The Spread of Stand Your Ground

QueEx

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Re: 5 Black Men Shot In Tulsa!! WTF's Goin on??!!

Use the 2nd amendment and get strapped up.

I'm a conservative, but I'm a black man also.

Why so many guns?




now please explain how my mind is fucked up.

Please, enlighten me.

There is nothing wrong with being conservative. Most of us might be conservative on one issue or another, depending on how and who is defining the vague term, conservatism.

One important thing, I believe, when one is touting his/her conservatist bravado, is to know who you're keeping company with:



The National Rifle Association (NRA) has systematically manipulated Congress and many State Legislatures into adopting dangerous gun policies, allowing virtually unrestricted and undetectable access to powerful firearms by criminals including gang members, convicted felons and terrorists. These policies combined with the Stand Your Ground (Shoot First and Ask Questions Later) laws enacted in 23 Republican controlled "Red" states result in state sponsored vigilantism, more gun violence, and an increase in unprosecuted homicides. In the process, legislators have tied the hands of law enforcement and rendered prosecutors powerless thereby allowing more criminals and vigilantes to get away with murder. The result: over 30,000 Americans die and more than 100,000 are injured every year from largely preventable gun violence. In fact, over the past 30 years more Americans have died from gun violence, than all U.S. service men and women killed in all foreign wars combined!

The NRA and the gun industry have intentionally created an atmosphere of fear and paranoia designed to sell more guns. A sad result of this fear mongering has been the perpetuation of a cultural war between urban black and suburban white Americans. In 23 states anyone can literally "kill at will" if they simply claim they feel threatened. These NRA inspired racist gun policies overwhelmingly impact urban black Americans and the recent Trayvon Martin and Tulsa, Oklahoma killings are just two of many examples.


<SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">A recent Children's Defense Fund report states that in 2008 and 2009 black males 15-19 years old were eight times as likely as white males to be gun homicide victims. Additionally, black children and teens, while only 15 percent of the population, accounted for 45 percent of the 5,740 child and teen gun deaths during the same period. Further, since the 2005 Stand Your Ground law went into effect in Florida there has been a tripling of homicides that could not be prosecuted</span>.

Sound crazy? Yes. Here are the facts about local and national gun policies the NRA and their supporters in Congress and State Legislatures have successfully opposed and supported.

NRA OPPOSED Federal and State laws requiring criminal background checks or proof of identification for all gun sales. Only federally licensed gun dealers are required to perform criminal background checks, and 33 States do not require background checks for private gun sales. For years, domestic criminals and international terrorists such as al Qaeda and Hezbollah have legally bought assault rifles at U.S. gun shows without detection. Thanks to NRA lobbying efforts even people on suspected Terrorist Watch/No Fly lists are allowed to legally purchase firearms.

NRA OPPOSED a federal ban on military style assault weapons and high capacity ammunition clips like the firearm used to shoot Rep. Gabby Giffords and those used at most school shootings. The NRA has even opposed a ban on .50 caliber sniper rifles capable of disabling an armored vehicle, an airplane or a helicopter at distances of over a mile.

NRA OPPOSED National Consumer Product Safety Commission manufacturing and marketing standards for firearms. Toy guns, teddy bears and every other consumer product, except real guns, are regulated by the federal government. Guns are legally marketed as being "capable of penetrating 48 layers of soft body armor," having finishes "resistant to finger prints" and "capable of taking down an aircraft." These lax standards result in manufacturers marketing directly to criminals!

NRA OPPOSED Federal and State gun licensing and registration laws.

NRA OPPOSED national Safe Storage/Child Access Prevention requirements for firearms.

NRA OPPOSED a ban on armor piercing ammunition designed to penetrate the soft body armor worn by police.

NRA OPPOSED funding for personalized gun technology -- even though 17 percent of police officers are killed by criminals with their own service weapon. Additionally, many children's lives could be saved by simple and inexpensive safety devices.

NRA OPPOSED Federal and State permitting requirements for gun purchases including concealed handguns and military-style assault weapons.

NRA OPPOSED strict sentencing requirements for gun traffickers. The federal maximum sentence for illegal gun trafficking of 200 guns in one year is less than five years in jail.

NRA HELPED ENACT restrictions on law enforcement; the FBI must destroy gun purchase records after 24 hours, and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is prohibited from regulating gun shows, flea markets and private gun sales. Police agencies are prohibited from sharing critical crime gun trace data -- even with other law enforcement agencies. Until recently, police (not criminals who use guns) could face 10 years in jail if they violated this law.​

Instead of supporting common sense gun laws that require responsibility and accountability on the part of gun owners, dealers, manufacturers and law enforcement, the gun industry uses the NRA as a conduit for special interest political contributions that fund the campaigns of officials willing to provide ever expanding firearm markets to criminals. At the same time, the NRA has vilified law enforcement as enemies of gun rights and restricted their ability to investigate and prosecute criminal activity. Not only has the NRA exposed law enforcement to greater risk by arming criminals with weapons often more powerful than police issued weapons, they have made it impossible to protect the public from gun violence. It's no wonder over 150 Americans are shot and 83 die every day from firearms.

It's Open Season in the NRA's America. Criminals can legally buy guns without detection, vigilantes can kill people "at will" for no reason other than the color of one's skin, their religion or being in "the wrong neighborhood." The NRA's racist gun strategy provides a deadly recipe for more gun violence which disproportionately impacts urban and non-white communities and Congress doesn't care. The NRA and their indentured servants in Congress and State Legislatures are simply more concerned with selling guns and preserving their power than in public safety and social justice.


Source.

 
Re: 5 Black Men Shot In Tulsa!! WTF's Goin on??!!

There is nothing wrong with being conservative. Most of us might be conservative on one issue or another, depending on how and who is defining the vague term, conservatism.

One important thing, I believe, when one is touting his/her conservatist bravado, is to know who you're keeping company with:



The National Rifle Association (NRA) has systematically manipulated Congress and many State Legislatures into adopting dangerous gun policies, allowing virtually unrestricted and undetectable access to powerful firearms by criminals including gang members, convicted felons and terrorists. These policies combined with the Stand Your Ground (Shoot First and Ask Questions Later) laws enacted in 23 Republican controlled "Red" states result in state sponsored vigilantism, more gun violence, and an increase in unprosecuted homicides. In the process, legislators have tied the hands of law enforcement and rendered prosecutors powerless thereby allowing more criminals and vigilantes to get away with murder. The result: over 30,000 Americans die and more than 100,000 are injured every year from largely preventable gun violence. In fact, over the past 30 years more Americans have died from gun violence, than all U.S. service men and women killed in all foreign wars combined!

The NRA and the gun industry have intentionally created an atmosphere of fear and paranoia designed to sell more guns. A sad result of this fear mongering has been the perpetuation of a cultural war between urban black and suburban white Americans. In 23 states anyone can literally "kill at will" if they simply claim they feel threatened. These NRA inspired racist gun policies overwhelmingly impact urban black Americans and the recent Trayvon Martin and Tulsa, Oklahoma killings are just two of many examples.


<SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">A recent Children's Defense Fund report states that in 2008 and 2009 black males 15-19 years old were eight times as likely as white males to be gun homicide victims. Additionally, black children and teens, while only 15 percent of the population, accounted for 45 percent of the 5,740 child and teen gun deaths during the same period. Further, since the 2005 Stand Your Ground law went into effect in Florida there has been a tripling of homicides that could not be prosecuted</span>.

Sound crazy? Yes. Here are the facts about local and national gun policies the NRA and their supporters in Congress and State Legislatures have successfully opposed and supported.

NRA OPPOSED Federal and State laws requiring criminal background checks or proof of identification for all gun sales. Only federally licensed gun dealers are required to perform criminal background checks, and 33 States do not require background checks for private gun sales. For years, domestic criminals and international terrorists such as al Qaeda and Hezbollah have legally bought assault rifles at U.S. gun shows without detection. Thanks to NRA lobbying efforts even people on suspected Terrorist Watch/No Fly lists are allowed to legally purchase firearms.

NRA OPPOSED a federal ban on military style assault weapons and high capacity ammunition clips like the firearm used to shoot Rep. Gabby Giffords and those used at most school shootings. The NRA has even opposed a ban on .50 caliber sniper rifles capable of disabling an armored vehicle, an airplane or a helicopter at distances of over a mile.

NRA OPPOSED National Consumer Product Safety Commission manufacturing and marketing standards for firearms. Toy guns, teddy bears and every other consumer product, except real guns, are regulated by the federal government. Guns are legally marketed as being "capable of penetrating 48 layers of soft body armor," having finishes "resistant to finger prints" and "capable of taking down an aircraft." These lax standards result in manufacturers marketing directly to criminals!

NRA OPPOSED Federal and State gun licensing and registration laws.

NRA OPPOSED national Safe Storage/Child Access Prevention requirements for firearms.

NRA OPPOSED a ban on armor piercing ammunition designed to penetrate the soft body armor worn by police.

NRA OPPOSED funding for personalized gun technology -- even though 17 percent of police officers are killed by criminals with their own service weapon. Additionally, many children's lives could be saved by simple and inexpensive safety devices.

NRA OPPOSED Federal and State permitting requirements for gun purchases including concealed handguns and military-style assault weapons.

NRA OPPOSED strict sentencing requirements for gun traffickers. The federal maximum sentence for illegal gun trafficking of 200 guns in one year is less than five years in jail.

NRA HELPED ENACT restrictions on law enforcement; the FBI must destroy gun purchase records after 24 hours, and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is prohibited from regulating gun shows, flea markets and private gun sales. Police agencies are prohibited from sharing critical crime gun trace data -- even with other law enforcement agencies. Until recently, police (not criminals who use guns) could face 10 years in jail if they violated this law.​

Instead of supporting common sense gun laws that require responsibility and accountability on the part of gun owners, dealers, manufacturers and law enforcement, the gun industry uses the NRA as a conduit for special interest political contributions that fund the campaigns of officials willing to provide ever expanding firearm markets to criminals. At the same time, the NRA has vilified law enforcement as enemies of gun rights and restricted their ability to investigate and prosecute criminal activity. Not only has the NRA exposed law enforcement to greater risk by arming criminals with weapons often more powerful than police issued weapons, they have made it impossible to protect the public from gun violence. It's no wonder over 150 Americans are shot and 83 die every day from firearms.

It's Open Season in the NRA's America. Criminals can legally buy guns without detection, vigilantes can kill people "at will" for no reason other than the color of one's skin, their religion or being in "the wrong neighborhood." The NRA's racist gun strategy provides a deadly recipe for more gun violence which disproportionately impacts urban and non-white communities and Congress doesn't care. The NRA and their indentured servants in Congress and State Legislatures are simply more concerned with selling guns and preserving their power than in public safety and social justice.


Source.


I'm just going to talk about the highlighted part.


While this is all true, it does not mean that a law abiding citizen should feel ashamed for owning guns. In fact, if more grown folks would step up to the plate *being positive role models* our situation would be a little bit better. Not to mention, if we ask our politicians to push bills that would stimulate the urban community economic side. Just maybe, there would be more true role models out there for our youth could look up too.
 
Re: 5 Black Men Shot In Tulsa!! WTF's Goin on??!!

Meanwhile . . .



NRA Exec: Coverage of Trayvon ‘Sensational’

ap_NRA_wayne_lapierre_jt_120414_wblog.jpg




A top National Rifle Association official lashed out today at what he called
the “sensational” coverage of the Trayvon Martin case and called <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">violent
crime [just] a fact of life
</span>, in a speech at the group’s annual meeting in
St. Louis.

“Everyday victims aren’t celebrities. They don’t draw ratings, don’t draw
sponsors. But sensational reporting from Florida does. In the aftermath
of one of Florida’s many daily tragedies, my phone has been ringing off
the hook,” the group’s executive vice president Wayne LaPierre said.

Source



Some, like the NRA, blames the media; others, "just . . . [want to] talk about the highlighted part."

Neither choses to look at the "NRA inspired racist gun policies overwhelmingly impact urban black Americans and the recent Trayvon Martin and Tulsa, Oklahoma killings are just two of many examples."



 
Re: 5 Black Men Shot In Tulsa!! WTF's Goin on??!!

. . . and choose not to be enlightened. :(

Enlighten to your so called knowledge.

Meanwhile . . .



NRA Exec: Coverage of Trayvon ‘Sensational’

ap_NRA_wayne_lapierre_jt_120414_wblog.jpg




A top National Rifle Association official lashed out today at what he called
the “sensational” coverage of the Trayvon Martin case and called <SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00">violent
crime [just] a fact of life
</span>, in a speech at the group’s annual meeting in
St. Louis.

“Everyday victims aren’t celebrities. They don’t draw ratings, don’t draw
sponsors. But sensational reporting from Florida does. In the aftermath
of one of Florida’s many daily tragedies, my phone has been ringing off
the hook,” the group’s executive vice president Wayne LaPierre said.

Source



Some, like the NRA, blames the media; others, "just . . . [want to] talk about the highlighted part."

Neither choses to look at the "NRA inspired racist gun policies overwhelmingly impact urban black Americans and the recent Trayvon Martin and Tulsa, Oklahoma killings are just two of many examples."





1 of alleged Tulsa killers says he's not
racist, despite hate crime charge




An Oklahoma man said he doesn't hate African-Americans and counts some
of them among his best friends.
Murder and hate crime charges were filed on
Friday accusing him and another man of killing three strangers because they
were black.

England also talked of growing up and living in North Tulsa, which has a large
African-American community, and saying he had friends of all races.


"I always got along with everybody," he said in the tape, recorded Friday
morning. "It didn't matter what color he was."

In addition to commenting on his girlfriend's suicide in January, England lamen-
ted his father's death exactly two years earlier "at the hands of a f--king n----r"
in an April 5 message on his Facebook page.

England said in the jailhouse interview that he used those words "just to express
how I was upset at the guy who shot my Dad" and they do not mean he was a
racist.​

Source
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I doubt these guys are racists. Thats why they went into a largely African-American section of Tulsa and gunned down 5 apparent strangers - - all of the them black. :puke:

Not a racist bone in their bodies.


With all this being said, I stand by the fact that we, as black men, need to arm ourselves. You can talk about NRA this, and racism that. It all comes to protecting ourselves in our families.

Since when has it became an issue with us arming ourselves? Why the fuck am I being attacked for just speaking truth to the matter?

I get it, since I'm a conservative, even if I say something thats pro-black, and uplifting, it should be challenged, right?

In other words, I could say the sky is blue, and thought would debate me on it, right?

Typical....
 
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source: Huffington Post

Florida's Stand Your Ground Defense More Likely To Succeed If Victim Is Black: Study

A newspaper report has found that the Stand Your Ground self-defense statute in Florida is more likely to succeed when the victim is black.

The Tampa Bay Times looked at 200 cases and found that in instances in which the victim was black, the person who invoked the defense went free 73 percent of the time. If the victim was white, the person walked free 59 percent of the time. The report also found that more than two thirds of all the people who invoked the law were acquitted, and that the defense is being invoked in more and more cases.

"People often go free under 'stand your ground' in cases that seem to make a mockery of what lawmakers intended," wrote the Times reporters. "One man killed two unarmed people and walked out of jail. Another shot a man as he lay on the ground. Others went free after shooting their victims in the back. In nearly a third of the cases the Times analyzed, defendants initiated the fight, shot an unarmed person or pursued their victim — and still went free."

The reporters acknowledged that there is no comprehensive data on "stand your ground" decisions, since police departments and prosecutors often don't indicate why they chose not to arrest or press charges against someone.

The state's law justifies the use of force if " it is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another."

Stand your ground laws -- and Florida's in particular — have come in for particular scrutiny in the wake of the killing of Trayvon Martin in February. The unarmed 17-year-old was shot in Sanford, Fla., as he returned from a convenience store to the house where his father was staying. His shooter, George Zimmerman, told a police dispatcher that Martin looked suspicious, and he shot Martin in the altercation that followed. The case has become a flashpoint in the national debates over racial profiling and gun control.

A majority of Floridians still support the law, according to a Quinnipiac poll from last month. Seventy-eight percent of Republicans surveyed support Stand Your Ground, compared to only 58 percent of Independents and 32 percent of Democrats.

Many of the stand your ground laws around the country were sponsored by the American Legislative Exchange Council, or ALEC, a conservative lobbying group that has come under fire in the aftermath of the Martin shooting. Several large corporations who contributed to ALEC, including Wal-Mart, Coca-Cola and Kraft, have severed ties with the organization in recent months.
 
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