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LeBron's finals record is not as bad as you think.

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LeBron is 2-4 in the NBA Finals, but that ain’t so bad.

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JUN. 2, 2016 AT 2:17 PM

LeBron’s Finals Record Isn’t Really A Disappointment
By Sharon B. Katz

Filed under NBA Playoffs

LeBron James is in the NBA Finals for a sixth-consecutive season, and fairly or unfairly, his 2-4 record in the finals will be held up next to Michael Jordan’s 6-0 record and the marks set by other MVPs as evidence of some failing on his part. Jordan got his six, Bill Russell went 11-1, and Kobe Bryant managed a 5-2 record in the finals, but the count-the-rings argument breaks down for a simple reason: LeBron’s teams simply weren’t expected to win many of those series.

In fact, LeBron never played for a team that entered the finals with more than a 2-in-3 chance of winning, according to ESPN’s BPI, and he had less than a 33 percent chance to win in three of his finals losses – with the Cleveland Cavaliers against the Spurs in 2007 and the Warriors in 2015, and with the Miami Heat against the Spurs in 2014. And in a few of those six seasons, it was a minor miracle that LeBron’s teams made the finals at all given the relative weakness of his supporting cast and team’s odds of advancing throughout the playoffs.

YEAR OPPONENT CHANCE TO WIN
2007 San Antonio Spurs 13%
2011 Dallas Mavericks 63
2012 Oklahoma City Thunder 51
2013 San Antonio Spurs 66
2014 San Antonio Spurs 31
2015 Golden State Warriors 28
2016 Golden State Warriors 25
LeBron James’s chances to win the NBA Finals
SOURCE: ESPN’S BASKETBALL POWER INDEX

By that measure, LeBron’s teams have already made about 2.5 more finals appearances than would be expected given their pre-playoff BPI chances in 11 playoff appearances. But understandably, few are eager to praise one of the greatest players of all time for simply making the finals.


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This tension between crusty old ring count and more sober statistical outlooks is nothing new, but to reconcile the two we need a tool that goes back further than ESPN’s BPI. Elo ratings, a staple of FiveThirtyEight, are the perfect vehicle by which to investigate further.

We pulled the Elo ratings for each team to make the NBA Finals before the series began, accounted for home-court advantage and projected each team’s pre-finals chance of winning. We then compared LeBron to other NBA MVPs who appeared in five or more finals – 10 other all-time greats meet this standard.

So how does LeBron stack up?

Even after accounting for the pre-finals expectations, it’s not surprising that LeBron’s finals record pales in comparison to Russell’s — 11 titles in 12 finals appearances from 1957 to 1969 — and Jordan’s. Even after accounting fordominance by Russell’s Celtics and Jordan’s Bulls, both players still won about two more titles than expected, given their team’s pre-finals chance to win.

PLAYER FINALS APPEARANCES EXP. WINS EXP. WIN PERCENTAGE ACTUAL WINS WINS ABOVE EXP.
Bill Russell 12 8.6 72% 11 +2.4
Michael Jordan 6 4.0 66 6 +2.0
Magic Johnson 9 4.0 45 5 +1.0
Tim Duncan 6 4.1 68 5 +0.9
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 10 5.1 51 6 +0.9
Bob Cousy 7 5.5 79 6 +0.5
Shaquille O’Neal 6 3.6 60 4 +0.4
Kobe Bryant 7 4.8 69 5 +0.2
Larry Bird 5 3.0 61 3 +0.0
LeBron James 6 2.3 39 2 -0.3
Wilt Chamberlain 6 3.6 61 2 -1.6
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What may be surprising, however, is that LeBron’s teams have won about as many titles as expected (0.3 fewer than expected, to be exact) because his teams simply were not supposed to win many of those series. LeBron had by far the lowest expected series win percentage of any of the stars (39 percent), which is a result of the strength of his teams relative to that of the opponents he’s faced. This brings us to an important point: Because this is based on pre-finals projections, the impressiveness of those aforementioned miracle runs to the finals (such as the 2007 Cavaliers) doesn’t show up in the ledger.

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Unlike Jordan, who entered the finals with at least a 65 percent chance to win four times, LeBron rarely played for a team that was a prohibitive finals favorite. Meanwhile, he is now about to enter his fifth Finals as an underdog, at least using Elo, something Jordan faced once in his career — when the Bulls had a 46 percent chance to beat the Jazz in 1998. When the Cavs lost last year’s finals with an injury-depleted roster, LeBron had one of thegreatest statistical series by a player in NBA history. Not only was he the first player to lead both teams in points, rebounds and assists per game in an NBA Finals, but he nearly single-handedly won Games 2 and 3 for the Cavs.

Nonetheless, LeBron and the Cavs again find themselves as big underdogs in this year’s finals. A loss will only continue the narrative of his flopping on the biggest stage, but accounting for his team’s pre-finals expectations, a fifth finals loss would only be about 0.6 more than he should have, given preseries expectations for all seven series.

On the other hand, if the Cavs upset the Warriors – which would be the second-biggest upset by any MVP on this list — LeBron will actually have 0.4 more titles than expected, and his three titles in seven finals appearances would have been harder to achieve than Kobe’s five titles in the same number of trips. Or to translate that to sports cliché: LeBron would still have a losing record in the finals, but he’d have earned his rings the hard way.

Sharon B. Katz is an analytics writer for ESPN’s Stats & Info Group.
 
I know they pray Houston win tomorrow, that's their best match up
Not sure about this.
Golden State's iso-ball is easier to deal with than Houston's. The Dubs seem to have lost their way. Where's their ball movement? When they move the rock, no one can stay with them. KD looks like Westbrook with all of his forced shots.
 
Not sure about this.
Golden State's iso-ball is easier to deal with than Houston's. The Dubs seem to have lost their way. Where's their ball movement? When they move the rock, no one can stay with them. KD looks like Westbrook with all of his forced shots.

I don't know about about that. The warriors run a motion offense with four shooters that can hit from anywhere plus they play solid defense. Houston to me runs four corner with Harden holding the ball for 15 seconds. Plus he doesn't play defense. I rather face Hardens drive and kick than an offense where anybody is going to shoot
 
I don't know about about that. The warriors run a motion offense with four shooters that can hit from anywhere plus they play solid defense. Houston to me runs four corner with Harden holding the ball for 15 seconds. Plus he doesn't play defense. I rather face Hardens drive and kick than an offense where anybody is going to shoot
Both of your above points are true, but the Warriors have not played this way for a full game against the Rockets this entire series. Moreover, their usually solid team D was MIA for the first half of game 6. I don't understand why they're playing away from their strengths. It's illogical. When they do what they're built to do, no one can compete with them. I will be very upset if they let the Houston Rockheads win game 7. (D'antoni hate)
 
Both of your above points are true, but the Warriors have not played this way for a full game against the Rockets this entire series. Moreover, their usually solid team D was MIA for the first half of game 6. I don't understand why they're playing away from their strengths. It's illogical. When they do what they're built to do, no one can compete with them. I will be very upset if they let the Houston Rockheads win game 7. (D'antoni hate)


Man they said they gonna slap some icey hot with a ben gay mixture on Paul and let him go out there. He is going to be terrible. That hamstring is like a old worn out rubber band. It's done. But seriously. Harden hold the ball too long with that skip to my lou bullshit dribble. He scores, is great but I don't see them winning it. Golden State has too much firepower and defense.
 
Man they said they gonna slap some icey hot with a ben gay mixture on Paul and let him go out there. He is going to be terrible. That hamstring is like a old worn out rubber band. It's done. But seriously. Harden hold the ball too long with that skip to my lou bullshit dribble. He scores, is great but I don't see them winning it. Golden State has too much firepower and defense.
GS should win, but only if they get back to basics. This last series, they've been playing like they're too cool for defense. Why try to out-ISO Houston when you can do something they can't: have four guys with 20+ points. They shouldn't even be playing a game 7, TBH.
On a related note, 70% of what Harden does to score is actually illegal.
This reminds me of when Shaq was the 'face of the league'. He would elbow players in the face intentionally, then get the whistle in his favor. (Kings v. Lakers, for example) Once he was no longer 'the guy' in the NBA, the refs would call the offensive foul on him, like they always were supposed to. The league is trying to create a scoring environment at any cost.

One more thing: is this Paul's last chance to get to the NBA Finals?
 
GS should win, but only if they get back to basics. This last series, they've been playing like they're too cool for defense. Why try to out-ISO Houston when you can do something they can't: have four guys with 20+ points. They shouldn't even be playing a game 7, TBH.
On a related note, 70% of what Harden does to score is actually illegal.
This reminds me of when Shaq was the 'face of the league'. He would elbow players in the face intentionally, then get the whistle in his favor. (Kings v. Lakers, for example) Once he was no longer 'the guy' in the NBA, the refs would call the offensive foul on him, like they always were supposed to. The league is trying to create a scoring environment at any cost.

One more thing: is this Paul's last chance to get to the NBA Finals?

I said the same thing. Like wtf GS? Y’all should have been done with this 3 against 8 shit. 3 people for Houston score against the ungodly assault of 8 Golden State guys.You right but unlike Shaq this Houston crew never won it. I honestly don’t think Paul will win it if he doesn’t get it this year unless he is a reserve. Harden be pushing, elbowing and poking mf in the eyes and shit when he be driving. They caught him a few times for the offensive fouls. But if Paul doesn’t get it this year it would be tragic. Like Barkley. He tries to act like it don’t hurt him he never won a ring but he cries. You know where...
 
It’s been a pleasure watching brons maturation. Was in Chicago during the Jordan Rules and that was a hellava ride! Had everybody wanting to be like Mike!
King James? Next level. YUP!

P.S. love the way PK be clocking CAC’s on the ice!
 
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