The Devil

[melonpecan]

Now we done seen folks over the net, (and on the front board), talk about how Disney the devil, and Walt hated the Jews, and The Lion King was trying to get kids to have sex...I don't know what's real or not with all that shit but what I do know is that I grew up on some of these movies and some of them I had a good time with. Lion King made me cry though.


But I digress. I go digging through the closet and what do I pull out but Cinderella. Grandma bought granddaughter a Cinderella dress and tiara, (though we pay no attention to the 'unlike me' face on the front), and she sees this as the princess dress and get up. Fine. I tell my daughters every day that I love them and that they are beautiful; I don't want their self worth to be determined by some movie. Fine. But just to show how hard we as adults have it, (you don't have to be a parent to continue to promote self beauty to youngins'), I gotta dig in on Disney for a second.


(Now listen and tell Fantasia to go away!)



I never liked this new Disney Princess line. I always felt like something was wrong with it...watching Cinderella I figured out what it is:

Dude. Seriously?

4:00 mark​

I'm watching this movie and I'm feeling all nostalgic and I'm actually enjoying myself. Never mind I realize that this chick just got married in three days time or that she was literally raped of her clothes by her sisters, but I was feeling good that beautiful people on the inside will triumph over those that are ugly inside. And then when my child realize this is her princess dress on the tv and I go get the tiara I had to ask myself-

When the fuck did Cinderella go blond?​

I knew I had a hard time ahead of me raising two girls in this day in age where the tiniest bit can spark insecurity and mental disorders in our children not to mention with the internet and its advertising that can factor into it as well. I don't really have high hopes or expectations for Disney or the company, but does it make sense to change her hair? The only reason I can see is to promote the 'white is right' plan that has brainwashed the masses. What other age is appropriate to start the campaign than when they are young? But come on...there is a fine line between propaganda and just being plain ridiculous. Both of them are white..it's not like Cinderella magically turned into Princess Tiana. So why the need to make her blond? Sometimes I get on and start rambling, but I was just as curious as all get out thinking about this.



I ask your opinion again: why the need to make her blond?

 

[Lady-Wiz]

she was a blond at the begining where it's showing the clips with her father
I think her hair is just dirty when when she was a servant

 

[Mo-Better]

Your views on Disney are correct. Checkout YouTube there's loads of "now banned" Disney cartoons that deal with race and propaganda.

As for Disney's last cartoon release it was racist and demeaning many people don't see it. Every princess Disney had created was beautiful surrounded by wealth and associated with only the upper echelon of society, until the princess became one of color. But none of this is new for Disney. Even the Roger Rabbit movie reeked of racism. Take a real close look at those characters you'll see it.

Is Disney the devil in disguise? I say yes but again so many don't see the ills of their productions. Disney's racism is very subtle but its always there.

All I can say is for parents to educate your children. Don't just sit your children down in front of a TV and allow their minds to be poisoned while your chilling with a smoke or drink. Disney continues to promote the pureness and righteousness of being white while other colors are let's just say challenged.

BTW Disney is not the only company with cartoons of question or racist. Warner Brothers had them as did Tom & Jerry and there's a few more I can't remember again checkout Youtube.

 

[Blunt]

Your views on Disney are correct. Checkout YouTube there's loads of "now banned" Disney cartoons that deal with race and propaganda.

As for Disney's last cartoon release it was racist and demeaning many people don't see it. Every princess Disney had created was beautiful surrounded by wealth and associated with only the upper echelon of society, until the princess became one of color. But none of this is new for Disney. Even the Roger Rabbit movie reeked of racism. Take a real close look at those characters you'll see it.

Is Disney the devil in disguise? I say yes but again so many don't see the ills of their productions. Disney's racism is very subtle but its always there.

All I can say is for parents to educate your children. Don't just sit your children down in front of a TV and allow their minds to be poisoned while your chilling with a smoke or drink. Disney continues to promote the pureness and righteousness of being white while other colors are let's just say challenged.

BTW Disney is not the only company with cartoons of question or racist. Warner Brothers had them as did Tom & Jerry and there's a few more I can't remember again checkout Youtube.

Grow up.

 

[actinanass]

Really?

 

[SoopamanLuva]

just watch dumbo.

the damn bird is named jim crow

 

[Blunt]

just watch dumbo.

the damn bird is named jim crow

Disney's cartoons were just a product of their times. No one thought twice about stuff like that back then. They didn't even think some of those popular stereotypes were negative. How is that any worse than rappers and others in the media not thinking twice about calling women "bitches and hos" or insulting gay people regularly TODAY (in the 21st Century!!!). How do you explain THAT level of ignorance in the modern age?

Unenligtened, insensitive "artists" (and people in general) are always gonna be around, unfortunately. Folks should be upset about that shit all across the board, and not just when THEIR own feelings are hurt or they just wanna wallow in self-pity.

 

[melonpecan]

she was a blond at the begining where it's showing the clips with her father
I think her hair is just dirty when when she was a servant

I thought so too, but to me it looks like it's just brown or a blondish red at best. But the blond that's in those pictures? Naw...and you silly with the dirt

BTW Disney is not the only company with cartoons of question or racist. Warner Brothers had them as did Tom & Jerry and there's a few more I can't remember again checkout Youtube.

The Tom & Jerry ones were bad "Out! O - W - T, Out!" I remember being a kid saying to myself 'that's not how you spell out'. It never crossed my mind that there was a cartoon, movie, show, musical, whatever that doesn't have racist undertones...that's fine. I will teach my children real beauty and that this it is not defined by what they see out in the media. They can watch certain things for entertainment and education purposes. But stuff like this make me want to teach a class.

just watch dumbo.

the damn bird is named jim crow

I never noticed that but I have always hated that movie. And Bambii.

Disney's cartoons were just a product of their times. No one thought twice about stuff like that back then.

So you are ok with racism continuously being a product of the times? Even into the 21st century?

 

[Mo-Better]

I thought so too, but to me it looks like it's just brown or a blondish red at best. But the blond that's in those pictures? Naw...and you silly with the dirt



The Tom & Jerry ones were bad "Out! O - W - T, Out!" I remember being a kid saying to myself 'that's not how you spell out'. It never crossed my mind that there was a cartoon, movie, show, musical, whatever that doesn't have racist undertones...that's fine. I will teach my children real beauty and that this it is not defined by what they see out in the media. They can watch certain things for entertainment and education purposes. But stuff like this make me want to teach a class.



I never noticed that but I have always hated that movie. And Bambii.



So you are ok with racism continuously being a product of the times? Even into the 21st century?

Good for you Melon, contrary to what many think what we allow our children to see on TV does effect them. Children need to be taught reality with that comes social awareness.

This country is more divided now than it was prior to the Civil Rights Movement. With the likes of the Glen Beck's, Rush Limbaugh's an even Sarah Palin and their loyal shoe size IQ followers we cannot afford to not educate our children. If we don't educate them they will have no future, Disney and the likes will continue their practice of white supremacy.

 

[melonpecan]

Good for you Melon, contrary to what many think what we allow our children to see on TV does effect them. Children need to be taught reality with that comes social awareness.

This country is more divided now than it was prior to the Civil Rights Movement. With the likes of the Glen Beck's, Rush Limbaugh's an even Sarah Palin and their loyal shoe size IQ followers we cannot afford to not educate our children. If we don't educate them they will have no future, Disney and the likes will continue their practice of white supremacy.

Thanks and you are absolutely right. Parents have to take more active roles in our children's lives. It's making me sick right now cause I'm having a hard time finding clothes for my two year old; she's coming out of the baby section and a lot of clothes in the girls section look like they are meant for fourteen year olds. They don't look like clothes for children just shrunken junior threads. She has already showed me that she sees things differently, (I don't even know if it's because she is a kid, I think it's just her), so I'm just waiting for us to have the conversations about why something is.


I think it is absolutely beautiful though that she know she is 'brown' and that she thinks her skin is beautiful.

 

[Mo-Better]

Thanks and you are absolutely right. Parents have to take more active roles in our children's lives. It's making me sick right now cause I'm having a hard time finding clothes for my two year old; she's coming out of the baby section and a lot of clothes in the girls section look like they are meant for fourteen year olds. They don't look like clothes for children just shrunken junior threads. She has already showed me that she sees things differently, (I don't even know if it's because she is a kid, I think it's just her), so I'm just waiting for us to have the conversations about why something is.


I think it is absolutely beautiful though that she know she is 'brown' and that she thinks her skin is beautiful.

Props to you looks like your putting in that time. Always nice to know someone is teaching positive reinforcement. Its a job we have to succeed at. They have to know who they are and their purpose in life.

 

[sean69]

Disney's cartoons were just a product of their times. No one thought twice about stuff like that back then. They didn't even think some of those popular stereotypes were negative. How is that any worse than rappers and others in the media not thinking twice about calling women "bitches and hos" or insulting gay people regularly TODAY (in the 21st Century!!!). How do you explain THAT level of ignorance in the modern age?

Unenligtened, insensitive "artists" (and people in general) are always gonna be around, unfortunately. Folks should be upset about that shit all across the board, and not just when THEIR own feelings are hurt or they just wanna wallow in self-pity.

Your gimmickry is so fucking predictable man.

"They" being who exactly?

And you wonder why people think you're asshole.

I on the other hand don't. I just think you're an extremely simple minded idiot.

Now, let us, for argument sake, assume that by "they" you meant blacks (because if you meant white people then your psychosis is beyond me).

So, in your peculiar brand of "Bluntian genius", your idea of a sound argument is drawing an analogy between the routine stereotyping of black people in a well established institution of racism under the blanket of white supremacy
... and ... the gratuitous and auspicious use of profanity for the sake of expedient marketing?

I'd like to think that your blunder here is just a simple case of confabulating "mechanism" with "agency" ... but that would be a stretch wouldn't it.

 

[Blunt]

So you are ok with racism continuously being a product of the times? Even into the 21st century?

I'm okay with educating people about the thoughtless racism, sexism, anti-Semitism, and homophobia of the past, without throwing out the baby with the bathwater. You can still appreciate great art and entertainment, even if you cringe at certain antiquated attitudes. It's silly to look at the past through a contemporary prism, especially since many people (including blacks) still haven't advanced that far beyond all those forms of bigotry that I just listed. Try to use what you now know about the past and relate it to today (without being racist yourself).

Given the murder and abuse rate of black women these days, it would seem that there should be far more concern about contemporary images, words and messages in today's popular black media rather than about black crows and dirty hair in some old cartoons.

That's why I'm saying that wallowing in self-pity over past thoughtlessness makes you blind to what's going on now. Just as folks were blind back then. You're no different.

 

[Mo-Better]

No one thought twice about stuff like that back then. They didn't even think some of those popular stereotypes were negative. I can't believe Blunt wrote this.

Contrary to what Blunt (ignore list on my desktop )has stated there is no question the intent of the cartoonist back then. As I said earlier it wasn't just Disney. Hell with Warner Brothers, Elmer Fudd was originally Black and far beyond stupid.

Cartoons were used as propaganda against US enemy's such as the Germans and Japanese and also as a way to assert white supremacy. Don't think for a second the cartoonist back in the day didn't know what they were doing.

To prove a point go to Youtube and query "banned cartoons." I will never understand why some are so willing to give the white man a pass on issues such as this makes no sense. Its not like these cartoons were produced in the 70s.

 

[melonpecan]

I'm okay with educating people about the thoughtless racism, sexism, anti-Semitism, and homophobia of the past, without throwing out the baby with the bathwater. You can still appreciate great art and entertainment, even if you cringe at certain antiquated attitudes. It's silly to look at the past through a contemporary prism, especially since many people (including blacks) still haven't advanced that far beyond all those forms of bigotry that I just listed. Try to use what you now know about the past and relate it to today (without being racist yourself).

Given the murder and abuse rate of black women these days, it would seem that there should be far more concern about contemporary images, words and messages in today's popular black media rather than about black crows and dirty hair in some old cartoons.

That's why I'm saying that wallowing in self-pity over past thoughtlessness makes you blind to what's going on now. Just as folks were blind back then. You're no different.

Wow...if you have that much introspect as to how my mind works I guess I'm not the only one here that's blind.

 

[sean69]

No one thought twice about stuff like that back then. They didn't even think some of those popular stereotypes were negative. I can't believe Blunt wrote this.

I can't believe you can't believe Blunt wrote that.