The Official Peter Schiff Thread

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I'm sure you all saw my post about Schiff where all the Wall Street guys were laughing at his predictions. So check it, regardless of whether Ron is a Repub or not, the man knows this money game. When will we start mobilizing around people who have been right about the economy? Bernanke, Geithner, Frank, Pelosi are leading us, as a nation, further into debt. In the words of Peter Schiff, we need more manufacturing and saving not more borrowing to consume! Mr. Obama, support policies that encourage manufacturing!








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Peter Schiff: "Obama Should Fire All Of His Advisors & Ask Ron Paul What To Do"

Anyone agree? I do!

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yes!
The economy is a living organism and its blood is money supply. The problem we are in right now is like having a bleeding cut. All we are doing is pumping blood into the body before we cauterize the wound. It is a waste of funds.

We need to let the price of homes naturally drop b/c if we do get out of this crisis by spending, we did not save the nation from having this crisis happen again. It will happen later in our lifetime and be even more severe.
The price of homes is equivalent to you in a hot air balloon. The money supply is our gas for the balloon. We are high in the air right now but running out of fuel. We only have one gas tank and if we go any higher, then we do not have enough to safely land. We have 2 choices:
1) We can decrease the flame and our use of fuel and try to land safely.
or
2) We can refill the flame's gas with a gas tank onboard and continue to go higher in the sky.

What I am trying to explain is home prices have to crash sooner or later. They were artificially raised and it is unhealthy for them to be this high.
These might be confusing but I tried to explain.
 
Re: Peter Schiff: "Obama Should Fire All Of His Advisors & Ask Ron Paul What To Do"

Peter Schiff is a fraud..ask his clients about their returns based on his hyperinflation and decoupling strategies for investing.

Ron Paul can suck a fat one. Rascist freemason fuck.
 
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Ron Paul can suck a fat one. Rascist freemason fuck.

Right now, I don't care if Ron Paul was a green, 6-fingered Klansman (which he isn't, relax). He clearly understands the problem and how to attack it. You need to realize that Geithner, Bernanke, and Greenspan created this crap so to trust that they will fix the problem is the height of idiocy.

Peter Schiff is a fraud.

Peter Schiff was right! Sounds like you want to be featured in Peter Schiff was right Part 2

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Re: Peter Schiff: "Obama Should Fire All Of His Advisors & Ask Ron Paul What To Do"

How many people voted for Ron Paul? Get over it!
 
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How many people voted for Ron Paul? Get over it!

It's not the man, it's the message! End the Wars Now, Protect our civil liberties, and Audit/End the Federal Reserve!
 
Re: Peter Schiff: "Obama Should Fire All Of His Advisors & Ask Ron Paul What To Do"

Right now, I don't care if Ron Paul was a green, 6-fingered Klansman (which he isn't, relax). He clearly understands the problem and how to attack it. You need to realize that Geithner, Bernanke, and Greenspan created this crap so to trust that they will fix the problem is the height of idiocy.



Peter Schiff was right! Sounds like you want to be featured in Peter Schiff was right Part 2


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Peter Schiff said that other nations would be prospering during the economic downturn (decoupling theory) and he has been proven wrong. His investing strategy has cost investor losses ranging around 40%. Matter of fact, people are RUNNING to the U.S. Dollar because investors see that the rest of the world is more screwed than we are. (I.E. Great Britain, France, Spain and any other dumb nation that was stupid enough to buy into our debt.)

Peter Schiff said that hyperinflation would run rampant. We're in the midst of a massive deflationary cycle since middle 2008. I would advise for you to look into the actual meaning of inflationary/deflationary cycles before you come at me with some BS.

Ron Paul is a fraud. He sits on one of the most powerful committees in the House and did nothing but postulate before Ben Bernanke and the Bankers. Abolish the Fed? Yay. That would mean instant collapse because all the central banks of the world are interconnected (through currency, bonds, treasuries, etc markets) and abolishing one major central bank AT THIS POINT would require the dismantling of the entire banking system since most of the central banks operate on a Fiat currency platform. If Ron Paul thinks taking out the Fed is the best answer then he better have one hell of a plan to make sure the U.S. and Global economy is not affected by such an action.
 
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Peter Schiff said that other nations would be prospering during the economic downturn (decoupling theory) and he has been proven wrong. His investing strategy has cost investor losses ranging around 40%.

Who didn't lose in 2008? However, Peter doesn't invest for short-term profits. We've just witnessed Gold jump of about $50 this week. His mining stocks will gain as well. Gold and silver have retained their value throughout history and should show significant gains in 2009 and beyond.

Peter Schiff said that hyperinflation would run rampant. We're in the midst of a massive deflationary cycle since middle 2008. I would advise for you to look into the actual meaning of inflationary/deflationary cycles before you come at me with some BS.

Wait until the money from the bailout works its way through the system, then the stimulus (purely hyperinflationary!) Every economic boom is always followed by a deflationary bust, I understand business cycles. Also, When you have an expansion in the money supply without an equal expansion in productivity, it leads to inflation (all day, everyday!)

Ron Paul is a fraud. He sits on one of the most powerful committees in the House and did nothing but postulate before Ben Bernanke and the Bankers.

Paul is the only one standing up to Bernanke and calling him on his actions. It's Barney Frank that doesn't know whats going on! I don't like the Fed simply because of Executive Order 11110. I got a question for you, Why should we pay the Fed interest on our debt when Congress could issue currency interest-free?

In regards to postulating before the Bankers, refer to the vote for the $800bn last fall :yes:
 
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Paul is the only one standing up to Bernanke and calling him on his actions. It's Barney Frank that doesn't know whats going on! I don't like the Fed simply because of Executive Order 11110. I got a question for you, Why should we pay the Fed interest on our debt when Congress could issue currency interest-free?

In regards to postulating before the Bankers, refer to the vote for the $800bn last fall :yes:

I agree with everything you said, except...

what does Executive Order 11110 have to do with the Fed?

These two things really have no relationship to one another.

Though, in my opinion, the government should either have the authority to mint OR...

the authority to print,

but not both.
 
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Peter Schiff said that other nations would be prospering during the economic downturn (decoupling theory) and he has been proven wrong. His investing strategy has cost investor losses ranging around 40%. Matter of fact, people are RUNNING to the U.S. Dollar because investors see that the rest of the world is more screwed than we are. (I.E. Great Britain, France, Spain and any other dumb nation that was stupid enough to buy into our debt.)

Peter Schiff said that hyperinflation would run rampant. We're in the midst of a massive deflationary cycle since middle 2008. I would advise for you to look into the actual meaning of inflationary/deflationary cycles before you come at me with some BS.


You throw a lot of darts..... your bound to hit something on the board.... I mentioned something similar to Makk... if Schiff was this prophet that everyone is making him out to be, his fund wouldn't have lost so much damn money. Anyone can propose a lot of theories and sometimes they may be right. However, the proof is in the pudding. I would much rather take advice from Warren Buffet than Peter Schiff. He was somewhat right on in some of his proclamations.. but a video here or there doesn't fully encapsulate what he has proposed over the years as you have pointed out..so you have to still take him with a grain of salt

And as an American who lives overseas, I can vouch for people swarming to the U.S. dollar ironically. The dollar, in the country I'm living in, has gained 50 percent of its value in the last several months..has had a huge recovery against the local currency...and a ton of U.S. dollars have returned back to the U.S. instead of being invested here in Brasil... people still see the U.S. as the safest large country to place their capital..despite our recession.... although we are moving to a more flat world economy..the reality of the matter is still that the U.S. is the big fish in the pond.
 
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I agree with everything you said, except...

what does Executive Order 11110 have to do with the Fed?

On June 4, 1963, Executive Order 11110 was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. See, if we as a nation, issued our own currency, we wouldn't charge ourselves interest.

When President John Fitzgerald Kennedy signed this Order, it returned to the federal government, specifically the Treasury Department, the Constitutional power to create and issue currency -money - without going through the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank.
http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/thefederalreserve.htm
 
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Re: Peter Schiff: "Obama Should Fire All Of His Advisors & Ask Ron Paul What To Do"

On June 4, 1963, Executive Order 11110 was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. See, if we as a nation, issued our own currency, we wouldn't charge ourselves interest.

When President John Fitzgerald Kennedy signed this Order, it returned to the federal government, specifically the Treasury Department, the Constitutional power to create and issue currency -money - without going through the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank.
http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/thefederalreserve.htm

I already tried to explain this to Cruise in another thread. Lincoln, to finance his Civil War effort, also issued debt free currency.
 
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I already tried to explain this to Cruise in another thread. Lincoln, to finance his Civil War effort, also issued debt free currency.

Right, but Cruise is a smart dude. Once people understand that the Federal Reserve is a private central bank for the US, hopefully we can take steps to make real change in monetary policy. My ultimate question is: Why should we, as a nation, pay interest on the debt to the Fed when Congress has authority to issue currency interest-free? We have to spread the word! ;)
 
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Right, but Cruise is a smart dude. Once people understand that the Federal Reserve is a private central bank for the US, hopefully we can take steps to make real change in monetary policy. My ultimate question is: Why should we, as a nation, pay interest on the debt to the Fed when Congress has authority to issue currency interest-free? We have to spread the word! ;)

My former co worker was a Ron Paul fanatic and attended one of his small rallies. I asked him this..Why would a man who openly advocates the deconstuction of one of the most profitable schemes in the world be able to live? John F Kennedy was serious about it and got killed. James Garfield was serious about it and got killed. Abraham Lincoln was serious about it and got killed. Andrew Jackson was serious about it and was nearly impeached for doing the right thing. Ron Paul has gotten no such reprieve...I asked my co worker did he ever stop to think that maybe when he dropped his ballot for the primaries that maybe the Government is trying to weed out the people who MAY present a problem when they decide to get REAL with its citizens. Pro-Gun, Anti Fed, Peoples "Champion" Ron fucking Paul? You think there could be a setup somewhere?

Now the Government is aware of your knowledge of how fraudulent the Fed is and now know where you live, where you work, what you do in your spare time, etc, etc..You have exposed yourself by listening to a stooge.
 
Re: Peter Schiff: "Obama Should Fire All Of His Advisors & Ask Ron Paul What To Do"

Excuse my ignorance but I thought that Schiff was "the man" after watching how videos from Fox.

After reading this thread and doing some googling it looks like he might have been lucky more than right.

Nice informative thread.
 
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From Wikipedia...

Executive Order 11110 was issued by President John F. Kennedy on June 4, 1963.

This executive order allows the U.S. Secretary of the Treasury to issue $4.29 billion in silver certificates ($2 and $5 Notes) against silver bullion based on authority delegated by the President to the Secretary under the Thomas Amendment to the Agricultural Adjustment Act.

The Federal Reserve System could replace the certificates, but only in larger denominations. The thrust of the Order returned the authority to issue new silver certificates (and specify denominations) back to the U.S. Treasury.

The Federal Reserve was in no jeopardy here. JFK was just looking for more money (without going in debt), not to challenge the Fed.

I discussed this in the Burning Down the House thread.

Plus, Lincoln, with his so-called debt-free money still caused inflation in the economy and basically robbed people of their wealth (the legal tender law is a devious device).

Peter Schiff understands you can't print your way to prosperity. All you end up doing is misallocating your resources and creating bigger government.

Now if bigger government is prosperity, then I can see why someone calls Peter Schiff off the mark.
 
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The Federal Reserve was in no jeopardy here. JFK was just looking for more money (without going in debt), not to challenge the Fed.

But it was in jeopardy! The US Note JFK introduced would be seen as a competing currency because it was interest-free. And since it was an instrument of wealth (backed by silver), as opposed to an instrument of debt (Federal Reserve Note), the instrument of wealth would be the preferred currency by the people. Isn't it scary, the US Notes were taken out of circulation immediately after his assassination.
 
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But it was in jeopardy! The US Note JFK introduced would be seen as a competing currency because it was interest-free. And since it was an instrument of wealth (backed by silver), as opposed to an instrument of debt (Federal Reserve Note), the instrument of wealth would be the preferred currency by the people. Isn't it scary, the US Notes were taken out of circulation immediately after his assassination.

You didn't read my linked post. :rolleyes:

First, know Gresham's Law... bad money chases out good money (sometimes called race to the bottom).

So, if US Notes are good money, why would anyone use them? Instead, they would hoard them.

Second, all US currency at the time (greenbacks, silver certificates, gold certificates, federal reserve notes) was redeemable in silver. All of them!

Third, Kennedy wanted to avoid debt, but not because he cared about sound money. He wanted to avoid Congress.
 
Peter Schiff Is On Some Wild Ish

There it is, buy Gold Now

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Schiff's book 'Crash Proof' is required reading in Saudi Arabia for MBA students! He responds to recent attacks

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Peter Schiff vs. Chris Dodd

Listen to Dodd 3 minutes in: "the fundamentals are sound" Stop listening to the people who don't know nothin! Peter Schiff is right again

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A Message From Peter Schiff

Its my duty to share this with you

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Peter Schiff On Ben Bernanke 60 Minutes Interview!

The Chinese were Predatory lenders! :lol:

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Hate to break the news to you, but that notion is WRONG.

Read Peter Schiff's book Crash Proof: How to Profit From the Coming Economic Collapse.

Crash Proof: How to Profit From the Coming Economic Collapse Audiobook

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All of the assholes on CNBC, Neil Cavuto's or any other program concerning finance has called him Chicken Little and he consistantly proved them wrong.

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Peter Schiff Commentary - Dough For Dumps!!!!!

After having given away billions faster than even the optimists had anticipated, it was announced today that the federal government's "Cash for Clunkers" program is coming to an early end. But, based on the standards of economic analysis which prevail in Washington, Wall Street and academia, the program must be considered a master stroke of public policy. These experts will tell you that by mandating that citizens destroy older (but still working) vehicles to receive $4,500 toward the purchase of a new car, the program not only revved up the economy by encouraging Americans to borrow more, but it may have, perhaps, made some great strides in saving the planet by reducing carbon emissions.

With this solid win-win now on the books, the time has come to put the strategy to work in other areas. For instance, the government could use these lessons learned to help the moribund housing sector. I propose the "Dough for Dumps" stimulus program. Here's how it would work:

Homeowners struggling to make payments on environmentally inefficient homes can apply for government aid to destroy their old homes and receive guaranteed loans to buy newly constructed houses, provided they are furnished with the latest "green" advancements in energy systems and building materials. As with the "Cash for Clunkers" program, this plan would solve many problems at once.

First, it will help put a floor under falling home prices by reducing the glut of houses currently on the market. The best way to stop prices from falling, and thereby reduce the foreclosure wave, is to reduce supply.

Left alone, the market would do this by lowering prices, which would bring more buyers into the market. But this approach falls on the back of homeowners whose only crime was to overpay for a house. A more socially equitable method would be for all taxpayers to shoulder the burden through a government bulldozing program.

In addition to contracting the supply of homes, the program would also stimulate the economy by providing funds to hire environmentally savvy builders and contractors (not to mention the workers needed to demolish the old homes). The resulting demand would help to reduce unemployment, especially in the housing sector. Government incentives and subsidies could also give an important boost to the developers and manufacturers of "green" windows, solar heating systems, furnaces and water systems.

Once this program has rejuvenated the real estate market, citizens should also be encouraged to burn their old furniture and clothing, thereby sparking demand for new goods from our nation's struggling retailers. When you think about it, the possibilities are endless. :D

If these proposals seem ridiculous, it is because they are. But they are no less ridiculous than the "Cash for Clunkers" program that inspired them. All are examples of the "broken window" fallacy of economics, which argues that economic activity can be stimulated by the need to replace something that has been destroyed.

Unfortunately, many of our "best" economists subscribe to the notion. But society gains nothing from redundant activities. Digging holes just to fill them up does employ workers, but the work offers no benefit to anyone not receiving the wage. Absent government incentives, such a job would create no profit and could only exist as a result of a subsidy from someone else. Such work also prevents workers from accomplishing tasks that create real wealth and actually benefit society.

In the case of "Cash for Clunkers," the government provided an incentive for citizens to destroy otherwise working assets, fully owned by their users, in exchange for a smattering of "green" tech and a lot more debt. Could anyone look at our country now and determine that our problems stem from a lack of new cars? Given our level of economic output, it is likely that we already have too many cars. On the other hand, it should be obvious to anyone that American consumers are already burdened by too much debt. The program distorts the market by giving car owners a powerful incentive to take out new loans for cars they may not need.

The environmental benefits of the program are much more difficult to quantify and extremely unlikely to overcome the waste inherent in the wanton destruction of working assets. On a practical level, the premature shelving of working cars will add extra pressures to our waste management capacity, and create emissions and pollution through the compaction/incineration processes that accompanies disposal. On an abstract level, this program punishes every consumer who sought to be ahead of the curve in environmental responsibility by using their own resources to upgrade a clunker. Some may think twice before making such a move without government money on the table.

More fundamentally however is the question of making wise decisions in a recession. Given the fragility of our finances, we should use our resources wisely, pay down our debt, replenish our depleted savings, and make investments in time and energy that offer a tangible benefit. The "Cash for Clunkers" program is the exact opposite of what we need and a glaring example of the lack of economic understanding currently on tap in Washington.

http://europac.net/externalframeset....52&type=schiff
 
"they're not gonna be able to control me!"

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Member of the European Parliment recommends Peter Schiff and the Austrian School!

Why should we pay attention to Peter Schiff? Well, here’s one pretty convincing reason: he accurately and exactly predicted the recent crash. I don’t just mean that he said that there were bad times coming. A man who constantly predicts downturns will If you want to understand what’s happening to the world economy, read Peter Schiff’s new book (co-written with his brother Andrew): How an Economy Grows and Why it Crashes. You don’t need any background in economics to understand it; an intelligent child could follow its arguments.

I mean that quite seriously. When Peter and Andrew were small boys, their father, Irwin Schiff, an anti-Keynesian economist and tax refusenik, used to tell them stories as a way of teaching them basic economic principles.

Imagine, for example, three men on an island, each of whom catches one fish per day. It takes all day to catch a fish with your hands, and you need to eat one fish each day. Then suppose that one man chooses to go hungry for 24 hours and uses the time to make a net, allowing him to catch two fish per day. What should he then do with his extra fishes? Should he lend his surplus fish to the other men, enabling them to eat while building their own nets? (Their nets might fail, meaning that he would lose his investment; but he could compensate for the risk by demanding that they pay him back two fish for his loan of one.) Should he build two more nets and rent them out to the others? Or should he simply consume his extra daily fish?

The Schiff brothers begin with this simple thought-experiment, and build it up, gradually introducing the concepts of specialisation and comparative advantage, inter-island trade, paper money, government, taxation and national debt. In simple language, and with logical steps, they take the island from its three-man closed economy to, as it were, the present day: a bubble in hut prices which prompts an unwise island senate to print more and more fish-credit-notes.

Why should we pay attention to Peter Schiff? Well, here’s one pretty convincing reason: he accurately and exactly predicted the recent crash. I don’t just mean that he said that there were bad times coming. A man who constantly predicts downturns will necessarily be correct every ten years or so. No, I mean that he foresaw the collapse in sub-prime mortgages, that he was right about when it would happen and that he explained why it would happen. He has, in short, earned the right to be listened to.
 
Gold, The Dollar, Markets, The Fed, Inflation & Rahm Emmanuel

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Schiff is BACK!!

http://www.safehaven.com/article/19191/more-stimulus-means-fewer-jobs

More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs

By: Peter Schiff | Fri, Dec 3, 2010 Share

Today's payroll report severely disappointed on the downside and left economists scratching their heads to explain the weakness. The explanation, however, is plain as day. As I have been saying for years, the US economy will not create jobs as long as the Fed keeps interest rates artificially low, and Congress keeps stimulating spending and consumer debt, punishing employers with mandates, regulations, and taxes, crowding out private investment with massive government borrowing, and preventing market forces from restructuring our out-of-balance economy.

As new data comes in that continues to bolster my hypothesis, the politicians in Washington continue to follow the wrong diagnosis, while ignoring evidence that their policy prescription has failed. Rather than reassessing the effectiveness of their remedy, they are merely prescribing more of the same.

No doubt the 9.8% unemployment rate (17% when counting the under-employed or discouraged workers) will spark another extension of unemployment benefits, which will provide yet additional incentives for the unemployed not to work. In addition, we will likely get another round of stimulus - paid for with higher budget deficits - that will further hinder the capital investment and business formation necessary to produce sustainable jobs. Then, the inflation created by the Fed to finance those deficits will send consumer prices higher, making life that much harder for all Americans, regardless of their employment status.

(full text posted in this BGOL thread)
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?p=9187500#post9187500
 
Schiff is president and chief global strategist of Euro Pacific Capital Inc., a broker-dealer

Another Wall Street leech! I wonder how much tax payer money this looser got from the Fed!
 
Schiff ran for Chris Dodd's soon to be open Senate seat here in CT and didn't even make it out of the GOP primaries - losing that to Linda McMahon. McMahon lost the election to current CT AG - soon to be Senator Blumenthal.

Here in CT the people just didn't respond to his "being right" about everythinghe was right about. Beyond being right you have to do the politics - you know act right and look right.
 
Schiff ran for Chris Dodd's soon to be open Senate seat here in CT and didn't even make it out of the GOP primaries - losing that to Linda McMahon. McMahon lost the election to current CT AG - soon to be Senator Blumenthal.

Here in CT the people just didn't respond to his "being right" about everythinghe was right about. Beyond being right you have to do the politics - you know act right and look right.


It's difficult for a politician to demagogue in the Northeast. That is why there are very few Republicans that win there. The Northeast is generally better educated, wealthier, has lower unemployment and more dynamic than the south, which is a republican strong hold.
 
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