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I'm not totally buying into this whole terror plot........ simply because the Bush administration is set to present amendments to the war crimes act.......to cover
some or all of their asses........ If the whole world is focused on a new terror threat......... it will pass untouched by the media outlets.....



By Pete Yost
ASSOCIATED PRESS
5:11 p.m. August 9, 2006


WASHINGTON – The Bush administration drafted amendments to the War Crimes Act that would retroactively protect policymakers from possible criminal charges for authorizing any humiliating and degrading treatment of detainees, according to lawyers who have seen the proposal.

The move by the administration is the latest effort to deal with treatment of those taken into custody in the war on terror.


At issue are interrogations carried out by the CIA, and the degree to which harsh tactics such as water-boarding were authorized by administration officials. A separate law, the Uniform Code of Military Justice, applies to the military.

The Washington Post first reported on the War Crimes Act amendments Wednesday.

One section of the draft would outlaw torture and inhuman or cruel treatment, but it does not contain prohibitions from Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions against “outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment.” A copy of the section of the draft was obtained by The Associated Press.

Another section would apply the legislation retroactively, according to two lawyers who have seen the contents of the section and who spoke on condition of anonymity because their sources did not authorize them to release the information.

One of the two attorneys said that the draft is in the revision stage but that the administration seems intent on pushing forward the draft's major points in Congress after Labor Day.

“I think what this bill can do is in effect immunize past crimes. That's why it's so dangerous,” said a third attorney, Eugene Fidell, president of the National Institute of Military Justice.

Fidell said the initiative is “not just protection of political appointees, but also CIA personnel who led interrogations.”

Interrogation practices “follow from policies that were formed at the highest levels of the administration,” said a fourth attorney, Scott Horton, who has followed detainee issues closely. “The administration is trying to insulate policymakers under the War Crimes Act.”

The Bush administration contends Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions includes a number of vague terms that are susceptible to different interpretations.

Extreme interrogation practices have been a flash point for criticism of the administration.

When interrogators engage in waterboarding, prisoners are strapped to a plank and dunked in water until nearly drowning.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said Congress “is aware of the dilemma we face, how to make sure the CIA and others are not unfairly prosecuted.”

He said that at the same time, Congress “will not allow political appointees to waive the law.”

Larry Cox, Amnesty International USA's executive director, said that “President Bush is looking to limit the War Crimes Act through legislation” now that the Supreme Court has embraced Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions. In June, the court ruled that Bush's plan to try Guantanamo Bay detainees in military tribunals violates Article 3.


Crime by Bush and his cronies...... :hmm:

A document released ... by the American Civil Liberties Union suggests that President Bush issued an Executive Order authorizing the use of inhumane interrogation methods against detainees in Iraq. Also released by the ACLU today are a slew of other records including a December 2003 FBI e-mail that characterizes methods used by the Defense Department as "torture" and a June 2004 "Urgent Report" to the Director of the FBI that raises concerns that abuse of detainees is being covered up. [ACLU]

"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted." -- 8th Amendment to the US Constitution.

President Bush has acted illegally in signing an order authorizing the use of torture.

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Its OK in my book to oppose George Bush, I don't like him either. But, it troubles me when people dispense with common sense and what appears to be objective facts, just to throw a brick at someone pretty much already discredited.
 
Its true he is discredited..........bush and his whole administration........but I feel its a matter of accountability now.......He is clearly covering his tracks, and keeping those close to his circle of money out of harms way........ In short terms..........WHO is gonna take the weight?? :confused:
 
Your statement was to the effect that "this whole terror plot" business is somehow a smokescreen or pretext engineered to take attention away from amendments to the War Crimes Act. I wouldn't argue against the conclusion that the Administration needs something, anything, to give it a boost -- but arguing that the discovery of the "Plot" is a ploy timed to assist Bush just seems preposterous, to me.

QueEx
 
Que, not the discovery but the announcement of the plot.

We all know from israel and iraq terror plots don't need to just be done against travel.......they need to create fear everywhere.

this is a well timed annoncement which they could have kept to themselves, why not announce the other ones they foiled?

Please, if arabs or pakastanis were blowing themselves up at markets around america even I would believe the gov's shit. As long as it is only 9/11 type shit it seems bullshit and to be used to further more facist goals by using scare tactics.

Shannon or steve baldwim should do the next 'we foiled a terror plot ' speech.

Maybe save it for asston cootcher and say............u been punked!!!

Perfect timed press release, confiscate my aquafina while its one thousand ak's they can by up in the NO and go create real terror.

We all know since we been trained terror only strikes airports and trainstations.

Please, iraqis and israis wish so called terrorists only did these three stooge type gigs urged on by governement informants.

5 years and I can't count 20 individual arabs blowing up shit or gunning down shit in america and all I get is 'groups' and travel. Red and yella.

Media is a muthafucka a politicians know how to use it since media is the ones who pay millions to get the politicians paid thousands.

Math is math, why invest millions for thousands if you don't get yo money back?

Well timed release. Most arabs and muslims are not fanatics, so you need this fear to keep the myth of the boogeyman going.

Find me 10 suicide bombers in america executing INDIVIDUAL plots in 2 years and we might have a problem.

Until then keep giving me press releases and color codes.........and the they hate freedom banter to follow.

Let me put my john hancock on one of those bunker busting bombs you shipping to israel while you complaining bout this shit.
 
I don't know gene, I "try" to keep my objectivity. From what I've read, it seems to me the matter was made public because of what appeared to be a legitmate concern that planning had reached a critical stage where some of the planners could have gone operational. I try to read between the lines, extract the opinion, and glean what "facts" I can from all thats being written and said. Looks to me like this was a genuine plan and that it was time to tell the public -- otherwise, if someone had been killed or injured, people would be saying "them mofo's knew in advance shit was going down" but wouldn't tell the public because the big cats had a monetary interest in not telling .... yada, yada, yada (you know the drill).

Assuming the events are real, the details had to come out some time and no matter when that "some time" is, there will <u>always</u> be something going on in the world/U.S. that some one could say: the details are being released now to have an affect on this ... or that. On the other hand, I do recall we in the U.S. went through a lot of color coded warnings a while back that had the flavor of scaring people.

BTW, I agree: all Muslims are not terrorist and not all terrorists are Muslims. But, those Muslims who are terrorists seem to be serious about their terrorism.

QueEx
 
QueEx said:
On the other hand, I do recall we in the U.S. went through a lot of color coded warnings a while back that had the flavor of scaring people.

Talk radio hosts are talking about color codes right now and with security being heightened within the US, fear is a current issue.
 
oneofmany said:
Talk radio hosts are talking about color codes right now and with security being heightened within the US, fear is a current issue.
Some things should be feared -- or at least respected.

QueEx
 
ok here's what I got.

The united states pushed england to make the arrests earlier then england wanted.

They say they have no hard evidence....explosives, weapons, blueprints.

They say this is a prosecuters nightmare.

hahah They better have the RICO act in england cause at best they have conspiracy. Que knows more bout that then but but I always thought conspiracy was easy to prove.

4 of them in a room......conspiracy right?

Anyway why would america push theM to arrest them now when the people investigating and know what's going on said.......WE AINT READY YET!!!!
 
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