The Geithnerconomy and the New Cold War

Spectrum

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I don't agree with all of Umair's points, but he gives an interesting perspective

http://blogs.harvardbusiness.org/haque/2009/03/cold_war.html

Let's make a deal. We'll make some bets together, and you get a fifth of the upside - but only a fiftieth of the downside.

Seems awfully generous of me, doesn't it? That's the plea the Geithner Plan makes to hedge funds.

Unfortunately for the global economy, the dollar, and, well, your future, that's a great bet for funds - but a terrible bet for the rest of us. The probable outcome of the Geithner plan is going to make today's crisis look like a zit on the face of the Elephant Man.

Why? Let's get the beancounting out of the way. For staking $30 billion out of $1 trillion, funds take a 17% of the profits. Think about the inequity inherent in that equation for a second.

Funds share 17% of the upside - but only share 3% of the downside. That's the cold hard logic of why the Geithner plan isn't likely to work: because it doesn't fix the yesterday's perverse incentives. Sound familiar? It should: it's the same recipe for moral hazard that created this mess in the first place. What adds insult to irony is Geithner's other inverse magic trick. He simply replaced leverage from banks with leverage from...us.

Yet, that's just the tip of the iceberg. The Geithner plan is a weapon of social, political, and economic mass destruction. Here's why.

The Geithner plan is a financial coup d'etat
. The Geithner plan is the most radical - and radically toxic - cure for a financial disease in recent history. From an organizational point of view, it is nothing short of revolution: a financial coup d'etat. Yesterday, public expenditure and private investment were kept vastly separate - because of their vastly differing goals and incentives. The Geither plan merges them, creating an entirely new kind of financial economy altogether.

Welcome to Looting 2.0
. What does that financial system look like? In it, everything is a hedge fund. The Geithner economy is Milton Friedman's revenge from beyond the grave: it is one that puts the allocation of public resources in a very small number of almost totally hidden private hands. The Geithnerconomy is a kind of financial Frankenstein: run by hedge funds, leveraged by the public, whose interests overlap by only 20%. The problem of toxic incentives hasn't gone away: in fact, the Geithner plan institutionalizes and explodes it, like a biological weapon infecting an entire country.

What do these payoffs create the incentive for? For hedge funds to loot the public on a mega-scale. Heads, funds win. Tails, you lose.

Wait - hasn't it always been so? Not a chance. Never before in financial history has so much money been in the hands of so few, with so little transparency, and such clearly toxic incentives. Never before in financial history has the richest country in the world actively, irreversibly, and so radically merged public expenditure with private investment.

The financial coup d'etat lays the seeds of a Great Divergence
. Last week, I discussed how the AIG bailout was the most pernicious kind of cronyism - not even crony capitalism, but crony socialism. When we zoom out, that's exactly what the curiously lopsided payoffs hedge funds get are. How would you like it if Geithner offered you or your company the opportunity to invest at the same risk/return profile? Of course, you won't get the chance.

What was, with the AIG bailout, a mere crack in the economic firmament is now a gaping fissure. The result of the financial coup d'etat is a Great Divergence: we we have two economies running in parallel: capitalism for the poor, and socialism for the rich. The former essentially subsidizes the latter endlessly and perpetually.

Shades of Karl Marx? Sure. Except this time, it's not a prediction: it's reality.

The Great Divergence is igniting a new Cold War
. The Great Divergence is, I think, going to give rise to a new cold war. Yesterday, there was a cold war between capitalism and socialism, conducted across nations: the Soviet Republics + China, and America + the European states stared one another down.

The New Cold War will be conducted within nations. Whether you're in China, Russia, America, or Europe, the new cold war will pit citizens of the same countries against one another, sharply reversing what it means to be a citizen, a capitalist, or a CEO.

Yesterday, capitalists ruled the world. Today, socialists do: if you're a hedge fund, you should be kissing your copy of Das Kapital. Yesterday, CEOs and the poor couldn't have had more different values and interest. Today, they are both pitted against crony socialists.

The New Cold War looks like this. Hedge fund manager vs CEO, plutocrat vs prole, Gatsby vs Galt.

The New Cold War is a battle between economic democracy and economic feudalism. In a democracy, you pay taxes, and elected administrators allocate those financial resources for the common good. In feudalism, taxes are appropriated from you, and allocated by private hands that the public cannot influence, for the private good. In Feudalism 2.0, hedge fund managers are essentially lords to whom people are vassals. You have the right to benefit from your financial assets - but fund managers are who determine their value. In the Geithnerconomy, the salaryman is the new slumdog.

What's the biggest difference between economic democracies and feudal systems? Economic democracies grow. Feudal economies eat themselves from the inside.

That was a pretty heavy post - so fire away in the comments and let's discuss. What do you think of the Geithner Plan?
 

Young Sir

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BGOL Investor
The New Cold War is a battle between economic democracy and economic feudalism. In a democracy, you pay taxes, and elected administrators allocate those financial resources for the common good. In feudalism, taxes are appropriated from you, and allocated by private hands that the public cannot influence, for the private good. In Feudalism 2.0, hedge fund managers are essentially lords to whom people are vassals. You have the right to benefit from your financial assets - but fund managers are who determine their value. In the Geithnerconomy, the salaryman is the new slumdog.

Now this is scary.. :smh:
 

The Dark Mind

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BGOL Investor
Wait. I have a serious question about all of this.

I've been following this as close as I can and well...

There doesn't seem to be any buffers in the system.

Like with electricity in electrical components. There are usually rubber buffers and ground connectors to keep electricity from going everywhere and frying everything in an interconnected system of equipment.

OR A Better analogy...

Like wooden buffers in a domino show setup. When people setup those elaborate domino shows, while building and putting everything in place, they usually put big wooden blocks or leave gaps so if they accidentally knock over some dominoes, it doesn't take down all the dominoes in a gymnasium or stadium. Just the ones in the section they are working.


What I'm asking is this...

When does money become completely devalued?????

The whole thing looks too interconnected. :smh: :smh: :smh: I have a good idea how the Fed reserve is supposed to work. I think I have a good concept of Fractional Reserve Lending.

The whole thing looks like a scam.

That combined with the really good article that was posted...
The End of Wall Street's Boom
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=328757

And now all the political bullshit "new cold war" as well as the chance for new 'hot wars.'

Damn there looks like there are no buffers. You get to knocking down the wrong dominoes in the wrong combination,
and you could really fuck up the value of money all over the planet!!! :smh: :smh: :smh:

There doesn't seem to be any buffers to stop all of this.

I don't like what I'm seeing. :smh: :smh: :smh:

Maybe I'm looking at this wrong??? I don't like this. :smh: :smh: :smh:
 

GAMETHEORY

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BGOL Investor
Barack Obama: "I am not removing Timothy Geithner from the post of Treasury Secretary , now or in the future."

George McGovern: "I support my running mate Thomas Eagleton 110%."

Gadzooks, what political blunders!

Obama will lose the last of his media credibility when he has to eat his words and cut Geithner loose. That will be in less than two months, I expect.
 

SIDESHOW

Uncle Juice
BGOL Investor
"Yesterday, public expenditure and private investment were kept vastly separate - because of their vastly differing goals and incentives. The Geither plan merges them, creating an entirely new kind of financial economy altogether."

This right here, is leaving an uneasy feeling in my stomach.

To say we're heading into uncharted territory, would be putting it mildly. I don't know fam...:smh:
 

The Dark Mind

Lifetime Member
BGOL Investor
"Yesterday, public expenditure and private investment were kept vastly separate - because of their vastly differing goals and incentives. The Geither plan merges them, creating an entirely new kind of financial economy altogether."
This right here, is leaving an uneasy feeling in my stomach.

To say we're heading into uncharted territory, would be putting it mildly. I don't know fam...:smh:

Yeah that bothered me too.
 

Flawless

Flawless One
BGOL Investor
i understand Bama got defend his decisions but damn geithner was a fucked up choice he needs to drop that kid fast
 

GAMETHEORY

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BGOL Investor
Geithner went straight from the Fed Res NY to the Treasury. He was point man for Hank Paulson. He covered Goldman Sachs' back throughout the crisis. He was party to the AIG payout.

Many of us warned at the outset that with this track record Obama was choosing the wrong man. But we were ignored, as usual.

NOW we see Geithner doing exactly the same things as Paulson tried to do under Bush II. Exactly the same.

Now the guy that mandates this state of affairs chose to run for president on the theme "change". But when it comes to Wall Street, there is no change.

Obama got more money from Wall Street than anybody else. He's clearly giving his backers a return on their investment.

A last opportunity to loot the Treasury.

His presidency has failed.
 

mylife134

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Geithner went straight from the Fed Res NY to the Treasury. He was point man for Hank Paulson. He covered Goldman Sachs' back throughout the crisis. He was party to the AIG payout.

Many of us warned at the outset that with this track record Obama was choosing the wrong man. But we were ignored, as usual.

NOW we see Geithner doing exactly the same things as Paulson tried to do under Bush II. Exactly the same.

Now the guy that mandates this state of affairs chose to run for president on the theme "change". But when it comes to Wall Street, there is no change.

Obama got more money from Wall Street than anybody else. He's clearly giving his backers a return on their investment.

A last opportunity to loot the Treasury.

His presidency has failed.

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