This generation's Harry Belafonte Jesse Williams has a lot to say about Riots

[nellj]

http://www.salon.com/2015/04/28/so_...you_like_actor_jesse_williams_baltimore_rant/

On Monday evening, as Baltimore was rocked by violent and nonviolent protests alike, actor Jesse Williams, known for his role on “Grey’s Anatomy” and for occasionally weighing in on issues of race and police brutality, wrote what amounted to an essay on the history of rioting.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>If you don't actually care about Black people having equal protection under the law, why are you making suggestions to those who do?</p>&mdash; jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) <a href="https://twitter.com/iJesseWilliams/status/592844102053531648">April 28, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>What are the critical elements that constitute a &quot;riot&quot; and when do riots offend you?</p>&mdash; jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) <a href="https://twitter.com/iJesseWilliams/status/592866955788431366">April 28, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>If we view rioting as a mass temper tantrum expressed through violence &amp; property damage, white sports fans do that monthly. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Tradition?src=hash">#Tradition</a></p>&mdash; jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) <a href="https://twitter.com/iJesseWilliams/status/592867416440471552">April 28, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>1 group can burn &amp; loot when a team scores less points than another but when paid public servants kill citizens, we gotta be BaggerVance?</p>&mdash; jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) <a href="https://twitter.com/iJesseWilliams/status/592868433856987137">April 28, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Where are all the think pieces &amp; coverage of the pathology of white culture every time white frustration vents violence &amp; destruction?</p>&mdash; jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) <a href="https://twitter.com/iJesseWilliams/status/592869737031405568">April 28, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>There is nothing &quot;black&quot; about rioting. How do you think we got all this land?</p>&mdash; jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) <a href="https://twitter.com/iJesseWilliams/status/592869962819248129">April 28, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Historically riots have been tools for intimidation; destroying populations, taking land &amp; valuables. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BlowingOffSteam?src=hash">#BlowingOffSteam</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BoysWillBeBoys?src=hash">#BoysWillBeBoys</a></p>&mdash; jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) <a href="https://twitter.com/iJesseWilliams/status/592870798932729856">April 28, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Whites rioted throughout the early 1900s, slaughtering, burning &amp; looting entire thriving black townships, just because of the adjective.</p>&mdash; jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) <a href="https://twitter.com/iJesseWilliams/status/592871121831272448">April 28, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>You've watched hulking bullies w/ badges, robes &amp; money brutalize, kill &amp; cage human beings every yr of your entire lives &amp; said nothing.</p>&mdash; jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) <a href="https://twitter.com/iJesseWilliams/status/592871793888776192">April 28, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>So Exactly What Kind Of Violence Don't You Like?</p>&mdash; jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) <a href="https://twitter.com/iJesseWilliams/status/592871877762273280">April 28, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Police &amp; policies have been rioting on our bodies; destroying people &amp; property every single day of your lives. But here you come...</p>&mdash; jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) <a href="https://twitter.com/iJesseWilliams/status/592872180788133889">April 28, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>...When the beaten, marinated in centuries of trauma, pain &amp; distress, manage to muster a response, here you come, squealing; revealing.</p>&mdash; jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) <a href="https://twitter.com/iJesseWilliams/status/592872409251852289">April 28, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>You seem to really hate when people do &quot;things that aren't helping&quot; like contextualizing issues based on empirical evidence. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UghTheWorst?src=hash">#UghTheWorst</a>!</p>&mdash; jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) <a href="https://twitter.com/iJesseWilliams/status/592875171813445632">April 28, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Things that &quot;aren't helping&quot; happen every single day though, which means you've had a million opportunities to research &amp; contribute. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/But?src=hash">#But</a></p>&mdash; jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) <a href="https://twitter.com/iJesseWilliams/status/592875381541179392">April 28, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>You have so much to say, yet we've never seen you out here you before. Who shows up after the event &amp; criticizes the audience's reaction?</p>&mdash; jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) <a href="https://twitter.com/iJesseWilliams/status/592876083814465537">April 28, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The reaction to oppression has always been spun &amp; marketed as validation for the status quo.</p>&mdash; jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) <a href="https://twitter.com/iJesseWilliams/status/592877663695544320">April 28, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Notice how the party slogan, no matter the font or cleche, always boils down to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NeverChange?src=hash">#NeverChange</a>.</p>&mdash; jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) <a href="https://twitter.com/iJesseWilliams/status/592878230518034433">April 28, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>You want us to condemn black folks being violent against PROPERTY but you NEVER condemn police killing actual PEOPLE. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Explain?src=hash">#Explain</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JustTry?src=hash">#JustTry</a></p>&mdash; jesseWilliams. (@iJesseWilliams) <a href="https://twitter.com/iJesseWilliams/status/592886160973811712">April 28, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[thismybgolname]

I'm following this guy and will support his work going forward.

 

[Kush]

 

[actinanass]

Well, lets all accept bad behavior.

 

[BDR]

Jesse hit em wit the wil wap

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Well, lets all accept bad behavior.

Why not? You guys accept the murder of unarmed black folks

 

[Dark19]

I Fux Wit This Cat On the Real

 

[HeathCliff]

Why not? You guys accept the murder of unarmed black folks

 

[sinsay]

He's always kept it real.

David Banner spits some real shit too on his twitter acct.

 

[Sampson]

That was beautiful. So much respect for this guy.

 

[BKF]

Why not? You guys accept the murder of unarmed black folks by black

People also accept the killing of black people, by other black folk in our own neighborhoods. There are no riots and/or truce of gang members to stop the killing of black men, women, and children.

So it seems the acceptance of murder/killing is mutual.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

People also accept the killing of black people, by other black folk in our own neighborhoods. There are no riots and/or truce of gang members to stop the killing of black men, women, and children.

So it seems the acceptance of murder/killing is mutual.

Yup same thing. Train is never late. Hey let's not look at them! let's not look at their history of violence against us. Let's not look at the situations we're put in as a result of their policies. Not like backing up a truck load of drugs right into our backyards and then creating laws to make sure those drugs carry heavy time in jail and sending civil servants into those areas to crack down and lock them up for doing the drugs we gave them and selling the drugs that we gave them while also making sure the process of rehabilitating addicts is nonexistent while removing the good hard working, liveable wage paying jobs and making sure that somehow guns make it to our porches in HUGE quantities because we all know guns are manufactured in the hood by black people who created ways to kill them, while also granting loans to foreigners before black folk who would open up stores if they could just get past the hurdles the banks set in place for them but that's going off topic a little bit. because there is a liquor store and a pawn shop pretty much every square mile in the hood but really if you don't have a job, you got a record for experimenting with smoking weed once and now can't get any work but drugs are right there, guns are right there and liquor is right there while not being able to sit on your own porch without being fucked with by the people who are supposed to be there to protect you and who sometimes decide today is your day to get beat up for no reason it is completely irrational to think that people would resort to violence. not like the unemployment rate has a DIRECT CORRELATION with the crime rate in EVERY COMMUNITY ACROSS THE BOARD. not like removing social activities for kids after school and the summer won't affect the kids. Not like making sure you close the libraries and eliminate those summer jobs that kept them busy 5 hours of the day and gave them money to go to the movies and shit won't have an affect on what they do to try and earn a living right?

We just like to kill each other and accept it because that's what we do with no outside influence and no reason other than we got to do better

 

[BKF]

Yup same thing. Train is never late. Hey let's not look at them! let's not look at their history of violence against us. Let's not look at the situations we're put in as a result of their policies. Not like backing up a truck load of drugs right into our backyards and then creating laws to make sure those drugs carry heavy time in jail and sending civil servants into those areas to crack down and lock them up for doing the drugs we gave them and selling the drugs that we gave them while also making sure the process of rehabilitating addicts is nonexistent while removing the good hard working, liveable wage paying jobs and making sure that somehow guns make it to our porches in HUGE quantities because we all know guns are manufactured in the hood by black people who created ways to kill them, while also granting loans to foreigners before black folk who would open up stores if they could just get past the hurdles the banks set in place for them but that's going off topic a little bit. because there is a liquor store and a pawn shop pretty much every square mile in the hood but really if you don't have a job, you got a record for experimenting with smoking weed once and now can't get any work but drugs are right there, guns are right there and liquor is right there while not being able to sit on your own porch without being fucked with by the people who are supposed to be there to protect you and who sometimes decide today is your day to get beat up for no reason it is completely irrational to think that people would resort to violence. not like the unemployment rate has a DIRECT CORRELATION with the crime rate in EVERY COMMUNITY ACROSS THE BOARD. not like removing social activities for kids after school and the summer won't affect the kids. Not like making sure you close the libraries and eliminate those summer jobs that kept them busy 5 hours of the day and gave them money to go to the movies and shit won't have an affect on what they do to try and earn a living right?

We just like to kill each other and accept it because that's what we do with no outside influence and no reason other than we got to do better

Why can't we look at both? You can talk about what they set up but at some point you have to talk about what we have not done. If you think the people who are causing you problems are going to turn around and solve that problem. You are simply delusional. Keep chasing your tail.

 

[crackheadlou]

I'm following this guy and will support his work going forward.

And I say Bullshit to his ideology, rioting only hurts the very people rioting, they are at lost with their emotions and temper, no matter how just their argument is, under the guise of justice yet destruction's children anarchy and chaos are all that exists. Explain to me how does throwing a trash can thru old man Johnson's corner store in your community and looting it resolves your problem? or trashing Mrs Temple car which is her only means to work? (I'm waiting on a reasonable response) Yet just yesterday some of those very same people were in there buying a pack of Cadillacs and a mountain dew and helped Mrs Temple push the car off the street when it broke down on 5th and Fir!!!. Hey Jesse keep your history lesson you can't side with the devil to defeat satan rioting is wrong no matter what race does it and it will never be right. That's a Crackheadlou original quote, feel free to use it. Nuff said

 

[Spectrum]

i'm following this guy and will support his work going forward.

this

 

[actinanass]

Why not? You guys accept the murder of unarmed black folks

I'm not accepting anything like that.

I'm mad at the hypocrisy my community is showing right now.

Large, you are part of the problem too, and you are too stupid to realize it.

Enjoy the show that your side, and beliefs created.

 

[naijachief]

And I say Bullshit to his ideology, rioting only hurts the very people rioting, they are at lost with their emotions and temper, no matter how just their argument is, under the guise of justice yet destruction's children anarchy and chaos are all that exists. Explain to me how does throwing a trash can thru old man Johnson's corner store in your community and looting it resolves your problem? or trashing Mrs Temple car which is her only means to work? (I'm waiting on a reasonable response) Yet just yesterday some of those very same people were in there buying a pack of Cadillacs and a mountain dew and helped Mrs Temple push the car off the street when it broke down on 5th and Fir!!!. Hey Jesse keep your history lesson you can't side with the devil to defeat satan rioting is wrong no matter what race does it and it will never be right. That's a Crackheadlou original quote, feel free to use it. Nuff said

They don't hear you though. It's basically like taking a big shit right in your living room. You are the one who will have to step over the shit and smell the shit until somebody eventually cleans it up. Senior living apartments were burned down last night, too bad for the senior citizens who needed the housing. If you have sick family members and used the now burned
down CVS to buy drugs, too bad for you. If you owned a store in the mall and it was looted yesterday, too bad for you. Who are you hurting by the fire and looting?

 

[BKF]

And I say Bullshit to his ideology, rioting only hurts the very people rioting, they are at lost with their emotions and temper, no matter how just their argument is, under the guise of justice yet destruction's children anarchy and chaos are all that exists. Explain to me how does throwing a trash can thru old man Johnson's corner store in your community and looting it resolves your problem? or trashing Mrs Temple car which is her only means to work? (I'm waiting on a reasonable response) Yet just yesterday some of those very same people were in there buying a pack of Cadillacs and a mountain dew and helped Mrs Temple push the car off the street when it broke down on 5th and Fir!!!. Hey Jesse keep your history lesson you can't side with the devil to defeat satan rioting is wrong no matter what race does it and it will never be right. That's a Crackheadlou original quote, feel free to use it. Nuff said

The only thing the riots and such acts will help is the speed at which gentrification will occur.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

People also accept the killing of black people, by other black folk in our own neighborhoods. There are no riots and/or truce of gang members to stop the killing of black men, women, and children.

So it seems the acceptance of murder/killing is mutual.

It is. But it's only tears and outrage worthy when a white does it. Black people kill other black people it's totally acceptable and just business as usual. They won't acknowledge that truth though.

Shit, half these dudes celebrate it.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Why can't we look at both? You can talk about what they set up but at some point you have to talk about what we have not done. If you think the people who are causing you problems are going to turn around and solve that problem. You are simply delusional. Keep chasing your tail.

And if you think if we simply do better they'll stop murdering us then you are doing the same.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I'm not accepting anything like that.

I'm mad at the hypocrisy my community is showing right now.

Large, you are part of the problem too, and you are too stupid to realize it.

Enjoy the show that your side, and beliefs created.

I'm part of the problem? You don't know me. I'm part of the solution

You probably don't even think you're just like the black people out there in the streets rioting

keep acting an ass

 

[Chitownheadbusa]

The blame game shit that some of you are trying to pull in here is starting to become pointless. White folks do this..Black folks do that. Accepting accountability is one piece of the puzzle, but I think we all need to understand that a lot of this shit will never end until we bypass the pawns and go after the ones that pull the pawns puppet strings.

The folks who need to feel pain via fire, rocks, garbage cans...the ones who need to feel the pain of a family member dying via some senseless violence ...the ones who need to die themselves...are all safe at home watching the show; i.e. something that they orchestrated.

You have too many people coming from too many different angles..and most of these people cant agree on the smallest of things just to get the ball rolling.

Thats why i feel like we need to start off small (local) then work our way out (national). Tryna get a nationwide movement going with people who do nothing but deflect but playing the blame/point out hypocrites will do nothing but retard growth.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

There's never a point in time where there is some fucked up shit that happened to black people and black people are like yea that's fucked up and they shouldn't have done it without someone saying well what about what you (black people) do?

never

 

[SamSneed]

And I say Bullshit to his ideology, rioting only hurts the very people rioting, they are at lost with their emotions and temper, no matter how just their argument is, under the guise of justice yet destruction's children anarchy and chaos are all that exists. Explain to me how does throwing a trash can thru old man Johnson's corner store in your community and looting it resolves your problem? or trashing Mrs Temple car which is her only means to work? (I'm waiting on a reasonable response) Yet just yesterday some of those very same people were in there buying a pack of Cadillacs and a mountain dew and helped Mrs Temple push the car off the street when it broke down on 5th and Fir!!!. Hey Jesse keep your history lesson you can't side with the devil to defeat satan rioting is wrong no matter what race does it and it will never be right. That's a Crackheadlou original quote, feel free to use it. Nuff said

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=181498

 

[BKF]

And if you think if we simply do better they'll stop murdering us then you are doing the same.

Now where or when have I ever made such a statement? I'll tell when. Never.. anywhere.
You made that up to fit your argument.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Now where or when have I ever made such a statement? I'll tell when. Never.. anywhere.
You made that up to fit your argument.

Yes, because you didn't say this "If you think the people who are causing you problems are going to turn around and solve that problem. You are simply delusional. Keep chasing your tail. "

Where did I ever say they were going to fix anything or that they were a solution?

Where?

Exactly

 

[durham]

Damn, gotta sit on this a minute. Impressive lyrical assault.

 

[BKF]

Yes, because you didn't say this "If you think the people who are causing you problems are going to turn around and solve that problem. You are simply delusional. Keep chasing your tail. "

Where did I ever say they were going to fix anything or that they were a solution?

Where?

Exactly

Let deal with one thing at a time. Did I make such a statement or not?

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Let deal with one thing at a time. Did I make such a statement or no it?

No that's not how this is going to work. You made a false conclusion initially correct? Address that first.

 

[Amajorfucup]

People also accept the killing of black people, by other black folk in our own neighborhoods. There are no riots and/or truce of gang members to stop the killing of black men, women, and children.

So it seems the acceptance of murder/killing is mutual.

Holding cops and criminals to the same standard. Nice!

Unfortunately, black criminals go to jail without the need for protest or rioting.

 

[godofwine]

I'm following this guy and will support his work going forward.

I Fux Wit This Cat On the Real

That was beautiful. So much respect for this guy.

Damn, gotta sit on this a minute. Impressive lyrical assault.

Man, Jesse is that dude. Dude hitting them like Ali in his prime.

 

[WhenTheGoingGetsTtuff]

There's never a point in time where there is some fucked up shit that happened to black people and black people are like yea that's fucked up and they shouldn't have done it without someone saying well what about what you (black people) do?

never

Squirm fishy.

No that's not how this is going to work. You made a false conclusion initially correct? Address that first.

I'm glad you do this to other people and not just me. smh. I wondered that. Does he fishy with anyone else or is it just me?

 

[BKF]

No that's not how this is going to work. You made a false conclusion initially correct? Address that first.

Just stop it. You made a statement and I called you on it. Now instead of addressing that statement. You come back with a cop out. Which to me just shows you had a straw man's argument to begin with.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Just stop it. You made a statement and I called you on it. Now instead of addressing that statement. You come back with a cop out. Which to me just shows you had a straw man's argument to begin with.

No. you stop it. You made a statement FIRST i responded to your statement you made. next you try to call me out on something you did FIRST which is the entire point.

You concluded how i felt and what i was looking for when i didn't say that shit and nothing i said was saying that shit.

And then when i return the favor suddenly its a problem.

 

[Amajorfucup]

Just stop it. You made a statement and I called you on it. Now instead of addressing that statement. You come back with a cop out. Which to me just shows you had a straw man's argument to begin with.

Your entire premise was a strawman you dumb son of a bitch.