Texans pay more in taxes than Californians, according to data

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Those coming to Texas for a tax break may want to turn around if they are not in the top 1 percent of earners.

A recent post on Reddit's main economic forum included a 2018 graphic that shows Texans pay more taxes than Californians unless they are in the top 1 percent. The post is one of the highest-rated in the last month on the social media platform. It is unclear why the post was shared now.

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The graphic is of data from the sixth edition of the Institute of Taxation and Economic Policy's "Who Pays" series, which tracks tax data for all 50 states and Washington, D.C. The last time the nonprofit released data was in 2018, but it is expected to release updated findings later this year.

Texans in the bottom 20 percent of income earners — those earning less than $20,900 — pay 13 percent of their income in state and local taxes, while those in the top 1 percent of income earners — those earning $617,900 or more — pay only 3.1 percent.

In California, the bottom 20 percent of income earners — those earning less than $23,200 — pay 10.5 percent in state and local taxes, while the top 1 percent — those earning $714,400 or more — pay 12.4 percent.


Texas was the second-most regressive tax state, behind only Washington. Low-income taxpayers bear a disproportionate share of the tax burden in those states, according to the nonprofit. California, meanwhile, is the most progressive tax state because people in higher tax brackets pay higher tax rates.

"Every state has some regressive taxes on the books," said Carl Davis, a research director at the nonprofit. "Whether that be sales tax, motor fuel tax, tobacco tax, even property tax is somewhat regressive."

However, unlike other states, Texas has no "progressive counterbalance," Davis said, because there is no state income tax.

Robert Peroni, a tax professor at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law, noted that the "Who Pays" series appears to base its results on real-world data and policy. Nothing substantial has changed in the state tax-wise since 2018, Peroni said. However, all think tanks have their own viewpoints, with the nonprofit leaning liberal, Peroni added.

For its data, the nonprofit relied on IRS income tax data, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics' Consumer Expenditure Survey, sales tax data and property tax data from sources like the Census Bureau, Davis said.

Despite Texas' reputation as a "low-tax, low-government state," Peroni said most of its residents are high-taxed. States with income taxes do more to lower inequality, according to Peroni.

"We don't have that; we've never had it, as far as I know," Peroni said of a state income tax. "That makes it very hard to solve this inequality problem. When they say Texas is a very regressive state, it means if you're low income, you spend 100 percent of it, you spend it. Some of it is tax-exempt, but most of that spending is taxed by sales tax."

Peroni said there doesn't seem to be a politician or political party in the state willing to propose a state income tax.

"State income tax seems to be a third rail politically in Texas and is rarely proposed even by the most liberal politicians," Peroni said. "It makes it very hard to change the structure."
 
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Now what does the average person pay? I’m not in the the bottom or the top brackets. If you’re making less than $21K, then a 3% difference matters on your income, but what’s being paid in the middle where most people are?
Also non of this has much to do with your cost of living. CA still has higher cost of living period. I’d rather pay 3% more taxes on my income with $1000 rent than $3000 rent with some savings on my paycheck.
 
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LOL all those idiots that fled California for a McMansion didn’t factor in all the property taxes in Texas . Once you’re in that big ass house then what? You bored as fuck. I spend 90% of my time out doors in the city or on vacation. Enjoy that big house in shitty ass hick ville
 
Now what does the average person pay? I’m not in the the bottom or the top brackets. If you’re making less than $21K, then a 3% difference matters on your income, but what’s being paid in the middle where most people are?
Also non of this has much to do with your cost of living. CA still has higher cost of living period. I’d rather pay 3% more taxes on my income with $1000 rent than $3000 rent with some savings on my paycheck.

most people think they're in the "middle" - data says that isn't true
 
When most of these idiots hear that a state has no income tax they think they’re getting over on the state government. Not knowing the state has to find some other sources of revenue. I’d rather pay a state income tax than being nickeled and dimed over everything from tolls and high property taxes each year. These fools will looking to move to Florida next because of their no state income tax.
 
most people think they're in the "middle" - data says that isn't true
I guess, but none this tax bracket talk matters to most people outside of the higher brackets and Cali is still higher than Texas in that realm. The same dollar goes farther in Texas than Cali regardless of tax bracket.
 
When most of these idiots hear that a state has no income tax they think they’re getting over on the state government. Not knowing the state has to find some other sources of revenue. I’d rather pay a state income tax than being nickeled and dimed over everything from tolls and high property taxes each year. These fools will looking to move to Florida next because of their no state income tax.
Florida is retarded with all those toll booths.
 
Florida is retarded with all those toll booths.
Man, coming from NYC I’m used to paying a toll when you cross a bridge or use tunnel. Not Florida. Outside of I95 and other interstate highways those are the only major roads with out tolls. Took the fam to Disney World driving down a few years back and man I swear Orlando Florida has a toll booth less than every mile. I said Never again, fuck Florida.
 
Man, coming from NYC I’m used to paying a toll when you cross a bridge or use tunnel. Not Florida. Outside of I95 and other interstate highways those are the only major roads with out tolls. Took the fam to Disney World driving down a few years back and man I swear Orlando Florida has a toll booth less than every mile. I said Never again, fuck Florida.
I’m saying, I’m from Jersey and lived in Queens for years. We ain’t got shit on Florida
 
LOL all those idiots that fled California for a McMansion didn’t factor in all the property taxes in Texas . Once you’re in that big ass house then what? You bored as fuck. I spend 90% of my time out doors in the city or on vacation. Enjoy that big house in shitty ass hick ville
:roflmao3:
 
Man, coming from NYC I’m used to paying a toll when you cross a bridge or use tunnel. Not Florida. Outside of I95 and other interstate highways those are the only major roads with out tolls. Took the fam to Disney World driving down a few years back and man I swear Orlando Florida has a toll booth less than every mile. I said Never again, fuck Florida.
Last time i went covid had just jumped off. Them bitches were empty :lol:
 
yall gettin caught up in the mind fuckery

the real story here is..

How the top one percent in Texas, made their taxes even lower,

by pimping the system, and having the lower classes pick up the tab..

then have articles like this written to mind fuck the masses into

what really happend!!!

economic class warfare... just cover it up with mind fuckery and the lower class

wont know what hit em.
 
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When most of these idiots hear that a state has no income tax they think they’re getting over on the state government. Not knowing the state has to find some other sources of revenue. I’d rather pay a state income tax than being nickeled and dimed over everything from tolls and high property taxes each year. These fools will looking to move to Florida next because of their no state income tax.
Delaware taught me a lesson.
 
January 9, 2025

I Will Pay Any Amount to Not Pay My Taxes​

by Andrew Singleton



I’ve gotten myself into a bit of a jam. A series of natural disasters is barreling towards my home, and there is a severe shortage of resources and trained professionals available in my community to help me stave them off. So, I am putting out a call for any available public service personnel to help me protect my property. I’m willing to pay literally any amount of money, just so long as I don’t have to pay a fixed, reasonable amount of money in taxes regularly.
Look, I will give you the full balance of my Robinhood account. Money is no object. Unless, of course, that money will be added to a pool of community funds that would then be used to pay for the services I’m currently requesting. In that case, money is the only object. After all, why should I pay a small amount to help myself and my community when I can pay an exorbitant amount just to help myself? Taxation is theft, but price gouging is just good business. So gouge me all you want. Just don’t trample my freedoms by taxing me.

Seriously, I don’t care how much it costs. Take every dime I have. But know this: I would level my house to the ground before I paid slightly higher property taxes to fund infrastructure that would prevent a landslide from leveling my house to the ground.
You might be questioning the economics of my position. You might say that it would be more financially beneficial for me to simply make regular contributions to a governing body that sets up services for myself and my neighbors. That by combining resources with my fellow citizens, I would get the same help I now desperately need for a fraction of the cost. And you’re probably correct. But the truth is, it’s not about the money. You see, taxes are an implicit acknowledgment that I exist within society and not above it. That my fate is tethered to the fate of humanity at large. That I am not the special little boy I’ve always believed myself to be.
I will pay anything to deny this reality, even if it makes me objectively worse off. That’s why I’ll give up everything I own to save my home, and absolutely nothing to save both my home and the homes of my neighbors.
And before you ask, yes, I believe this holds true for all of our, or more accurately, all of MY biggest problems. Why use tax dollars to fund public health research when, in the event of a pandemic, I can just spend millions building myself a hermetically sealed chamber? Why pay a modest transportation tax to build a subway system when I can throw billions of investor dollars at a high-tech underground network of tunnels that is definitely not in any way just a glorified subway system for rich people? Why pay a carbon tax to offset climate change when I can simply buy a new, completely uninsurable megamansion after each inevitable disaster?
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I’m even investing in my own personal asteroid defense system for if/when a giant meteor threatens to strike. I just have to figure out how to save the planet for myself without also saving it for everyone else. Otherwise, that would be collectivism, which is basically what taxation is all about.
Oh lord, my home is about to be swept away in a flood. Can you all help me? Please?
 
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