The U.S. Government Lied For Two Decades About Afghanistan

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Using the same deceitful tactics they pioneered in Vietnam, U.S. political and military officials repeatedly misled the country about the prospects for success in Afghanistan.

The Taliban give an exclusive interview to Al Jazeera after taking control of the presidential palace in Kabul, Afghanistan, Aug. 15, 2021 (Al Jazeera/YouTube)

“The Taliban regime is coming to an end,” announced President George W. Bush at the National Museum of Women in the Arts on December 12, 2001 — almost twenty years ago today. Five months later, Bush vowed: “In the United States of America, the terrorists have chosen a foe unlike they have faced before. . . . We will stay until the mission is done.” Four years after that, in August of 2006, Bush announced: “Al Qaeda and the Taliban lost a coveted base in Afghanistan and they know they will never reclaim it when democracy succeeds. . . . The days of the Taliban are over. The future of Afghanistan belongs to the people of Afghanistan.”

For two decades, the message Americans heard from their political and military leaders about the country’s longest war was the same. America is winning. The Taliban is on the verge of permanent obliteration. The U.S. is fortifying the Afghan security forces, which are close to being able to stand on their own and defend the government and the country.
 

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Taliban fighters stand guard along a street in Kabul on 16 August, 2021, after a swift end to Afghanistan's 20-year war (AFP)
 
Those of us who lived through the Vietnam Era recognized it for what it was immediately . We had seen this movie before.
 
Hell the U.S. Government has been lying about damn near everything since the country was founded. Iran calls America the Great Satan. They may be on to something. :rolleyes:
 
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Being an out of the closet puppet of the United States is a death sentence.


"In accordance with the OAS [Organization of American States] position on the need to proceed with the democratic transfer of executive power, a new elected president should succeed President Moise when his term ends on February 7, 2022," State Department spokesman Ned Price said in response to a question from VOA.

"The Haitian people deserve the opportunity to elect their leaders and restore Haiti's democratic institutions,” Price said.

The Biden administration's expression of support is significant for Moise and comes at a crucial time as he faces intense pressure from the political opposition to step down this Sunday.

The opposition accuses Moise of violating the country's constitution by not organizing elections in 2020 and of ruling by decree. That is the basis of its demand for his resignation.

The President of Afghanistan was a sitting duck, just waiting to be killed. In comes this rebellious government that openly opposes the U.S. that people believe is independent of the U.S.
 
Hell the U.S. Government has been lying about damn near everything since the country was founded. Iran calls America the Great Satan. They may be on to something. :rolleyes:
We have witnessed a lot of the lies and are actually helping them to past the lies on to the next generation. We know 911 was a lie. The truth gets choked out and lies become the official story and they expect us to believe the history and other things they try to beat in our heads daily
 
I was looking around and found a couple interesting comments posted on Twitter by them

As confirmed, they are just another cleverly disguised puppet government installed by the U.S., these are not the real Taliban. I posted some statements praising some of their practices regarding women as a ruse, and sure enough they ran to Twitter to say they were going to do the opposite, repudiating me. This gay response is typical in the U.S. but seeing them do this is a red flag.

The real Taliban is dead, these people are just a caricature of the people that existed 20 years ago. It would be like a person claiming they are Black Panther today.


This weak shit was done in Haiti over the vaccines along with other countries. Using their freedom fighting legacy to assist white supremacists.
 
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What the US Didn’t Learn in Afghanistan, According to the Government’s Own Inspector General

A lacerating report this week was the 11th in a clear-eyed series that revealed the US failure to reconstruct Afghanistan over two decades. Why didn’t anyone heed the inspector general’s warnings?

The chaotic collapse of the Afghan military in recent months made starkly clear that the $83 billion U.S. taxpayers spent to create and fund those security forces achieved little. But a new report this week by the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction also reveals the depths of failure of the United States’ entire 20-year, $145 billion effort to reconstruct (or construct, in some cases) Afghanistan’s civil society.

John Sopko, the special inspector general since 2012, has long chronicled the government’s miscalculations. In his latest lacerating assessment, he concluded that “the U.S. government continuously struggled to develop and implement a coherent strategy for what it hoped to achieve.” The U.S. effort was clumsy and ignorant, the report says, calling out the hubris of a superpower thinking it could reshape a country it didn’t understand by tossing gobs of money around.

The new report is a sweeping look back over America’s two decades in Afghanistan, which left 2,443 U.S. servicemembers and more than 114,000 Afghans dead. The watchdog agency has, for 13 years, consistently and accurately pointed out consequential flaws of the many reconstruction programs at play.

ProPublica also examined some of the same issues along the way in a series called “GI Dough.” In 2015, we decided to add up the waste and did an extensive analysis of the causes behind it. Our reporting found at least $17 billion in likely wasted taxpayer dollars at the time. (And that was just out of the small percentage of total spending SIGAR had scrutinized at that point.) To help put those squandered funds into context, we created a game readers could play to see what the money could have bought at home.

The efforts to create a new government and military from scratch were overly ambitious, ProPublica found in 2015. They failed to consider the needs and abilities of Afghans. There was a disregard for learning from past mistakes. (Take for example, soybeans.) And the goals were far too “pie in the sky” for one of the world’s poorest nations, a country still racked by violence. What was happening in Afghanistan was strikingly similar to the failures endured in Iraq just a few years prior.

For its part, SIGAR has dissected a wide variety of breakdowns in its decade-plus of tracking the Afghanistan effort. These reports are not just about a $25 million building no one wanted or would ever use, a $200 million literacy program that failed to teach would-be soldiers how to read, a $335 million power plant the Afghans couldn’t afford to run or even the $486 million spent on planes that couldn’t fly and ended up as scrap metal. What the reports often really highlight is that the underlying assumptions were wrong.

The SIGAR reports form a penetrating body of real-time analysis that reveals little appetite to change course and whose warnings seem to have gone unheeded. Adequately answering the questions SIGAR raised in each report would have forced a wholesale reexamination of the U.S. presence in the country. That never happened.

“This was not a matter of ignoring what was said as much as not wanting to come to grips with the issue, and it was a deliberate choice not to deal with the problems,” said Anthony Cordesman, a policy expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “It wasn’t even a triumph of hope over experience; it was a triumph of political expediency over meaningful policy making.”

According to Cordesman, no one wanted to “preside over a very visible American defeat,” one that would undoubtedly leave behind a destabilized Afghanistan and potential national security disaster. There was, too, he said, a strong contingent of true believers who kept making the argument that success was almost in hand: “I think they were in a state of denial.”

Then there were the military generals and other top officials described in The Washington Post’s revelatory “Afghanistan Papers” in 2019, who were far more interested in spinning a tale of near victory to the public. In addition to assurances that the insurgency was on its heels, officials often trotted out statistics about lower infant mortality rates, increased life expectancy and vastly improved educational opportunities for girls. SIGAR acknowledged such “bright spots” in this week’s report, but concluded that those achievements were not worth the sizable investment and, more important, aren’t sustainable without a continued U.S. presence. In other words: It was all temporary.

SIGAR found that there was a persistent, troubling disconnect between what U.S. officials wanted to be true and what was actually happening. “By spending money faster than it could be accounted for, the U.S. government ultimately achieved the opposite of what it intended: it fueled corruption, delegitimized the Afghan government, and increased insecurity,” the report says. But officials pressed on with “reckless compromises,” including unrealistic timelines for progress, and “simply found new ways to ignore conditions on the ground.”

Diplomatic agencies more suited to the task of nation building were muscled aside by the Pentagon, which was better resourced but lacked the requisite expertise. The State Department and U.S. Agency for International Development, SIGAR reported, didn’t have enough staff to “meaningfully perform that role.”

“If the goal was to rebuild and leave behind a country that can sustain itself and pose little threat to U.S. national security interests,” the report says, “the overall picture is bleak.”

SIGAR’s analysis of the future is equally forbidding. The U.S. is exiting Afghanistan, but history shows we’ll likely jump into nation building again. SIGAR’s report notes that it’s the “11th lessons learned report” in the series, but the heading for the report makes it quite clear that, if the U.S. government is the student, the message hasn’t sunk in. It’s called “What We Need to Learn: Lessons from Twenty Years of Afghanistan Reconstruction.”
 
I suspect the Russians a long time ago invaded Afghanistan to create mistrust of all occupying forces in the Middle East including the United States. Let say I show up terrorizing and abusing people. A counterpart later comes to hand out cookies and ice cream, you will initially mistrust anybody no matter their explicit intentions. The U.S. foolishly based out military in Saudi Arabia and the fundamentalist went off believing there were going to be invaded again.

I suspect they aren't as nuanced between different Caucasian and see them all the same. I would not know the difference between different countries in the Middle East. After 9/11 mosque were attack and surveilled even though they had no involvement. They even attacked/killed Sikhs who just looked Middle Eastern. Prior to 9/11 nobody cared about them and their activity.

The Russians did all kinds of things in the country, wiped out 15% of the population, used chemical weapons, mass rapes, and wanton destruction.
 
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@QueEx

Around 20 years ago, a street cat from NE Ohio was ranting and raving about this bullshit called an Apple Pie fenzy(that eventually lead to the Iraq War). Yeah, I'm done with politics for the most part, but I had to come back to just say your boy was right once again. Hard to believe politicians responsible for this shit got promotions.

The count still has 0 WMDs and 2 bullshit wars thanks to apple pie mania.

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1. Slavery
2. Colonization
3. Genocide of Native Americans
4. Force Assimilation
5. Racial Cannibalism/Prostitution
6. Terrorism to ensure white supremacist ideology is imposed
7. Rampant surveillance/subversion
8. Wealth imbalances favoring whites
9. Racism
10. Genocide

Why would they think Afghanistan would not purge this garbage immediately? Their lack of resistance to the Taliban is a repudiation of the U.S.
 
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