The mirage of the Black middle class

The crux of the article is that no matter what income you are or how much education you have as a Black person in Amerikkka you're screwed, something reparations would greatly alleviate.
The same reparations that Obama (since you brought him up) was vehemently against, because it would anger cacs and immigrants.

I read the article and I tell you this much: This article should be seen as financial literacy and education problem facing the Black Community. Dee (the first person mentioned in the article) didn’t need to amassed the credit card she amassed and maybe took out a larger student loans for college than she should had (I wish I had more information about the college debt). Also, she lives in Hudson Valley, probably paying a good amount in taxes depending where she is at. I don’t think that reparation should the main focus on this article but more about financial literacy and how Blacks have a uphill battle to gain that knowledge compared to Whites. Truth be told, I don’t think people should be concern about home values being less in one community than another (I don’t mind living in cheaper house), we need to figure out the education and jobs gap and how to hold educators and elected officials accountable for education provided to our children and hold ourselves accountable in doing what needs to get done to elevate ourselves.
 
I read the article and I tell you this much: This article should be seen as financial literacy and education problem facing the Black Community. Dee (the first person mentioned in the article) didn’t need to amassed the credit card she amassed and maybe took out a larger student loans for college than she should had (I wish I had more information about the college debt). Also, she lives in Hudson Valley, probably paying a good amount in taxes depending where she is at. I don’t think that reparation should the main focus on this article but more about financial literacy and how Blacks have a uphill battle to gain that knowledge compared to Whites. Truth be told, I don’t think people should be concern about home values being less in one community than another (I don’t mind living in cheaper house), we need to figure out the education and jobs gap and how to hold educators and elected officials accountable for education provided to our children and hold ourselves accountable in doing what needs to get done to elevate ourselves.
the home is valued cheaper or less only because YOU live it. The value of the home can be leveraged in the future if need be, the higher the value the more leverage you have getting loans for say starting a business or better rates for home repairs etc.

the legacy (and continued practice ) of redlining lowers the value of a property simply because a black family or person occupies the space in it.

Thats something you should mind...
 
the home is valued cheaper or less only because YOU live it. The value of the home can be leveraged in the future if need be, the higher the value the more leverage you have getting loans for say starting a business or better rates for home repairs etc.

the legacy (and continued practice ) of redlining lowers the value of a property simply because a black family or person occupies the space in it.

Thats something you should mind...
You could only leverage your home if only 1. Have equity 2. You have at least decent credit.
Also for your information, the vast majority Whites aren’t their homes for business credit, loans to start business. They are using money from family, friends and other means of private money. It is the same way Jews and Asians do it.
 
You could only leverage your home if only 1. Have equity 2. You have at least decent credit.
Also for your information, the vast majority Whites aren’t their homes for business credit, loans to start business. They are using money from family, friends and other means of private money. It is the same way Jews and Asians do it.
regardless your home is stilled valued less than the white neighbor with the same credit rating because you live in it.
 
Fuck a politician.

We dont need them.

We can grow our money by pooling it together, only spending it on each other, dont spend big on depreciating assets, invest in your education, your kid's education, and assets you will be able to leave your kids.

:rolleyes2:

 
I have no respect for a white / Neanderthal that has not found success in the USA. All the advantages and all the rules in your favor and still get beat out because of lack of talent, laziness and entitlement? :smh:

if it wasn’t for racism/white oppression, the so-called white race would be at the bottom of the totem pole in less than a year.

100% Agree.

Except instead of a hoax I would call it a scam.

A real estate developer finds an empty slice of land in the neighborhood between two big cities. The government lets the developer put up houses because the property taxes more than cover the costs of police, fire, schools, utility and roads.

But first they got to get people to buy them.

So they tell this big lie that a house on that block will bring you comfort, security and wealth . They shame you by saying that if you can't or don't buy this house then you're a loser who doesn't care about their family.

Everything works fine, until there's an economic crisis and people start to move. The city starts losing money so they push for even more development so they can pay the bills on the last set of houses.

Eventually developers no longer want to build there. The city can no longer afford services so the neighborhood falls into disrepair and becomes a slum.

It's nothing more than a big ass Ponzi scheme it's also the reason why the city would rather build low-income housing than refab the abandoned houses they already have.
 
So many thoughts when I read stories like this, but sometimes I asked how are these people budgeting their money? So you need to live in NYC. Would getting another job or a part time gig help?
I always find that some people don’t simply write down their expenses which can be helpful.
Yes many of us have been shun out, but a lot of thriving as well.

The woman in the article is simplg living above her means.
 
everything you said then they charge them more or give them fucked up deals:

Princeton University sociologist Douglas Massey and research associate Jacob Rugh, who in a new study found that racial segregation and discriminatory lending made U.S. minorities "uniquely vulnerable" to the housing bust:

Foreclosures are hitting African-American and, to a lesser extent, Hispanic communities across the U.S. harder than white neighborhoods, the researchers found. As an aside, this isn't to downplay the damage to anyone, regardless of creed or color, who faces losing their home. But it is to recognize that in the years preceding the housing crash, predatory lenders targeted certain groups more than others.
Indeed, until the 1990s many minorities couldn't even get a mortgage. That changed during the housing boom. And interestingly, it was for reasons directly related to shifts in the financial industry that contributed to the ensuing bust.

Before that time, banks were reluctant to lend to borrowers with weaker credit because of concerns that such loans would go bad. But the rise of securitization, in which loans are sliced up and sold to investors, encouraged lenders to get into the subprime business because they were no longer on the hook if the mortgages underlying the securities ultimately defaulted. To use the industry jargon, the "originate-to-hold" lending model largely gave way to an "originate to distribute" approach.


That had two effects: Lenders saw a reduced risk of pooling high-risk mortgages into CDOs and other financial instruments; and banks needed to find more borrowers to satisfy the growing demand for mortgage-backed securities.

As a result of these developments, from 1993 to 2000 the share of subprime mortgages going to minority households leaped from 2 to 18 percent. So when the housing bubble popped, the damage was most intense in these areas. The foreclosure rate for subprime mortgages in 2009 was nearly 16 percent, compared to 4.6 percent overall. Say the researchers:


It's easy to assume that the higher level of foreclosures in larger cities and collar suburbs reflect the lower incomes of residents in such communities. That's false, say Massey and Rugh, who did a statistical analysis of the 100 largest U.S. metropolitan areas. African-American borrowers with similar credit profiles, down payment ratios and other demographic characteristics were more likely to receive subprime loans than white borrowers, they found. Minorities were also far more likely than whites to get mortgages with unfavorable terms, such as a prepayment penalty.
Such findings are consistent with lawsuits against lenders alleging that they preyed on minorities. A former senior executive with Wells Fargo (WFC) last year described the banking giant's efforts to push subprime loans on African-Americans. Consistent with Massey's and Rugh's findings, she also said company loan officers had financial incentives to steer minority borrowers into subprime loans regardless of their credit or income.


so its more than just folks living above their means in many cases their ENCOURAGED TO DO SO...because the broker tells them they can.

Lets be honest we all agree that MOST people are bad with money and if thats the case then MOST people don't know their true financial worth nor do they understand the finer details of mortgage and home loan dealing but its more than straight ignorance its also purposeful deception. People trust financial officers in the same way they trust their doctors... ASSUMING they're doing something that's in their best interest and not using them as guinea pigs.

Minorities are especially vulnerable to this for a number of factors.

Yes, a lot of people got scammed, including my father-in-law who nearly lost his own house on a subprime mortgage.

The main reason he kept it was that he did some digging and found out that his income and credit qualified him for a 30-year mortgage. He sued BOA for discrimination and put the settlement towards his payments.

However, the crucial part was that he didn't buy more house than he needed and stayed within his means.

A lot of folks who got duped bought properties that were completely over the top and had no chance of ever being paid off. If you are a rookie bus driver in Las Vegas it should be obvious that you can't afford a six bedroom mini mansion 10 minutes from the strip regardless of what the bank tells you.

I think a big part of it is the American culture of self-esteem and confidence. The idea that "whatever you believe you can achieve" is just as much to blame as shady bankers.
 
Yes, a lot of people got scammed, including my father-in-law who nearly lost his own house on a subprime mortgage.

The main reason he kept it was that he did some digging and found out that his income and credit qualified him for a 30-year mortgage. He sued BOA for discrimination and put the settlement towards his payments.

However, the crucial part was that he didn't buy more house than he needed and stayed within his means.

A lot of folks who got duped bought properties that were completely over the top and had no chance of ever being paid off. If you are a rookie bus driver in Las Vegas it should be obvious that you can't afford a six bedroom mini mansion 10 minutes from the strip regardless of what the bank tells you.

I think a big part of it is the American culture of self-esteem and confidence. The idea that "whatever you believe you can achieve" is just as much to blame as shady bankers.

it isn't so much "whatever you believe you can achieve" it more of living in a consumer-based capitalistic society that conditions people from birth to be consumers and materialistic and avaricious. It's why our monetary system moved to credit. workers are consumers in fact they are the BULK of consumers..that means the guy that MAKES hamburger is also the guy who BUYS hamburgers.. The top 1 or 10% can buy only so many iphones and new gadgets..meanwhile, the lower workers are the ones being encouraged to keep pace with buying all the new shit.

The complaint, filed Monday in a federal court in Pennsylvania, alleges that Wells Fargo violated the Fair Housing Act of 1968 by “steering” minority borrowers into mortgages that were more expensive and riskier than those offered to white borrowers, according to court documents.

The complaint says that between 2004 and 2014, African American borrowers were twice as likely to receive high-cost loans when compared with white borrowers with similar credit backgrounds. Latino borrowers were 1.7 times as likely to receive costly loans when compared with white borrowers, the lawsuit claims.

Many borrowers also were rejected later when they applied for credit that would have allowed them to refinance those more-expensive loans, according to the complaint. As a result, minority borrowers faced higher rates of foreclosure — a pattern that also hurt the city by leading to lower property taxes and more frequent incidents of vandalism and crime, the lawsuit claims.


The lawsuit says Wells Fargo is among the major banks with a “history of redlining” in Philadelphia, a practice traced back to the 1930s that involves denying credit to borrowers in certain communities because of their race or ethnicity.

In order to steer blacks and latinos into those loans they have to talk them into it by offering all kinds of supposed incentives. So that rookie bus driving who grew up on life styles of the rich and famous and BLING and all the consumer shit of the last 50 years WANTS to live in that mini mcmansion and the brokers are telling him or her it can happen if they take on such and such a loan deal. And its doable because we can make the payments low and spread out and blah blah blah...

Its all a scam but one thats been run since before the day you were born literally.

but thats just one aspect of it the other is what happened to your father in law:

Numerous quantitative studies have found that black and Latino borrowers over the past decade were frequently charged more for mortgage loans than similarly situated white borrowers (e.g. Bayer, Ferreira, and Ross, 2015; Been, Ellen, and Madar, 2009; Bocian et al., 2011; Courchane, 2007; Rugh, Albright, and Massey, 2015). Even after controlling for credit scores, loan to value ratios, the existence of subordinate liens, and housing and debt expenses relative to individual income, Bayer, Ferreira, and Ross (2015) found that black and Latino borrowers in all of the seven metropolitan areas they studied were significantly more likely to receive a high-cost loan than others. These results held for both low- and high-risk borrowers and regardless of age. Rugh, Albright, and Massey (2015) similarly found that black borrowers in Baltimore overall ended up paying five percent more for their mortgages than white borrowers, again controlling for credit scores and other background characteristics.

Although quantitative evidence consistently demonstrates disparities in loan costs, the specific individual-level mechanisms through which discriminatory lending occurs remains largely unexplored. We do not know, for example, how the employees of bank and non-bank lenders identified black and Latino borrowers to target for high cost loans and how they gained those borrowers’ trust.




In this context, predominantly black and Latino communities shifted from being objects of economic exclusion to targets for financial exploitation by intermediaries seeking to expand the pool of loans available for securitization (Squires, 2005). After being denied credit for years these communities represented an untapped market with established home equity and ample room for increased homeownership populated by borrowers with little financial experience
(Botein, 2013). The persistence of high levels of racial segregation combined with structural changes in the lending industry thus facilitated the development of a structurally segmented mortgage market that offered separate and unequal loan products to disadvantaged borrowers located in black and Latino neighborhoods, particularly large numbers of high-cost, subprime loans (Apgar and Calder, 2005; Hwang, Hankinson, and Brown, 2015; Engel and McCoy, 2002; Hyra et al., 2013; Rugh and Massey, 2010; Steil, 2011; Williams, Nesiba, and McConnell, 2005).

Roughly two-thirds of subprime loans in the early 2000s were made not to new home purchasers but to individuals who already owned their homes and were refinancing them (Mayer, Pence, and Sherlund 2009). During the 1990s up to one out of every three borrowers given subprime or high-cost loans were, in fact, eligible for prime loans (Mahoney and Zorn, 1996). By 2006, 62 percent of subprime borrowers actually qualified for prime loans (Brooks and Simon, 2007). Of home purchase loans made in 2006, roughly one out of every two loans made to African American (53 percent) and Latino (46 percent) borrowers were high-cost, compared to fewer than one out of five loans made to white borrowers (18 percent) (Been, Ellen, and Madar 2009). Similarly, for refinance loans made in 2006, 52 percent of black refinance borrowers and 39 percent of Latino refinance borrowers received high-cost loans compared to only 26 percent of white borrowers (Been, Ellen, and Madar 2009). Even after controlling for available loan and household characteristics, such as income, black home purchase borrowers were more than twice as likely to receive a subprime loan as white borrowers and the likelihood of receiving a subprime loan actually increased with household income, calling into question claims that subprime loans were given to riskier borrowers (Faber 2013). The systematic channeling of otherwise qualified minority borrowers into subprime mortgages carrying high costs and risks was one form of reverse redlining (Squires, 2005).1

 
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Yes, a lot of people got scammed, including my father-in-law who nearly lost his own house on a subprime mortgage.

The main reason he kept it was that he did some digging and found out that his income and credit qualified him for a 30-year mortgage. He sued BOA for discrimination and put the settlement towards his payments.

However, the crucial part was that he didn't buy more house than he needed and stayed within his means.

A lot of folks who got duped bought properties that were completely over the top and had no chance of ever being paid off. If you are a rookie bus driver in Las Vegas it should be obvious that you can't afford a six bedroom mini mansion 10 minutes from the strip regardless of what the bank tells you.

I think a big part of it is the American culture of self-esteem and confidence. The idea that "whatever you believe you can achieve" is just as much to blame as shady bankers.
I know my opinion isn't popular, but I don't remember pistols being held to heads in order to get them to sign for fucked up mortgages. It's like you said. Some shit should be obvious. Unfortunately, we live in a country where predators can prey, but at the same time people are told shit ain't their fault. When people don't have any fucking accountability, they become EASY marks for predators.

If the bank says you can take out 200k, that don't mean take out 200k. And why sign for an adjustable mortgage? People did the simplest shit. Another thing. How in theeeeeeee fuck do people let realtors tell them where to look for homes? In this day and age? Adults have to stop acting like children. That's white woman shit.

'Lawmakers' like Barnie Frank encouraged this recklessness. They actually got clips of him saying two completely different things about 3-4 years apart. It's unbelievable. I thought the videos were fake. These politicians stay fucking shit up then copping pleas. :smh:
 
it isn't so much "whatever you believe you can achieve" it more of living in a consumer-based capitalistic society that conditions people from birth to be consumers and materialistic and avaricious. It's why our monetary system moved to credit. workers are consumers in fact they are the BULK of consumers..that means the guy that MAKES hamburger is also the guy who BUYS hamburgers.. The top 1 or 10% can buy only so many iphones and new gadgets..meanwhile, the lower workers are the ones being encouraged to keep pace with buying all the new shit.

The complaint, filed Monday in a federal court in Pennsylvania, alleges that Wells Fargo violated the Fair Housing Act of 1968 by “steering” minority borrowers into mortgages that were more expensive and riskier than those offered to white borrowers, according to court documents.

The complaint says that between 2004 and 2014, African American borrowers were twice as likely to receive high-cost loans when compared with white borrowers with similar credit backgrounds. Latino borrowers were 1.7 times as likely to receive costly loans when compared with white borrowers, the lawsuit claims.

Many borrowers also were rejected later when they applied for credit that would have allowed them to refinance those more-expensive loans, according to the complaint. As a result, minority borrowers faced higher rates of foreclosure — a pattern that also hurt the city by leading to lower property taxes and more frequent incidents of vandalism and crime, the lawsuit claims.


The lawsuit says Wells Fargo is among the major banks with a “history of redlining” in Philadelphia, a practice traced back to the 1930s that involves denying credit to borrowers in certain communities because of their race or ethnicity.

In order to steer blacks and latinos into those loans they have to talk them into it by offering all kinds of supposed incentives. So that rookie bus driving who grew up on life styles of the rich and famous and BLING and all the consumer shit of the last 50 years WANTS to live in that mini mcmansion and the brokers are telling him or her it can happen if they take on such and such a loan deal. And its doable because we can make the payments low and spread out and blah blah blah...

Its all a scam but one thats been run since before the day you were born literally.

but thats just one aspect of it the other is what happened to your father in law:

Numerous quantitative studies have found that black and Latino borrowers over the past decade were frequently charged more for mortgage loans than similarly situated white borrowers (e.g. Bayer, Ferreira, and Ross, 2015; Been, Ellen, and Madar, 2009; Bocian et al., 2011; Courchane, 2007; Rugh, Albright, and Massey, 2015). Even after controlling for credit scores, loan to value ratios, the existence of subordinate liens, and housing and debt expenses relative to individual income, Bayer, Ferreira, and Ross (2015) found that black and Latino borrowers in all of the seven metropolitan areas they studied were significantly more likely to receive a high-cost loan than others. These results held for both low- and high-risk borrowers and regardless of age. Rugh, Albright, and Massey (2015) similarly found that black borrowers in Baltimore overall ended up paying five percent more for their mortgages than white borrowers, again controlling for credit scores and other background characteristics.

Although quantitative evidence consistently demonstrates disparities in loan costs, the specific individual-level mechanisms through which discriminatory lending occurs remains largely unexplored. We do not know, for example, how the employees of bank and non-bank lenders identified black and Latino borrowers to target for high cost loans and how they gained those borrowers’ trust.




In this context, predominantly black and Latino communities shifted from being objects of economic exclusion to targets for financial exploitation by intermediaries seeking to expand the pool of loans available for securitization (Squires, 2005). After being denied credit for years these communities represented an untapped market with established home equity and ample room for increased homeownership populated by borrowers with little financial experience
(Botein, 2013). The persistence of high levels of racial segregation combined with structural changes in the lending industry thus facilitated the development of a structurally segmented mortgage market that offered separate and unequal loan products to disadvantaged borrowers located in black and Latino neighborhoods, particularly large numbers of high-cost, subprime loans (Apgar and Calder, 2005; Hwang, Hankinson, and Brown, 2015; Engel and McCoy, 2002; Hyra et al., 2013; Rugh and Massey, 2010; Steil, 2011; Williams, Nesiba, and McConnell, 2005).

Roughly two-thirds of subprime loans in the early 2000s were made not to new home purchasers but to individuals who already owned their homes and were refinancing them (Mayer, Pence, and Sherlund 2009). During the 1990s up to one out of every three borrowers given subprime or high-cost loans were, in fact, eligible for prime loans (Mahoney and Zorn, 1996). By 2006, 62 percent of subprime borrowers actually qualified for prime loans (Brooks and Simon, 2007). Of home purchase loans made in 2006, roughly one out of every two loans made to African American (53 percent) and Latino (46 percent) borrowers were high-cost, compared to fewer than one out of five loans made to white borrowers (18 percent) (Been, Ellen, and Madar 2009). Similarly, for refinance loans made in 2006, 52 percent of black refinance borrowers and 39 percent of Latino refinance borrowers received high-cost loans compared to only 26 percent of white borrowers (Been, Ellen, and Madar 2009). Even after controlling for available loan and household characteristics, such as income, black home purchase borrowers were more than twice as likely to receive a subprime loan as white borrowers and the likelihood of receiving a subprime loan actually increased with household income, calling into question claims that subprime loans were given to riskier borrowers (Faber 2013). The systematic channeling of otherwise qualified minority borrowers into subprime mortgages carrying high costs and risks was one form of reverse redlining (Squires, 2005).1


you put out a lot of great information, and I'm assuming that it didn't come from some guy in a trench coat in an underground parking lot.

Yet somehow people still trust banks? Even when they're making the biggest financial decision of their entire lives?

That's why I can't accept that this is just about deception. It seems like there's a strong culture of financial ignorance and living beyond your means here as well. I mean we're talking about a country where most people believe that wealth and opulence are a sign of God's Divine favor. a country where poor people risk their necks to defend millionaires because they believe their own millions are just a prayer away.
 
I know my opinion isn't popular, but I don't remember pistols being held to heads in order to get them to sign for fucked up mortgages. It's like you said. Some shit should be obvious. Unfortunately, we live in a country where predators can prey, but at the same time people are told shit ain't their fault. When people don't have any fucking accountability, they become EASY marks for predators.

If the bank says you can take out 200k, that don't mean take out 200k. And why sign for an adjustable mortgage? People did the simplest shit. Another thing. How in theeeeeeee fuck do people let realtors tell them where to look for homes? In this day and age? Adults have to stop acting like children. That's white woman shit.

'Lawmakers' like Barnie Frank encouraged this recklessness. They actually got clips of him saying two completely different things about 3-4 years apart. It's unbelievable. I thought the videos were fake. These politicians stay fucking shit up then copping pleas. :smh:

Let's be real. The people who got screwed were victims, but that doesn't mean that a lot of them didn't make terrible decisions.

suppose I parked my car in a dark alley and leave the doors unlocked. If I come back two days later I see that somebody stole the stereo no, it's not my fault. Yes, I'm the victim of a crime, but at the same time I really should have known better.
 
you put out a lot of great information, and I'm assuming that it didn't come from some guy in a trench coat in an underground parking lot.

Yet somehow people still trust banks? Even when they're making the biggest financial decision of their entire lives?

That's why I can't accept that this is just about deception. It seems like there's a strong culture of financial ignorance and living beyond your means here as well. I mean we're talking about a country where most people believe that wealth and opulence are a sign of God's Divine favor. a country where poor people risk their necks to defend millionaires because they believe their own millions are just a prayer away.

Homie..its not just the financial industry that does this... people don't realize how much they have to TRUST strangers in their daily lives....

Youre not a mechanic so you TRUST that the guy fixing your car because its making a noise won't over charge you or claim to fix it and not really fix it or use inferior parts but charge you as if he didn't.

We already discussed doctors and how people feel about the medical industry

and lawyers...geez how many people are in jail because they TRUSTED their lawyers counsel over theyre own gut feeling...and took a plea deal when they should have fought it.

Why would the financial world function any different and why would people not trust the well dressed well spoken (mostly white) males who smile in their face and say we can get you into that home you want or get you a good deal for that loan you NEED?
 
Let's be real. The people who got screwed were victims, but that doesn't mean that a lot of them didn't make terrible decisions.

suppose I parked my car in a dark alley and leave the doors unlocked. If I come back two days later I see that somebody stole the stereo no, it's not my fault. Yes, I'm the victim of a crime, but at the same time I really should have known better.

That analogy doesn't work because how would you know that Wells Fargo a reputable bank with a long history of existence is in fact that dark alley? And your financial security is like that stereo that got swiped...

How would you know??
 
Homie..its not just the financial industry that does this... people don't realize how much they have to TRUST strangers in their daily lives....

Youre not a mechanic so you TRUST that the guy fixing your car because its making a noise won't over charge you or claim to fix it and not really fix it or use inferior parts but charge you as if he didn't.

We already discussed doctors and how people feel about the medical industry

and lawyers...geez how many people are in jail because they TRUSTED their lawyers counsel over theyre own gut feeling...and took a plea deal when they should have fought it.

Why would the financial world function any different and why would people not trust the well dressed well spoken (mostly white) males who smile in their face and say we can get you into that home you want or get you a good deal for that loan you NEED?

And that's why you do what you can to need these people as little as possible. Necessary evils are still evil

That analogy doesn't work because how would you know that Wells Fargo a reputable bank with a long history of existence is in fact that dark alley? And your financial security is like that stereo that got swiped...

How would you know??

How could you not know?

This so-called reputable bank has a history of charging their customers billions of dollars worth of overdraft fees. Not only is that practice incredibly predatory and illegal in most countries, but these bastards went even further and set up accounts behind their customers back just so that they could collect more fees. On top of that, they were secretly taking out car insurance policies on their auto loan customers with the intent of bankrupting them so they could repossess the car.

Why the hell would anybody trust them with a home loan?
 
And that's why you do what you can to need these people as little as possible. Necessary evils are still evil



How could you not know?

This so-called reputable bank has a history of charging their customers billions of dollars worth of overdraft fees. Not only is that practice incredibly predatory and illegal in most countries, but these bastards went even further and set up accounts behind their customers back just so that they could collect more fees. On top of that, they were secretly taking out car insurance policies on their auto loan customers with the intent of bankrupting them so they could repossess the car.

Why the hell would anybody trust them with a home loan?
as opposed to who else?? if you dig enough you'll find abhorrent dirt on every bank. They literally get you coming and going.

put it this way....did you tell your father in law that he should have known better when he told you how he got fucked over?? did you :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
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as opposed to who else?? if you dig enough you'll find abhorrent dirt on every bank. They literally get you coming and going.

put it this way....did you tell your father in law that he should have known better when he told you how he got fucked over?? did you :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

No. All of this happened before I met him.

However if I knew then what I know now I would have advised him not to accept a subprime loan because it defeats the purpose of financing a house. Without a fixed housing price you're better off renting and putting the extra money into a vanguard fund.

I'll admit that I fell for a lot of the same scams that most Americans do, but that's because I came from a country where most of those scams are illegal. It's hard to be prepared for something you've never had to worry about.

Every bank has a dark past. Unfortunately they are also a necessary evil. The best thing we can do is consumers is to be aware of these scams and teach each other how to avoid them.
 
Let's be real. The people who got screwed were victims, but that doesn't mean that a lot of them didn't make terrible decisions.

suppose I parked my car in a dark alley and leave the doors unlocked. If I come back two days later I see that somebody stole the stereo no, it's not my fault. Yes, I'm the victim of a crime, but at the same time I really should have known better.
Exactly. :yes:

And here's the problem. Folks coddling the 'victims' and saying it's not your fault, bad banker. Banker bad. Well, they just ensure that this keeps happening. AMERICANS REFUSE to own responsibility for shit they do.

Any fucking adult who doesn't know an adjustable rate mortgage is a bad idea is a fucking clown IMHO. Any adult who doesn't know it's not a good idea to spend all your money on a house is also circus material. The problem is that AMERICANS refuse to use the tools in front of them.

You see how man people can't even be bothered to google the simplest shit? You see how many Americans need help with even the simplest shit? They REFUSE to take action to learn.

Credit cards can be classified as predatory IMHO. Look how high that fucking interest is if a user doesn't pay down the balance. It can be argued the interest is criminal. People spend years paying that shit back. But once again, people have to know what they are signing up for. It's adulting.
 
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