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U.S.’s $13 Trillion Debt Poised to Overtake GDP: Chart of Day
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By Garfield Reynolds and Wes Goodman

June 4 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama is poised to increase the U.S. debt to a level that exceeds the value of the nation’s annual economic output, a step toward what Bill Gross called a “debt super cycle.”

The CHART OF THE DAY tracks U.S. gross domestic product and the government’s total debt, which rose past $13 trillion for the first time this month. The amount owed will surpass GDP in 2012, based on forecasts by the International Monetary Fund. The lower panel shows U.S. annual GDP growth as tracked by the IMF, which projects the world’s largest economy to expand at a slower pace than the 3.2 percent average during the past five decades.

“Over the long term, interest rates on government debt will likely have to rise to attract investors,” said Hiroki Shimazu, a market economist in Tokyo at Nikko Cordial Securities Inc., a unit of Japan’s third-largest publicly traded bank. “That will be a big burden on the government and the people.”

Gross, who runs the world’s largest mutual fund at Pacific Investment Management Co. in Newport Beach, California, said in his June outlook report that “the debt super cycle trend” suggests U.S. economic growth won’t be enough to support the borrowings “if real interest rates were ever to go up instead of down.”

Dan Fuss, who manages the Loomis Sayles Bond Fund, which beat 94 percent of competitors the past year, said last week that he sold all of his Treasury bonds because of prospects interest rates will rise as the U.S. borrows unprecedented amounts. Obama is borrowing record amounts to fund spending programs to help the economy recover from its longest recession since the 1930s.

“The incremental borrower of funds in the U.S. capital markets is rapidly becoming the U.S. Treasury,” Boston-based Fuss said. “Do you really want to buy the debt of the biggest issuer?”
 
The other viable solution put forth was what again?

1. Lower the capital gains tax
2. Lower taxes on businesses
3. You can't have it both ways, you can't ridicule business owners then rely on them to get us out of this debt
4. Put a cap on unworthy lawsuits.
5. Close the borders
6. Cut entitlements

I can go on and on. Poor people have never driven any economy. The average American is content with other people suppling their needs. The national debt is about to over take the GDP. Please tell me you don't agree with this?

Most of these jobs were government created temporary jobs. The government doesn't produce anything. The private sector pays for government jobs. Not vice versa.
 
1. Lower the capital gains tax
2. Lower taxes on businesses
3. You can't have it both ways, you can't ridicule business owners then rely on them to get us out of this debt
4. Put a cap on unworthy lawsuits.
5. Close the borders
6. Cut entitlements

I can go on and on. Poor people have never driven any economy. The average American is content with other people suppling their needs. The national debt is about to over take the GDP. Please tell me you don't agree with this?

Most of these jobs were government created temporary jobs. The government doesn't produce anything. The private sector pays for government jobs. Not vice versa.

1. Wasn't that already lowered under Bush and didn't expire until this year?
2. Obama did that in the Recovery Act. Small businesses received a tax cut.
3. No one is ridiculing business owners at all.
4. That has a talking point not a solution. Tort reform isn't unreasonable in and of itself but it seems the Republicans seem determined to install extremely low, artificial caps that should not be supported and only hurt working class people who have already been injured.
5. Ridiculous. Closing the borders isn't feasible or viable. If you want to drag immigration reform into this, fine. It's definitely needed but it's a practical impossibility to close thousands of miles of border (even though most people just mean the Mexican border). If it was so easy, why hasn't it already been done?
6. Good idea. But not just the entitlements that go to average Americans but the billions that go in corporate subsidies whether it's Big Farms or Big Pharma.
 
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Next question, when are the republicans going to stop being the party of no and do what they were elected to do and help solve these issues?

NEVER!
 
Well Obama could stop all these military adventures.

But, of course, we wouldn't be safe from all those terrorists that have been attacking the country this year.
 
Ah, why do you think they are attacking us?

Ain't nobody attacking us.

It was a joke.

Obama is wasting hundreds of billions of dollars a year for nothing.

It is just pure folly!

These wars make no sense... not for national security... not for oil... not for corporate profit... not for white supremacy... not for any reason other than to destroy the Federal government.

So, I suppose it's good he is creating so much debt with these wars.

Who knows, maybe Obama will be my hero after all. He is doing everything necessary to destroy the viability of the United States.

Nice.
 
Look at the job numbers prior to a democrat led congress. It started downhill in bush's last year in office.

All these taxes coming to business owners, and you think they are going to invest in An unstable economy ran by you're guys. Pleeeze
 
Well Obama could stop all these military adventures.

But, of course, we wouldn't be safe from all those terrorists that have been attacking the country this year.

Obama can't just stop the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts. That would leave both nations in conditions bordering on anarchy, very similar to the conditions that led to the Taliban taking over Afghanistan. Fortunately, the President we have is a long term thinker unlike the previous one and knows that just walking away recklessly out of those two countries would be worse and we would be right back there.

Look at the job numbers prior to a democrat led congress. It started downhill in bush's last year in office.

All these taxes coming to business owners, and you think they are going to invest in An unstable economy ran by you're guys. Pleeeze


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If the Democratic-controlled Congress passed bills with tax increases, Bush would have vetoed them, as he did many bills passed by that Congress.
 
US Debt to Rise to $19.6 Trillion by 2015

US Debt to Rise to $19.6 Trillion by 2015
Reuters | June 09, 2010 | 04:06 AM EDT

The U.S. debt will top $13.6 trillion this year and climb to an estimated $19.6 trillion by 2015, according to a Treasury Department report to Congress.

The report that was sent to lawmakers Friday night with no fanfare said the ratio of debt to the gross domestic product would rise to 102 percent by 2015 from 93 percent this year.

"The president's economic experts say a 1 percent increase in GDP can create almost 1 million jobs, and that 1 percent is what experts think we are losing because of the debt's massive drag on our economy," said Republican Representative Dave Camp, who publicized the report.

He was referring to recent testimony by University of Maryland Professor Carmen Reinhart to the bipartisan fiscal commission, which was created by President Barack Obama to recommend ways to reduce the deficit, which said debt topping 90 percent of GDP could slow economic growth.

The U.S. debt has grown rapidly with the economic downturn and government spending for the Wall Street bailout, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and the economic stimulus.

The rising debt is contributing to voter unrest ahead of the November congressional elections in which Republicans hope to regain control of Congress.

The total U.S. debt includes obligations to the Social Security retirement program and other government trust funds.

The amount of debt held by investors, which include China and other countries as well as individuals and pension funds, will rise to an estimated $9.1 trillion this year from $7.5 trillion last year.

By 2015 the net public debt will rise to an estimated $14 trillion, with a ratio to GDP of 73 percent, the Treasury report said.

http://cnbc.com/id/37587490
 
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Obama can't just stop the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts.

If it was a mistake to "go in", it is a mistake to stay! The nation can't afford this sh*t. Damn, where is MLK's message of non-violence? :smh:

Fortunately, the President we have is a long term thinker unlike the previous one and knows that just walking away recklessly out of those two countries would be worse and we would be right back there.

Stay the course!
 
We've already just abandoned Afghanistan before and it became a terrorist haven.
To me, the mistake wasn't going in to Afghanistan but not smashing the Taliban when we had a clear advantage. Instead the sitting President decided to go after Saddam Hussein and diverted the resources necessary to finish the job.

Iraq was a total mistake since it's just emboldened Iran by taking out a major neutralizer to Iranian power, Hussein. But even there, it would be a mistake to just pull out. Bush started and Obama has continued a troop drawdown but the idea that we should just leave would end up costing more money and more lives later when we have to go back. Short term thinking at the end of WWI is why there was a WWII. How many times do we have to make the same mistake before people decide to try something else.
 
Lower defense spending and exit both Iraq and Afghanistan...At some point you must realize you bumping your head against a wall...We shall allow Iraqis and Afghans to rebuild their nations so we can attend to ours????...Our foreign policy depletes our resources far more than so called entitlements....Unemployment, health care and welfare....Seriously 700 billion yearly goes to the defense budget not including the wars we are waging in two countries not including defense research or black ops in 20 plus countries...
 
And Afghanistan was a mistake because the Taliban never attacked the United States....
 
And Afghanistan was a mistake because the Taliban never attacked the United States....

No but they housed the people that did (if you want to argue that, go to the other thread). The appropriate response was not "do nothing". Poor execution does not make an original idea or plan bad.
 
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