The Winds of War
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I believe President Obama ordered the Iraqi government to stand down regarding the Yazidis and Christians that 'allegedly' faced slaughtered by ISIS on a remote mountain. The Iraqi government could have came in and protected them from ISIS. The Iraqi government has fighter jets that could have targeted them in the same manner. We did not need to get involved with air strikes at all, we could have provided just targets and let the Iraqi government strike the targets.
Knowing an airstrike would have resulted in an act of retaliation. ISIS smartly did not select a target on US soil and proffered the videos to President Obama. However, these vile acts were broadcasted openly so that it would cause people to support military action and fear ISIS. The U.S. government was hoping for a typical terrorist strike; however, they are going to use these beheading videos as a basis to get involved as planned in the region due to oil interests.
ISIL has such broad appeal among the people who don't support the Iraqi government at all. There is no way for the Iraqi government to take these areas back.
This military action is strictly about oil and controlling access to it. We are being manipulated again to get in another war for political reasons. This group posed no threat to the U.S. and only beheaded two Americans in response to airstrikes that should have been done by the Iraqi government.
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ISIL should have staged a mock execution and declared that the U.S. will not be attacked or pose any danger to American interest in the country...This would have degraded public support and would have prevented further air strikes.
Knowing an airstrike would have resulted in an act of retaliation. ISIS smartly did not select a target on US soil and proffered the videos to President Obama. However, these vile acts were broadcasted openly so that it would cause people to support military action and fear ISIS. The U.S. government was hoping for a typical terrorist strike; however, they are going to use these beheading videos as a basis to get involved as planned in the region due to oil interests.
ISIL has such broad appeal among the people who don't support the Iraqi government at all. There is no way for the Iraqi government to take these areas back.
This military action is strictly about oil and controlling access to it. We are being manipulated again to get in another war for political reasons. This group posed no threat to the U.S. and only beheaded two Americans in response to airstrikes that should have been done by the Iraqi government.
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ISIL should have staged a mock execution and declared that the U.S. will not be attacked or pose any danger to American interest in the country...This would have degraded public support and would have prevented further air strikes.
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hate him all that you want, but he was right about this one...
Right or wrong, thank you for your comments.
Met George W. he seemed cool in person... Just subjugate the entire area because they're never going to stop fighting. CACs want everyone to act and think like them, good luck in the Middle East
We want to help some people who were trained to fight this very threat. Why are we even stepping in? There are people that sleep right across the street from where the President lay his head down but we helping some people we already trained? Anybody hear anything about Israel lately? We funding all of they stuff. Mental disease is running crazy in America, Our borders and ports are being filled with drugs. For every batch of drugs we catch, how many others get through? Tunnels from Mexico to U.S and we worried about this?
The new war is being fought online. Our most important Govt agencies are being hacked, retail stores being hacked. Reports say these bugs have been active for months, years maybe. Gmail got hacked and some Govt agencies have switched totally from Exchange to Gmail. This Asian kid got access to Transunion by posing as a millionaire.
You as a black man and President see all of the wrong being done- Travon, Mike Brown- so many others and yet no new laws are going on the books for police behavior. In 2014 we had a riot man! The Black Panthers had to get involved.
This dude was already in American custody, he gets released and says ill see you all in New York. Then he becomes the leader of ISIS? Now you dont know how to deal with him? Cmon son. We got bigger problems at home dog.
The new war is being fought online. Our most important Govt agencies are being hacked, retail stores being hacked. Reports say these bugs have been active for months, years maybe. Gmail got hacked and some Govt agencies have switched totally from Exchange to Gmail. This Asian kid got access to Transunion by posing as a millionaire.
You as a black man and President see all of the wrong being done- Travon, Mike Brown- so many others and yet no new laws are going on the books for police behavior. In 2014 we had a riot man! The Black Panthers had to get involved.
This dude was already in American custody, he gets released and says ill see you all in New York. Then he becomes the leader of ISIS? Now you dont know how to deal with him? Cmon son. We got bigger problems at home dog.
I finally figured out why you keep coming back:
you want us to educate you. It's subconscious but that's what it is. There's no other logical explanation for why someone can be so consistently wrong and insist on coming back for more punishment.
First, Bush can't be given any credit because if he had left Saddam alone, we wouldn't be in this in the first place. This is still his fault. He set this in motion and it's been up to Obama, and his successor, to clean it up and deal with the long term consequences.
Second, it was his withdrawal timetable that Obama was following.
This article was from 2010
Iraq and U.S. agree that all U.S. forces will withdraw "no later than December 31, 2011." On November 17, 2008, US and Iraqi officials signed a Security Agreement, often referred to as a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA), stating that "All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011." The agreement also called for all U.S. combat forces to withdraw from Iraqi cities "no later than June 30, 2009." [U.S.-Iraq Status of Forces Agreement, 11/17/08]
Bush praised agreement as "another sign of progress." Calling the SOFA "another sign of progress," President Bush said in a November 27, 2008, statement, "The Strategic Framework Agreement sets the foundation for a long-term bilateral relationship between our two countries, and the Security Agreement addresses our presence, activities, and withdrawal from Iraq." [whitehouse.gov, 11/27/08]
According to him, he was done posting on this board.
If I was in their place, and having knowledge of this country history and actual practices, not the bullshit that is spouted off. Our history is devoid of anything positive for non-whites and there is recent evidence of ethnic cleansing and other heinous acts. You have the face of President Obama but he is pressured or manipulated into supporting military action by these radical elements.
I would repudiate any U.S. created government/white supremacy tyranny - mass surveillance, threats of violence, interference, or sanctions. It reeks of U.S. hegemony and is probably the reason they reject it. The boundaries or Islamic state should be established based on where homogenous populations live and not included in this 'inclusive' government that was haphazardly designed. Then link the separate autonomous areas under some EU style confab.
Democracy has serious flaws as compared to other forms of government which I will write about later. They have gotten a seriously flawed government that leads to corruption and domination by the wealthy elites.
If it was the reverse, whites would never accept any government imposed upon them by Muslims, no matter how bad their dictator treated them.
It reminds me of Hitler after wiping out millions of Jews wanting to come to Israel to bring freedom and democracy?
I would repudiate any U.S. created government/white supremacy tyranny - mass surveillance, threats of violence, interference, or sanctions. It reeks of U.S. hegemony and is probably the reason they reject it. The boundaries or Islamic state should be established based on where homogenous populations live and not included in this 'inclusive' government that was haphazardly designed. Then link the separate autonomous areas under some EU style confab.
Democracy has serious flaws as compared to other forms of government which I will write about later. They have gotten a seriously flawed government that leads to corruption and domination by the wealthy elites.
If it was the reverse, whites would never accept any government imposed upon them by Muslims, no matter how bad their dictator treated them.
It reminds me of Hitler after wiping out millions of Jews wanting to come to Israel to bring freedom and democracy?
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Leonard Pitts Jr.: Wondering 'what if' as
US forces head back to the Middle East
US forces head back to the Middle East
The Miami Herald
By LEONARD PITTS JR.
September 14, 2014
If.
Two letters long, it is arguably the most fruitless word in the English language, an evocation of paths not taken, possibilities foreclosed, regrets stacked high - and it lies like a pall of smoke over President Obama's Wednesday-night announcement that this country is returning to war, albeit with air strikes only, in a place we just left behind in 2011 after spending almost nine years, over a trillion dollars and 4,425 lives.
If.
If as in,
- if President Bush had concentrated on toppling the Taliban in Afghanistan, which harbored the authors of the terrorist strike we suffered 13 years ago last week,
- if he had not rushed to judgment, convincing himself Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein was behind the attack,
- if his administration had not used suspect intelligence to claim Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction,
- if we had not bought into the fantasy that we could impose a Jeffersonian democracy on another nation and have them thank us for it,
- if we had not destabilized the region,
- if we had never kicked this hornet's nest, would we now find ourselves obliged to confront the criminal gang that calls itself the Islamic State?
It's doubtful, to say the least.
And one imagines that as he wrestled with Wednesday's decision, this president who came to office vowing to end the Iraq War felt not unlike Michael Corleone in Godfather Part III: "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!"
Granted, Obama's predicament is hardly unique. Lincoln had to fight the war Buchanan's dithering made inevitable. Roosevelt had to fix the economy whose collapse Hoover had placidly watched. Washington was probably the last president who didn't have to clean up his predecessor's mess.
So once more unto the breach. What other choice do we have? With stunning speed that has alarmed the world, the Islamic State has seized large swaths of Iraq and its civil war-wracked neighbor, Syria, marching toward its stated goal of establishing a caliphate. In the process, it has committed acts of genocide and atrocity, including the beheading of two brave American journalists. We can hardly stand by and do nothing. In opting for air strikes, the president has probably chosen the least bad from a palette of unattractive options.
Yet as we go again to war, there is one last "if" we ought to heed, for it concerns not the failings of a president but those of the people. So many of us bought into the Bush administration's false conflation of Iraq and the Sept. 11 attacks, even when it became clear there was no connection. And so many of us echoed the administration's shrug of indifference when the weapons of mass destruction turned out to be mirages of mass delusion.
Shorn of his two major rationales for going to war, you may recall, Bush said that, even knowing what he now knew, he still would have invaded Iraq. And the American people echoed this bizarre nonchalance, 56 percent telling Gallup in 2003 that they supported the war whether weapons were found or not. Thus, we enabled a long and unnecessary war.
Had we the people not been so morally craven, we might have saved much treasure and blood. Had we had not been so panicked and credulous, America might not have created the vacuum into which this new threat now rushes.
The lesson has resonance not simply for the past, which is unalterable, but also for the future, which is unwritten. As a free people, it is our job to apply a brake, when necessary, to the excesses - particularly the military excesses - of our government. We owe that to the men and women who fly into harm's way on our behalf, because we ought to be able to justify their sacrifice with more than fantasy, delusion, mirage and regret.
And, because if is about the most useless word there is.
ABOUT THE WRITER
Leonard Pitts Jr., winner of the 2004 Pulitzer Prize for commentary, is a columnist for the Miami Herald, 3511 N.W. 91 Avenue, Doral, Fla. 33172. Readers may write to him via email at lpitts@miamiherald.com.
Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/09/...wondering-what.html?sp=/99/337/#storylink=cpy
Education? From you? When pretty much Obama is proving Bush right?
Keep thinking that in your twisted delusional mind.
Many of these Arab/Islamic countries forming a coalition with the United States against ISIL is not a tacit approval of US presence in the region. They will form alliances even with white supremacist David Duke if they face an imminent threat such as Israel.
Many are despotic regimes that could lose half their land when the citizen willingly flee or not fight to protect their country.
Many countries start out as highly unequal such as the US. Through time, they begin to resemble other countries. Nobody ran in to stop slavery, decimation of indigenous people, or unequal treatment of women who could not vote, own land, or do many other things. We have what we have from hundreds of years of evolving.
We need to get off fossil fuels and let the natural course of events take place.
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I know YOU are scared shitless because of that guy with Ebola!