The US Air Force just announced what I have been saying for years: The F-35 is a piece of crap, and the Air Force does not want it anymore

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The U.S. Air Force Just Admitted The F-35 Stealth Fighter Has Failed
David AxeForbes Staff
Aerospace & Defense
Feb 23, 2021,08:00am EST|630,273 views


The U.S. Air Force’s top officer wants the service to develop an affordable, lightweight fighter to replace hundreds of Cold War-vintage F-16s and complement a small fleet of sophisticated—but costly and unreliable—stealth fighters.
The result would be a high-low mix of expensive “fifth-generation” F-22s and F-35s and inexpensive “fifth-generation-minus” jets, explained Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Charles Brown Jr.
If that plan sounds familiar, it’s because the Air Force a generation ago launched development of an affordable, lightweight fighter to replace hundreds of Cold War-vintage F-16s and complement a small future fleet of sophisticated—but costly and unreliable—stealth fighters.



But over 20 years of R&D, that lightweight replacement fighter got heavier and more expensive as the Air Force and lead contractor Lockheed Martin LMT -2.6% packed it with more and more new technology.
Yes, we’re talking about the F-35. The 25-ton stealth warplane has become the very problem it was supposed to solve. And now America needs a new fighter to solve that F-35 problem, officials said.


With a sticker price of around $100 million per plane, including the engine, the F-35 is expensive. While stealthy and brimming with high-tech sensors, it’s also maintenance-intensive, buggy and unreliable. “The F-35 is not a low-cost, lightweight fighter,” said Dan Ward, a former Air Force program manager and the author of popular business books including The Simplicity Cycle.
The F-35 is a Ferrari, Brown told reporters last Wednesday. “You don’t drive your Ferrari to work every day, you only drive it on Sundays. This is our ‘high end’ [fighter], we want to make sure we don’t use it all for the low-end fight.”
“I want to moderate how much we’re using those aircraft,” Brown said.
Hence the need for a new low-end fighter to pick up the slack in day-to-day operations. Today, the Air Force’s roughly 1,000 F-16s meet that need. But the flying branch hasn’t bought a new F-16 from Lockheed since 2001. The F-16s are old.
In his last interview before leaving his post in January, Will Roper, the Air Force’s top acquisition official, floated the idea of new F-16 orders. But Brown shot down the idea, saying he doesn’t want more of the classic planes.
The 17-ton, non-stealthy F-16 is too difficult to upgrade with the latest software, Brown explained. Instead of ordering fresh F-16s, he said, the Air Force should initiate a “clean-sheet design” for a new low-end fighter.
Brown’s comments are a tacit admission that the F-35 has failed. As conceived in the 1990s, the program was supposed to produce thousands of fighters to displace almost all of the existing tactical warplanes in the inventories of the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps.
The Air Force alone wanted nearly 1,800 F-35s to replace aging F-16s and A-10s and constitute the low end of a low-high fighter mix, with 180 twin-engine F-22s making up the high end.
But the Air Force and Lockheed baked failure into the F-35’s very concept. “They tried to make the F-35 do too much,” said Dan Grazier, an analyst with the Project on Government Oversight in Washington, D.C.
There’s a small-wing version for land-based operations, a big-wing version for the Navy’s catapult-equipped aircraft carriers and, for the small-deck assault ships the Marines ride in, a vertical-landing model with a downward-blasting lift engine.
The complexity added cost. Rising costs imposed delays. Delays gave developers more time to add yet more complexity to the design. Those additions added more cost. Those costs resulted in more delays. So on and so forth.
Fifteen years after the F-35’s first flight, the Air Force has just 250 of the jets. Now the service is signaling possible cuts to the program. It’s not for no reason that Brown has begun characterizing the F-35 as a boutique, high-end fighter in the class of the F-22. The Air Force ended F-22 production after completing just 195 copies.
“The F-35 is approaching a crossroads,” Grazier said.
Pentagon leaders have hinted that, as part of the U.S. military’s shift in focus toward peer threats—that is, Russia and China—the Navy and Air Force might get bigger shares of the U.S. military’s roughly $700-billion annual budget. All at the Army’s expense.
“If we’re going to pull the trigger on a new fighter, now’s probably the time,” Grazier said. The Air Force could end F-35 production after just a few hundred examples and redirect tens of billions of dollars to a new fighter program.
But it’s an open question whether the Air Force will ever succeed in developing a light, cheap fighter. The new low-end jet could suffer the same fate as the last low-end jet—the F-35—and steadily gain weight, complexity and cost until it becomes, well, a high-end jet.
If that happens, as it’s happened before, then some future Air Force chief of staff might tell reporters—in, say, the year 2041—that the new F-36 is a Ferrari and you don’t drive your Ferrari to work every day.
To finally replace its 60-year-old F-16s, this future general might say, the Air Force should develop an affordable, lightweight fighter.
 
What will happen to all those countries like the UK, Australia
Netherlands, etc, which invested in this program? This has to
be the biggest heist of all time. The $800 hammers have got
nothing on this.
 
Amazing how easy it is to use workin folks hard earned money...just to increase elite wealth..

 
It violates every tenet of John Boyd and "The Fighter Mafia" in the 1960s who advocated smaller, more agile planes and a more sane policy on building them, which led to the abandonment of the B70 monster fighter, the desperate effort to install a gatling gun on the F4 Phantom after the North Vietnamese handed their asses to them, the F15, F16, F18 and the A10.

One of the main things that Boyd and his people advocated was specialised platforms: Pure air superiority plane - F15. Pure close air support - A10. General fighter - F16. Don't let "Top Gun" fool you, apparently, the F14 was too big, too expensive, too heavy for air combat.

The Fighter Mafia are either dead or in retirement and the military industrial complex is striking back. Example? Apparently the wheel struts for the A10 are a an off the shelf Cessna design.
 
It violates every tenet of John Boyd and "The Fighter Mafia" in the 1960s who advocated smaller, more agile planes and a more sane policy on building them, which led to the abandonment of the B70 monster fighter, the desperate effort to install a gatling gun on the F4 Phantom after the North Vietnamese handed their asses to them, the F15, F16, F18 and the A10.

One of the main things that Boyd and his people advocated was specialised platforms: Pure air superiority plane - F15. Pure close air support - A10. General fighter - F16. Don't let "Top Gun" fool you, apparently, the F14 was too big, too expensive, too heavy for air combat.

The Fighter Mafia are either dead or in retirement and the military industrial complex is striking back. Example? Apparently the wheel struts for the A10 are a an off the shelf Cessna design.

You know your stuff. The Strike Eagle has never been bested in combat. Ever. One unofficial account says in Desert Storm. I’d never say the F35 was a bust but the F-22? The US has dominated in air superiority with its tactics , fighters and R&D. The F-22 is not upgradeable unlike the F-35. Besides that our allies have their variations of the F-35 which allows intranet network communication and again they can vector in other ACs into killboxes without being seen. By the time other ACs know they are there it’s too late. It doesn’t need to turn or run although they can do that too all the while giving the finger. The middle. Ironically, the F15X is coming online soon at a fraction of the costs of the F-22 and F-35s.

F15X

 
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I've been telling people this was a waste for over a decade. The could have continued upgrading the Super Hornet, developed a cheaper supplert role fighter than this waste. The tried doing too much and burned through a 1.72 Trillion (probably more). This is why Kennedy warned of the military industrial complex.
 
You know your stuff. The Strike Eagle has never been bested in combat. Ever.

Against whom? Mig 21s, and the Su22s of the Lebanese and the Syrians in the
incessant wars of the early 1980s over the Bekar Valley. Those primitive planes
and even Mig 23s and Mig 27s do not count. The Israelis in those fight were
using state of the art American equipment; they had the benefit of AWACS
playing QB over the battlefield, and A6 Grawlers jamming the electronics of
the Arabs. That was not a fair fight. The opponents have claimed that they shot
at 24 F15s, but we will never know.

The nearest the F15s have come to fighting a peer country is Red Flag. There
the record is not good, with the Indians racking up kill ratios of 9:1 against
the Eagle. Later on, the Americans were able to exact retribution when theY
hosted Red Flag in Alaska. The Indians complained that Yanks changed the
rules to their own advantage, either way, the Indians featured Su30s, Mig21
Bisons and Jaguars. The Su30s the Indians used were the lesser model; they
retained their flagship Su30MKIs at home to protect sensitive technologies.

Remember that in the encounter between Pakistan and India 2 years ago,
Pakistani F16s fired salvos of American made AIMRAAM air to air missiles
at the Indians, and the Su30s simply swatted them harmlessly out of the sky
with their electronics. And then to add insults to injury, and Indian Mig 21
gave chase to a Pakistani F16 and shot it out of the sky.

The only thing to remember is that the first casualty of war is always truth
The truth is somewhere between what the Russian/Indians and the Israeli/US
are saying.

I am not shitting on the US. I am just saying that someone has taken the
eyes off the ball for too long. The excellent F15 platform should have been
upgraded. The plane should have 3D thrust vectoring engines, stealth
coating on the necessary parts, and whatever improvement are necessary
to keep it the beast it has always been. But no, all the money was put in the
F35, and now that people have realised that it was a lemon, we are going
back 45years to that F15?

IAF claims Su-30 ‘spoofed’ US missiles fired from F-16 (asianage.com)



This is not the answer. The Americans contrasted what their own planes
had done in Syria against what a handful of Su30s and Su34s did to places
like Aleppo, and everywhere else in Syria, and realised they were not going
to get there with F35s and F16s. They went and created their own Su30/Su34
in the Boeing F15ex. The problem is that this is a 45 year old airfraime. The
US is overloading it by putting up to 30,000lbs of ordinance, on a plane that
was not that maneuverable to start with. The US needs to go to the drawing
board and make a modern 4++ gen multirole fighter
 
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That was pretty awesome. Thanks for sharing.

And to think I used to want to get PCS’d to the JPO as a senior acquisition officer:rolleyes: :giggle:
This is annoying. People told them this for a long long long time, and they would
not listen. Almost $2T down the toilet, and now they admit that it was always a
lemon. The F15 platform should have been enhanced while research was going
on to determine what is possible in a stealth fighter. The F22 has its own problems.
The platform cannot be upgraded, can only carry a small radar and few missiles.
So expensive was it, and so many problems did it have, that production was halted,
and even John McCain was happy about that development. How long is Lockheed
Martin going to fuck the tax payer???
 
This is annoying. People told them this for a long long long time, and they would
not listen. Almost $2T down the toilet, and now they admit that it was always a
lemon. The F15 platform should have been enhanced while research was going
on to determine what is possible in a stealth fighter. The F22 has its own problems.
The platform cannot be upgraded, can only carry a small radar and few missiles.
So expensive was it, and so many problems did it have, that production was halted,
and even John McCain was happy about that development. How long is Lockheed
Martin going to fuck the tax payer???
As long as USAF keep awarding them contracts. lol

I used to work in the AEHF program office. They make stellar satellite systems though.
 
You know your stuff. The Strike Eagle has never been bested in combat. Ever. One unofficial account says in Desert Storm. I’d never say the F35 was a bust but the F-22? The US has dominated in air superiority with its tactics , fighters and R&D. The F-22 is not upgradeable unlike the F-35. Besides that our allies have their variations of the F-35 which allows intranet network communication and again they can vector in other ACs into killboxes without being seen. By the time other ACs know they are there it’s too late. It doesn’t need to turn or run although they can do that too all the while giving the finger. The middle. Ironically, the F15X is coming online soon at a fraction of the costs of the F-22 and F-35s.

F15X


No, just a former Grunt who came through under people who had studied Boyd. History teaches that the pencil heads thought the F4 didn't need a gun and that it was the best air superiority fighter after all, it could fly at twice the speed of sound, right?. They found over North Vietnam that 20 year old MiGs flown by Vietnamese with only a few dozen hours of flying time caused BIG problems in 1965 1967, They literally had to strap on guns o the F4s in the field. They also had to start things like Top Gun and Red Flag.

the way the US makes its weapons are a national security and political policy issue that damages its readiness. It appears that it is more important that parts of the F35 be manufactured in all 50 states (thereby spreading the money and programs around) than it be manufacutred cheaply and efficiently. It appears that creating a Swiss army knife instead of a machete, a steak knife and a butter knife is more important. I sincerely doubt that US Marine F35s are going to be allowed - at $200 million per copy - to fly at 100 feet. Those guys are infantry officers first, and are not interested in air-to air "kills" and give a damn about stealth. Helping the marines at the forward edge of battle is their only goal.
 
OP is nothing but a goat fucker that lives to shit on America...... you don't like Americans and don't like it here and do nothing but complain about it here.... soooooo GTFO
If it's so much better where you came from.... why did you leave?????




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