisco and Seattle, similar orders have passed, capping commission collections at 15%. Last month, Los Angeles City Councilman Mitch O’Farrell proposed a motion that would require delivery apps to charge "no more than 15% of the purchase price per order in fees during the COVID-19 pandemic," according to the Los Angeles Times.
The state of New York and cities like Boston and Chicago are also considering implementing similar guidelines, but no nationwide orders have been introduced.
Related: Experts recommend taking extra precautions and practicing good hygiene when handling food for cooking.
Delivery services across the pond are also catching criticism for high fees. In the United Kingdom, restaurant owners are requesting that Deliveroo lower its commission (it typically charges 35%, plus tax), according to CNBC. Forbes also recently reported that Uber Eats, Grubhub, DoorDash and Postmates are facing a class-action lawsuit over their fees.
Still, some third-party services have developed relief programs for their partner restaurants in recent weeks.
"DoorDash knows that doing our part during this unprecedented time, when delivery is an essential service, is vital, which is why last month we announced that we are reducing commission fees for eligible local restaurant partners by 50% on both DoorDash and Caviar," a DoorDash spokesperson told TODAY, adding that the relief program will benefit more than 150,000 restaurants throughout the U.S., Canada and Australia through the end of May.
Grubhub temporarily deferred the collection of its marketing commissions to assist restaurants in March, but the company is no longer allowing restaurants to defer paying their fees.
In mid-March, Uber Eats temporarily started waiving marketplace commission fees for all pickup orders. The company says it will continue to do so through June.
A Postmates representative said the company has explored various ways to help its partners. "At the beginning of this crisis, we introduced a pilot program where we temporarily waived commission fees for businesses in the San Francisco Bay Area, Los Angeles, Sacramento and Detroit," the rep said. "We've also monetarily matched merchants on promotions to help bolster demand."


 
If you have a car and are able to drive to the restaurant to pick up your own food, it is crazy to me to use one of these services!

The amount you are charged to use the service, then having to tip, plus you don't know how clean the driver's car is and you don't know if they will go through your damn food.

I got Chinese the other day and there were Door Dash drivers EVERYWHERE waiting to take orders to customers.
 
I've never been about getting anything delivered except my packages. I wouldn't trust mafakas with my food.

I've only used those services when on vacation. But in 2020 I've moved away from all restaurant food. Fast food, sit down spot or takeout. I just use Walmart delivery and have groceries brought to me and do my own cooking...only way to know it's done right.
 
If you have a car and are able to drive to the restaurant to pick up your own food, it is crazy to me to use one of these services!

The amount you are charged to use the service, then having to tip, plus you don't know how clean the driver's car is and you don't know if they will go through your damn food.

I got Chinese the other day and there were Door Dash drivers EVERYWHERE waiting to take orders to customers.

Agreed, that wanted Chipotle the other day and I didn’t want to drive and get out. Mind you, it’s probably a five minute drive and I’d have to walk another couple minutes to get there.

After the meal and all the fees, I’d pay twice as much for the food.

So I just drove because delivery isn’t worth it.
 
If you have a car and are able to drive to the restaurant to pick up your own food, it is crazy to me to use one of these services!

The amount you are charged to use the service, then having to tip, plus you don't know how clean the driver's car is and you don't know if they will go through your damn food.

I got Chinese the other day and there were Door Dash drivers EVERYWHERE waiting to take orders to customers.

I can't speak for everywhere else, but in San Francisco ubereats and services like it are the reason people don't have cars in the first place.
 
Im friends with a restaurant owner that refuses to use food delivery services because he says they make his brand look bad. Show up with no hot bags, unkempt, raggedy cars, multiple orders with no priority on when his customers got their food; he used them for a month and said “fuck this, Ill sink or swim without them.” Fortunately he has a loyal clientele who has been picking up their food since the pandemic started. Those fees and the delivery cut is robbery.
 
Im friends with a restaurant owner that refuses to use food delivery services because he says they make his brand look bad. Show up with no hot bags, unkempt, raggedy cars, multiple orders with no priority on when his customers got their food; he used them for a month and said “fuck this, Ill sink or swim without them.” Fortunately he has a loyal clientele who has been picking up their food since the pandemic started. Those fees and the delivery cut is robbery.

who cares what the car looks like? Do you really need your pizza delivered in a Benz? also, a spotless interior doesn't matter if the driver picked his nose at a red light. Either way, how would you know?

As for Multiple orders? Would you rather have a delivery driver who makes a 1 mile detour before dropping off your food, or have the food sit at the restaurant for an extra 10-15 minutes while he comes back to get it?

Delivery apps always prioritize the closest order first. Some apps like Uber eats won't even give you the second address until you drop the first order off.

Unkempt? nobody wears a suit and tie to a dirty job and delivering food is inherently filthy. You don't want to know what my hands look like at the end of a shift.

I feel you want a hot bags though. There's a growing list of San Francisco restaurants that won't even let you take the order unless you have one.
 
who cares what the car looks like? Do you really need your pizza delivered in a Benz? also, a spotless interior doesn't matter if the driver picked his nose at a red light. Either way, how would you know?

As for Multiple orders? Would you rather have a delivery driver who makes a 1 mile detour before dropping off your food, or have the food sit at the restaurant for an extra 10-15 minutes while he comes back to get it?

Delivery apps always prioritize the closest order first. Some apps like Uber eats won't even give you the second address until you drop the first order off.

Unkempt? nobody wears a suit and tie to a dirty job and delivering food is inherently filthy. You don't want to know what my hands look like at the end of a shift.

I feel you want a hot bags though. There's a growing list of San Francisco restaurants that won't even let you take the order unless you have one.

Sounds like you’re a delivery driver that’s always late with multiple orders driving a shitty car trying to deliver food with your shirt off and a fistful of their fries talking about “I didn’t eat it”. :confused:
 
Sounds like you’re a delivery driver that’s always late with multiple orders driving a shitty car trying to deliver food with your shirt off and a fistful of their fries talking about “I didn’t eat it”. :confused:

I wouldn't have lasted 5 hours doing my job that way. Let alone five years and over 3,000 deliveries.

When I'm late it's usually because the restaurant was late getting the order out or I'm delivering to the 36th floor of the Hyatt. Despite this I have an 86% on-time delivery rating.

I also deliver on a bike, not a car. if you've been to downtown SF you would immediately understand why.

Finally, I never EVER eat people's food! Not trying to lose a $30 an hour job over some damn french fries. Especially when I don't always have the time or resources to clean my hands.

Usually dressed in a t-shirt, sneakers, old Navy jeans and hoodie. It may not be a polo with a tie, slacks and church shoes, but after 20 plus miles riding up and down hills it's going to get grimy and sweaty all the same.
 
who cares what the car looks like? Do you really need your pizza delivered in a Benz? also, a spotless interior doesn't matter if the driver picked his nose at a red light. Either way, how would you know?

As for Multiple orders? Would you rather have a delivery driver who makes a 1 mile detour before dropping off your food, or have the food sit at the restaurant for an extra 10-15 minutes while he comes back to get it?

Delivery apps always prioritize the closest order first. Some apps like Uber eats won't even give you the second address until you drop the first order off.

Unkempt? nobody wears a suit and tie to a dirty job and delivering food is inherently filthy. You don't want to know what my hands look like at the end of a shift.

I feel you want a hot bags though. There's a growing list of San Francisco restaurants that won't even let you take the order unless you have one.

I normally rock with you Blueyes but you’re super in your feelings on this. And there‘s a big difference between getting delivery from your local pizza or burger joint and food from a well-regarded sit down restaurant where the average meal is $20-30 per person and the experience is part of that restaurants brand. My friend runs an upscale ethic spot. So yeah, I get why he, whose food and experience has already been compromised, wants a minimum level of reasonable presentation if someone is delivering his food.

To that end; don’t you live in San Fran and deliver by bike? If so, completely different set of circumstances than what’s expected from the vehicle delivery dude.

If delivering food is filthy that’s another reason why I don’t order deliver. If your hands are that dirty then whatever places you deliver for have shit packaging.
 
If you have a car and are able to drive to the restaurant to pick up your own food, it is crazy to me to use one of these services!

The amount you are charged to use the service, then having to tip, plus you don't know how clean the driver's car is and you don't know if they will go through your damn food.

I got Chinese the other day and there were Door Dash drivers EVERYWHERE waiting to take orders to customers.
Still supporting nasty racist China men huh ...smh. Negroes will never learn
 
^^^^

I'm shocked this all wasn't revealed sooner

And it seems in reality all these services may have the same parent company.

Wow

Think of it this way. Suppose you own a restaurant. One day GrubHub walks up to you and says "every month we're going to give you $357 for $200 worth of food and labor. All you have to do is plug in a tablet and fill our orders."Why would you care what they make off it?

The only reason it matters now is because delivery services are the only lifeline a lot of restaurants have.

With that said, I have no problem with the city going to these companies and saying "we backed you up when times were good. Now that they're not we need you to take a little L and cap your commissions." Ultimately this works out well for the delivery industry because without these caps there might not be any restaurants left once the pandemic ends.
 
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It would be interesting to know the cost if a restaurant just stayed closed instead. Is the cost to stay open & running while getting only a 1/3 of the revenue more cost effective than just staying closed?
 
Think of it this way. Suppose you own a restaurant. One day GrubHub walks up to you and says "every month we're going to give you $357 for $200 worth of food and labor. All you have to do is plug in a tablet and fill our orders."Why would you care what they make off it?

The only reason it matters now is because delivery services are the only lifeline a lot of restaurants have.

With that said, I have no problem with the city going to these companies and saying "we backed you up when times were good. Now that they're not we need you to take a little L and cap your commissions." Ultimately this works out well for the delivery industry because without these caps there might not be any restaurants left once the pandemic ends.

^^^^^
Ummmm

Why hasn't something this smart and reasonable been written by any major media outlet?
 
I wouldn't have lasted 5 hours doing my job that way. Let alone five years and over 3,000 deliveries.

When I'm late it's usually because the restaurant was late getting the order out or I'm delivering to the 36th floor of the Hyatt. Despite this I have an 86% on-time delivery rating.

I also deliver on a bike, not a car. if you've been to downtown SF you would immediately understand why.

Finally, I never EVER eat people's food! Not trying to lose a $30 an hour job over some damn french fries. Especially when I don't always have the time or resources to clean my hands.

Usually dressed in a t-shirt, sneakers, old Navy jeans and hoodie. It may not be a polo with a tie, slacks and church shoes, but after 20 plus miles riding up and down hills it's going to get grimy and sweaty all the same.
you ever thought about investing in 1 of these? They have better 1s that go faster and last longer

 
you ever thought about investing in 1 of these? They have better 1s that go faster and last longer



Your timing is uncanny. I'm looking for a new bike right now. This one is beautiful.

I really like the tires. they look like they could handle the craggy San Francisco pavement and they're thick enough to not get caught in the cable car tracks.

My biggest questions would be

-how much does it weigh?
-can it be maintained with stock parts?
-if it needs custom parts how much do they cost? How available are they?
-how does it work on hills?
-can it fit in a standard bike locker slot?

and most importantly

-If the electrics go down Is there at least four bike shops in my city that can fix it within 3 days?
 
Your timing is uncanny. I'm looking for a new bike right now. This one is beautiful.

I really like the tires. they look like they could handle the craggy San Francisco pavement and they're thick enough to not get caught in the cable car tracks.

My biggest questions would be

-how much does it weigh?
-can it be maintained with stock parts?
-if it needs custom parts how much do they cost? How available are they?
-how does it work on hills?
-can it fit in a standard bike locker slot?

and most importantly

-If the electrics go down Is there at least four bike shops in my city that can fix it within 3 days?
look up super 73.. They have a website and they custom things and if I'm not mistaken they originated in cali.. So the head dudes might actually can give you info straight up.. Hell if you can smooth talk your way you might can get a free promotional bike to try out since you in a certain industry and you plugging them can get them more sales.. Especially if you make YouTube vids.. But definitely look into super 73
 
look up super 73.. They have a website and they custom things and if I'm not mistaken they originated in cali.. So the head dudes might actually can give you info straight up.. Hell if you can smooth talk your way you might can get a free promotional bike to try out since you in a certain industry and you plugging them can get them more sales.. Especially if you make YouTube vids.. But definitely look into super 73
 
If you have a car and are able to drive to the restaurant to pick up your own food, it is crazy to me to use one of these services!

The amount you are charged to use the service, then having to tip, plus you don't know how clean the driver's car is and you don't know if they will go through your damn food.

I got Chinese the other day and there were Door Dash drivers EVERYWHERE waiting to take orders to customers.


what do u mean by having to tip?
alway ask for yr bag to b stapled.
but i feel u on if u have a car y do u need these services
 
Nice but damn, 3k though?

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1500-3000 depending on which 1 you get.. To certain people worth the investment.. Hell for some people that know how to manipulate the situation they can put this as a business expense and get a tax write off for this.. Speaking of which I need to text somebody this in fact maybe 2
 
1500-3000 depending on which 1 you get.. To certain people worth the investment.. Hell for some people that know how to manipulate the situation they can put this as a business expense and get a tax write off for this.. Speaking of which I need to text somebody this in fact maybe 2

You're definitely right!
 
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